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00:00I don't need to be in a box. If this makes me not a lesbian, I don't care because I'm still
00:03married to Jen. And at the minute of the day, I'd rather be Miss Spinner than a lesbian.
00:13Bronwyn and Jennifer Spinner, we're so excited to have you in studio in New York City. It's been
00:18a long time coming, I feel like. I know. I've missed you since you moved from LA. I know. It's
00:23been a while. I do love the Fitz are kind of bringing the yeehaw to New York. Yeah, because
00:27y'all moved to Tennessee. Wherever we go, we bring the fringe. We bring the bling.
00:33We take a little piece at home wherever we go. I love it. How are we doing?
00:36I love Nashville. Yeah. Jennifer, are we loving Nashville?
00:44Yeah. No, I love Nashville.
00:47And only Nashville. So we unfortunately do not live
00:51in Nashville. We're like 20 minutes outside in a very conservative little town.
00:55Gotcha. Great schools. All right. Very conservative.
00:59Are they great? They're great. And how
01:01are the schools
01:03with having
01:05queer, like parents and
01:07kids in the middle? You know what I mean? Not great.
01:09Well, no. The school that our kids
01:11are at right now, okay, the school that
01:13the girls are at right now,
01:15their principal is great.
01:17Yeah. However, the
01:19parents are not
01:21great. There was a
01:22there is a trans student there and
01:25the moms of
01:26who seven, who seven. They
01:27docked her home address, phone number.
01:29I mean, oh, there's a lot of things that we have to deal with. But
01:34we heard a story the other day that makes everything worth it
01:37with Chris. We did.
01:39We did. So there was this woman.
01:41Yes. Yes. And she was sitting in the parking lot of Target in Franklin. She was about to kill herself. She came out later in life. She was 53. She didn't see a path forward living, you know, a queer life. And she had come up with the place, the time, everything. And she walked into Target. And the first thing she saw was you and I. And I guess we were just being ourselves. We were hugging. She kissed my cheek.
02:01And she she didn't know anything about the show I used to be on or anything like that. She just saw two queer women in Target and Franklin. And that gave her the strength to keep going. And we ran into her because Franklin Pride has a mixer every Monday or every Sunday, every other once a month. Second thing I confused that. And so we ran into her. And so those stories make it so that I know we need to be where we are.
02:26Yeah. And also, I love, too, that for that woman, too, that she was able to feel get so comfortable. She's going to like Pride events and everything, too. You know what I mean? And like to find more of a community.
02:34And Franklin Pride, I will say, is on the board, is what kept me in Franklin, where we live. We fight an uphill battle with the city, but we really do try. And like a lot of the people on the board are not queer, which I think is amazing that they're putting themselves on the line to do this.
02:56And so that has been a saving grace. There are definitely, you know, queer kids kind of flock to our house.
03:03Yeah. But Bronwyn has a much easier time.
03:06I'm very straight presenting, so I have a much easier time. No one has ever run up to me on the street quoting Bible verses and tell me I'm going to hell.
03:14Sadly, this does happen to her. And even worse is when it happens with the kids. Caden's cried a few times.
03:19Well, Caden's like, Jen, I think that's because you're gay. And I'm like, it's not.
03:23And then two minutes later, the guy was like, Adam and Eve were created.
03:28And Caden goes, so now I know what's going to do.
03:33And how do you handle that? How do you process that? How do you deal with that when that happens?
03:38I mean, well, the first thing when it's actually happening, like the kids' safety is my number one.
03:43And so that's always like more than fighting back. That's my concern when I have the kids with me.
03:50But usually, you know, when we get in the car, get in a store, like I'll just explain to them that everyone interprets religion differently.
03:58And that, you know, the religion that we believe in and the God that we believe in does not support behavior like that.
04:06And so I try to just give them skills to learn how to like process it in their own right and then kind of find the tools that we've given to them to kind of invalidate it however they're going to want to.
