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00:00detail of that murder in plain sight.
00:07Welcome, welcome all of you to Uncloaked.
00:09Claire, we'll start with you.
00:10Instant reactions to that episode, please.
00:13It is just, honestly, this series is the gift that keeps on giving.
00:16I love the paranoia of Ross.
00:19I'm really enjoying that.
00:20I think Miranda, or Miranda Marple, as I shall henceforth refer to her,
00:25is the meme queen.
00:26Yes.
00:27I'm loving her, as in meme, not mean.
00:29Not me, certainly not meme.
00:31No, galloping down the corridor with Kenny and Bash.
00:34A little mix, big mix.
00:35I'm really enjoying all of that.
00:37Big mix is lovely.
00:37It's just fantastic.
00:38And I have to say, Maya is, I think, one of the most brilliant traitors I've ever seen.
00:45She has a strategy.
00:46She's super smart.
00:48She's totally under the radar.
00:50She's sensational.
00:51And, you know, I hesitate to yawn on this program.
00:56Who's going to go?
00:59Hello, Ross.
01:00Are you enjoying this series so far?
01:01I've been loving it.
01:02I've been, I actually feel for Ross.
01:04I've been, as a fellow Ross, I've, I see, I see what it's gone through.
01:10I don't know what it is.
01:11There was a moment when people were getting out in my breakfast and I was like, leave us alone.
01:16Because I get the paranoia in there.
01:18And as another faithful who was wrongly accused, there's nothing you can say.
01:24Like, I really feel like the best people at defending themselves are traitors.
01:28Definitely.
01:29And as a faithful, there's just literally nothing you can do to kind of clear yourself.
01:34Yeah.
01:35Initially, whilst really paranoid, I mean, he's chilled a little bit, right?
01:39I think a little bit.
01:40I mean, he's not called out a murder in plain sight every single day.
01:45No.
01:45And certainly, it doesn't seem to have done at the end of this episode when there's actually one happening near
01:49him.
01:49Oh, yes.
01:51And he is occasionally blinking.
01:53I mean, not often.
01:54Yeah.
01:54But occasionally.
01:56He did two, didn't he?
01:56Yeah.
01:57Two blinks, yes.
01:57They've actually had to slow down the footage.
01:59Yeah.
02:02Ellie, has anyone surprised you in the castle so far?
02:04Oh, who has surprised me?
02:07I mean, I thought Hannah did a great job when she got landed with being a traitor.
02:11Like, I was really excited to watch her be a faithful.
02:13And she pivoted and she did her best.
02:17So, you know, good for her.
02:19Ultimately, it didn't work out.
02:20I mean, I think back to Ross Kemp, it's just like I didn't understand that he'd just bring his whole
02:26experience in to the castle.
02:29Paul, what sort of job do you think the traitors are doing this series as our resident horrible little traitor
02:34man?
02:35Thank you for that.
02:36Maya is just absolutely phenomenal.
02:38James is playing an amazing game because he's a faithful,
02:41but I think it might bite him a little bit because, like Maya was saying,
02:44you have to be a bit ruthless.
02:46And, you know, she's recruited Kenny and she's like,
02:48I need someone to be with me that's, like, on my level of ruthlessness.
02:51So I fear for James a little bit.
02:53I think he might be the least powerful of the group.
02:55I think they missed a trick.
02:56I think they should have recruited Joe because he was going anyway.
03:00Well, yes.
03:00But they've obviously, they've kept him.
03:03What, to just recruit, get banished, recruit, get banished?
03:05I think if they would have recruited, because Joe, he just offered himself up on a platter.
03:08I was going to have an alcoholic drink, but actually I'm not going to because I want to have a
03:11clear head in case I'm recruited.
03:13Because there's a nice, there's a beautiful vacancy now.
03:17If someone gets recruited, you're going to get banished immediately now.
03:21That's the risk you take, isn't it, James?
03:22And because the traitors, in my opinion, is a survival game, I actually don't think it's about finding traitors if
03:28you're a faithful.
03:29It's about almost just hiding and saying nothing.
03:31And just if you do find a traitor, then you kind of link yourself next to them, so they'll take
03:36you to the end of the show.
03:37And then you kind of, like, I mean, I'm saying this, I've never done it as a faithful.
03:40I mean, that is also, Paul, the most traitorous advice for faithful.
