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We invite Lua Cruz, legal director of the Organization fighting against Big Tech companies, one of the organizers of the protests at Meta's office on Monday October 20th, to explain the digital battles being carried out behind the Brazilian presidential election. teleSUR

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00:00In the context as well of the crucial electoral process that is said to take place on Brazil on upcoming
00:08Sunday for the run-off election between president and re-election candidate Luis Inácio Lula da Silva and his rival,
00:18the far-right leader for the moment, Flavio Bolsonaro, in a very tight and with much expectations.
00:27As well, in this very context, we have a special guest. We were trying to make a connection with him
00:34a few moments ago, but we were having technical difficulties.
00:37He's back with us. His name is Lua Cruz, director of the organization Fighting Against Big Tech Companies.
00:46Precisely, he has been one of the main organizers of several demonstrations that have been taking place and are set
00:52as well to keep taking place at MEDA's headquarters in Sao Paulo.
00:57Precisely, regarding the threats that have been posed on the nation in the digital sphere.
01:03So, Lua, welcome back to From the South. Now I think that we have connected at this moment.
01:13Hi, Alejandra. So, this week we had this huge demonstration in front of MEDA's headquarters in Sao Paulo, and I
01:22think it's the biggest in Latin America.
01:23We gather over 2,000 people from social movements, student unions, congresspeople from left-wing parties, and not only people
01:34that were concerned by the MEDA's interference in our elections,
01:38but also people who were themselves affected by having their accounts suspended, accounts banned, there were some limits on their
01:50reach, postings disappearing,
01:53they weren't able to like, to share, to save.
01:59So, also, we saw not only the banned accounts and comments disappearing, but also the functionalities, like the simple functionalities
02:09in these accounts, they were disabled, or they were malfunctioned.
02:14And not only that, the most important thing is we did our investigation here at Control Z, the organization that
02:22I led,
02:22and we discovered that 9 out of 10 contents and accounts that were suffering with this problem were pro-Lula
02:31accounts and pro-Lula posts.
02:33So, we are seeing not only interference in the electoral debate and public debate, but interference within a specific target.
02:44And this is not only confirmed by our research and investigation, but also we discovered this week that some internal
02:56messages from employees,
02:58they were also saying the same stuff, saying, hey, we are doing harm to Lula's campaign and it's different from
03:05what we are doing with Bolsonaro.
03:07So, it's not only, we are seeing these discussions on allegedly interference, it's not allegedly, they are interfering.
03:15We have the data, we have the documentations, we have these conversations from the Meta employees in Brazil.
03:22So, that's why we went to the Meta headquarters to protest.
03:28But not only that, we went there to gather people to talk about the issue, and we tried to send
03:33a letter to Conrado Lester,
03:36which is the head of the country manager in Brazil for Meta, and they didn't want to receive us.
03:43They sent us to the garage to receive the letter by a building employee, and we refused to do that
03:51because with several people,
03:53with thousands of people in front of the headquarters, we don't think that it was fair to put us in
03:59the garage to receive the document
04:00that we prepared with all the data that we gathered.
04:06So, that was it. And we'll still go and keep up with these protests and with these demonstrations,
04:12and filing petitions and filing documentations to prove that we are suffering from interference from these big attacks in Brazil.
04:23Why defending digital sovereignty is also a way of protecting democracy in Brazil at these crucial hours?
04:34It's important because we are trapped in these big tech companies, in these big tech apps.
04:41So, now it's time to rule against them, not only to regulate, but also to find ways of getting out
04:47of here,
04:48getting out of this trap, getting out of these walled gardens.
04:54We were, how can I say this, but we were, they said for a long time, for a long time,
05:02for several years,
05:03that social media and these social networks, like dominated by these tech oligarchs, was the public sphere,
05:11was like the place where we could chat and exchange ideas and so on.
05:15But now we are seeing this is not a public sphere, it's a shopping mall, and they are the owners,
05:20and they have their own interests, not only on democracy, but also the financial interests, the economic interests,
05:30and they have really nice friends, right?
05:33So, here in Brazil, we know that the far right is well aligned with big tech companies.
05:38The same happens in the US, in Colombia, in all the places that far right are winning elections.
05:44If they don't want to lose in Brazil, of course, Brazil is the largest democracy in the region,
05:50and I lose a lot for them here, it could be backfire in elsewhere.
05:55So, they are doing all that they can to try to minimize all the impact in all the discussions that
06:02we are trying to do,
06:03and trying to put up on the discussion on tech sovereignty and digital sovereignty,
06:08which is also the same as important as the common and the old sovereignty.
06:15So, this is a really important aspect of this right now, not only for Brazil and for the region, but
06:20for the world.
06:21The world is watching this election, and the world is hoping, and the democratic world is expecting that Lula wins
06:28this election,
06:28because it's not only going to be a win for Bolsonaro, it's going to be a win for the big
06:34tech companies,
06:35and for all of them that are trying to suppress the political discourse that is rising in the second round
06:42in Brazil.
06:43Lula, thank you very much for your time from the south, and also for giving us an important insight
06:49of what is at stake in Brazil in this crucial democratic process that you're undergoing at this hour. Thank you.
06:58You're welcome. Thank you.
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