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Welcome to the most unhinged episode of the Klein. Ally. Showvertime yet. Because nothing says "lucrative Hollywood movie deal" quite like trading your exclusive life rights for three family-sized Buzzballs, some chicken wings, and a carton of Pall Mall cigarettes.
In this episode, we sit down with the invincible Secondhand Cindy to unpack her origin story. From inheriting a casual $35,000 JCPenney and AT&T trust fund at age 18, to intentionally starting a bonfire in a station wagon at age five, Cindy has lived enough lives for all of us.
Throw in a wildly suspicious jailhouse death and a 210-mph crash in a 240Z fueled by tequila and pure cannabinol powder, and you'll wonder how she's still sitting in the studio with us.
Grab a drink and dive into part one of the most unbelievable true story ever told.
In this episode, we sit down with the invincible Secondhand Cindy to unpack her origin story. From inheriting a casual $35,000 JCPenney and AT&T trust fund at age 18, to intentionally starting a bonfire in a station wagon at age five, Cindy has lived enough lives for all of us.
Throw in a wildly suspicious jailhouse death and a 210-mph crash in a 240Z fueled by tequila and pure cannabinol powder, and you'll wonder how she's still sitting in the studio with us.
Grab a drink and dive into part one of the most unbelievable true story ever told.
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00:00All right, Klein Alley, Showbertime, episode number ba-ba-da-ba-da, who cares?
00:05The most important episode.
00:06It is the most important episode we've ever done, and that's not saying a lot,
00:09because these Showbertime episodes are usually just a chance for us to...
00:12Blab.
00:13Blab and dump a bunch of stuff that we didn't think was worthy of making it onto the air,
00:17and you guys seem to like it, we appreciate that.
00:19This is the episode that will be joined in moments in this studio by a secondhand Cindy,
00:22and we'll officially sign this contract, Alley.
00:25As you can see here, the table in front of you, this is such a big moment,
00:30so I'll make sure we're rolling on this one as well.
00:32We rolling? We're good? All right, good.
00:33Because we want to make sure we have video documentation of this podcast as well,
00:37in case legally the secondhand Cindy story becomes the next, you know, Avengers Endgame,
00:43we need to make sure...
00:44That's the only thing you can think of.
00:46We need to make sure that we're...
00:48With all the monsters and superheroes.
00:50I'm just saying, we have to make sure that we're on...
00:52It just doesn't cut us out of the profit here.
00:54Right, yes.
00:55Yes, the last big, big blockbuster true story, Avengers Endgame.
01:00Also...
01:00But we did agree that we were going to provide her with a contract,
01:03we were going to bring her three buzz balls and some chicken wings,
01:06and a carton of cigarettes, and in exchange for her life story, which begins today.
01:10Yeah, today is the beginning of the life story.
01:12So I guess we could bring her in, we can go over the contract,
01:14once she officially signs it, then we can start to get the stories out of her.
01:17Her e-scooter's already in our production office, so she's made it here.
01:21Oh, that's her scooter.
01:22Yes.
01:22The same scooter she fell off of and pretty much ripped up her arm.
01:24I mean, the reason she couldn't come last week,
01:26and I know a lot of you are angry because you got screwed on a Showvertime episode,
01:29it's because she was supposed to come in last week to do the Showvertime,
01:33and then she toppled over, and she had her arm pretty much stapled together.
01:36She had like ten staples in her arm, it's crazy.
01:38So, anyway, I'm thrilled to bring her in here.
01:40You know, we've known this woman on and off now for, it feels like a long time,
01:43yet I don't think...
01:43It's been almost ten years.
01:44She's never been in the K-Rock studios ever, I don't believe, right?
01:48I think this is the first time she's been in our studio.
01:51Did she come here for the prison cook-off?
01:52Oh, yes, she did.
01:53Prison cook-off.
01:53So, she was last here for the prison cook-off,
01:56and now she's sitting there, and she's about to come in.
01:59Vanessa's going to send her in here.
02:00This is a legend, ladies and gentlemen.
02:02You know her as secondhand Cindy.
02:04She's already drinking a buzz ball.
02:06She has a buzz ball already?
02:07Yes.
02:08Oh, that's her drinking buzz ball.
02:09Hey, secondhand Cindy, how are you?
02:11Welcome to the Showvertime podcast.
02:13Hi.
02:13It's good to have you here.
02:14Hi.
02:14Good to see you.
02:16Welcome, Cindy.
02:17Grab a seat right there.
02:19Hold on, John.
02:19He's going to set you up.
02:20Which buzz ball did you start with?
02:22Over here I sit, right?
02:22Sit over there.
02:23Sit right there by that microphone.
02:25By the giant buzz balls.
02:27Yes.
02:27Sit by what we would call your, that's your cornucopia of gifts that we have put together.
02:32Okay.
02:33Hi.
02:33Get close to the mic so you don't need headphones.
02:35No headphones.
02:36No.
02:36Okay.
02:36No, just us.
02:37Just us talking now.
02:38Okay, good.
02:38This is Showvertime.
02:39We put no effort into this, so you don't need headphones.
02:41Hi, how are you?
02:42I'm doing okay.
02:43I got here.
02:44I was here on time, but I needed to, well, I was going to stop and get some booze because
02:51I left my pint of vodka on the train.
02:54Oh, no.
02:55I know.
02:55That sucks.
02:56You got a whole pint?
02:57Possible story idea.
02:59Left my pint of vodka on the train.
03:00Sounds like a country song.
03:01Well, this should make up for it.
03:03This should get you home.
03:03Well, that's what came to my mind.
03:05I'm like, oh, they're going to have buzz balls there.
03:07I don't need vodka.
03:08Yeah, you're good.
03:09So, before we get into your stories, and thanks for being here, I want to go over this
03:12contract to make sure, before you get too drunk, that this is a legally binding contract.
03:15You have a copy in front of you.
03:16You can look at it as well.
03:17It's been notarized, as you can see at the bottom, with the official seal.
03:20Got it.
03:21Oh, we have an official seal.
03:22The Klein Alley Show.
03:23Yeah, there's a seal at the bottom of that alley.
03:24You see that?
03:25So, this is the Secondhand Cindy Story Rights Agreement.
03:28It's a three-year agreement between Klein Alley's show on K-Rock and Secondhand Cindy, which
03:33is you.
03:34Right.
03:35Right.
03:36Right.
03:37Are you sure you forgot that point of audio?
03:39I don't think anybody wants to be me.
03:40Let's just go over the details.