03:44To be like, as a faithful, don't find traitors, by the way, that's not your job, you've just got to
03:48be quiet.
03:49Imagine the series if the faithful were all just like, I'm saying nothing.
03:53Oh, can I just have a massive nod to James Blunt and his determination to dress as Action Man?
04:00Have you noticed it? In every challenge, he's in a different Action Man outfit, so he's a pilot, and then
04:05the headband and the tracksuit thing.
04:07He's just, I think he's creating a whole series of dolls that would be Blunt Man, which isn't the greatest
04:14title, but it'll work.
04:16And I get the feeling those are all clothes he had anyway.
04:19Oh, yeah. A thousand percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:21Definitely.
04:22Well, this episode ended with the murder in plain sight attempt by the traitors.
04:27Yeah.
04:28He's got it.
04:28He has to, because I couldn't find it.
04:30He's got it.
04:30Yeah, he must do.
04:31And I just think that we wait for someone to yawn, because you can't make someone yawn. I'll start yawning.
04:38Yeah, that's fine.
04:39Otherwise, it's too weird.
04:41What do we make of this? I mean, this has got to be, I think, one of the hardest slash
04:44oddest murder in plain sight.
04:46Oh, I don't know. Is it hard? Because, like, you get, there's contagion, right? Like, it's, if you yawn, someone
04:52else might yawn.
04:52So I think, actually, this might be the easiest murder.
04:56Really?
04:56Yeah.
04:56I guess everyone's tied in there. They've been, you know, they've been working hard on the missions.
05:00I think they're going to do it.
05:01I think, because I've done a murder in plain sight.
05:04Here we go.
05:05As the resident expert on this time.
05:07It is like, that is the most exciting time that I had in the entire castle, because you are so
05:11close to getting caught.
05:12And you've got to communicate with your fellow traitors, which is really difficult to do when you're in normal kind
05:17of circumstances.
05:18So that was phenomenal.
05:20The fact that you've got to try and make someone yawn.
05:22But my brain was going, I think, because in the last season, people were saying, well, if you're tired the
05:27most, it's because you're a traitor.
05:28Because you kind of, you know, you go to the tour and you do all the extra work and blah,
05:31blah, blah.
05:32So if you're a traitor trying to make someone yawn, you don't want to yawn too much.
05:36Yeah.
05:36Oh, Maya was quite, you should yawn like eight times.
05:38We should have had a yawn counter, shouldn't we?
05:40Yeah, the yawn counter.
05:41The best thing for the traitors is that Ross yawns, because Jerry's in Jerry world.
05:47Well, Jerry is in Jerry world, but Jerry has, she has name dropped James A. as a potential traitor.
05:52Yes.
05:52But she has also name dropped everyone else.
05:55And believe me, if Jerry yawns and is gone, Ross will notice.
06:00Oh, yeah.
06:00Oh, yeah.
06:01Ross is going to notice.
06:02He was kind of like taking stock, wasn't he?
06:04His little eyes were going, uh, uh, uh, uh.
06:05And he's not going to have missed my yawning.
06:07It felt like a lot.
06:08Like, James just looked like a legitimate yawn, where Maya at the end was just kind of
06:12doing like a jaw, like she was trying to click a jaw or something.
06:14I loved, I loved the edit at the end, just click between them, you're in.
06:19Oh, oh, oh.
06:20The tennis.
06:20So funny.
06:21And obviously as a viewer, you're watching that going, this is the most obvious thing I've
06:24ever seen in my life.
06:25But at some point, I think they might have to say, have you had your tonsils out?
06:30What do we make of the traitor's gameplay here, Claire?
06:33Do you think they're doing a good job trying to make this happen?
06:35I think Kenny's Kenny's doing a great job.
06:37Do not be in there.
06:38That was funny when Kenny was like, well, I just had to go because Sharon said, do you
06:41want to chat?
06:41But you know, in his head he was going, yes.
06:43Get out of here.
06:44I've done my job.
06:45I've sprayed the perfume.
06:46I mean, my favourite bit about this attempt that we've seen so far is James trying to
06:52make Jerry yawn by engaging her in small talk.
06:54Yeah.
06:55Saying like, oh, you're from Texas, are you, Jerry?
06:57Yeah.
06:58I've been to Texas.
07:01I've been to Austin, Jerry.
