00:00Joining me on this broadcast, we've got Sushil Rajkumar, political analyst, as well as Satya Kumar, TVK national spokesperson.
00:07Good evening. I want to come to both of you and thank you for your time.
00:10Mr. Satya Kumar, I'd like to begin with you on your response to former Chief Minister M.K. Stalin
00:14when he questions the work ethic of Chief Minister Vijay and once again calls him a weak Chief Minister.
00:21So, Akshita, if you may note the statements made by the former Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, Mr. M.K.
00:27Stalin,
00:27I only see it as a mirror for himself and he's trying to use the name of our Chief Minister.
00:34The reason being, whatever he said, if you look at the law and order issue or even the drug issue
00:41that he was mentioning,
00:42everything was going around in the period of DMK and he's now trying to accuse us.
00:49Just, we are six months in the government and putting all the blame of the Tamil Nadu's crisis on us
00:57is definitely not acceptable.
00:59It is only a political rhetoric and definitely it is not showing the signs of what is our governance is
01:05all about.
01:06Let me bring out a few important aspects.
01:08Akshita, we know that Tamil Nadu, we narrated about a legal issue of about 15 lakh crore debt.
01:15In spite of the fiscal tables not in our favour, we are trying to deliver to the people in whatever
01:20form possible,
01:21restructuring the schemes which are supposed to reach the people with different strata of the society,
01:30who beat women or children or even with respect to some of the schemes that we are trying to bring
01:36in where our standard governance practice is no corruption.
01:40And when Mr. Stalin is making a statement about K Nehru,
01:44there is an ED dossier given by the Enforcement Directorate based on which the Madrasai Court directed on 20th February
01:50to register an FIR
01:52and the DMK government did not do it.
01:55Now, in the month of June, the DVAC registered the case based on the Madrasai Court direction
02:00and TVAC is not in the game of political vendetta.
02:04Whatever Mr. MK Stalin is speaking, he is trying to speak because he is jealous
02:09and he is not able to accept the fact that the DMK has lost the election
02:14and they are trying to withhold their vote bank.
02:18I would see in that direction.
02:19But Mr. Satya Kumar, you know the point that he has made on law and order
02:23is something that is constantly being raised now that nothing has changed on the ground on law and order.
02:28You still hear of these horrifying crimes and this time instead of a DMK functionary, it is TVK functionaries.
02:34Definitely, Akshita.
02:35In fact, I also appreciate you many times.
02:37I have seen your tweet in the X platform where you actually raise questions about the law and order.
02:42I really appreciate it because when we came to the power, we never committed for zero crime.
02:47Zero crime is not possible in any state.
02:48But I am not justifying also, Akshita.
02:50I am not justifying.
02:51But the fact is, we are taking steps to see to that the pervasive effect of the law and order
02:57issue of the DMK government is rectified.
03:00See, for example, when you ask a question about the prison breakout,
03:03my answer is, we have formed the government, but the officials are not in our control.
03:11All those officials are still loyal to the DMK.
03:13This sounds like a long list of excuses.
03:16No, no, no.
03:16Akshita, I am not giving excuses.
03:18It is a fact.
03:20I would like to place it on the national media.
03:22Some of the government officers are functioning like a DMK agents.
03:27I am asking a simple question, Akshita.
03:29We have not ordered for the prison breakout.
03:31No chief minister will order.
03:32If it is happening in a prison, that too continuously in different prisons, and Anbil Meirish is getting arrested, why
03:39is it happening?
03:40And all these officials were recruited by DMK government.
03:43Now we have to take disciplinary action on them.
03:46I am again repeating.
03:47The officers are still loyal to DMK.
03:51Let me put across in the vote bank politics also.
03:53If you see the postal votes, officers did not vote for TVK.
03:59Offices did not vote for TVK.
04:01Postal ballot alone, if you see, the DMK was leading.
04:04It means the officers are still loyal.
04:06They wanted the DMK to come to power because they were in hand in glove with the DMK in corruption.
04:13That's a grave charge you are making, sir.
04:15That's a grave charge.
04:15Mr. Sushil Rajkumar, would you like to respond?
04:17I wanted to bring it in the national media.
04:19That it's hard for the TVK to function because of this?
04:23Absolutely, Akshita.