04:20Because my initial tactic was pretending that it was like very few and far between.
04:27But it happens so often that that's not, you know, we have a very queer family, like the kids.
04:35I mean, I think we have every letter of the alphabet in our family.
04:38So they're pretty, you know, they've grown up with this.
04:41They have a pretty strong sense of identity, but it does hurt, especially Caden.
04:44He's very sensitive. It does make him cry.
04:46And I'm curious, speaking of just like identity and how to be interpreted and perceived and everything.
04:52I know you recently had top surgery.
04:53I did.
04:54Is that part of...
04:55No more.
04:57I know.
04:57But I kind of was wondering, is that, was that something you were thinking of for a while and what inspired it and why now, you know?
05:03Yeah, it is.
05:05It's something that...
05:0615 years.
05:08At least.
05:09Yeah.
05:09So I was naturally very small chested.
05:13Yeah.
05:13And then like just hormonal fluctuations throughout my life.
05:18Like they've, my chest had gotten bigger, gotten smaller, and I would say about a year ago.
05:25And so I was never, when they were bigger, I was never comfortable.
05:28And it was like a constant anxiety.
05:30And then about a year ago, they got a lot bigger.
05:34Like I think two sizes they grew.
05:36I mean, they were still small, but they were uncomfortable for you.
05:39Yeah.
05:39And so it, it was becoming unbearable.
05:43And I was thinking of coming to New York and I thankfully decided to look at providers in Tennessee because, well, first of all, Bronwyn was so supportive and probably the only partner I've had who was just like, she was even on me.
06:00Like, Jen, did you make the appointment?
06:02You keep talking about this.
06:03Like it's, it's like there were days on vacation where I didn't want to go outside.
06:07Like it was just getting to be too much.
06:11And I went to like a major university in, in Nashville.
06:17And you did ask if we could say their name or give, you know, a shout out to any of the providers.
06:21And they respectfully asked us not to because they had to move and buy their homes under LLCs because they were getting doxxed.
06:28For, because they're performing surgeries like this.
06:30Was it hard to find a provider to do the surgery in a conservative state?
06:35Okay, so it's funny because the provider and I both had the same fear.
06:39So I went online, just read it.
06:43And where you should go for all medical.
06:45It always ends up there.
06:46Yeah, you know what I mean?
06:47Yeah.
06:47So after going through some inappropriate searches, I found a list of three providers in Tennessee that performed gender affirming care.
07:00I then like went kind of on all of their sites and saw like, is this person using language where I believe that they're actually performing this care?
07:09I landed on this provider.
07:11I didn't know this, but they always go through a telehealth screening process first because they've had people come in with intentions to cause harm to the providers.
07:21Oh my gosh.
07:22I didn't know this, me being just me, I'm like, oh, I should just go into their office.
07:28So I made an appointment.
07:30He didn't know what it was for because I had put a different code on, because I was also, I had anxiety.
07:39And so I got into the office not knowing if this was going to be kind of a falsely entrapping environment or if it was actually gender affirming care.
07:48He was nervous because you didn't do the telehealth.
07:51I wasn't screened.
07:52Oh.
07:53And so once we got over that, well, the rest of the appointment was also ridiculous.
07:57But he didn't have a sense of humor.
08:01He asked her what kind of nipples she wanted.
08:03I've never thought about my nipples.
08:04This is not like, I mean, it's just not a part of my body where I've given a lot of plastic surgery thoughts.
08:11So he said.
08:12Do you want athletic nipples?
08:13Well, he said, what nipple do you want?
08:15And I'm going through a book and I'm like, well, I don't want athletic nipples.
08:18And he was like, well, then I need to know what nipple you want.
08:21And I'm like, I don't know, a nipple that likes Netflix and Rotary and like a good barbecue sandwich.
08:29He was like, yeah, you're going to go need to have to go talk to my other provider.