07:02She was like, oh, Austin's amazing.
07:03It's like, she was too engaged with it.
07:05Yeah.
07:05Oh, no.
07:07It's all about her favourite topic.
07:09Yeah.
07:09Exactly, yeah.
07:11But that's, it's also interesting to me that I think it's the first series where basically
07:15Claudia has not controlled anything other than Maya.
07:19And Maya has been in charge of traitor picking ever since.
07:23Well, she picked Richard as well, of course.
07:24Claudia.
07:25Yeah.
07:25That doesn't count.
07:29So Maya has been in charge.
07:32And Maya has voted for Richard and she's voted for Hannah.
07:35Yes.
07:36And she's enjoying it, you know?
07:38I mean, he's had quite a big first episode, Kenny, as a full traitor.
07:42Yeah, that's true.
07:43Because he's had to do, you know, be part of a murder in plain sight.
07:46Do we think he's faring well as a traitor?
07:48Yeah, he took to it like a duck to water, didn't he?
07:50Oh, yes.
07:50I still do think it's the Maya show, though.
07:52Yeah, I think Kenny's going to support her and defend her.
07:53Oh, yes.
07:54Oh, yes.
07:55I think she and Kenny are going to be really tight and back each other up.
07:59Well, during the murder in plain sight, we were treated to a new Little Mix line-up.
08:03Oh, yes.
08:04I love this.
08:05Introducing Little Mix and...
08:08Big Mix!
08:10Oh, it's brilliant.
08:16It's ideal, isn't it?
08:17It really is.
08:17What did you think of that choreography?
08:19It needs a little work, but I think it's terrific.
08:23I think Miranda is having a whale of a time.
08:25I think actually Miranda could teach Leanne a few things about the face to make while you're doing that.
08:28She was more invested, weren't she?
08:30Yeah, she was really invested.
08:31Yeah, yeah.
08:31And also so kind for her to cheer her up after, you know, she was so upset with Joe going,
08:36like...
08:36Well, in this episode, we saw the departure of Joe Lycett.
08:40Despite his best efforts to get recruited as a traitor, he was banished as a faithful.
08:44Let's hear what he had to say fresh from leaving the game.
08:51Welcome, Joe.
08:53Take a seat.
08:57Who are the traitors?
08:59Who are they? Is it Ross Kent?
09:01We'll get to that in a little bit, Joe.
09:03Is it Ross Kent?
09:04Okay.
09:06Joe, are we gutted you've left the game?
09:08I'm gutted I've left the game, but I did do it to myself.
09:11I was too hungry to be recruited.
09:15And, you know, if being passionate is a crime, then banish me from the castle.
09:22Well, they have.
09:23They may have.
09:23They may have, yes.
09:25Did you have any game plan during the day to get the heat off you after it was clear that
09:28you hadn't been recruited?
09:30A little bit.
09:31I thought I'm going to really chuck myself into the mission.
09:34But I had sort of chucked myself into the other mission.
09:35So I think it sort of went unnoticed that I was, you know, being a big strong boy.
09:41But I got the sense that lots of people were saying like, oh, you know, I can't vote for you
09:45because you're a national treasure, Joe.
09:47And, you know, if I was to vote for you, then the public would turn on me and I'd have
09:52my career ruined, which is probably what will happen to them now, I imagine.
09:56But they all said it and then voted for me, which is very strange because I imagine the public outcry
10:02and the hate messages they'll get in their DMs now from all the people watching this.
10:06You know, sort of things like, oh, my God, Romesh, can't believe you chucked Joe Lycett under the bus.
10:13Yeah.
10:13He was the most faithful of them all.
10:16What I would say to the person writing that message is you are absolutely not the most faithful of them
10:20all.
10:21You are outwardly asking to become a traitor, which doesn't feel like great faithful...
10:26It feels like you're outwardly asking for a DM from someone watching this saying,
10:30Oh, my God, Ed Gamble, can't believe you spoke like that to national treasure Joe Lycett, who was the most
10:36faithful of them all.
10:37The most faithful of them all, desperately wanting to be a traitor and asking for it openly.
10:40Yeah.
10:41Yeah.
10:42Just to clarify to the people watching this, this is a joke and please do not send hate tweets on
10:46my behalf.
10:47Yeah.
10:49You're a very direct player, I think is fair to say.
10:52Right.