04:25Absolutely.
04:26Mr. Rajkumar.
04:28No, this is a lame excuse given by the TVK government, by its official spokesman on the national media.
04:35It's very laughable.
04:36And Mr. Vijay is known to speak too much in the films.
04:41But now for the past three, four months, he's keeping silent.
04:45That is what Mr. Stalin is pointing out.
04:48That Mr. Vijay should open his mouth and open his eyes and see what is happening in the state.
04:52The deteriorating law and order situation and the crimes against women are continuing in nature.
04:59Because it is Mr. Vijay who talked too much about the crimes.
05:03And he said once the TVK took over the government, we will change everything.
05:08But that has not happened.
05:10And Mr. Vijay is silenced to all the happenings.
05:12On the one side, they are saying that they have eradicated corruption in the state machinery.
05:16But now, yesterday, the school education minister, Mr. Rajkumar is saying that last week, he is saying that somebody brought
05:28a person that he offered five crore for a government posting.
05:32Let them come out who is that person and take action against them.
05:35Now, Mr. Sati Kumar is saying that…
05:37No, but that's not proof of corruption.
05:39If anything, he is saying that, look, this is the offer that came my way.
05:42No, no, no.
05:43Why not you take action against the person who brought the person that he is ready to offer five crore?
05:48That too to a official person who is holding a position in the state education department.
05:56No, this is the continuing thing in the TVK.
05:58And one more minister, today, he is saying, Nirmal Kumar, that somebody is offering 35 crores to purchase MLS from
06:05TVK.
06:06Let them take action against them.
06:08These things, they try to divert the issue from the real issues.
06:11That is the only thing he is doing.
06:13From the beginning, for the past six months, Mr. Vijay and his comrades are doing only the diversion techniques because
06:20they lost the way.
06:21They don't know what to do to the state machinery.
06:24Now, they are blaming the state officials who are working for the government.
06:27Who is heading the government, they will work for the government.
06:30No, Mr. Sati Kumar, ultimately, look, if the DMK was in power and the DMK put forth reasons like officials
06:37are not working under us,
06:38that's a sign of poor administration, of poor governments.
06:43See, the reason that I am saying it, Takshita, see, for example, what has happened is,
06:48let us understand because Sushil Rajkumar is also the beneficiary of the TVK government's steps that we are taking.
06:53Let him understand that.
06:54Let him speak from the heart.
06:55I will tell you what is a fact.
06:57See, he is smiling.
06:58He knows that DMK Stalin did not deliver.
07:00Really?
07:00Mr. Rajkumar, you think so?
07:03No.
07:04No, my friend, my friend, he is saying so many things.
07:07Let him say.
07:08Let him say.
07:08I am just laughing.
07:09Let him say.
07:10No problem.
07:11I'll explain.
07:12I'll explain.
07:13Sushil would have voted for Whistle, but still his heart is in DMK.
07:16Anyway, so the point is...
07:17No, I like Mr. Rajkumar, but I don't like Mr. Vijay.
07:20That's the problem.
07:21So, the point is, the point is, Sakshita, see, what has happened is, we are trying to deliver the governance
07:28to the people.
07:29And most of the time, the officers today are frustrated because we are trying to eradicate corruption.
07:36And corruption has gone away literally in the grassroots level.
07:39Moment corruption has gone away, they bend the rule of law and say work cannot get over because they show
07:45some lame excuses and the people are suffering.
07:47Now, tell me honestly, when my Honorable Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu Talbaji Vijay said no corruption and the steps
07:53are taken for the corruption to be eradicated,
07:56then ultimate result is what is happening is the officers are not delivering.
08:00When the officers are not delivering, we don't want to withhold saying that officers are doing their duty.
08:05We wanted to say to the people, the officers are not delivering.
08:07There is one veterinary doctor, you would have seen Akshita, he went out to scold a village woman.
08:14Immediately, by looking at that video, Honorable Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu Talbaji Vijay called up the respective minister, told
08:21her to remove the veterinary doctor.
08:25All that we can do is, we can only transfer them, put them on a waiting list.
08:29I am making this statement in the national media because we are a party with a two-year-old party,
08:35came to power and all these officers are still loyal to the DMK, primarily to DMK, not even to any
08:40DMK.
