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00:08Welcome, my name is Agata Todorov and this is The Ring, Euronews Weekly Debate Show.
00:15We are broadcasting straight from Warsaw, Poland, one of the fastest growing economies in Europe
00:21and very important player in the EU's security landscape.
00:26So, is Poland becoming a new economic leader or still catching up with the West?
00:32Let's get into it.
00:35Poland has changed dramatically over the past three decades.
00:39Once seen as one of Europe's poorer economies, it is now among the EU's fastest growing
00:44countries and its economic weight is increasingly being felt across Europe.
00:49The country has benefited from EU membership, foreign investment and the expansion of its
00:54domestic businesses, but its growth has also been supported by rising public spending,
00:58including on defense, infrastructure and social programs.
01:02Now Poland faces a different question, is the model sustainable?
01:06The country is trying to maintain rapid growth while dealing with a large budget deficit,
01:11high defense spending and pressure to modernize its economy.
01:14At the same time, the war in Ukraine and tensions with Russia are giving Poland a bigger strategic
01:19role.
01:20Its position on NATO's eastern flank could create new opportunities for investment, particularly
01:25in defense and infrastructure, but it also comes with higher security costs.
01:30What is truly driving Poland's economic rise?
01:33And can the country leverage its growing financial and military weight into lasting influence
01:37in Europe?
01:42About Polish economy and other very important topics, I will talk with Michał Szerba from
01:47EPP and Michał Kobosko from Renew Europe.
01:51Let's meet them.
01:53Michał Szerba, a Polish MEP from the Central Right European People's Party.
01:58He has served in the European Parliament since 2019 and is a member of the Committee on Foreign
02:03Affairs and the Committee on Security and Defense.
02:05A former long-serving member of the Polish Parliament, he has focused on European security,
02:10transatlantic relations and support for Ukraine.
02:12He said, Poland's economic strength and its security are increasingly connected.
02:17A strong economy gives us the ability to invest in defense and play a greater role in
02:22Europe.
02:23Michał Kobosko, a Polish MEP from the Liberal Renew Europe Group.
02:27He has a background in journalism and business and has been involved in Polish and European
02:31politics for more than a decade.
02:33In the European Parliament, he focuses on foreign affairs, security and economic issues.
02:38He said, Poland's economic success is a result of long-term development, European integration
02:44and the strength of Polish entrepreneurs, but the next challenge is making that growth sustainable.
02:57So, gentlemen, let's start with the main topic of today's debate, which is Polish economy.
03:05Why, in your opinion, Poland is Europe's success?
03:11We are working hard also in the European Parliament with Michał and other colleagues, but first of all,
03:17it's because of the Polish people, it's about Polish enterprises, but also the current government, which created a lot of
03:26opportunities to allow our employers, our enterprises to use the EU funds.
03:35And, of course, we are looking with a hope to the next MFF, which will be extremely important for Poland
03:43because of the defense industry, because of the resilience, but also tools to competitiveness.
03:51Pols are very specific, our nation, we are very dynamic, very entrepreneurial, and we are, let's say, hungry for success.
04:00And we were kept, that was not our real, it was not our choice, we were kept behind the iron
04:05curtain for almost half a century.
04:08And after, you know, we became free again, we wanted to catch up as soon as possible with the West,
04:14with other countries, with the UK, with France, with Germany, with Italy.
04:19These were our benchmarks, and we were working hard, and obviously the decisive moment was when we first joined the
04:26NATO, and then joined the EU.
04:28This is the moment where we started really to become part of the international family, and we started using the
04:35EU funds, and we were using them in a proper way.
04:39What is Poland still doing economically wrong?
04:43Well, when you look at the state of the public finance, the public deficit that we are having in Poland,
04:50we are not the worst in class.
04:52But much has to be done to improve our figures, because we know that we are in a bit challenging,
05:01I would say, or dangerous path right now with our state budget and budget deficits.