10:52You're always very open about how you felt and who you're suspicious of.
10:56You're always having conversations with people.
10:58Obviously your directness paid off very early in the game by asking Richard if he was a traitor.
11:03He responded that he was.
11:05I believe you then said, I'll pretend I didn't hear that.
11:08You didn't pretend you didn't hear it though, did you Joe?
11:10No, I didn't.
11:10You went and told everyone.
11:11Yeah.
11:12Yeah.
11:12I think the exact words were, have you heard the news?
11:16Is what I said when I went into the other rooms.
11:19Yeah.
11:20I wonder if he thought that this whole thing was like a casting for another show called The Traitors.
11:24And he got it.
11:25Yeah.
11:26And he's really pleased.
11:27Yeah.
11:28He's like, I'm a traitor.
11:29When do we start filming?
11:31Yeah, or we thought it was like a dry run.
11:33Or a dry run.
11:34Yeah, perhaps.
11:34Yeah.
11:35Just to get you into the game, like loosen you up a little bit and then you do it again.
11:38Can you believe it?
11:38I'm a traitor.
11:39Yeah.
11:40Anyway, when do we start the game?
11:42So Joe, you're about to find out who the traitors are.
11:44But before we do that, who do you think they are?
11:47I think there's three.
11:49James Blunt, Ramesh or Michael Sheen.
11:53Just Ramesh is unreadable, so I think he'd make a good traitor for that reason.
11:57And Michael Sheen, it's just gut, that one.
12:01That's pure gut.
12:02Pure gut.
12:03And who are your definite faithful?
12:04You've mentioned a few people that are potential traitors there.
12:07Is there anyone that you are rock solid on being faithful?
12:09Not really, but I do think Miranda didn't give me any sort of traitor-y vibes.
12:14Oh, Kenny was a bit...
12:15I think Maya's probably a faithful.
12:17I don't think James Acaster is a traitor.
12:21They're all traitors and they're all faithful.
12:24Right.
12:25I'm going to put you out of your misery, Joe.
12:26We have a scroll here.
12:29These are the traitor names.
12:31That's for you.
12:36Dun, da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, dun-dum.
12:41Kenny!
12:46Shocked by Kenny.
12:48Oh.
12:50I am shocked by Kenny.
12:52Didn't have any suspicions of Kenny?
12:54No.
12:56That's fair, you're allowed to say no, you didn't.
13:00You ready for your next name, Joe?
13:02Dun, da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-dum, dun-dum.
13:07James Acaster!
13:08Oh, my God.
13:10I had no idea what was going on, did I?
13:15I had no idea.
13:17So James is doing a good job.
13:19He's doing a really good job.
13:21Because he seems like such a nice faithful.
13:24Oh, my God.
13:27I mean, is the next name, like, Claudia or something?
13:30It's just going to be like, I have no idea.
13:32Well, you've got one more fold there, Joe.
13:35One more person to see.
13:36Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum.
13:39Dum, dum, dum, dum.
13:43Um...
13:44Maya.
13:48Oh, my God.
13:50They're never going to find them.
13:52I need a drink.
13:54Do you want one?
13:56It's real whiskey.
13:58Do you want one?
14:11Well, that's a perfect time to wrap it up then, Joe.
14:13Thank you so much.
14:14You've been absolutely wonderful.
14:16That is mind blown.
14:18Wow, wow, wow.
14:21Well, National Treasure Joe Lycett sends his apologies.
14:24He can't make Uncloaked today, but he sent us this message.
14:29Hi, Ed and the Uncloaked team.
14:31Sorry I can't be there, but I'm trapped in the Lycett Arms,
14:33my fictional pub.
14:36I had a lovely time on The Traitors.
14:38I would describe my experience in three words as...
14:43..a missed opportunity.
14:46Basically, shouldn't have run around begging to be recruited,
14:49should I?
14:50But I would like to have been recruited,
14:52and if that could be arranged soon,
14:55I'm still up for it, basically.
14:58Any, like, recruited for anything, really,
15:00just any sort of recruitment company,
15:02if they want to get in touch, I'm very much available.
15:05Have a good rest of the series, everyone,
15:07and please...
15:09Recruit me!
15:11Please!
15:13Give it up for Joe Lycett, everyone.
15:16Well done, Joe.
15:17He seemed very surprised about James A and Maya
15:21when they were revealed to him.