08:32Because I don't know what that means.
08:34I got to design them though.
08:35Oh.
08:36I did.
08:37I'm going to set that on my recipe now.
08:39I'm a nipple designer.
08:40If you ever need help.
08:41So much worse than a couple's tattoo.
08:43Like if God forbid we ever broke up, I would have to say like, I'm so sorry, but these are
08:47wrong ones.
08:47These are my nipples.
08:49And so how are you feeling close up?
08:50Are you so happy?
08:52Like it was an immediate.
08:55I was nervous going in because it is, it's a surgery I've dreamed about.
09:00But you never know what, like, you're going to wake up feeling.
09:04She's a big Googler too.
09:06Like when I'm making something done, I don't Google anything.
09:08I looked up everything that could go wrong.
09:09She looked up everything.
09:10I don't want to know.
09:10Me neither.
09:11I don't want to know either.
09:12Because I go under, I wake up, I hope, and then something's got, yeah.
09:15I don't ever want to Google anything I'm about to do.
09:17I don't want to know anything that's happening.
09:18I just want to wake up and be like, it's done.
09:20Yep.
09:20I had every question and every bad result in my head.
09:25And I woke up and it was an immediate, well, first I needed a lot of drugs because it didn't
09:30hurt.
09:30Oh, yes.
09:31But after the drugs, it was an immediate relief.
09:36Like I feel so much more, even we've done this walk a million times from downtown to here.
09:43And normally I'm like fixing my jacket so that it covers my chest or I'm like moving my backpack
09:49so that it doesn't like pull on to make it look more exposed.
09:54I've noticed a very big shift in your confidence.
09:57So I was so comfortable.
09:59I just walked through the street.
10:00I noticed the change in her.
10:02She has more confidence.
10:03She's more in her own power.
10:05I've noticed a drastic market, market change in you.
10:09And for people who, cause you said it was 15 years you've wanted it.
10:12It's been at least, yeah.
10:14And Googling everything, I'm sure you got in your head a lot and you're like, oh, maybe
10:17I don't want to do it.
10:17For anybody that is like, maybe like considering a surgery like it and they're like always going
10:22back and forth, like, I don't know, what advice would you give to them?
10:26I mean, I would encourage them to talk to other people that have had similar surgeries,
10:33but also to just trust that their intuition about their bodies are correct.
10:39But there are a lot of people in my life throughout those 15 years who tried to convince me that
10:45this was something that was going to be mutilating or that I would regret it forever.
10:50And I'm so anxious that I was like, well, I don't want to take that risk, but I needed
10:56to trust my own intuition about what my body should and, and could look like.
11:01And so that would be my number one because every other voice that was going on in the
11:06room, I needed to learn how to tune those out decades ago and I would have been so much
11:12happier.
11:13Are there any, is there anyone in your orbit who didn't support this decision?
11:17Obviously you had Bronwyn to support you, but is there anyone who was like a little bit,
11:21Jen, don't do this.
11:22And it's not the people you would expect.
11:24Yeah.
11:24So my family has been phenomenal.
11:26I mean, true to form, they're all very just like, they're Long Island.
11:32They are loud and opinionated.
11:34They will rip you a new one, but they do it with such a love.
11:37Like I went home yesterday and something dropped and I was, ah, my chest, like it dropped on
11:42my chest.
11:42And my stepmom's like, well, you just got your tits cut off.
11:45Yeah, it's going to hurt.
11:47Okay.
11:48It's like the opposite of medical talk.
11:49It's like, yeah, but my family, you know, all of them kept repeating to me.
11:54There's no judgment here.
11:55We're going to have questions.
11:56We might have reactions, but it's all love.
11:59You never need to feel judged.
12:01Some of my friends who are queer live in New York and LA, have a ton of friends that are
12:09drag queens all over the map, gender wise.
12:13They were the ones that had the hardest time with it.
12:15Wow.
