00:00Dolla da Silva won the run of elections with 51.79% of the vote and stage and unprecedented comeback.
00:11To analyze this victory we are joined by Gilberto Maringonio de Oliveira,
00:19a journalist and professor of international relations at a federal university of ABC.
00:25Hello Gilberto, welcome to From the South.
00:31Well, thank you, Ana. Good evening.
00:33Good evening to you.
00:35Well, what are the major achievements of Lola's campaigns that could lead him to the victory?
00:45Well, this was a very complex process.
00:49We had two turns, two rounds in this election.
00:52The first one was in October 5, and the second was yesterday, in October 25.
00:57The first round was very, was not a nice in political determination.
01:06It was a contest of no purposes, no clear purposes, no clear projects.
01:15It was a very cold in population.
01:18It seems there was nothing happening in the country.
01:23It was a calm in the worst sense of the world.
01:29When, in the first round, Lola was the second, had the second place.
01:37The first one was the extreme right, Flavio Bolsonaro.
01:42People, democratic people, progressive people, center-left people, was very afraid with the consequences of the victory of the almost
01:57fastest candidate.
01:59And so people came to the streets, especially students, young people, but miles or millions of people all along Brazil,
02:12in big and small cities and medium cities, along the three weeks.
02:16It was another process, another universe, almost.
02:23Another country.
02:24You had another country here, I can say about that.
02:27It was totally different from the first round.
02:30The people in the streets, people on the ground changed the panorama, changed the scenario of the political scene of
02:39Brazil.
02:40And so the fear moved the people ahead to face the danger of a fascist government.
02:52Flavio Bolsonaro was supported by Donald Trump, by the big, big tax, by Meta, and the financial system, the financial
03:02international system.
03:04The victory of Lula was something really epic.
03:09I've never seen an election like that.
03:13A million and million people went to the streets every day, not only in Sao Paulo, the largest Brazilian city,
03:21but in Rio de Janeiro, in Brasilia, in Belo Horizonte, in Curitiba.
03:24Well, Brazil has 215 million people, and we had around 160 million people that could vote, that could elect the
03:41president.
03:42We had around 120 million people who went to the ballot houses, went to vote to Lula.
03:52Till the end of the evening, yesterday evening, the Sunday evening, we didn't know who would have won.
04:03So the numbers of the political ballots, the political institutes didn't point who would have won.
04:16Only in the last hour, we knew that Lula could win.
04:22And that happened, and immediately, streets all around Brazil were very crowded of people.
04:32People went to the streets for their own will, not called by a party, not called for a direction of
04:40a campaign.
04:41No, no. It was spontaneous, spontaneous, very spontaneous, these movements.
04:46And so I think the achievements, you say about the achievements, I think the citizenship won yesterday.
04:54The citizenship wants to change Brazil, wants a better life, and wants especially a better future, a better life.
05:02Something better than to live in a country with social differences, with a large part of the population, very poor,
05:13and a little part of it composed by rich, but very, very rich people.
05:18I think we have a promise, we have a perspective to change really the country.
05:26But that depends on the political struggle.
05:29The political struggle not only in the parliament, not only in Congress, but especially on the streets.
05:35Yeah, Alberto.
05:38And also, after the Lula's victories, how this will change the balance of powers in the Brazilian society?
05:50Well, that's a great question.
05:52The balance of power will be built, the power of the political power, the political of the financial power, the
06:06power of the big companies, the power of Congress, the power of the extreme right.
06:11But now we have a new element, we have a new agent that is the crowds on the streets.
06:19It's not common in Brazil to have this volume, this increase, the number of people on the street.
06:28I hope these people do not go back to their homes, but stay awake, stay looking for a new future,
06:42looking to build a program to make life better,
06:49and to make the panorama of the class in Brazil better than today.
06:58Brazil is a very violent country.
07:00Brazil is a rich country, but with poor people, and we hope that finally we can change that.
07:07It's not easy.
07:08Brazil had 400 years of slavery, a hard story of an evil society, very social difference, were the mark, the
07:27signal of Brazil history.
07:29It's not easy to change, but we can begin again, again, again.
07:33All times, we need to do that.
07:38Thank you, Gilberto, for your explanation, and also for joining us here from the South.
07:48Yeah, I think we have an international relation.
07:56Our project, the project of a new government, I think, is to integrate Latin America again, to have a friendship
08:04with other countries, but to have a very tough problem.
08:09It's that the extreme right now rules the most of South America and Latin American countries.
08:19I think we have to make a partnership with democratic countries.
08:25I think that Mexico is the principal, the main counter, the main target to Brazilian diplomacy, and to save Cuba.
08:34Cuba fights a very difficult fight against the empire, and we have to try to move, to try to change
08:50this panorama, this scenario, the political scene in Latin America.
08:55It's not only up to Brazil to do that.
08:58We have to integrate our countries.
09:01We have to remake lots of agreements.
09:06We have to other countries here in Latin America.
09:10Yeah, it's a collective five to defend democracy.
09:14And, well, it was a pleasure to us to have a new hearing from the South, Gilberto.
09:20Thank you very much.
09:23Yeah, thank you very much.
09:26Thank you very much.
