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Mercosur, India e UE: Le ambizioni commerciali incontrano resistenza politica nel Ring
Nella puntata di questa settimana di The Ring, gli eurodeputati Warborn (PPE) e Mullooly (Renew Europe) si confrontano in un acceso dibattito sull'accordo UE-Mercosur, in seguito alla decisione del Parlamento di deferirlo alla Corte di giustizia dell'Unione europea.
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Nella puntata di questa settimana di The Ring, gli eurodeputati Warborn (PPE) e Mullooly (Renew Europe) si confrontano in un acceso dibattito sull'accordo UE-Mercosur, in seguito alla decisione del Parlamento di deferirlo alla Corte di giustizia dell'Unione europea.
ALTRE INFORMAZIONI : http://it.euronews.com/2026/01/29/mercosur-india-e-ue-le-ambizioni-commerciali-incontrano-resistenza-politica-nel-ring
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05:25I mean, it's in for the rebalancing mechanism, as you mentioned, one of the most important.
05:30Apart from you, it is actually in the agreement.
05:33But they want it to be reviewed.
05:35Obviously...
05:36So why did you want to review it?
05:38Members of Parliament asked...
05:39Members of Parliament...
05:40...are asked to come forward and to represent their constituents.
05:44The industries in France...
05:45...and in Poland and in Ireland said...
05:47We don't. We want to see a proper legal review.
05:49So, if you read...
05:50Article 211410C, you will see the rebalancing mechanism out there.
05:55Have you read that article?
05:56I guess you didn't.
05:57No, I haven't. But I've looked at the previous...
05:58That's right. That's why you voted the way you did.
05:59I looked at the precedence.
06:00That's sort of been suggested as precedence.
06:02In the precedence cases, there were previous trade agreements with the European...
06:05Union.
06:06There's no previous trade agreement with regards to the Mercosur countries.
06:08And in those circumstances, it's in order that we do this.
06:10We haven't used it before. I agree with that. But it's also within all the WTO rules.
06:15And since it's in the agreement, which you obviously haven't read...
06:20You still voted to send it for legal checks.
06:23Because I represent my country and the industry...
06:25in my country, the same way as the French in Bordeaux and Paris and Warsaw say,
06:28we want illegal...
06:30review of this agreement.
06:31What are you afraid of, Jürgen?
06:32Are you afraid it will come back?
06:33I'm afraid.
06:34That it will not come back at all?
06:35No, no.
06:36What are you afraid of?
06:37What are your fears?
06:38I'm afraid of losing...
06:40economic development.
06:42I'm afraid of losing jobs in Europe.
06:45I'm afraid of the small business owners.
06:48I'm afraid of all that growth that you...
06:50Europe needs in this moment.
06:51My issue...
06:52One of the big issues I have with this deal is the scale of it.
06:55It's over-racist.
06:56It's over-stated.
06:57I'm pro-trade.
06:58I'm in favour of the EU India...
07:00trade agreement.
07:01I was cheering yesterday morning.
07:02Why?
07:03Because of the scale of it.
07:04We're talking about a...
07:05in this country with 1.5 billion people, as opposed to...
07:08But...
07:09So with 300 million people.
07:10We're talking about a country with limited trade opportunities, as opposed to India, which
07:14has shown...
07:15to trade.
07:16These are totally different situations.
07:17You're afraid they won't come back.
07:19The scale is now...
07:20It's not there, Jürgen.
07:21I'm not really worried.
07:22Oh, the scale is definitely there.
07:24It's 200...
07:25And 70 million consumers in the Mercosur countries...
07:28A million and a half...
07:29No, but I'd like...
07:30I'd like to have both.
07:31I'd like to have both.
07:32We have US pressing us with terrorists.
07:34We have China...
07:35pressing us with subsidies.
07:37And you are choosing one agreement.
07:39I'm choosing two.
07:40And you...
07:41You say, well, it's not enough growth, but it's still growth.
07:43And Kieran, are you not worried about the...
07:45EU's relevance on the global stage?
07:47EU has to be relevant.
07:49We have to do...
07:50We have to do trade deals.
07:51But I want to...
07:52But by delaying the deal, we're laughing so...
07:53I want to trade where countries may.
07:54I want to trade with countries that are...