15:22Because they are playing a brilliant game.
15:23Yeah, that shows the state of the castle, I think.
15:26Yeah.
15:26Yeah, it's a good compliment.
15:27And you think when Kenny went up, though,
15:28and he was recruited, how shocked he was as well.
15:30Yeah.
15:31That it was Maya and James.
15:32Like, no-one is onto them.
15:33Why do you think they're finding it so difficult to spot them?
15:36Because they've already got two,
15:37and both, you know, James and Maya were both involved
15:41in the exits of those two traitors, so how?
15:44But also, the other two have been so obvious, you know.
15:47Richard announced himself,
15:48and Hannah, because of her reputation,
15:50they were always going to come for her, weren't they?
15:52Yeah.
15:53I think that the issue is,
15:55it's the faithfuls that behave in so crazy,
15:58that the traitors haven't really had to do anything.
16:01But James said that.
16:02He said, I don't think we need to do anything.
16:04They don't need to do anything.
16:05It's going to happen.
16:05Just sit back, let it happen.
16:07Yeah.
16:07And I think because of Richard...
16:09Yes.
16:09He said his presence is so obvious.
16:11And the celebs also don't want to seem silly,
16:13and they're kind of like,
16:14well, really obvious things have happened in this show,
16:15and it's been blinder or...
16:17Yes, they have.
16:18Really obvious traitors have been ignored for weeks
16:20by some faithfuls.
16:22You did, to be fair,
16:23you didn't have anyone as obvious as Richard E.
16:25We did.
16:26Jonathan was that obvious.
16:27He wasn't saying I'm a traitor.
16:29He was walking in wearing a cloak.
16:31Like, he dressed...
16:33That's his style.
16:36He's been dressing like that for years,
16:38you know that.
16:39Well, Joanne also came under fire this episode.
16:42On the way to the mission,
16:43Kenny brought up the fact that Joanne didn't vote for Hannah,
16:46even though she thought Hannah was a traitor.
16:48Here's how that played out.
16:50Hannah, I just couldn't write her name.
16:51Even though I knew she was a traitor.
16:53Oh, really?
16:54Of course I knew.
16:55If you knew she was a traitor,
16:56why didn't you put her name?
16:57Everyone's going to vote for her anyway.
16:58She was going to go.
17:01Joanne, come on.
17:02She was going to go.
17:03I don't...
17:03See, that's not someone who's Team Faithful.
17:06She's a faithful.
17:08Like, this is how she's behaving,
17:09as a faithful.
17:10Yeah.
17:10It's so weird.
17:11I love Kenny jumping on that as well.
17:13Going like,
17:14this is not how you play as a faithful.
17:16And he's just grinning like,
17:17I'm being such a good traitor right now.
17:20Do we think Joanne is a bad faithful,
17:22as Kenny was suggesting there?
17:24She has been confidently wrong a few times,
17:27so I think she does make sure to share her opinion
17:29and kind of put out arguments that ultimately aren't correct.
17:32But at least she's trying.
17:33She's giving it her best shot.
17:35Yeah, I like that she thinks out loud.
17:37I mean, it's not for the best of it,
17:38but ultimately what people should be doing
17:40is bouncing thoughts and theories off of each other.
17:43And so in that spirit,
17:44whilst the execution hasn't been great,
17:46I think she's fine.
17:46She's trying to be helpful.
17:47Yeah.
17:47She made this big slip-up about
17:49somehow suggesting that she was at the hide-and-seek.
17:52Oh, God.
17:52Yeah, it was faster, yeah.
17:53And that was a bad slip-up.
17:55And that was honestly an awful experience.
17:59It was horrible.
18:00It was...
18:04I wasn't there, but I heard it was...
18:06I was watching from my place.
18:09Oh!
18:11Oh!
18:12Oh!
18:13Oh, my lantern.
18:15Great joke, Joanne.
18:18And I saw what she was trying to say.
18:19She was trying to say that did sound awful.
18:21Yeah.
18:21But she suggested she was there.
18:23Yeah.
18:23Yeah.
18:24How difficult is it, Ellie, in those situations,
18:26when you see someone make a slip-up like that,
18:28to get it out of your head or forget about it?
18:30Oh, really, really difficult.
18:32Because you're grasping at straws,
18:34because so much information is flying at you,
18:36it's just something tangible to grab hold of.