05:06So the public finance is definitely the area where much can be and should be improved.
05:12Another area, and this is when we talk to entrepreneurs, is that, you know, the conditions in which they operate
05:18should be visibly improved.
05:21I mean, the predictability, the stability of the legal system, stability of the fiscal, of the tax system in Poland.
05:29And there are lots of things also that were kind of over-regulated in Poland.
05:34So we need simplification and deregulation on the European level and on the Polish level as well.
05:40I would like also to come back to the Polish presidency of the Council.
05:46It's very important that Poland was able to push the main idea, which is security Europe,
05:52which also means that our next budget, multi-annual budget, has to concentrate on the security, defense, resilience and space
06:03policy.
06:04This is extremely important to have this new tool of European Competitiveness Fund,
06:10also the instrument connecting Europe and a lot of money which we can use on military mobility and dual-use
06:19infrastructure.
06:20Do you think Poland is still catching up with the West?
06:25Or maybe we are now stronger when it comes to the economy than our Western neighbors?
06:30Well, the figures, the statistics are objective.
06:33And the figures clearly present that Poland today is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe.
06:40So we are much faster, growing much faster than, for example, the whole Eurozone and its member states.
06:46So that's showing you that Poland is a leader already.
06:50However, let's be frank, we need to catch up.
06:54Because, as I said in the beginning, we didn't have a choice.
06:58Right now, when we have a choice, we have a clear vision.
07:01And the clear vision is not only to catch up.
07:04The clear vision is to become a leader, one of the key leading countries and agenda-setting countries in the
07:11European Union,
07:12not only Central and Eastern Europe, but for the whole of the Union.
07:16Gentlemen, let's move towards the next very important subject, which is security and war in Ukraine.
07:24So I would like to ask you first, because Poland is spending almost 5% of its GDP on defense
07:31while maintaining also other social spending, for example.
07:35So do you think nowadays a country can afford it?
07:40Yes, I think that security is a new drive of the EU.
07:45And also Poland is pushing this subject to our European debate and European preparation for the next budget.
07:56But of course, we are quite sure what we have to do.
08:00First of all, defense spending.
08:03I think our government has adopted a draft of the new budget for 2027.
08:08Again, 5% of GDP.
08:12Again, 200 billion zloty on defense.
08:21So it is just the indicator how we treat this issue seriously.
08:25But of course, we also use the safe instrument, the European loans very effectively.
08:34And what is important, it's not only about expenditure.
08:37It's not about spending.
08:39It's about a real investment in our defense capabilities.
08:43We are living in the eastern flank of NATO and of the EU.
08:47We know what the threats are, what the danger could be.
08:51So we also want to invest in our military mobility infrastructure, strategic corridors, but also hotspots.
08:59We need to strengthen like bridges, railway, roads and so on.
09:06So this is exactly what we know.
09:08We know exactly what to do.
09:11All right.
09:12So do you agree with Michał Sczerba that security is a priority?
09:16Well, let me perhaps add that it's not that we love investments into security that much.
09:22It's not that we do not have other needs or other ways to spend the public money, the taxpayers' money.
09:29It's just that we feel, and this is kind of a general feeling across the society, that we do not
09:35have other choice.
09:36We have to modernize the army.
09:38We have to modernize this infrastructure.
09:40We have to invest in dual-use solutions across the economy, not to prepare the country for the war, but
09:47to deter the aggressor,
09:49so that the Russians would not even start thinking about invading Poland or starting any kind of direct aggression against
09:57us.
09:57That's the whole thing.
09:59And this is one thing that is really common across the society, whether you are on the left side, right
10:05side, in the center.
10:06There's an understanding in Poland that the threat, the clear and present danger that Russia continues to present is a
10:16very clear reality that we have to face.
10:20All right.
10:20So we are just getting started and turning the heat up because it's time for round two, gloves off.
10:31In this round, we would like to bring the spirit of the European Parliament here to our studio.