07:55that are not cutting down the rainforest.
07:57I want to trade with countries that do not have a major...
08:00issue with regard to food quality and food safety.
08:02I want to trade...
08:03But did you not read the fine print of the safeguards?
08:05Don't talk to me about safeguards.
08:06We really discussed safeguards with regard to the...
08:08Let's talk about the safeguards.
08:10In a European context, let's look at the safeguards.
08:12We've had tremendous agreements in this House going over the last number of...
08:15years.
08:16Do you remember the EU-Israel trade agreement?
08:17We had a marvellous safeguard in Article 2 which said if...
08:20many of the parties were particularly guilty in terms of breach of human rights.
08:25there was going to be a problem.
08:26I wonder, has Israel actually breached Article 2?
08:28Do most people in the UN think they have...
08:30Have you seen the safeguard cut in?
08:31Have we suspended the agreement, Jurgen?
08:33Why haven't we suspended...
08:34That was a safeguard.
08:35It was never implemented.
08:36What happened to that?
08:37Are you mindful of these concerns?
08:39It's the strongest...
08:40Safeguards in any trade agreements.
08:43Okay?
08:44It's not been strong...
08:45It doesn't work.
08:46It doesn't work.
08:47Any.
08:48Yeah.
08:49Okay?
08:50So...
08:50There is a 5% if the price increases by more than 5%...
08:55And the volume increases by more than 5%...
08:59Farmers are protected.
09:00And that's not only the protection for farmers...
09:03In what period of time will they be protected?
09:04It's also the tariff rate...
09:05Who will ring the bell?
09:06When will they be protected?
09:07Next year?
09:08This year?
09:09Following year?
09:10Well...
09:10And...
09:11That's also the thing.
09:12This is unprecedented...
09:13Absolutely.
09:14When it comes to...
09:15To the safeguards...
09:16How fast they will kick in.
09:17So nobody knows.
09:18Is the answer.
09:1925...
09:2021 days?
09:21Yeah.
09:22Nobody knows.
09:23It's also in the...
09:24It's unprecedented...
09:25Unlimited import quotas...
09:2521 days.
09:26It does not satisfy you.
09:27We know.
09:28Ursula von der Leyen, she sat down, she met with the...
09:30Farmers on the sidelines of that EU summit that took place before Christmas.
09:33Was that not enough?
09:34May I...
09:35When I came to this parliament on the very first week I met Ursula von der Leyen and I
09:38raised this issue on day one and in that...
09:40meeting in parliament in Strasbourg she said to me, but Kieran we are working with the...
09:45Farmers in Brazil, things are going to be different.
09:47They are already improving the situation and yet...
09:50in my country, member state, in the last six months we've seen Brazilian meat come in...
09:55with legal growth promoters involved, with carcinogenic products and not just come in...
10:00but go straight into the food chain and be consumed.
10:03She told me this was not going to happen.
10:05again.
10:06It did happen.
10:07How can we trust...
10:08And this of course has been a massive scandal and covered a lot in the last couple of...
10:10weeks in Ireland.
10:11These are the genuine concerns that communities in Ireland and France and Greece in fact...
10:15have been farmers out protesting.
10:16So how do you direct those concerns and viewers here today who are concerned?
10:19You know...
10:20I think...
10:21I think that is a valid argument actually.
10:23One of your first valid arguments...
10:25which is also why the Commission has acted on this.
10:30And the standards they are there, no matter the Mercosur Trade Agreement or not...
10:35they will be there.
10:36It will not change with the agreement.
10:38We will still have our standards.
10:40there will still be imports of products from the Mercosur countries, but we will lose...
10:45things out on the opportunities.
10:46How do we then make sure that consumers...
10:50animal welfare and plant protection is there.
10:54We do checks.
10:55More checks.
10:56And of course these...
10:57And money.
10:58I know there's 6.3...
10:59Hang on.
11:00And there's 6.3 billion euros earmarked as well for farmers in the next budget.
11:05But...
11:06climate control and all sorts of other issues that...
11:07The thing is...
11:08We all have to read the fine print of course, but...
11:10gentlemen...
11:11Just say.
11:12No, let me stop you there, because actually we're just getting warmed up here and it's
11:14time to take the gloves off.