12:16What were their, like, maybe not hesitate.
12:18What was their issue?
12:20Yeah.
12:20But Spinner, you're not trans.
12:22And I was like, well, I'm non-binary.
12:26I don't want to transition to male, but that isn't a qualifier.
12:32And I think there's a lot of gray area that, especially with everything that's going on
12:35politically right now, it's like, well, are you trans?
12:37No.
12:37Then why do you need to do this?
12:38And I think the thing that I love about her story and that's so beautiful is there,
12:42gender is a spectrum.
12:43Right.
12:44You don't have to be transitioning to the opposite gender to feel more like yourself.
12:48Right.
12:49And also, it's a thing, too.
12:50A lot of people get surgeries to feel more like themselves in a wide range of things,
12:56too.
12:57I mean, my boobs are fake.
12:58I got them bigger.
12:59That's gender affirming care.
13:00Right.
13:00No one gave me a hard time.
13:01Yeah.
13:01Well, that's, I mean, that's what, I mean, I don't know that I have been using that argument
13:06and then sometimes I'm like, why am I, why is that the argument I'm using?
13:10But I said to one of my friends, but you have literally told me that you wish that I would
13:16get larger breasts.
13:19Oh, your friend asked it?
13:20Yeah.
13:20And because you like, like, you just thought it would be fun for me to do that.
13:25But, but this is the thing, like, what's the, there isn't a difference.
13:29Like, they're both cosmetic surgery to change the way that my chest was.
13:32And to make you, or both would be to make you feel more yourself in time.
13:35Exactly.
13:36Yeah.
13:36You know, I got mine done after I had children because they had changed so dramatically to
13:40make me feel more like how I wanted to feel on the inside and the outside to match.
13:44And that's really what you did.
13:46But the kids have been, I was worried, especially our sever, I don't want to say are, like, it's
13:51not Sean's, but like our collective communal seven-year-old.
13:55Um, she struggles with gender stuff with other people, um, which I think is just probably
14:03a reaction to, like, everything has changed in her life.
14:06So, so I was nervous to say, you know, Hazy, like, I'm, you know, in two days, like, my chest
14:14is going to look like daddy's.
14:16Um, which is creepy that I said it that way, but I did say it that way.
14:20Well, probably easy for her to understand that.
14:23Yeah, like, I did.
14:23Well, because it's hard to have, like, seven, like, you're like, what language, because
14:26you don't want to be too medical.
14:27And I didn't want to pull up those right photos.
14:29This is language, because one of my children is trans, and the way that she refers to them
14:34is, it's not great.
14:35It's not great.
14:36But, um, like, not by, but she's seven.
14:38Yeah.
14:39And we got to give her a passport.
14:40But, so, you know, I was nervous to tell her, and she and Koa, both, their reaction immediately
14:46was, like, I don't care, but when can you make dinner again?
14:51Yeah.
14:52That's the best answer.
14:52That was literally, when can you feed us?
14:54Because they won't eat my cooking anymore, because she's so much better.
14:56I had to freeze a month's worth of baked ziti and macaroni and cheese, because they will
15:01not eat anything that we're having anymore.
15:03Oh, wow.
15:04Oh, my God.
15:05I'm secretly, not even secretly.
15:05Wait, that's actually kind of amazing.
15:07I love it.
15:07Yeah, because now you don't have to cook.
15:09I don't have to eat dinner anymore.
15:09It's beautiful.
15:10That's beautiful.
15:11Not great for you, but, yeah.
15:12I've been making macaroni and cheese for 25 years now.
15:15The fact that I don't have to make it anymore is...
15:16Oh, yeah.
15:17Freeing.
15:17Blissful.
15:18Jennifer, you were saying that you identify as non-binary.
15:21Yeah.
15:22What are your pronouns?
15:23So, I use she, her.
15:25I mean, the way that I describe it is, like, I've never been uncomfortable with she, her.