03:42This will be the boring part of the podcast, then we'll get to the actual story part.
03:45Okay.
03:45Then you can sign it.
03:46Alley, you're going to sign on behalf of the show.
03:48We also have a witness and a person responsible for the chicken wings that we'll be signing
03:53as well.
03:53So, you see, in front of you, the deal we made, and you're okay with this, you're going
03:58to give us, secondhand Cindy, hereby grants and assigns Klein Alley's show on K-Rock
04:03the exclusive rights to tell, discuss, embellish, revisit, reference, ridicule, or produce, or
04:11otherwise broadcast your stories of your real life for a period of three years from the
04:15date of this signing.
04:16And that includes, but it's not limited to, stories on the air, online, through social
04:20media, podcasts, videos, promotional material, or any other material we decide to do that
04:24includes a feature-length film.
04:26You got it all.
04:27And what are you chewing on now?
04:29A wing.
04:30Oh, you've already in the wings.
04:31She's got the wings.
04:32She's digging in a herd of prizes.
04:33She hasn't signed yet.
04:34These wings are not hers yet until she's signed.
04:36No, you got to sign, Cindy.
04:37And I don't believe there's any catches.
04:39There's no fine print.
04:40Everything should be spelled right out there for you.
04:43Compensation in exchange for the above-mentioned rights, Klein Alley's show agrees to provide
04:46you with the following.
04:47You have three buzz balls, as you see one family size.
04:49You see how big those are?
04:51Family size.
04:51Those are for families.
04:52Those are the big ones.
04:53You get one.
04:54One, I know we agreed to one carton of Pall Mall cigarette blue packs.
04:58Vanessa had some trouble because they carted her.
05:01They thought she was underage.
05:02They would only sell her three packs of cigarettes.
05:04So we owe you.
05:05Alley's decided, I think this is fair.
05:07We can initial this in the contract.
05:09Every time you come back, we'll give you more packs of cigarettes until we add up to
05:12a 10.
05:13Perfect.
05:14But there's three to get you started.
05:15That's great.
05:16I hope you trust us to follow through on that.
05:18Well, I trust you.
05:19You guys are the only ones I would do this for.
05:22Okay.
05:22It means a lot.
05:23We are very happy that you're here, and we can't wait to hear about the entire life
05:27of Secondhand Cindy.
05:28So you get the three buzz balls.
05:29You see those in front of you, the Pall Mall cigarettes.
05:31You see those in front of you, and the chicken wings that are there as well.
05:35So that was the deal.
05:35Three-year term.
05:36Alley, we have the story rights.
05:38No complaints.
05:39No returns.
05:40There's no lemon law here.
05:41Entire agreement.
05:43This document, basically, you sign it.
05:45Alley's going to sign on our side as well with the official client, Alley Chopin.
05:49And then the document is signed.
05:51And legally, this is binding.
05:53So that means moving forward.
05:55From this point forward, any story that we talk about today on the podcast and you share
05:59with us ever again, we own for the next three years.
06:02Perfect.
06:03Okay.
06:03I can't believe we're giving ourselves a deadline here of three years, but I guess that'll motivate
06:07us.
06:07Yeah, yeah.
06:08Well, you're going to live that long.
06:10You're Teflon.
06:11You're like, you know, there's something about you.
06:12I mean, you should have died.
06:13And I know we'll learn about this in the stories, but you really, I know everyone says, oh,
06:17I almost died.
06:17I almost died.
06:18In your particular case, you've almost died hundreds of times.
06:20Yeah.
06:21I should have been gone.
06:22Yeah.
06:23Gone.
06:23And yet here you are, falling off cliffs, driving off cliffs.
06:27Getting shot.
06:29Getting shot.
06:30Prison life.
06:3114 DUIs with half of them were accidents and big ones.
06:35Right.
06:36Old.
06:37At one point, you ended up under an 18-wheeler.
06:39Is that correct as well?
06:40At one point, I fell asleep and I side-swiped a semi.
06:46Yeah.
06:46Yeah.
06:46That's right.
06:47And it got you back and then hit you another time.
06:49No, that was another.
06:50Get the other side, even around.
06:51That was another semi hit.
06:53Yeah.
06:53Anyway, you guys will hear it.
06:55And I'll tell you one thing.
06:56You look, based on the life you've lived, and I know currently you have a bunch of staples in
07:00your arm because this is what happened last week.
07:02Even just trying to get here, you ended up having a scooter incident, and they pretty
07:05much stapled your arm together, correct?
07:07Yeah.
07:08They stapled my, it was right before my bicep, thank God.
07:12Yeah.
07:13I mean, like inches, because if that, it would have been all bad.
07:17And I don't know, Allie, if we want to start at the beginning.
07:20We should.
07:20All the way back to the secondhand Cindy origin stories, or if we want to get people in early.
07:24Now, understand what you're hearing now is a work in progress.
07:27So we're going to talk to Cindy.
07:29We're going to do a little bit of interviewing.
07:30This is going to be a long process.
07:31A lot of this is not going to happen on the air.
07:33A lot of this will happen in our own personal lives, our weekends.
07:36Yeah.
07:36We're going to dedicate a lot of time to this, Cindy.
07:39You may move in with us for a period of time so that we can really monitor you in a
07:42day
07:42to day.
07:44But this is all to bring our audience into your life, who we believe to be the most interesting
07:49person on the planet.
07:52So secondhand, Cindy, where, let's just start at the beginning.
07:55What kind of environment did you grow up in?
07:58Were you close to anybody?
07:59Who influenced you?
08:01What was your childhood like in a nutshell?
08:04Well, I have to say I've been writing for three days and it's on my phone.
08:09I don't, I guess I really don't need to pull it up to read word for word.
08:13But I did begin from my mom and dad, you know, getting married to being sexually molested
08:22by my stepbrother at 10.
08:24And then I got, and then I got, I was trying to remember all the DUIs.
08:28I was having a hell of a time.
08:30I think I got like eight of them.
08:32That's probably my first story.
08:34That's where I started.
08:35You've gotten through eight on your notes?
08:37Well, I've got, I've got put together eight DUIs.
08:40I know there's at least six more.
08:43You know, uh, but you know, um, so.
08:46Do you have to blow into your phone to get it to work or no?
08:48No.
08:49That, that would be interesting if they changed it to your phone instead of the machine.
08:54They might.
08:55You ever have to have that machine on your car?
08:57Yeah.
08:58Yeah.
08:59And you figured out workarounds for that machine?
09:00Oh yeah, you can get around it.
09:02But you know what?
09:03It was, it was so ridiculous.