11:15So now you both have the opportunity...
11:20to kick off with your own questions.
11:22So I will stay quiet for a minute.
11:24Kiran, you go ahead for...
11:25please, with your first question.
11:26Yeah, I mean, I want to ask Jurgen up straight if he knows what antimicrobial...
11:30existence is in terms of medical situation.
11:32It's basically a medical condition...
11:35which occurs after the overuse of antibiotics.
11:38It's something that affects you and me.
11:39Forget about the...
11:40the animals for the moment.
11:41It's you and me.
11:42Your kids.
11:43Your family.
11:44And if in an emergency situation...
11:45you go into hospital, you require antibiotics.
11:47If you've been exposed to more antibiotics than you...
11:50in the course of your life...
11:51you're in big trouble.
11:52Brazilian media is coming in...
11:53the end of the day...
11:54and we know how to...
11:55antibiotics are in it.
11:56We've seen it.
11:57In my country we've had an expose...
11:58with regard to...
11:59right across Brazil.
12:00It's still going on.
12:01So the question is very straightforward.
12:02The question is very straightforward at the end of the day.
12:04What...
12:05price do you put on the safety of your family?
12:08So the meat is coming in...
12:10no matter with the Mercosur agreement or not.
12:13And what happens if we have the...
12:15agreement...
12:16is that we increase the checks.
12:18In fact, we will do...
12:2050% more checks...
12:22in the Mercosur countries.
12:24We will do...
12:2533% more checks...
12:27at the border...
12:28at the European borders.
12:30and there will be a task force...
12:32to improve...
12:33the border...
12:34efficiency.
12:35So actually...
12:36for health...
12:38for people...
12:39and for animals...
12:40and for the plants...
12:41there will be more checks...
12:42with the Mercosur agreement...
12:43you can guarantee...
12:44than with...
12:45you can guarantee...
12:45without the argument...
12:46You can guarantee this?
12:47Yes.
12:48Because on the 25th of September last year...
12:49they...
12:50came into Ireland...
12:51I've asked the Commission...
12:52since that...
12:53about the checks...
12:54where the meat came...
12:55from...
12:56where it went to...
12:57the Commission doesn't know...
12:58they still don't know...
12:59five months later...
13:00So you're not reassured...
13:00by what Jorgen said?
13:01Five months...
13:02Well, that's a fact...
13:03we can ask...
13:04you can ask anybody...
13:05in the Parliament next week...
13:06when we ask...
13:05the Commissioner...
13:06where did it come from...
13:07where did it go...
13:08the checks...
13:09But are your voters...
13:10not excited...
13:11about cheaper stakes?
13:10Fortunately...
13:11the EU...
13:12one of the fantastic things...
13:13about the EU...
13:14is the focus on quality...
13:15and...
13:15and health over the years...
13:16our Irish...
13:17Irish consumer...
13:18largely...
13:19our Irish consumer...
13:20wants to see the continuation...
13:20of proper quality...
13:21and safe food...
13:22That's the big issue for me...
13:23safe food...
13:24and your family...
13:25we can be sure...
13:26Mr Warburg...
13:27your opportunity now...
13:28to pose your first question...
13:29please...
13:30to Kieran Mullooly...
13:31We have you...
13:30the US and China...
13:31pressing us...
13:32from two parts...
13:33it's been very...
13:34very hard...
13:35with the US lately...
13:35and we need more...
13:36trade agreements...
13:37India...
13:38it's very good...
13:39that...
13:40you are pro...
13:41the Indian one...
13:42and we have several others...
13:43the Chile one...
13:44I guess you voted for...
13:45as well...
13:46why...
13:47do you choose...
13:48not to have the growth...
13:50that comes...
13:51with the Mercosur agreement...
13:52you say...
13:53it's too small...
13:54but it's still growth...
13:55it's still more jobs...
13:57for...
13:58for European businesses...
13:59it's...
14:00that supports...
14:01small and medium-sized...
14:02businesses...
14:03we need growth...
14:04in Europe...
14:05so...
14:06why...
14:05can you not...
14:06help...
14:07with...
14:08providing that growth...
14:09it's a fair question...
14:10the geopolitical...
14:10situation has been...
14:11one of the...
14:12the big...
14:13unsettling issues...