15:29I'm also very lazy, and changing my pronouns feels like a lot of external labor.
15:36So, but when I, I've always been comfortable being read as female.
15:43But when I think of myself, and this has been since I was, my first memories, I would always
15:50think of myself as male.
15:53And it's not like I wanted to be a man, but I always identified with, like, the masculinity
15:58and, like, Disney characters.
16:01Almost every photo of me growing up is, like, me in a starter jacket.
16:07And I look completely male, except that I have long hair, which I guess could also be male.
16:13But, yeah, I mean, you know, my sister in Aladdin, she, problematic movie, but she wanted
16:20to be Jasmine, I was always Aladdin, sometimes I was the genie.
16:25So, but never, like, and that was, my parents were always so, they never pushed anything
16:32else on me.
16:33Yeah.
16:33So, I never had to view myself in any other way.
16:36And you never had to, like, make a definitive decision.
16:39Ever.
16:39Which is such a blessing, because then you were just able to grow as yourself.
16:42Be yourself.
16:42And it wasn't until college that I realized this was weird, because when I went to college
16:50was right around when there was a lot of problematic discourse in the lesbian community around, we're
16:58losing all of our butches to, they're now all trans men, and there was a lot of transphobia
17:02within the lesbian community.
17:05Someone argues still exists.
17:07Okay.
17:08And it does.
17:09But, so, I started to have to choose, like, am I a trans man, or am I a more masculine
17:17presenting lesbian, and the other off shit, like, going to that extreme felt inauthentic.
17:23But living in this, like, kind of, well, I'm telling you that I view myself as female, but
17:30that isn't actually what goes on in the conversations in my head, also felt inauthentic.
17:35So, having new language with, like, the younger generation, really pushing for these, you
17:41know, breaking these labels has been so great, because people can finally have, like, guidelines
17:47to put me in.
17:49Good job, Jinzy.
17:50Right.
17:51Yes.
17:51That's for Jinzy.
17:53Okay.
17:54Oh, my God.
17:56I do love that, and it's so nice that you have a partner like Bronwyn, who is so supportive
18:00and understands it, like, fully and completely.
18:02Yeah, she's been, I want her to feel herself and be as comfortable as she can, because I
18:07love her for her.
18:10It's not the outside that I love, it's the inside.
18:12Well, and I was worried, because, like, a lot of the hate that we've been getting on,
18:18well, I have been getting on Instagram has been...
18:21For this surgery?
18:22This surgery has been, like, I mean, great for engagement, horrible for my mental engagement.
18:29We talked about it, and I said, do you want to talk about this publicly?
18:31Because we were a little scared to put it all out there.
18:34Well, I would not do it.
18:35She wanted to start documenting the process, and I was like, I don't want the hospital to
18:39get nervous and say no, I don't want the insurance company to not approve it.
18:43Yeah.
18:43But then I said, after the fact, now that everything's gone well, and, you know, insurance
18:46covered it, we should talk about it, because I'm sure there's a lot of people that would
18:51love to hear the story that it's going to help.
18:53And I'm a big believer, you know, with sobriety and other things, I'm a big believer in sharing
18:57your truths, because it helps people.
18:59Oh, totally.
19:00You know, that is our truth.
19:01That is how we help others.
19:02Right.
19:03So she did, but her Instagram is always very happy.
19:06It's her friends, it's her family.
19:07I don't know if it's happy.
19:08It's just, like, you don't usually get...
19:11Face-level pessimistic.
19:13I'm used to getting horrible comments.
19:15Like, for me...
19:15Oh, you mean comments-wise?
19:16Yes.
19:17Yeah.
19:17I'm used to it.
19:18She is not.
19:19So I think, at first, it was a little bit hurtful.
19:20Like, should I not have posted it?
19:21I said, no, of course you should have posted that, because if you help one person, it
19:24was worth it.
19:25Well, people were getting very personal.