18:38And unfortunately, Joanne's done it twice, hasn't she?
18:40Because she said,
18:41oh, it looked horrible, like she was watching it,
18:44and then in the car,
18:45I know Hannah was a traitor,
18:47or I knew Hannah was a traitor.
18:48And you're like, twice?
18:49Yeah.
18:49Come on!
18:50I know.
18:51But sometimes,
18:52comedy is a really good cloak,
18:54and I will use Alan Carr as a great example here,
18:57of someone who pretty much said,
18:58I'm a traitor,
18:58and everyone thought,
18:59oh, it's just Alan.
19:00He's being funny, it's fine.
19:01And if she continues to be funny,
19:03she may get away with this.
19:05True.
19:05What was fascinating about Joanne's slip-up
19:07is when she said,
19:08oh, it was awful.
19:10It's so different to when Richard slipped up.
19:13Because when Richard said,
19:14I'm a traitor,
19:14I think if Joanne had said that,
19:16everyone would have laughed.
19:16But when Richard said it,
19:18everyone was just staring at him.
19:19Joanne made that slip-up,
19:20and everyone went,
19:20oh, like that.
19:22This is the show of the world.
19:22They weren't taking it seriously.
19:24Yeah.
19:25Jerry also named Joanne as a potential traitor,
19:27but she's got her suspicions about James Blunt too.
19:31I still think James Blunt's up there.
19:35I mean, you know,
19:36he's pretty smooth.
19:39Like butter dripping off of hot corn.
19:43She is the queen of the one-liners,
19:46isn't she?
19:46She's my favourite.
19:47I'm not supposed to have favourites.
19:48Yeah, yeah, she's amazing.
19:49If she starts referring to him as Blunt Man,
19:52imagine Blunt Man.
19:54Did you see him in his action man outfit?
19:56Do we think Jerry's doing a good job of finding traitors,
19:59or is it just all about the one-liners?
20:01She's just chaos.
20:02She's just lovely chaos.
20:04I think she's kind of like just cruising along being herself.
20:07She's kind of like part of the furniture.
20:08She's almost doing a little bit Alan Carr,
20:10where she's like totally unique.
20:11That's just Jerry being Jerry,
20:13head in the clouds.
20:14And it's like, she's surviving.
20:15People like hanging out with her.
20:16People like hanging out with her.
20:17So they're never going to say,
20:18oh, I think it's you because of this.
20:20Well, no, her biggest problem right now
20:21is does she yawn or not?
20:23Does she yawn?
20:24She's out, man.
20:25But she's trailing that line so well
20:27where she's not super clearly a faithful,
20:30but you're not thinking she's a traitor either.
20:32So I think she's going to go quite far,
20:33if she doesn't get murdered by...
20:34If she doesn't yawn.
20:35I can't imagine that people...
20:36Yeah, I mean, if she yawns,
20:38then she's absolutely doomed, isn't she?
20:39That's it.
20:39Unless a whole load more come into that room
20:41at the beginning of the next programme.
20:43There's such huge characters.
20:44There's not much sand left in the thingy.
20:46Oh, yeah, you're true.
20:47I know.
20:48I'm on edge here.
20:53Really fun mission.
20:54Obviously, it's designed to sort of play
20:56with their perception of each other
20:57and worry people a little bit.
20:59Who is the head of the round table?
21:02The choice is Joe or me.
21:04On the one hand, you know, that's lovely, I guess.
21:09But on the other hand, I'm thinking,
21:10what does that mean?
21:11And does that leave me vulnerable now?
21:13Ross, should he be worried
21:14to have that sort of title put on him?
21:16Usually, yes.
21:17Because typically, any big characters
21:20or people with big perceptions,
21:21like Hannah, to be fair,
21:22because people thought she was so intelligent,
21:24they're like, well, how could you not be killed
21:25because you're so intelligent?
21:27Whereas, this lot, I think they're a bit too divided.
21:30So, I actually think Michael's fine in this scenario here,
21:34because they've not got to the stage.
21:36We've got too many people that are higher priority
21:39in the chopping look.
21:40And he hasn't got a big dog reputation
21:42in the same way that people from last season
21:45of Celebrity have, I think.
21:46Yeah, no, I agree.
21:47I quite enjoy the self-identification things,
21:50you know, of who is head in the clouds, for example.