14:14as I joined the parliament...
14:15every week...
14:15on a different agenda...
14:16and usually driven...
14:17by the United States...
14:18or otherwise...
14:19but the point is...
14:20you're right...
14:21we need to do...
14:20more trade...
14:21but for me as an MAP...
14:22I have to balance...
14:23on one side...
14:24the better good...
14:25of the EU...
14:25and on the other side...
14:26the better good...
14:27the economy...
14:28of the EU...
14:29and when the people...
14:30of France...
14:30of Poland...
14:31the people of Austria...
14:32Ireland...
14:33and even Belgium...
14:34have come in...
14:35and said...
14:36the end of the day...
14:35we have more to lose...
14:36in a deal...
14:37of this size...
14:38because it's so small...
14:39that's what they're saying...
14:40to me...
14:41even though I don't know...
14:42if the French economy...
14:43should be a good example...
14:44well...
14:45nevertheless...
14:46the French are united...
14:47on this...
14:45we've seen it...
14:46in the Parliament...
14:47127 MPs can be wrong...
14:48can they all be wrong...
14:49Jürgen?
14:50Yes...
14:50they can all be wrong...
14:51I'm afraid...
14:52that's a bit of a...
14:53statement about you...
14:54and democracy...
14:55because the end of the day...
14:55they represent...
14:56left...
14:57right...
14:58and middle...
14:59are you in favour...
15:00of a deal...
15:01which at the end of the day...
15:02continues to leave...
15:03workers in Brazil...
15:04on an average...
15:05monthly salary...
15:06of just €1,000...
15:07it's doing nothing...
15:08for trade...
15:09how could you support...
15:10that...
15:11nothing...
15:12for employees...
15:13and workers...
15:14in Brazil...
15:15so...
15:16if...
15:15if we vote down...
15:16the Mercosur trade...
15:17agreement...
15:18how will it help...
15:19the voter...
15:20the workers...
15:21in Brazil...
15:22how will it help...
15:23the workers...
15:24in Europe...
15:25in Ireland...
15:26it will be the opposite...
15:28and we spoke about it...
15:29it's about...
15:30growth...
15:31Europe is facing...
15:32a huge growth problem...
15:33and it's good...
15:34that...
15:35the Commission...
15:36is now...
15:37pushing...
15:38to change...
15:39this position...
15:40we have the Draga report...
15:40we need to do...
15:41a lot of things...
15:42the rest of the world...
15:43is growing faster...
15:44than Europe...
15:45and that's why...
15:46we need to tap into...
15:47that growth...
15:48and we do that...
15:49with the...
15:50with the trade agreements...
15:51but you decide...
15:52that you do not...
15:53want to tap into...
15:54that growth...
15:55to...
15:56270...
15:57millions...
15:58consumers...
15:59that can sell...
16:00the cars...
16:00or...
16:01pharmaceuticals...
16:02I also look at the...
16:03but the trade unions...
16:04tell us...
16:05that...
16:06and actually...
16:07I misquoted...
16:05500 euros...
16:06per month...
16:07is the average one...
16:08at the top 10%...
16:09are on 1200 euros...
16:10that's today...
16:11that's today...
16:12that has been the way...
16:13for some time...
16:14and you know that...
16:15and...
16:15there is an agreement...
16:16another point...
16:17just to complicate it...
16:18even further for you...
16:19you want to sell...
16:20cars...
16:21into this...
16:22this community...
16:23how many of these workers...
16:24are going to be able...
16:25to afford a Volvo car?
16:25at that...
16:26at that...
16:27at that wage?
16:28at that salary?
16:29Never!
16:30Allow Mr. Wormann to answer...
16:30well...
16:31much more...
16:32of the workers...
16:33will afford it...
16:34if we have the Mercosur...
16:35agreement...
16:36not a chance...
16:37because...
16:38economic development...
16:39will increase...
16:40with the agreement...
16:40that's what trade does...
16:41actually...
16:42the European export...
16:43will grow...
16:44by 39%...
16:45that's a huge...
16:46possibility...
16:47for...
16:48cars...
16:49for car...
16:50parts...
16:51for machine...
16:52machinery...
16:53for...
16:54pharmaceutical...
16:55products...
16:56and...
16:57for...
16:58far...