10:37This is why you have a chance to ask each other questions.
10:42Short questions, short answers.
10:44Let's start with your question to Michał Szczerba.
10:48Michał Szczerba, perhaps, I don't know if you share my view.
10:52I have this feeling that we've been a member of the European Union for 22 years already.
10:59And I have this feeling that we are not sufficiently represented or presenting our views, our ideas in Brussels, in
11:09Strasbourg,
11:09that our voice is not loud enough.
11:12Do you share this view or do you believe that we are where we should be?
11:16I really appreciate your work.
11:18And also I work hard at my committees, which are, first of all, Security and Defense Committee, a new one
11:25in the European Parliament.
11:26But I agree with you that just before the next MFF, it's not only yours and mine activity in the
11:37European Parliament.
11:37It's also a time for Polish enterprises to be really prepared to use the new tools, which we will deliver,
11:48like European Competitiveness Fund,
11:50with four main windows, including security, defense and space.
11:57So we know how to use the money.
12:00We approved this and we approved the projects, but also we make the best use of the safe instrument.
12:08But now it will be much more complicated because we have to compete with other companies, with other, let's say,
12:16governments with the best project that will contribute to common defense and capabilities.
12:24So now it's time for your question to Michal Koboszko.
12:28I would like to ask you a question about the next year, because it's 2027.
12:36We have elections in Poland, in France, of course, your political group is connected to President Macron and to his
12:46party.
12:47We have Italy, we have Spain.
12:49How important this year will be for the European unity and what we can expect?
12:57Well, definitely I will not surprise you saying that this is going to be a decisive year for Europe and
13:04not for only for the next year, but for the coming years and decades.
13:09Because these elections and the outcome will tell us what kind of direction Europe will choose, meaning the key countries
13:19of the European Union that you mentioned, Poland, France, Spain, Italy, also some elections in regional elections in Germany as
13:29well.
13:30So these things are happening and will be happening next year regarding Poland, because that's a key issue for us.
13:37In our case, this will be election, a kind of a black and white election.
13:42So either Poland will go this way or that way.
13:45I'd love for Poland to keep our pro-European, pro-Western direction and not to be redirected into kind of
13:54a, I would say, a gray zone that some of our colleagues, especially from the far right, are dreaming of.
14:00There is no place in Europe nowadays for a gray zone.
14:04You have to be on the right side or you're on the evil side.
14:09There is a chance to ask Michał Szczerba one more question.
14:13So please go ahead.
14:15Michał, do you believe in the idea of the European Army, simply?
14:19Because there are conversations whether the NATO will be the same as it is today, whether Americans will stay or
14:26will leave.
14:27Do you believe that we might be going into the direction of forming our own European Armed Forces?
14:33I would like to quote Polish general, General Błazeusz, who is a Polish representative to the EU and NATO.
14:42He said NATO defends the EU facilitates.
14:46So I agree with him.
14:48So NATO is a most successful political and military alliance in the history.
14:56And we have to strengthen the organization.
14:59Our also contingency plans we have on the eastern flank.
15:04But the EU has a special role to play with infrastructure, with dual use rule as a standard for all
15:16investments.
15:17When we are talking and discussing, also Michał is helping with this, with our metro development in Warsaw.
15:25So each of these can be used also as a good space to secure people in the times of crisis.
15:33So the EU coming back to regulation on military mobility, on defensive simplification for the industry and budget has a
15:45lot to play.
15:46So to make it equal, please a short question.
15:49Oh.
15:50To Kowoska, a short answer.
15:52Okay, how do you find the European Commission in the frames of defense readiness?
16:02We have a new commissioner, Andrius Kobilius.
16:05We have a plan.
16:07We will have a European Security Council.
16:09We will have a new European Security Strategy.
16:12But do you think what we can do better or more deeper?
16:16Well, I would say my answer would be short, as we promised.
16:20But also a bit more general, not only related to the security issues.