09:05One time I had it, you had to blow and hum at the same time.
09:10I'm like, what the hell?
09:11How do you do that?
09:11That's impossible.
09:12I guess I'm not driving tonight.
09:13Shit.
09:14I wouldn't even sober be able to do that.
09:15And that's why you're driving a stick shift having a cigarette and a drink.
09:19Yeah.
09:19That's a little tough to do.
09:21That is tough.
09:21Allie wants to know if you ever queefed into the machine to get it working.
09:24Did I ever what?
09:25I don't want to know that.
09:27Oh.
09:27Why are you asking queef questions?
09:29Why did you ask that?
09:30I didn't ask any questions about that.
09:33The answer is probably.
09:34How old were you when you had your first drink, Cindy?
09:36When I had my first, I was 14.
09:38Oh, that's pretty late for you, I would think.
09:40What was the drink?
09:41Do you remember?
09:42Yeah, that wine, that awful.
09:44Franzia?
09:45No, it was Red Dog or some red wine back in the 70s.
09:49Uh-huh.
09:50It was gross.
09:51And you hated it.
09:52Yeah, hated it.
09:54And yeah.
09:58Well, should I continue?
10:00Of course.
10:01That's what you're here for.
10:02Yeah, I did.
10:03It was a house.
10:04Well, first of all, let me back up.
10:07I was born in 1957 from my mom, Carolyn Olive, and my dad, Bernie Rudd, in 1955, I believe.
10:18They had my brother in 56.
10:20They had me in 57.
10:22Oh, wow.
10:23They were busy.
10:23Yeah, we're less than a year apart.
10:25What does that make you?
10:26Irish twins?
10:26Irish twins, yeah.
10:27Is that the word?
10:28Is this the one that you kissed?
10:29Yeah.
10:30Okay.
10:31I didn't French, but we can keep that.
10:33Yeah, we'll do it.
10:33It's more exciting.
10:34Right, that's good.
10:35No, I'd like to know what's real versus what we'll embellish later.
10:37But yeah, that's fine.
10:38Yeah.
10:38It was a regular just lip on lip kiss.
10:40Yeah, yeah.
10:41I'll get to that one, too.
10:43But so anyway, I was two.
10:46My brother was three.
10:48My dad was big in JCPenney's, the Rudd family, but he took a break from there and he bought
10:54a bar.
10:56Wait, your dad was big at JCPenney's?
10:58Yeah, my grandfather, his dad was like the way up there.
11:02A higher up at JCPenney's?
11:03Wow.
11:03Oh, I thought you meant like a big shopper, like a regular.
11:05Oh, no.
11:06I mean, that's what my mom was.
11:09I know.
11:09Now his mom's also big at JCPenney's.
11:11Wow, okay.
11:11They have her picture of the red shirt, no more returns.
11:13Cool.
11:15So he left and decided, I'm going to go in the bar business.
11:18Well, he took a break from there and yeah, he bought a bar.
11:21I'm already fascinated to learn that secondhand Cindy's father owned a bar.
11:26Yeah.
11:26I didn't know that.
11:27I knew.
11:27Now, I'm trying to get to the origin story and I do want to warn just the listeners
11:30as a bit of a trigger warning.
11:32We know that Cindy on the air, she's a lot of fun and she's never wrong.
11:36She always knows how to hit the punch.
11:38She's the best on air, one of the best on air natural talents.
11:40We've ever eaten.
11:42But in real life, in her real actual life, and I'm only saying this now and I'm stalling
11:46because you're in the middle of eating a chicken wing, so I'm just buying you some time.
11:50Okay.
11:50She has had some real ups and some real downs and it will be emotional.
11:56And just so you know, she's already crying a little bit as she's telling us the story.
11:59I know some of you can't see that if you're not watching this, but she is going to take
12:03us into the deepest, darkest places and it's going to be triggering for some people and
12:08I know we're going to do our best to make it lighthearted and fun, but like any good
12:11story and any good movie.
12:13There are sad moments.
12:14There are, there are real downs and that's sometimes the only get to the good when you
12:17get through the bad.
12:18And, and so I just want to warn you, I don't know how much that we'll get into today, but
12:21I can tell that you're already getting emotional just talking about your childhood.
12:24A little.
12:25Or is it the wings are spicy?
12:27Which one is it?
12:27That, and then I need a napkin.
12:29Oh, okay.
12:30Yep.
12:30Let's get her a napkin.
12:31I don't want the sauce in my eyes.
12:33This isn't hot ones.
12:34It's not part of the contract, but here you go.
12:36There you go.
12:37Sorry, Johnny, it's too late.
12:39I don't know why I'm getting emotional.
12:40I haven't even gotten to the real.
12:41Well, I think you just probably subconsciously know what's coming.
12:44And yeah, the real emotion, because there's a lot of fun, unbelievable, like.
12:51Well, you've lived.
12:52Cindy's Believe It or Not stories is crazy, crazy.
12:56Well, when we do launch the movie, we will, we will create a pop-up, Cindy's Believe It
13:00or Not, and it will be all actual things, like this is the, this is the size of the cliff
13:04she fell off of.
13:05Believe it or not.
13:06Oh, wow.
13:06And then you can take pictures off the side of it.
13:08Yeah, here we go.
13:08I don't believe it.
13:09There's the machine she creeped into the stronger car.
13:11Okay, hold on.
13:12In fact, I do have a picture of Vanessa just printed it.
13:16Oh.
13:17Let's see what this is.
13:17This is evidence.
13:19Wow, that's the cliff you fell off of.
13:20That's the cliff.
13:21Wow.
13:21Look at that, Allie.
13:23Oh, my gosh.
13:24That's a real.
13:24Oh, there's somebody diving off of the side of it.
13:26So people do dive off this cliff?
13:28That's just a real quick picture, but there's some clear, cleaner pictures.
13:31We need toner.
13:32That's what I'm learning about this.
13:33Yes, that is a terribly colored picture.
13:34I gave it to her like one minute when I got in here.
13:37Yeah, okay.
13:38All right, great.
13:39Thank you for the visuals.
13:40Well, if we put out the book, we'll have to have a picture section.
13:43Yeah.
13:43Well, it's nice to put a picture to the situation or to the person.
13:47Right, exactly.
13:48All right, continue.
13:48Okay.
13:49So anyway, yes.
13:53And so mom was home.
13:55She was home with us.
13:56We were both sleeping, my brother and I.
13:58My dad came home, and she asked him if he was hungry, want something to eat, and he said,
14:05yeah, I think it's because I never met the man.