16:59...
16:55e questo è quello che l'industria ha chiamato il grande troppo che hanno preso di Paraguay
17:00è stato invitato a un ritorno del leader in februari
17:05che la economia è buona ora.
17:08Lo che Kieran sta facendo è dicendo no a crescita.
17:11And I'm saying yes to growth.
17:12I'm saying balance.
17:13I'm saying balance it out.
17:14Well, I'm curious to hear what our viewers think.
17:15Do write to us at the ring at yournews.com to tell us our view.
17:19But now I would like to bring in another.
17:20Because regulars here on Euronews will have noticed that Ursula von der Leyen was in.
17:25New Delhi earlier this week.
17:27And the red carpet was rolled out for her.
17:30We can take a listen.
17:30We want you to say during the EU-India Historic Summers.
17:35We did it.
17:38We delivered the mother of...
17:40And this is the tale of two giants.
17:45of the world's second and fourth largest economies.
17:49Two giants who choose...
17:50And this is a partnership in a true win-win fashion.
17:54A strong...
17:55And this is a message that cooperation is the best answer to global challenges.
18:00First...
18:00Isla von der Leyen there also charming the Indian communities there with her traditional...
18:05dress.
18:06This is not so controversial as the Mercosur.
18:09Why do you really like the EU?
18:10It's a huge deal.
18:14It's a...
18:15It's a...
18:15It's a fantastic market for European products.
18:19It's 1.4 billion.
18:20Consumers there and in a time where once again when we...
18:25are pressed by US and China we need more partners and that's why this...
18:30disagreement is so good.
18:31We've seen chicken, beef, sugar are protected here so nobody wants a food fight with the
18:34farmers.
18:35Which is...
18:35It's a good deal.
18:36In front of the Parliament.
18:37Which is why it's a good deal.
18:38You know what?
18:39I think the EU negotiators have learned from...
18:40Mercosur having waited for 20 years and we've seen it, little or no beef involved in this...
18:45deal at all.
18:46So that's why your voters will love it.
18:47Because there's no beef here.
18:48It's a key Indigenous...
18:50industry right across Europe.
18:51So at the end of the day, Europe must protect its markets as well.
18:54So the balance was...
18:55and she's found the balance.
18:56We're quite happy with this.
18:57But Irish whiskey will sell into India in better volumes than everybody...
19:00Yes.
19:01We're really pleased about it.
19:02But we're also glad to see it going the other way.
19:04We think it's good for Europe.
19:05because of the scale.
19:06That's the key issue here.
19:07Balance what Europe has and the scale of what's possible.
19:10Okay.
19:11And so now the workforce is...
19:13They can afford to buy a Volvo, you mean.
19:15in India.
19:16And the Irish can afford to buy another car in Ireland with the whiskey sales.
19:20increase.
19:21It's a win-win.
19:22It's a win-win.
19:23Which will happen in Mercosur as well.
19:24Well, unfortunately not because...
19:25Because of the scale, I'm quite genuine about that.
19:26The whiskey.
19:27It doesn't have the scale.
19:28That's a...
19:29If you look, see, in Ireland at the moment...
19:30We've got half a billion sales already into India in terms of whiskey.
19:33Already.
19:34Before we start.
19:35Whereas the Mercosur exports are tiny, from an Irish perspective.
19:38270 million consumers.
19:40I think the viewers can assess that.
19:421.5?
19:431.4 billion?
19:44It's fantastic.
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20:16What about you?
20:17Well, according to a recent Eurobarometer, what do Europeans think...
20:21of the EU trade policy?
20:22Well, 77% support the EU's common trade policy.
20:2683% say that the EU should strengthen its economic industry...
20:31dependence and diversify its trade relations.
20:34But...
20:35at least...
20:3675% of citizens agree that agricultural imports should only ever...
20:41enter the European Union if they comply with the EU's environmental animal welfare...
20:46and labour standards.
20:48Are you surprised there?
20:49No, not a bit.
20:50Not a bit.
20:51I'm pro...
20:51trade.
20:52And I'm the person who says we've got to make these deals...
20:54and make sure they're the right deals.
20:56The key one is the last stat, the 75%.
20:58At the end of the day, people want to have safe food.
21:00And if...