19:28They were, like, telling me that I was mentally ill, that I, you know, should die, and that
19:34they hope the surgery gets infected, and then...
19:37So specific, too.
19:38What the hell?
19:39Yeah, I was like, that's, like, a very specific call-out.
19:41So I'm both flattered that you spent the time to think about this.
19:44The best one was this woman was commenting nonstop about how Bronwyn was now not gay.
19:54And she, and so I finally was, like, as a straight woman, you're spending a lot of time
19:59thinking about and obsessing about my body, so you might actually want to, like, think
20:04about, are you queer?
20:05Yeah.
20:06That ended that.
20:07Okay.
20:08All right.
20:08Like, people were commenting, the number one comment was, does this make, well, that
20:14was number two, but number one was, does this make Bronwyn, like, why couldn't she have
20:19just stayed with Sean?
20:21And first of all, Sean's physical body was definitely, like, number 87 on the list of
20:26why they're not together.
20:28Yeah.
20:28But...
20:29That was very low.
20:29Also, like, that, yeah, yeah, it wasn't, like, it was, that's, trust me, I wish it was
20:36just that, then they would be friends.
20:37But, um, I mean, Bronwyn's identity is a huge reason of why it took me this long to
20:45get the surgery after being with her, because even though she was saying, I'm going to be
20:49attracted to you, I was like, but you just kind of came out, I'm like your second real
20:55relationship, I don't, I don't want you to lose a part of me that, like, you viewed as
21:03a differentiator between, I mean, there's another part.
21:07I mean, it's, like, not the only part.
21:10But it didn't matter, it didn't matter to you.
21:12No, it didn't matter at all, but I was...
21:14We had a tata for them.
21:14I did.
21:15We had a wholesome dog.
21:17Okay, I love that.
21:18We had a tata to the tata's party.
21:20Oh, I love it.
21:20Yeah.
21:21Yeah.
21:22We had all of our friends over, they, the gifts were hilarious, but, like I said, it's
21:27not her...
21:28I also feel, too, it's one of those things where, like, your sexual orientation is internal
21:33for you.
21:33You know what I mean?
21:34Yeah.
21:34Like, it's not, like, what your part, like, you know what I mean?
21:36Like, that's very, like, so insane that that is something people are even questioning.
21:40Oh, it's like...
21:40It has made me realize that we need to get rid of labels a little bit more.
21:44You know, gender and sexuality are fluid, so I don't need to be in a box.
21:48If this makes me not a lesbian, I don't care because I'm still married to Jen.
21:51Right.
21:51And at the beginning of the day, I'd rather be Miss Spinner than a lesbian.
21:54Right.
21:54That's true.
21:55Exactly.
21:55Now, Franklin, where you guys live...
21:57I have a tata tattoo.
21:58Aww.
21:59Franklin, where you guys live, you said it's very conservative, but there's also, like,
22:02a tiny little community of celebrities there.
22:05I mean, you guys are there.
22:05Jason Waller from Laguna Beach and the girls is also there.
22:07Yeah, that's the reason we're there.
22:09So, like, in terms of, like, the people who are sort of, like, fame and Jason, because
22:12I think Kristen Cavallari is not too far away.
22:15Like, do you feel any support in that way from those people who have seen...
22:18Oh, okay.
22:19They're very...
22:20I don't...
22:21Kristen is not conservative.
22:21I don't know if it's Kristen.
22:23Jason is the reason we moved out there.
22:24So, our kids were at school together in Orange County.
22:27We went to the same preschool.
22:28We used the same realtor, because he's also sober.
22:31Yeah, right.
22:32So, you guys connect there.
22:32And we both worked for Evolution.
22:34Oh, that's right.
22:35So, Alex Baskin put us in contact.
22:36Oh, that's right.
22:37Okay, because he did the Hills reboot.
22:38Yeah.
22:39Yeah.