16:25I mean, I believe that we had this commission for over two years.
16:29And we saw a number of different documents, programs, and so on being delivered on time by the commission.
16:38So we cannot criticize them for that.
16:41It's just that the issues, the ideas, the solutions they are proposing are not being implemented yet.
16:48And we have a huge problem of the implementation, generally speaking, in the European project.
16:54that we are not, you know, we are pretty smart in Europe.
16:59I believe so.
17:00It's just that, you know, decision-making process is a terrible process in the European Union.
17:06You know how long it takes in the European Parliament to reach a consensus, to reach a compromise.
17:11But then you have to talk to the commission, then you have to talk to the member states.
17:16And it's sometimes it's a bureaucratic nightmare.
17:19So this is our weak point.
17:20All right.
17:21So we've heard what the guests have to say.
17:24Now it's time to bring the third voice into the debate.
17:31I want to bring in Radoslav Sikorsky, who is a minister of foreign affairs of Poland, who said in Kiev,
17:41If Russia attacked us and we took the gloves off, we would defeat Russia fairly quickly.
17:47We have overwhelming air superiority.
17:50If the Ukrainians managed to take half of Russia's refining capacity offline within six months, we could do it in
17:58six weeks.
18:00Do you agree with what Radoslav Sikorsky said about Polish capacity to defeat Russia quickly if under attack?
18:08Michal Kobosko first.
18:08Well, I believe that minister Sikorsky's words meant not only he was not only talking on behalf of Poland.
18:17He was talking on behalf of the Western alliance on allied countries, the NATO allies.
18:25Because, yes, we as a community, international Western community, we are much stronger than Russia.
18:32However, I have to say, not a single European NATO member would be able to effectively defend itself without the
18:42help and without the cooperation with other allies.
18:45That's the reality to it.
18:47This is why the international cooperation in the defense and security area matters so much, that we are stronger together.
18:55Not that we are weak alone, it's just that we are much stronger together.
19:01Do you agree with Michal Kobosko on that?
19:03Yes, I also believe in the EU-NATO partnership interoperability.
19:08I also really keen on EU security and defense partnerships with the like-minded countries like the UK, Norway, or
19:20Canada.
19:20We have so good relations with this country, but, of course, we have to deter, we have to be prepared,
19:32to be ready, and if something will happen, I hope no, will not, we have to react with courage and
19:42assertivity.
19:43Okay, we'll take a short break in the ring, but please stay with us, because we'll come back with much
19:50more.
20:00Welcome back to the special edition of The Ring, broadcasting from Warsaw.
20:05So, my name is Agata Todorov, and I'm joined by Michal Szczerba from EPP and Michal Kobosko from Renew Europe.
20:14Gentlemen, let's come back to the main topic of today's debate, which is Polish economy.
20:19So, GDP growth of this year is around 3.5% and the deficit 6.5% up to 7
20:28% of GDP.
20:29So, the main question to you is how Poland can remain an economic power with such large budget deficit, Michal
20:39Szczerba?
20:39You know, of course, the GDP growth is amazing, and we should continue to do so with, of course, our
20:50businesses and the government supports the development and also delivers the EU money.
21:00But we have to also inform our, the people who are watching us, that it's not one party government, first
21:12of all, but what is more complicated,
21:15within the executive power, we also have the position of the president.
21:22It's not easy co-abitation, it's not very easy cooperation between the government and the president.
21:29So, we are trying to fix the budget deficit, but I can tell you that the president is not supporting
21:39government in all of its actions.
21:42So, this is a challenge for the next month.
21:45Do you see more challenges here?
21:47Well, definitely, this is a serious challenge ahead of us, because the growth, the development of Poland is amazing,
21:54and many people, our colleagues in the European Parliament, coming from other member states, are saying, wow, Poland is fantastic,
22:02because some of them are, you know, zero growth, one percent growth, while we are close to four.
22:07So, that's, that's pretty impressive, but obviously, always there is a price.