21:01safeguards are to mean anything, then they've got to come back in front of Parliament.
21:04We start looking at them again.
21:06We've got to find out.
21:07Where did the meat come from last September in Ireland?
21:09Nobody knows.
21:10It's still a mystery.
21:11We can't go forward until we have clear safeguards on these issues.
21:14Your reaction there to...
21:16data?
21:17I'm not surprised at all.
21:18Well, if I am surprised, it's rather that the...
21:21last number isn't higher because, of course, we're all concerned with food safety.
21:26and my point is that, with the Mercosur agreement, food safety...
21:31will actually increase.
21:32We will have more checks, 50% more checks in the Mercosur.
21:36countries, 33% more checks at our border, a task force of increasing efficiency.
21:41So, I guess that means that we will find...
21:46the meat or other products that are not good for us.
21:51Why is the EU Mercosur deal so toxic then?
21:53Is there a communications issue here?
21:55Have you been miscommunicated?
21:56this deal and the benefits, perhaps?
21:57I think so.
21:58And, you know, I also admit that there are sensitive...
22:01products.
22:02For the agriculture sector as a whole, it's huge, it's potent...
22:06It's huge potential for dairy, for wine, for a lot of different products, but...
22:11for some products, they are sensitive.
22:13It's beef, it's poultry, it's sugar, it's a few other...
22:16But here the Commission has really been clever in negotiating it.
22:20It's tariff rate...
22:21Quotas meaning the volumes are small, relatively small, 1.5.
22:26per cent maximum in consumption of the European consumption for beef
22:31one steak per year.
22:33On opt in day, and then it grows and then it grows.
22:36No, non, non è in l'agreement.
22:38So è one state committee.
22:40And then, with a quote...
22:41Then you have the safeguards, meaning that prices cannot decrease too much.
22:46Then tariffs kick in.
22:48And there is also an insurance policy in terms of money.
22:51I think the good news on the vote last week is that Europe is changing its mind about the entire America's ordeal now.
22:56We've seen...
22:57Who is?
22:58I was told that...
22:59Who in Europe?
22:59I haven't seen a commission president change her mind.
23:01I think social...
23:01To be very clear about it...
23:03These statistics says something else.
23:04To be very clear about it, when we voted on...
23:06But just who...
23:06People have changed their mind.
23:07I'm really curious.
23:08Can I answer the question?
23:09Last year when we had a vote, we had 10, 11...
23:11Social Democrats who abstained.
23:13This week they voted in favour of the legal agreement.
23:16I believe they'll vote in...
23:16To knock down Mercosur.
23:18That's who's changed their mind.
23:19That's why we won this week, by the way.
23:21It wasn't...
23:21So the left put the motion for it.
23:23The right were involved.
23:24But at the end of the day, it was Social Democrats from Romania...
23:26and Hungary that changed their mind in this situation.
23:30And that's happening right across the border.
23:31with regard to Mercosur.
23:32But it's very political.
23:33Because of the safety issues.
23:34It's very political too.
23:34At the end of the day, it's about food quality.
23:36It's...
23:36You asked the question, what did the commission do wrong?
23:39The commission failed to recognise the cultural problem in...
23:41Brazil.
23:42This is an examination that went over 3,000 kilometres, over 14...
23:46You disagree, sir.
23:47It's right across the border.
23:48Yes.
23:49You can't change that overnight.
23:50You can't.
23:51Okay, let's just hear it from...
23:51putting forward great arguments for provisional application, actually.
23:56meaning that the Mercosur agreement should now start to be in force...
24:01as soon as possible.
24:02Because the vote last week...
24:06You didn't...
24:07You didn't read the agreement, but you still voted to send it for legal...
24:11checks, meaning that what you are really against is the Mercosur agreement.
24:16And that's why it was a delaying process from you and some colleagues.
24:21But we cannot afford to delay the process.
24:24We have been negotiating this for 25...
24:2625 years, indeed.
24:27And now we need to put it into force.
24:29And I think if we put it...
24:30Forget about 250.
24:31Not happening.
24:32No, no, no.
24:33We do more checks.
24:34So when we put it into action...
24:36then export will grow.
24:38Jobs will grow.
24:39And that will be very good for you.
24:41The only thing that won't grow.
24:42That's the trees in the Amazon.