14:14So she went to make him a sandwich, and she came back, and he was dead.
14:18Oh, my God.
14:19What happened?
14:20Massive heart attack at 28.
14:2328?
14:24Wow.
14:24And this was right after he had bought and started the bar?
14:27It started the bar, and they had me, my brother, and then my mom found out she was pregnant.
14:32Oh, my.
14:33At 21.
14:34Okay, so you obviously have a loss of somebody that you have never really, you said you've
14:40never met him.
14:40Mm-mm.
14:41So do you wonder, and it seems like maybe the other men that came into your lives were
14:45shitty.
14:46So thinking about some of the, you know, what could have been with this relationship with
14:50your father.
14:51I think, I think why I'm emotional about it is because, and my mom didn't mean to, but
14:58there was times where she would not say good things about him.
15:01And you can't be doing that to anybody.
15:05It's number one rule.
15:06You're a stepparent.
15:08It's not your child.
15:10Or any situation like that, you cannot talk bad about the other parent.
15:15Because that child will go against you so bad.
15:20We'll flip it over, and they'll hate you.
15:22And is that what happened?
15:24Yeah.
15:24Well, no, I never hated my mom, and towards the end, she had dementia, so I understand that.
15:29But, you know, but it was over the years I would ask her, and oh, you know, he was such
15:34a big boozer, and I'm just like, and?
15:38Who wasn't at 28 years old?
15:39Right.
15:40In 1959.
15:41That's when he died.
15:42Wow.
15:431959.
15:44Mom, you know, abortions back then were really bad.
15:47I mean, against the law, for one, and women were dying because they were giving them themselves
15:52an abortion.
15:53Oh, yeah, right.
15:53My best friend's mom did it.
15:55With a coat hanger.
15:56Oh, shit.
15:57I know.
15:58And she did it, and lived, and that was, but my mom did, and she went to the alley,
16:05back up the stairs, and she was okay.
16:07She lived through it.
16:09Oh, she went to a back alley of abortion clinic?
16:11Yeah, that's where you had to go.
16:12And this was the baby that she was pregnant with after she found out her husband was dead.
16:17Yeah, because she wasn't working.
16:19She had two kids under five.
16:20So she couldn't support a third.
16:22No, she couldn't.
16:24She told me that when I was, like, 16.
16:26And so, anyway, so my dad died.
16:29She ran across the street.
16:30I don't know why.
16:31I'm sure they had a phone.
16:32But anyway, called 911.
16:34I guess I don't know what it was back then, probably.
16:37And so they came, and so he passed.
16:41My dad was a very smart man.
16:44He had already put a trust fund together for my brother.
16:47Wow, that's smart.
16:49I know, very smart.
16:50Wish we all did that.
16:53Anyway, so basically, fast forward, when we turned 18, we got the, it was all in stocks.
17:01J.C. Penney, United Airlines, AT&T.
17:05The real ones.
17:06600 shares of AT&T at $64 a share in 1975.
17:10Wow.
17:11So you were a maid at 18, you had some serious income coming your way.
17:15I had some dough, yeah.
17:16Wow.
17:17Do you remember?
17:18And you think that that dough is what set you up potentially for the life of vice that you've lived?
17:23Well, yeah.
17:24I mean, that, three times I got fortunes to do that, as far as that was the first one.
17:30You got three fortunes.
17:31That's amazing.
17:32So what was the first fortune?
17:33Do you know the amount?
17:34My dad.
17:35No, but I mean, what, do you remember the amount?
17:37Oh, yeah, $35,000, 1975.
17:40Just sitting there, waiting for you.
17:41That's enough for like three houses back then.
17:43Oh, my gosh.
17:44My parents bought their house in 72 for 32, and we just sold it.
17:47Well, not just, but $850,000.
17:50Well, in some ways, Cindy, I mean, that's a beautiful thing that he was able to do for you.
17:55Yeah, I know.
17:55And you didn't know him long, but he was able to do a thing that, you know, that, to set
18:00you up, to give you a life, maybe better even than the one that he had had.
18:04I know, like, my dad's dad died when he was very young.
18:07My dad's dad died when he was five years old.
18:09Wow, really?
18:09How did he die?
18:10I think also heart attack related.
18:12Yeah.
18:13And he was, you know, young 30s.
18:15But they didn't really talk about, that's what he always said.
18:18Once someone died in those days, they just kind of, they almost didn't, they weren't really discussed ever again.
18:25It was almost like they were out of the picture.
18:26Yeah, they didn't exist.
18:27They didn't exist, yeah.
18:27And I imagine if kids were there, they were like, let's just, let's not bring it up.
18:30So he didn't really know much about his own dad.
18:32I don't either.
18:33Right.
18:33He didn't tell me much about my dad.
18:36So you're right about that.
18:37Yeah.
18:38But that he left you kind of this thing was just a gift that he was able to give you
18:41years after.
18:43Yeah.
18:43It was kind of a beautiful.
18:44I mean, who has, I don't, I didn't have that on my kids.
18:47Right.
18:47So what happened when you got this money?
18:49What did you, did you have an intention of what you wanted to spend it on?
18:52Well, fast forward from 14, that would be 18.
18:54Should we do that or just go a little bit more about the.
18:57Is there anything else you want to cover?
18:59Does she want to talk about what happened with your brother-in-law?
19:03That was my stepbrother, Darwin.
19:05My dad died, my dad died in October of 1959.
19:09My mom married my stepfather, Thomas Reiner, in December of 1959.
19:16Oh, wow.
19:16That was very soon.
19:18That's how it used to be, though.
19:19It did, because she was a single.
19:21She needed a support.
19:23And because I've been, I was, when I found out, I'm like, what the hell?
19:27Right.
19:27Did you even love them?
19:29Yeah.
19:29You know, and my mom was one of the, a person that I have to say is close to perfect,
19:35was
19:35close to perfect.
19:36Wow.
19:37There's no perfect, but she was close to it.
19:40And so everyone would tell me, well, she's a single 21-year-old, two kids, no job.
19:45What the hell are you going to think she's going to do, you know?
19:48Is your mom hot?
19:48I feel like in her prime.
19:49She was.
19:49Very, you could tell.
19:50Yeah, she was, and I have pictures of that, too, I'll bring, but anyway, yeah, she was.
19:54She was pretty hot.
19:55Well, get pregnant three times in, like, three years.
19:59Yeah, damn.
20:00Well, I guess she didn't use anything.
20:03Great.
20:03Fun girl.