21:52And on our series, it was,
21:54who's the most two-faced?
21:55And Celia just went, I am.
21:58I got most popular.
22:01That's gone well.
22:03Two episodes later, I'm gone.
22:06Well, that's it.
22:06You sort of worry about that, don't you?
22:08Don't want it.
22:09Julie was voted most trustworthy.
22:11And then a few episodes later...
22:12And Jo was the other one most trustworthy.
22:14Well, she gave him the shield, didn't she?
22:15She gave him the shield, yeah.
22:16And they're gone.
22:17Yeah, gone.
22:18I think any title like that,
22:19it almost advertises to the traitors
22:21exactly what people think
22:22and, like, where you're...
22:23So, like, if they want to go,
22:25er, let's stir up the pot,
22:26we'll just get rid of the leader.
22:27So, Michael's going to go.
22:28Or we're going to do this.
22:29So, Miranda's going to go.
22:30They have got, like, a really nice blueprint
22:32of who they should kill and when.
22:34Yeah.
22:34Is that what you'd do?
22:35You'd be, like, straight after Michael
22:37after you find out he's headed the round table?
22:38If he wasn't really close to me,
22:40and, like, if he was, like,
22:41maybe mentioning my name every now and again,
22:43I'd be like, let's get him gone.
22:44Yeah.
22:46With, like, these people
22:47that kind of have commanding roles
22:49unless they're on your side.
22:50So, this is where, like,
22:52the Kenny recruitment is genius
22:54because, like, she's recruited
22:55quite possibly the best faithful.
22:57Yeah.
22:58I think it'd be smart to get rid of Michael now
23:00because we've not yet had
23:02full-throated, full-hearted Michael Sheen
23:04at the round table.
23:05Yeah, yeah.
23:05You know when it's, like,
23:06really big Michael Sheen.
23:08Like Mark Bonner was.
23:09Yeah.
23:09We've not had that full Shakespearean monologue
23:11from Michael yet.
23:12Yeah.
23:12And that could be very powerful.
23:13So, I think he's holding back at the moment
23:14just biding his time
23:15getting ready to pass the cage.
23:17But he won't ever be banished
23:19because it just kind of feels like
23:21it can't be Michael.
23:23Yeah.
23:23Do you know what I mean?
23:23I think if he goes,
23:24it'll be by murder.
23:26I think the same with Miranda.
23:27Yeah.
23:27So, they're just firmly on that list of,
23:29well, if we want to kind of kill someone,
23:31we'll go and kill them
23:31if we've got too much heat.
23:33Yeah.
23:33So, yeah, he's in a tricky position
23:34because of that.
23:35Well, we're wrapping up soon,
23:36but, Paul, who do you think is the biggest threat
23:38to your beloved traitors?
23:41Erm...
23:42Gosh, I can't see any of them being too threatening
23:44at the moment
23:44because they're all sort of...
23:47Who's a threat to...
23:48Miranda Marple!
23:49I don't think Miranda's going after Maya.
23:52No, true.
23:53Or Kenny.
23:53Kenny's her best mate.
23:55Ross Kemp.
23:55Ross Kemp's going to hunt them down.
23:57The Kempster.
23:57I don't think anyone believes him.
23:58This is the traitor's game to lose.
24:01Yeah.
24:01So far.
24:02And you're loving it, aren't you?
24:03Oh, I'm revelling in it.
24:05Disgusting, man.
24:06Well, that's all we have time for,
24:07but the chat continues in our extra bonus episode.
24:10We're getting into castle life,
24:11those all-important missions,
24:12and putting Claire, Ellie, Ross and Paul
24:14through their paces with some quick-fire questions.
24:17Listen now to our bonus episode
24:18of the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked
24:20in your BBC Sounds app,
24:21or just scan the QR code on screen.
24:23And if you think you've got what it takes
24:25to be a traitor or a faithful,
24:26then head to bbc.co.uk forward slash take part
24:29to apply for series six.
24:31We'll be back next Thursday straight after episode seven,
24:34when we'll find out if the traitors pulled off
24:36their latest murder in plain sight.
24:38A massive thanks to Claire, Paul, Ross and Ellie
24:40for joining me.
24:41I'm Ed Gamble.
24:42Stay faithful.
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24:51in RuPaul's Drag Race UK on BBC iPlayer,
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25:00Watch now.