24:43You seem to have forgotten that issue.
24:44And I'm sure your Swedish viewers are interested in that as well.
24:46We heard at Christmas...
24:47They are.
24:48They haven't.
24:49We heard at Christmas that the biggest soya producers in Brazil...
24:51are going back into the rainforest.
24:52And on that point, Kieran Mululi...
24:53That's what you're voting for.
24:54That's what you're voting for.
24:55No, no.
24:56That's...
24:56That's a fact.
24:57No, no, no.
24:58They have breached an agreement...
24:59Once again...
25:00They have breached an agreement and they're going back...
25:01into the rainforest.
25:02We're going to see more trees cut than ever before.
25:04And you're saying that's fine.
25:06We're going to go ahead on a provisional...
25:07I want to continue quizzing you.
25:08We're going to have two years to go ahead?
25:09I don't think so.
25:10So haven't we...
25:11So that's the view from...
25:12You didn't read the agreement.
25:13So that's the view from...
25:14You didn't read the agreement.
25:15That is the view from Kieran Mululi and your...
25:16in Oregon.
25:17Now it is time though...
25:18to move on to our fifth and final round.
25:21Are you ready?
25:25So I'm going...
25:26to ask our MEPs a set of questions...
25:28and you only can answer with a yes or no.
25:30Is that...
25:31Is that doable?
25:32Debatable.
25:33Debatable.
25:34Not easy at all.
25:36Ursula von der Leyen a good leader?
25:37Ciaran.
25:38Yes or no?
25:39No.
25:40Yes.
25:41Do you like that Brussels...
25:41trades on behalf of the 27?
25:42Ciaran.
25:43Yes.
25:44In key areas.
25:45Yes.
25:46Is globalization a good thing, Jorgen?
25:49Yes.
25:50Yes, India.
25:51in control and regulated.
25:52Ciaran.
25:53Is the EU relevant on the world stage now in 2020?
25:56Well, yes is the answer and I'm a big believer in that.
25:58But we have to be even more relevant and not reacting to the US.
26:01and other parties, other world powers.
26:02Yes.
26:03And with the Mercosur agreement even more so.
26:05Was it...
26:06Was it a mistake to sign the EU-US trade deal back in Scotland back in July?
26:11No.
26:12Yes, because we were bullied.
26:14On that Sunday in July we were...
26:16Our president of the commission was bullied into submission.
26:19Not the circumstances...
26:20Could I maybe comment?
26:21Should that...
26:21Should that deal be ratified, yes or no?
26:22I think it should stay suspended until we clarify exactly what's going on.
26:26in the United States.
26:27We need that deal.
26:28We needed concrete...
26:29And we thought we had it.
26:30Struggling there with the yes or no...
26:31Mr. Mululi.
26:32We need more predictability.
26:33I say more.
26:34We cannot create a lot of...
26:35We can...
26:36Absolutely stable situation for businesses at the moment.
26:39So should the deal be ratified?
26:40It should be.
26:41Because it creates more predictability than today.
26:43Final question, Mr. Mululi.
26:44Did you agree with anything?
26:46that Jürgen Varbon said today?
26:47Oh, I certainly did.
26:48I mean, we...
26:49The overall trade...
26:50Jürgen is right.
26:51We need to do the big deals.
26:52That's why I'm happy with India.
26:54But it all comes down at the end of the day for me...
26:56to a personal choice.
26:57Jürgen, would you be happy with your family eating Brazilian meat tomorrow?
27:00And what about you...
27:01Yes.
27:02Yes, absolutely.
27:03I do eat Brazilian meat and Irish meat.
27:06Even though you have no idea where it came from?
27:07I have no problems with that.
27:08And just a final point with you.
27:09Did you agree with anything Kieran Mululi said?
27:11Yes, I think it is very good that Kieran is supportive of the Indians.
27:16to India.
27:17The agreement with India.
27:18We need that.
27:19We need more trade agreements.
27:21Okay.
27:21Generally.
27:22What a lively debate.
27:23I think we've given our viewers a real glimpse of what it's like inside the heated...
27:26semi-cycle.
27:27Thank you so much Jürgen Vorborn and Kieran Mululi for being our guests.
27:30It was great to hear.
27:31your views.
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