22:12And if we invest, and as we said, we have to invest a lot into defense and security, we are
22:19more indebted than we were before.
22:21I mean, we have to issue new bonds, and we have to repay old bonds.
22:26I know that this is one of the key issues of our coalition government, and our minister of finance, that
22:33he's dealing with,
22:34because the European Union is watching us very closely.
22:38We have the special procedure in the EU for the high deficit countries, and we are part of that.
22:45And we have, you know, a very limited time to improve the state of our public finance.
22:50I know that we will do that, because we can, but there's always a price to pay.
22:56What should be the priority for Poland?
22:59Should it be our growth, GDP growth, and economic growth, or should it be maybe decreasing our budget deficit?
23:08Michał Szczarba?
23:09I would concentrate on growth and development, first of all, because we have challenges.
23:16That's why we need to invest in our defense industry, to scale production, to make the best use of Ukrainian
23:30experience,
23:33and to be ready in different forms.
23:36So I would concentrate on this issue first of all.
23:41Do you agree here?
23:43Well, the levels of the public debt, this is always a problem for every and each country.
23:48And Poland is not the worst case.
23:51Also among the EU member states, there are many countries that are more indebted than Poland.
23:59So let me be a bit controversial, but perhaps the time will come to change the rules also across the
24:06EU.
24:06There are some numbers, some statistics, some thresholds, which were pretty normal and generally understood and accepted across the member
24:17states.
24:17Perhaps in these times, which are very far from normality, we should change the rules that oblige all member states
24:27to go the same line when it comes to the deficit numbers.
24:31No country can go forever, you know, borrowing more and more and more because this is going sooner or later
24:40to the crisis, as we had in the case of Greece, Italy and other countries.
24:44So we have to have good benchmarks and we have to apply good medicines to also to our public finance.
24:53But you have to remember, these are different times.
24:56This time is really different.
24:57We have an aggressor is from us.
25:00We have a very difficult situation also in the relations between Europe and the United States.
25:05So we have to face it and we have to have money to simply cover the costs of the of
25:12the reality.
25:13All right.
25:14It's time to move to our final round and that will be yes or no round.
25:23So in this round, I'm going to ask you a series of questions, short questions and short answers.
25:30Only yes or no.
25:31Is that easy?
25:32No, it's never easy.
25:34All right.
25:35So let's get started.
25:37Is Poland an economic success story?
25:40Yes.
25:41Yes.
25:42Is Poland still economically dependent on Germany?
25:46In a way, yes.
25:48I would say no.
25:50All right.
25:51Should Poland join the Eurozone within the next decade?
25:55I believe so, yes.
25:56I hope.
25:59All right.
25:59Not yes or no answer.
26:01Yes, I hope.
26:01Would you vote against the EU-Mercosur agreement?
26:07No.
26:10Yes.
26:12Okay.
26:14Is the Green Deal too expensive for Polish farmers?
26:18Today, yes.
26:20Yes.
26:21All right.
26:22Will the war in Ukraine ultimately make Poland stronger?
26:29Well, yes.
26:31Look, what's happening in Ukraine is obviously horrible.
26:36And you cannot say that once, you know, they are unhappy, we will be happier than we are right now.
26:41It's just that because we are investing a lot in, for example, security-related issues, yes, as a country we
26:49will be stronger.
26:49We are stronger because we invest in our security, we treat it seriously, and it's a time to speed up
27:00in different areas of security resilience.
27:07It's also very good for the democratic resilience of the country.
27:12I have the last question for you, and I think that is the best question.
27:16Would you trust the other guests to be Poland's finance minister?
27:20Yes, I would.
27:22Yes, I would, but I'm not applying for this position.
27:25All right.
27:26That brings us to the end of today's episode of The Ring.
27:31Michał Czerwant, Michał Koboszko, thank you for joining me.
27:36Thank you for watching, and see you next time on Euronews.
27:39See you next time on Euronews.