20:04The fact that I feel like it was a sock.
20:06I mean.
20:07Sock.
20:07Not really much.
20:08Yeah, the kid who was kind of, so, so then this new guy was what, an asshole?
20:14Thomas Reiner, Mr. Thomas Reiner, well, actually, he met my mom, like, on a blind date.
20:20He was a widower.
20:22He had a son, Darwin, at five years old.
20:25He lost his wife and his daughter when she gave birth.
20:30Oh, wow.
20:30In childbirth.
20:31Both went.
20:32Both of them.
20:33That's, it's crazy when you think about it.
20:34It was not that long ago.
20:35It feels like that's forever ago, because you think about it, but the stuff, and it wasn't
20:38really that long, and that was still a legitimate thing.
20:40It still happens, I mean, now in third world countries and stuff.
20:42Yeah, but, I mean, it happens how many, what percentage of the time?
20:44Yeah.
20:45But back then, it was like, I have 50-50 shot.
20:47Wow.
20:48Damn.
20:48Okay, and he was young, too?
20:50Mm-hmm.
20:51Mm-hmm.
20:51Yeah, they were 10 years apart, so they got married, and so then we moved into Norwalk,
21:01and so then they had two kids, my two sisters, which, they're dead to me as far as I'm concerned.
21:08Oh, yeah, really?
21:09Oh, yeah, they're gone.
21:11Kim and Debbie, so they were my stepfather and my mom.
21:15So, we had step, whole, my brother and I, and half.
21:19Uh-huh.
21:20A little bit of it.
21:20We had everything.
21:21It was like the sitcom modern family.
21:23Yeah.
21:23I relate.
21:24I got all that stuff, too.
21:25I've got halves, I got fulls, and I've, no, actually, I don't have any fulls, but yeah,
21:28there's a lot of different things in blended families.
21:31Step-parenting is tough, I have to say.
21:33I've never been one, but I've had, well, we'll get into that, but my dad, he adopted us,
21:39even, but my, we'll just put it this way, my stepfather and I conversation over 50 years
21:46probably amounted to, I don't know, two pages of this.
21:52Wow.
21:53Not a lot.
21:53Not a lot.
21:54How much of that do you think, Cindy, was you not wanting to fill that role that was your dad,
22:00like not wanting to accept him?
22:01How much of that was him, and how much of that do you think, looking back, you go,
22:04I didn't really want to welcome this man as my father, so I just kind of ignored.
22:10Yeah, I don't know if that may be subconsciously or something, I just didn't care for him
22:16because it was like walking on eggshells.
22:18Oh, yeah, it was like that?
22:18I mean, what the hell, you know, unless he had, he was the type of person that should,
22:23a doctor should write a prescription, you have two to three drinks a day, whenever you
22:29want it, just have them, because when he did, he was like, cool.
22:33Cool, you know, he was very cool.
22:35He was just, if he didn't, it was like, fridge open, what are you, trying to, you know, cool
22:41down the neighborhood, or just kind of mean comments.
22:45Yeah, but then when you add a couple drinks, hey, Dad, can I get the keys to the car?
22:49And he goes, I don't know, can you?
22:51You know, one of these old things.
22:52I mean, a full dad joke mode.
22:54Full dad joke mode.
22:55It sounds like he was the originator of some of those jokes.
22:57Yeah.
22:58He's probably the guy who created that hole and tried to cool off the neighborhood line.
23:00And so all of the siblings, everyone was living in one house.
23:03Yes, yes, we were all in one house.
23:07Like I said, my brother and I, we were, we looked like, really, we did look twins.
23:12We did look exactly alike.
23:15But then when I hit like five, I guess it was, five or six, I don't know, I just started
23:21playing with matches.
23:22I just liked fire.
23:24I don't know fire, I just probably liked the lid of the match.
23:27Of course.
23:27For some reason, I remember my mom and two sisters going to that, the store back then
23:35was like Lerner's or something.
23:37It was so old.
23:38Uh-huh.
23:39That's where I got my wedding dress for 35 bucks.
23:41Anyway, and they left me in the car.
23:43Make a note of that.
23:43$35 wedding dress.
23:44Hold on.
23:45Man.
23:45No, I stepped up.
23:46I'm taking notes as you're talking.
23:48Okay, good.
23:48The work could be good.
23:50And so, I got the paper out of the glove compartment, and I got the matches, I got this bonfire
23:58going in the back of a station wagon.
24:00Cool.
24:01Uh-huh.
24:02Here comes my mom.
24:03Thank God.
24:04I could have blown the whole thing up.
24:06Comes my mom and goes, what are you doing?
24:08And puts it out.
24:08Anyway, she didn't know what to do, so she called the fire department.
24:11And they told her to get a box of wooden matches, put me at the table, and let me light
24:16each
24:16one, and let it go down to almost burn me, but obviously they don't burn her.
24:22And I never touched another match.
24:25Wow, that was the method.
24:26That was the method for cigarettes.
24:27But you're a smoker.
24:27You're a lifelong smoker.
24:28No, I don't touch.
24:29I don't use matches, no.
24:31Oh, okay.
24:32That's a lesson.
24:33So, that was scary.
24:33But remember when people wanted to smoke, it was like, all right, we're going to sit on
24:37the counter with a pack of cigarettes, and you're going to sit here and smoke
24:39every single one of them.
24:40Yeah.
24:40And then that made you not-
24:41And then you feel so sick, you never want to smoke.
24:42Right.
24:42I did that to my daughter.
24:44She didn't smoke after that.
24:44So, you almost blew up a car at the age of five.
24:46They learned your lesson about matches.
24:48We're taking a quick wing break right now, just so you know.
24:51I said, Cindy's in the middle of the story, but she's eating a wing as we talk.
24:54Yeah, just side note, the fact that you smoke as much as you do, but you did the smoke
24:57a pack of cigarettes that I'm going to watch you so you never smoke with both of your
25:00kids is pretty incredible, and they didn't smoke.
25:03Wow.
25:04That's incredible.
25:04What works and what doesn't work.
25:06Yeah.
25:06Did you smoke with them?
25:08No.
25:08Wow.
25:09No, no, because I did one.
25:11Well, Jerk had asthma, extremely bad asthma.
25:13She almost died every year, if not twice, almost every year for 10 years.
25:19Oh, wow.
25:20So bad.
25:20For people that are just getting into this right now, and you've been listening to the
25:23Second End Cindy story, this is the raw version before we cut it into a movie.
25:27We have screenwriters.
25:29Second End Cindy is currently in the K-Rock studios.