08:40But that's not the DMK's fault, sir.
08:43Then the TVK has to turn things around.
08:45Look, I still call it an excuse because Mr. Satyakumar, the people have voted you to power knowing.
08:49And the TVK, Mr. Vijay, knew the challenges of being a new political party in power.
08:55So, ultimately, that means there will be questions about administration, about controlling the situation in Tabarnadu.
09:01And then what next?
09:03Your concern is right.
09:04You tell me what steps we should take, being part of the governance.
09:08We can only transfer them.
09:09We can only try with the new officials.
09:11They are the steel frames of the government.
09:14Can I charge saying they all were recruited?
09:16They were all recruited during the DMK period.
09:19And their performance was not checked or they were actually hand in glow with the minister or the councillors of
09:25the DMK, where in the grassroots level they were doing the corruption.
09:28It is deep-rooted in the system.
09:31It is deep-rooted in the system.
09:32That's what I told you as statistics, where these government officials, in the postal votes, they did not vote for
09:37the TVK.
09:38It does not, does it not reflect that they did not vote for the government?
09:41No, but simple, sir, intent alone doesn't cut it.
09:44You know, they will have to be action on the ground as well to do something about this.
09:48Mr. Sushil Rajkumar, ultimately the TVK is saying that, look, we are trying, but it's not easy.
09:53And that's because of the DMK and the people who are there, you know, calling the shots.
09:59No, Mr. Sati Kumar really thinks what he is saying is correct.
10:04Let's say the TVK government take action against the official, which they blame, that they support the DMK.
10:09But one official, I know who is the nominee of the BJP government, who is nominated by the election commission,
10:15he is still continuing as the chief secretary of this state.
10:18Why Mr. Vijay is not taking action against him?
10:21Let Mr. Sushil Rajkumar explain that.
10:23Why he is continuing with Mr. Sushil Rajkumar?
10:28All IAS officers are recruited by UPSC.
10:31All IAS officers work in the state.
10:34Why are you continuing with the election commission nominated chief secretary?
10:36Why are you continuing with the election commission nominated chief secretary when the whole country is against the election commission
10:42and demanding the resignation of Mr. Yanis Kumar?
10:45And he has appointed this Sushil Rajkumar, who is a retired official, and you have given extension to him.
10:50Why are you continuing with, why your government is continuing with Mr. Sushil Rajkumar?
10:54Let him be transferred and let him be thrown out.
10:56Let there be a new face.
10:58Because he is, earlier he was working with Mr. Yadapati Palli Chami and Mr. M.K. Stalin.
11:03Why don't we change the chief secretary first?
11:06If you really feel that.
11:07Akshita, it's not about the chief secretary.
11:10So we are not identifying a particular officer and saying chief secretary is delivering.
11:15That's the reason chief secretary is there in that position.
11:18Even chief secretary's words, certain times officials are not hearing.
11:22Please understand, when officer cannot be a person.
11:24Sir, name and shame them.
11:26That's what, Akshita, we have transferred so many people, Akshita.
11:29Even when the prison breakout happened, we immediately, we immediately changed the officer.
11:35And there was one illegal arrest that was made, Mr. Kalayarasan, a renowned economist in Chennai.
11:40Immediately, Honorable Chief Minister called him and spoke to him.
11:43And then, subsequently, the officers were all transferred and posted to other places.
11:48We are in a situation where there are limited number of officers.
11:52We can only test them by posting in different places, transfer them.
11:56Within the limited amount of, within the limited officers, we can only try and test.
12:03But whereas the DMK were using the officials for corruption, so many PCA cases are there where officials were involved.
12:09Take, for example, Taskmark. Take, for example, the MAWS department where K. Nehru was involved in corruption.
12:17Anubil Mahesh case. Offices were involved.
12:19All these cases are also being investigated right now.
12:24Yes, there are grave allegations, but they're all being investigated right now.
12:27What I've run out of time, Mr. Satya Kumar and Mr. Sushil Rajkumar, thank you for joining us here on
12:32India Today.
12:33Ultimately, you're seeing now the showdown between Chief Minister and former Chief Minister on intent on administration, governance and law
12:42and order.
12:42It's been six months now of the TVK in power in Tamil Nadu.