22:39And their show was under Evolution, too.
22:42So, we've been friendly for a very long time.
22:45Yeah.
22:45He's just a little bit more conservative than we are.
22:47Okay.
22:47And if I'm being totally honest, I don't hang out with straight people that often.
22:51I feel ya.
22:52I'm literally sad not to say that.
22:55She's sharing her truth.
22:57She always does.
22:58I've led the straight life.
22:59I had a lot of straight couple friends.
23:00And now I hang out with queer people.
23:02I did it.
23:03You did.
23:03You know what I've learned?
23:04It's boring.
23:06Okay.
23:06I don't want to hang out with straight people.
23:08You're just constantly wants to hang out with those moms.
23:11No.
23:12I'm friendly with the kids' moms.
23:13And then you get mad because I make them uncomfortable.
23:14But it's like work relationships.
23:16Well, I just walk out of the room and close the door.
23:18I'm like, I don't have any interest.
23:20No, she literally just goes upstairs.
23:21She doesn't even say hello.
23:23I am friendly with all the kids' moms because...
23:25You just want to keep the peace.
23:26It's the kids.
23:27Right.
23:28But as far as like going out and who I hang out with, I don't hang out with straight people as much anymore.
23:32Yeah.
23:33And it's...
23:34Chrissy Cavallari's going to have to come out if she wants to hang out with you guys.
23:38I just have so much more fun with queer people.
23:40And I found that the relationships and the conversations are so much more honest because we've all had some sort of shared trauma that it's not, how's your day?
23:49Oh, it's great.
23:49Everything's good.
23:50It's like, oh, I'm not crying.
23:52Yeah.
23:52You know?
23:52But there is more of an authenticity.
23:55Yeah.
23:55And I don't have to pretend to be anything except for who I am.
23:58There's no keeping up with the Joneses, you know?
24:00Right.
24:00But also the queer community, we did think that celebrities would kind of indicate like a more supportive environment.
24:09That hasn't really been our experience.
24:13However, like the event that we went at that ended up being like a church.
24:17Which one?
24:18The one that it was like a dinner and then all of a sudden everyone started praying.
24:21Oh.
24:21That was...
24:22Oh.
24:23Okay.
24:23And I was like, Bronwyn, so I'm going to probably go.
24:26I didn't even have biscuits.
24:27It was so sad.
24:27No biscuits.
24:28Yeah.
24:28It was carb-free.
24:29There was a lot going on.
24:30Forget the religious part.
24:32You need to give me carb-free.
24:34See, I'm sort of saying amen.
24:35If you're going to bring up Jesus, like I'm giving you...
24:39If you're going to host an event in the South, you better have some biscuits.
24:42Nothing against Jesus, but like I need bread.
24:44Yeah.
24:45And he loved bread, Jesus.
24:47He was into bread.
24:48He loved to break bread.
24:49Yeah.
24:50What a better way to honor him.
24:51And I will say, she's been amazing too because she started Soho House.
24:55She does...
24:56Whoa.
24:56No, you started Shabbat dinners for the Jewish committee.
25:00I was like, that'd be impressive if you started Soho House.
25:00We have lodkas and vodkas and so she does all of the Jewish events at the Soho House.
25:06So like she really, you really have jumped in.
25:08But yes.
25:09And Soho House has been amazing.
25:13And that community that we've met there has been great.
25:17But like the queer community in Nashville are also the people that show up.
25:21Like right now, our kids are being babysat by Fae Ludes, our favorite drag queen.
25:27Oh, obsessed.
25:28Sometimes she brings her like best friend that's like an exotic dancer over.
25:33And we're like, yeah, our kids are with a stripper and a drag queen.
25:36And that's fine.
25:37That's how we parent.
25:38And they're the best babysitter.
25:39But also when I had my surgery, like our queer friends were showing up with food and
25:44bringing me Starbucks.
25:46And it's a family.