25:31We decided to rent out the studio from Sluggo so that we could do this properly, film it.
25:36She's eating chicken wings now, and she's washing it down with a buzz ball.
25:38What flavor of buzz ball are you going with?
25:40I got the blue.
25:41I like this one.
25:42Yeah, that's the blue.
25:43Well, you have some big family-sized ones there as well.
25:45We don't want you to overdrink, because I know you still have to-
25:47I won't, and I'll tell you a story about the big ones.
25:49Okay, great.
25:50Great.
25:51I can't wait for that.
25:52We're just getting some of the origin story out of the way early on, and some of the things
25:57that made you the person you are today.
25:59A person who, by the way, we met, Ali and I had met, even our origin story, 10 years ago
26:04when we were doing a radio show in the Bay Area, and we heard telltale of a woman that
26:09we never even knew that was driving a car around that promoted our show on the outside of
26:14her car, not in a bumper sticker, spray-paned her whole car to promote our show.
26:17Yeah, it was like serial killer stencils.
26:19We said, this is impossible.
26:21We didn't ask anyone to do this.
26:22Our company wouldn't have done this.
26:23They didn't spend a dollar promoting our show.
26:24How could it be?
26:25And then someone sent us pictures of the car parked in a grocery store parking lot.
26:28And it was just being sighted.
26:29Just being, yeah, being, right.
26:31We're like, wow, that's amazing.
26:32And it was one of those times when Ali and I really believe no one liked us, no one listened
26:35to the show.
26:36And we had to track her down.
26:37We saw this car.
26:38We said, we need to find this woman.
26:39And lo and behold, you were the woman who lived in that car.
26:42And we heard your voice.
26:43And I think immediately Ali said, this is not Cindy.
26:45This is secondhand Cindy.
26:46And I believe we have a picture of secondhand Cindy draped over the hood of her car with
26:51a cigarette.
26:52Yeah.
26:52It was our first ever photo shoot.
26:53And here we are now all these years later.
26:55It's one of the more meaningful relationships in my life.
26:59Really one of the longest ones I've had, to be honest, is ours and the support you've
27:03given us to the show, but also just to the community of the other people.
27:07And I know you feel the same love.
27:09Hopefully you feel the same love back.
27:10I do.
27:11From the people you've met as a result of our show, which is why we really do want
27:14to help document your story and do something with it, because we get you on the air a little
27:19bit here, a little bit there.
27:20But there's a reason.
27:21It's not just so to make you relive all these painful moments of your life, but we think
27:25that there's a story in all of this.
27:28There is.
27:28An uplifting story.
27:29A modern-day Schindler's List.
27:31I guess, yeah.
27:33That's the best example.
27:34What's the one with the tennis players?
27:35Go back to Avengers Endgame.
27:37Avengers Endgame.
27:37I thought that one.
27:38I was thinking it was King Richard.
27:39King Richard.
27:40That one's sad, too.
27:41No, that one's not good, either.
27:42Real quick.
27:43Who came up with secondhand, Cindy?
27:46I don't know.
27:48Maybe.
27:48I want to give Allie credit on this one, but I shouldn't.
27:51I think it was you.
27:52No, I don't think you should.
27:53I don't remember.
27:54I feel like I maybe said it, and I forgot I said it, and then Allie referred to her as
27:57that,
27:57and I was like, that's genius.
27:58Genius.
27:58Yeah, I can't remember.
28:00Regardless.
28:00Maybe it created itself.
28:02Yeah, it is the name.
28:03You had no idea what I would look like.
28:07No, we didn't.
28:08We knew what you sounded like, and we knew how many cigarettes you smoked and what brand
28:11just based on your voice.
28:12I knew you thought I'd just show up like a lizard.
28:15Yeah, I didn't know.
28:16I didn't know what to expect.
28:17All of my expectations were-
28:19Exceeded.
28:19Exceeded greatly.
28:20And still one of my favorite people that when I see at one of our events, even just knowing
28:25that Second End City is going to be at our event, going into it, I go,
28:28Oh, at least we got one.
28:29I always go, at least we got one.
28:31So the upbringing, would you say you had a happy childhood overall?
28:36You know what?
28:36Yes.
28:37Yes.
28:37I had a great-
28:38I did have a happy childhood.
28:40I did.
28:41After the, you know, the burn in the car down, we'll fast forward to Darwin and my stepbrother,
28:50and he wanted to go camping, so he made a tent and all this in the back.
28:55I was 10.
28:55He was 14.
28:56This was in the backyard?
28:58Yeah.
28:58Yeah.
28:59And he wasn't-
29:00Mom told me after many years, she said she always knew something was up with him.
29:05Wrong with him.
29:06Yeah, just always knew.
29:07It just wasn't right.
29:08Anyway, so they went-
29:10He talked to him about camping out in the backyard, and obviously, Mom and Dad said,
29:16Okay, and of course, they didn't think anything of it, and so we did it, and then-
29:20How old was he at the time?
29:2114.
29:23Yeah, 14 and weird, and just-
29:26I mean, I'm looking back now, but at the time, I thought, you know, maybe it'd be fun,
29:30but anyway, so he proceeded.
29:36He, no penetration, you know, just music.
29:40Took me forever to play music at night, but music, I mean, because it didn't ruin me, you
29:44guys.
29:45It didn't.
29:45It didn't change my sex life or anything.
29:48It's just something that I went through, so after about a month, I knew something was
29:54right.
29:54I knew this wasn't-
29:56So this was ongoing?
29:57It wasn't just one occurrence?
29:58Yeah, ongoing, like once or twice a weekend or something, not every day, but on the weekend.
30:03But you knew something was wrong with what was happening.
30:04Yeah, I just didn't think that this was- I didn't know what I was seeing or touching
30:09or what, you know?
30:11And so I told a family- there was families.
30:16We were the Reiners.
30:17We had the Shays, the Reiners, the Neelys, the Whites.
30:22The Whites was a family we lived next door to-
30:24I don't know if that they're all the Whites in this story, but-
30:26That's a lot of descendants of my family, though.
30:28The Whites, the Whiters, the Whitest.
30:29Yeah.
30:30We're all getting together.
30:31Yeah, the Whites.
30:32I mean, that's a story in itself.
30:34Anyway, they'll come into play.
30:37Glenda White was the oldest, the only female.
30:39Glenda, Glenn Tom, Steve, Joseph, John.
30:44All very, very wealthy and extremely did great in their life.
30:49Were they also JCPenney millionaires as well?
30:51No, they went to.
30:52Everyone's just making the killing off of JCPenney in the 50s.
30:55It sounds like maybe we need to get JCPenney involved in this story.
30:57Nothing's going to go wrong.
30:58We're fucking rolling in it.
31:00We're all pennionaires.
31:01We can't log.
31:02We've got the photo shoots.
31:04I don't even know how much the stocks were in JCPenney's I had.
31:07I do remember the AT&T, though.
31:10Yeah.
31:10It's 500 shares at $65 a share.
31:14Still sit on a mountain of penny stock.
31:16It actually is a penny stock now.
31:18Yeah.
31:18So did you tell somebody?
31:19I told her, and she said I needed to tell Mom.
31:23And so she walked with me to my house, and I told Mom.
31:26I'm just looking at Mom like, what is she going to do?
31:29So that's okay.
31:30I will inform your dad.
31:32Inform my dad.
31:32My stepdad came home, called Darwin.
31:35We had a big den in the back of the house, huge den.
31:38He was over here.
31:41And so Tom was my stepdad.
31:44Tom went over and just beat him from one end to the other.
31:47And I left, obviously.
31:49A belt?
31:51A hand?
31:51His hand.
31:52A hand.
31:52Yeah.
31:53Well, you know what?
31:54It's good that they believed you.
31:57Oh, yeah.
31:57And it's good that they took it seriously.
31:59I mean, I know their method of just beating the shit out of somebody is a little old school.
32:02But still, the fact that they did something is...
32:04He didn't, like, hurt him.
32:05There was no blood or anything.
32:06But he let him know that it's wrong.
32:07Yeah, if I had had my way with him, I would have kicked his ass.
32:09I'm sure.
32:10I could beat up a 14-year-old, I think.
32:12I think you could probably take him.
32:13Yeah.
32:13I mean, it'd be tight.
32:15Touch and go for a little bit.
32:16But I think I'd get...
32:17And he wasn't a fighter, either.
32:19He couldn't beat anything.
32:20So, anyway, obviously, that stopped.
32:23My dad worked for him.
32:25And that was it.
32:25That never happened again.
32:26Never happened again.
32:27Wow.
32:27Okay.
32:28But he still continued to live with you guys?
32:30Oh, yeah.
32:30And he was still psycho.
32:31He broke a wine bottle over my head.
32:34Oh, Jesus.
32:35And then...
32:36Did you drink the shards?
32:37Yeah, what a waste of wine.
32:39I know.
32:40Bread, too.
32:42Oh, no.
32:46That tastes like Chianti.
32:47He was just a psycho from...
32:49Yeah, he was.
32:50Did he grow up to be, like, a psycho-psycho?
32:52He did.
32:53Dad ended up getting transferred.
32:55He worked for FAA.
32:56And he got transferred to Van Nuys.
32:59So, we moved to Chatsworth.
33:01He'll fit in great there.
33:02Yeah.
33:03We need more people like this working for the FAA.
33:06Darwin did not come with this.
33:08Okay, got it.
33:08Yeah.
33:09And my brother actually stayed with his friend, Jerry Walker.
33:13And that name is important to the shooting incident.
33:18Oh, fuck.
33:18So...
33:19Oh, man.
33:20Note to self, Jerry Walker.
33:21You're like Emily Chamel on story now.
33:24Thank you for helping us be, like...
33:26Keep that in mind.
33:26Yeah, I know.
33:27The only names I drop is, like, it continues.
33:30You know, I'm not going to drop, like, Karen.
33:32Well, she's in one, too, but...
33:34Oh, boy.
33:35That's another shooting incident.
33:36The Karen's in the whites.
33:37Yep.
33:38All right.
33:38So, anyway, so we moved to Chatsworth in 1972.
33:42I had long hair, wore makeup, white eyeshadow, false eyelashes, the whole bit.
33:49Because from age 13, I'd go, and even in Norwalk, I would go to my girlfriend Karen's house and put
33:56on all the makeup and do whatever.
33:58Go to school.
33:58It was exhausting.
33:59You leave school, go to hers, take it off, go home.
34:03Well, Mom caught me one time because I had a really risque outfit on.
34:07But, anyway, you guys are going to have to help me because sometimes I get sidetracked.
34:10Where we were before...
34:11You moved.
34:12Oh, yeah, so we moved to...
34:13Oh, so I cut the hair off, took the makeup off.
34:16I even changed my last name.
34:18I don't know.
34:19I don't know how I did that.
34:20For some reason, I think I did.
34:21But, anyway, because I was red when I was born, Reiner.
34:25Anyway, it doesn't matter.
34:26I just changed everything about me.
34:29And it was the best thing my parents could have done was moving us from Norwalk to Chatsworth.
34:35Okay.
34:35Because, obviously, Norwalk was really bad.
34:39And so, Darwin didn't stay.
34:42I mean, Darwin didn't go.
34:44Well, about a year or so, he ended up killing himself.
34:48Oh, wow.
34:49Well, I'm a little...
34:51I don't know.
34:52I have some questions about that because he got busted for making hash, hash oil, and
34:59a hash oil machine, all that.
35:00And he was detained in Norwalk, you know, county jail before he got transferred.
35:06And always, when you're detained, I don't care what year it was, you take everything away
35:10because they don't want you to kill yourself for whatever crimes that you do.
35:16Supposedly, he broke his neck with a sheet.
35:23One end around your feet, the other end around your neck, and you go back and you break your
35:28neck.
35:29I tried it.
35:30It doesn't work.
35:30You tried it?
35:32Because I don't believe that's what happened.
35:34So, you just wanted to kill yourself and you wanted to see if this was possible.
35:37You weren't trying to kill yourself.
35:39No.
35:39You wanted to see if this is possible.
35:41So, you tied a sheet around your own legs and neck and jumped backwards.
35:46So, you think he was killed while being detained?
35:48I think so.
35:49That's my guess.
35:50But I didn't go to his funeral.
35:51I danced when he died because I was young and dumb.
35:56And my dad, I'm sure, was suffering, I'm sure, severely because he lost his son.
36:04But my sisters went and that's what they thought too.
36:09But it was over.
36:10So, a lot of still speculation.
36:12Yeah, it was over and done.
36:13Yeah, I guess I had a black eye here.
36:15But I don't know.
36:16We don't know what happened.
36:17Wow.
36:18And hopefully dad didn't know.
36:19I don't really know.
36:20No, I don't want to cut off the stories.
36:22No, go ahead.
36:23But Vanessa's informing me that, as we know, we have the studio for a limited time today.