25:47Should I say independent coffee?
25:49I'm going to pretend I don't drink sex.
25:50She does.
25:51She's addicted.
25:52But it's like those, we do have some straight friends, but they're not the ones that are
25:59like showing up in that way whenever we need anything.
26:03The queer community in Nashville is a family.
26:06They say yes.
26:07For our kids and us.
26:07When we did a benefit for Franklin Pride because we lost all the corporate sponsorship,
26:11they, and one phone call and they were like, yeah, of course we're going to be there.
26:14And everyone shows up for each other.
26:17And I love that.
26:18And we don't have that much time left with y'all.
26:19But I'm wondering what, I mean, this was a major, the surgery is a major moment this
26:23year.
26:23Is there anything else in 2025 that we're really looking forward to?
26:26I'm graduating from school.
26:28Ah!
26:29I went back to school because after my divorce, I had to get a job.
26:32I'd been a stay-at-home mom for 25 years.
26:34So I went back to school.
26:36I'm going to be an esthetician.
26:38And I love it.
26:39I make people beautiful all day.
26:41And so I graduate in 12 days.
26:43Oh my God.
26:44So excited.
26:44Right around the corner.
26:45Congratulations.
26:46That's amazing.
26:47So next time I'm here, I can do your eyebrows.
26:49Oh my God, please.
26:50I need the help.
26:51Yeah.
26:52Wait, what did you tell them that?
26:53I can get a little bed out here.
26:54Oh my God, yes.
26:56I would love that.
26:57I'm not a brawaxing.
26:57I'm not a brawaxing.
26:58I'm not a brawaxing.
26:58I'm not a brawaxing.
26:58It's like, what do you want to do for a living?
27:00Do what you love.
27:01I love making people beautiful.
27:03You're so, like, you're so great at it and it makes you so happy.
27:08It does.
27:08It does.
27:09I love it.
27:10And also I feel like you'd be just like so, like, peaceful and fun to, like, have the spa moment
27:13with, yeah.
27:14I love it.
27:14And then a lot of the women I get, because I'm at school, so it's a lot of women on fixed
27:18income, so a lot of the women are divorced or going through a hard time.
27:21And it's so nice to be able to talk and connect and, like, let them know they're not alone.
27:25I, it's like therapy and a beauty treatment and I've really found my niche in life.
27:30We're so happy for you.
27:32I'm excited for everything you've got going on for 2025.
27:34This was a good year.
27:35This was a good year for you guys to come visit.
27:37You guys should totally come down there.
27:38I've never been.
27:39I've never been to, like, the Nashville area.
27:41It's so fun.
27:41Because I've just been to Memphis a few times.
27:43I love it.
27:43You guys need to come.
27:44Come in a week and we don't have the kids and we'll have all the extra guest rooms.
27:46It's a lot.
27:47It's fun.
27:47We will have the best time.
27:48Okay, yeah.
27:49We love having guests now.
27:50That'd be so fun.
27:50I've only ever been to Gatlinburg for a cheer competition.
27:53We love.
27:54It was kind of fun.
27:55Yeah.
27:55Dollywood.
27:56I've never been to Dollywood.
27:57I would love to do Dollywood.
27:59Are we going to Dollywood?
28:01Let's do Dollywood.
28:01We have to go look at our calendars.
28:03We are now, like, gold season tickets.
28:05We are.
28:06Amazing.
28:07So turn that to Dollywood.
28:07What?
28:08Okay.
28:08So we're going to give you the most American phenomenal experience.
28:11Dolly Stampede.
28:13Oh, I have been to that in Myrtle Beach.
28:15Okay.
28:15A really fun time.
28:16It is.
28:16Oh my gosh.
28:17It's a time.
28:17It is a time.
28:18It is something.
28:19So everybody stay tuned because we're going to be seeing you all now.
28:22Done and done.
28:23Yes.
28:23Thanks, guys.
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