36:26Because Sluggo's going to get in here and we wanted to make sure we do this in the big studio.
36:29And so, we're going to have to do this, obviously, over the course of multiple different sessions.
36:32And some will be recorded and some will not be.
36:33But I do want to talk about the first arrest.
36:37The first time you remember being arrested.
36:39I think this is a pivotal moment.
36:42Maybe your Breaking Bad moment.
36:43When did this happen?
36:45First initially arrested, I was, let's see, that was the trip.
36:50I was coming back from the river in my new car by 240Z.
36:54I was coming back from the river.
36:56See, we've skipped ahead now.
36:57Now I'm confused.
36:58The river, we have to skip a few years.
37:00They were in Chatsworth.
37:01That was the river.
37:02Just don't worry about it.
37:03It's the river of Chatsworth.
37:03Everyone knows the Chatsworth River.
37:05It's great.
37:05Make sure you're on the mic there, too, Cindy.
37:06Oh, yeah.
37:07Sorry.
37:07Here.
37:09Yes, a bunch of us went down the Colorado River.
37:13And a friend of mine that was Karen, she went with me.
37:16So, we were down there.
37:17We had a blast.
37:18Now, it was time to come back.
37:19And when I hit 18 and I got the money, the first car I bought off the showroom wasn't brand
37:26new.
37:26It was a 240Z yellow, bright yellow, like neon yellow.
37:31And it was, like, up on a rack.
37:33And he's like, well, how are you going to pay?
37:35I'm like, cash.
37:36I mean, you should never treat anybody.
37:39You should always treat people with respect because you never know.
37:42I'm in a pair of shorts.
37:43I'm 18.
37:44He doesn't think I'm going to whip out six grand.
37:46Oh, yeah.
37:47It's like a pretty woman scenario.
37:48Get it off the rack.
37:49Here's my money.
37:50I want it.
37:51So, that car I took, on our way back, I was doing about 210.
37:56210 miles an hour?
37:57Yeah.
37:58Cars weren't that fast back then?
38:00240Z did.
38:02Wow.
38:03Six shift, just boom.
38:05I know.
38:05Crazy.
38:06I had a half gallon of tequila, half gallon of whiskey, and I was on cannabinol.
38:12I don't know if you guys know anything about that.
38:13That was a drug.
38:14Cannabinol.
38:14Isn't that a weed-based?
38:16Well, yeah, because obviously C, cannabinol, NTHC, is cannabinol, but this was pure cannabinol.
38:23Okay.
38:24Powder form.
38:25Oh, powder form.
38:26So, then you snort that?
38:27Whoa, yeah.
38:28Wow.
38:29So, you snorted that, tequila, everything else.
38:31Oh, yeah.
38:32And you're 18.
38:3318.
38:33And you're driving the car 210 miles an hour.
38:36Oh, yeah.
38:36Yeah.
38:37But I slowed down when I got to the 10 or 210.
38:39Responsible, responsible.
38:40When you got off the 15, you got to get on the freeway to go home, and got in the
38:43fast lane,
38:44but I thought I could pass in the fast lane.
38:47Well, there's no room to pass in the fast lane.
38:49I sideswiped the fence, not even fence, the concrete.
38:55The guardrail.
38:56Whatever, yeah.
38:58I'm like, hold on, Karen.
38:59We're going for a ride.
39:00No, I didn't even say that.
39:02Hit one car, hit another car, hit a third car.
39:06Ended up on the emergency lane past the slow lane.
39:12Okay.
39:12I ended up there.
39:14Anyway, so then, of course, the cops come.
39:17What did I do?
39:18Oh, my God.
39:19So, long story short, yes, they didn't find the cannabinoid, but obviously found the booze.
39:25The rest of DUI blew a .28.
39:28.28.
39:29Was that your high score in the DUIs?
39:31That's the highest, yeah.
39:32That's the highest you've gone.
39:33It's a .28.
39:33Yeah, .30.
39:34Well, they say .08, anything higher than .08.
39:37Right, .08, you're legally drunk.
39:38And .30, you should be.
39:40.30, you're dead.
39:41So .28, pretty much, that's like a 999 Powerball.
39:46And of the two of you, it was the choice to have Cindy Drive instead of Karen.
39:49Yeah, I guess.
39:50So, was Karen even more wasted?
39:52I don't remember.
39:53I don't really know.
39:55I hate to end that on that story, Vanessa.
39:57Yeah, go ahead.
39:58I was in the hall, so here's the thing.
39:59Okay.
40:00Secondhand, Cindy, the fact that you came in here means the world to us.
40:02I hope we have a legally binding contract now.
40:04Oh, we do, and I got to sign it.
40:06We're starting to get to the stories.
40:07So, we continue.
40:07We will get through.
40:08Yeah, a lot of times, you know, these movies, the great ones, Ali, sometimes I have to sit
40:11down and talk to the person.
40:12I know.
40:12It's a thing.
40:12Hours to come up with the right two hours for the movie or the TV show.
40:15Maybe this will be an animated cartoon, maybe?
40:17We don't know how this will play out.
40:18I don't know how you climb it.
40:19I am locked in.
40:20It's riveting.
40:21It's like watching an audio book live before my very eyes, and I've never read a book.
40:25Secondhand, Cindy, it's a pleasure.
40:27Enjoy your...
40:27Oh, there she goes.
40:28She's chug-a-lugging.
40:29There goes the buzz balls.
40:30Take your time.
40:31The Secondhand, Cindy, story coming soon to a theater near you.
40:34We have three years to get it off the ground.
40:35We're just going to continue with these little chats.
40:38Some will happen in the podcast.
40:39Some will happen outside of here, but we will keep you posted every step of the way.
40:43And, Cindy, what closing words do you have for our first sit-down chat with you?
40:48You know what?
40:49I really think that this is going to help me a little bit, which I never really care
40:55about that, but I think it's already, like, makes me, helps me feel a little better about
41:02You have to look at your life with a little bit of a closer lens.
41:05I guess that really someone would like to know about it.
41:09Yeah.
41:10Well, we want to know about it.
41:11That's impressive.
41:11There's a lot of lessons that can be learned from the life you've lived, the good and the
41:14bad.
41:14I hope so.
41:15I hope I can teach someone not to make the same mistakes.
41:17What I've learned is that JCPenney was a fantastic business.
41:20Man, if I could only get a time machine and a JCPenney, life would be different.
41:24Amazing.
41:25All right.
41:26We'll do it again next time.
41:27Until then, I say for Jake, wee!
41:29Wee!
41:29Wee!