00:00And demeanor kasi ni Baste, may pagka-canto style, may pagka-sangga.
00:05What we saw yesterday kasi is a very calm, composed.
00:08Yung kanyang demeanor is very, very statesman-like.
00:12Everyone was quite overwhelmed by the presence ni Baste.
00:17Medyo malakas yung dating, yung aura.
00:19I was really expecting that they will be confrontational kay Baste, Mayor Baste.
00:23Mukhang hindi rin talaga na-establish.
00:31Pilipinas, gising na sa day 31 ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte
00:36humarap bilang hostile witness.
00:38Anyak kanyang kapatid at si Davao City Mayor Baste Duterte.
00:43Kaunday po yan, ang kumpanyang i-dineklara ni BP Sara Duterte
00:46bilang business interest sa kanyang SAL-N.
00:49Ano naman kaya masasabi ng ilanating kapuso rito?
00:53Bakit hanggang ngayon, mami, hindi pa.
00:55Tapos si Paulette, ulit lang naman nila na ginagawa.
00:58Patagal ng patagal.
01:00Nagsasayang lang tayo ng pera.
01:02Nagsasayang tayo ng oras.
01:04Wala naman mangyayari dyan.
01:06Ulit-ulit lang yung nangyayari.
01:07Kailangan mabago ngayon yung gobyerno natin.
01:10Maganda rin po yun, ma'am.
01:12Pero mahirap lang po kasi
01:15sa Facebook
01:16kung ano-ano na lang yung makikita mong mga
01:20video na
01:21si ganito mali, si ganito tama.
01:25Di rin makakatulong yan
01:27pagdalo ni Baste.
01:32Ako, naiinip na mga kapuso natin.
01:35Yan ang ating pag-uusapan.
01:36Lilinawin at ihimayin.
01:38On record.
01:39Sa unang hirin.
01:41At ngayong umaga,
01:42mga kasama po natin,
01:43Professor Froylan Calilong,
01:44political analyst mula sa
01:45University of Santo Tomas.
01:47Professor, welcome back.
01:48Good morning.
01:48Thank you, thank you, Ivan.
01:49Thank you for having me again.
01:51Professor, we are on record now.
01:53Inabagan po itong pagsalang sa witness stand
01:55ni Davao City Mayor at kapatid ng BICE,
01:57si Maste Duterte.
01:59Pakipaluanag na una-una,
02:00Prof, what is the point of the testimony?
02:02Bakit siya pinatawag?
02:03Well, the point of the whole testimony
02:05is that they really would want to establish
02:07the direct link,
02:08the direct linkage between the Duterte family,
02:11presumably with the Vice President.
02:13Because she has stakes
02:15doon sa sinasabi nga na kumpanya.
02:19And then I think we need to also understand
02:22na talagang magkaibigan naman talaga
02:24yung pamilya and the owner of this Gencorp
02:27na si Jaime Tan Cruz.
02:29So basically, that is what they're trying to establish
02:32because this is part of the Salen.
02:34Dineklaran naman talaga sa Salen.
02:36And lumalabas,
02:39parang gusto nang sabihin ng prosecution
02:40na merong parang most favored contractor
02:43na treatment dito sa kumpanya na to.
02:46And eventually,
02:48maraming mga kontrata
02:49na naipasok nga dito sa Vice President.
02:53So technically,
02:54they're trying to make the necessary correlation.
02:56That's why they had to call on Mayor Baste
02:59because he was the one,
03:00being the head of the procurement entity
03:03o yung hope na tinatawag,
03:05meron siyang,
03:06kumbaga they would want to say
03:08na meron talaga siyang direct involvement dito.
03:12Pero yun nga,
03:12as it turned out,
03:13mukhang hindi nila masyadong na-establish.
03:16Okay.
03:16Bago natin puntahan yung detalyan
03:17na naging testimonya,
03:18marami yung nag-anticipate ng fireworks.
03:21Pasabog, Professor.
03:23Alam natin,
03:24si Mayor Duterte,
03:25matapang magsalitayan.
03:26Pero marami nagsabi na
03:28parang hindi yata nangyari
03:29inasahan mga pasabog.
03:31Actually, nakakagulat, Ivan.
03:35Undemeanor kasi ni Baste,
03:36kung alam natin talaga,
03:38very, ano siya talaga,
03:39medyo may pagkakanto style,
03:42may pagka-sangga,
03:43as people would like to say.
03:45But what we saw yesterday kasi
03:48is a very calm, composed,
03:50yung kanyang demeanor is
03:51very, very statesman-like,
03:53which I believe is,
03:55siguro,
03:56he was briefed very well
03:57by the legal team,
03:59na anything that he would say
04:01may definitely retaliate
04:03against the family,
04:05or it may resonate not really good
04:07with the public.
04:08So, he really maintained
04:09a very good composed demeanor yesterday.
04:12Napaghandaan, kumbaga?
04:13Maari, ano?
04:14Maari.
04:14And I think,
04:15yun ang gustong gawin sana
04:17ng prosecution, ano?
04:18Na ipakita siya
04:19bilang isang magagalitin,
04:21Siga.
04:22Siga, ano?
04:23Pero I think they,
04:25it failed to really
04:27establish that.
04:28Let's talk a bit further
04:30about yung demeanor
04:31na nabanggitin niyo
04:32at saka yung tono.
04:33Nakakuha ng considerable attention,
04:35nag-viral nga,
04:36yung pag-stroke niya
04:37ng kanyang baba
04:38na para bang may
04:39naka-usling
04:40middle finger.
04:42Ano naman ang observation niyo
04:43sa demeanor una
04:44ni Mayor Baste?
04:46Well,
04:46sa politics kasi,
04:48lahat yan,
04:49even the body language,
04:51actually,
04:51and yun nga,
04:52yung mga gestures,
04:53they mean a lot of things.
04:55And so,
04:56subliminally,
04:57maaaring itong
04:59paggawa ng gano'ng gesture
05:00ni Mayor Baste
05:02is in direct way
05:04of saying that
05:05parang,
05:06this is how I feel
05:08about you,
05:09and all these things
05:10that you have put
05:10the family into,
05:12basically.
05:13Pero,
05:13yun nga,
05:14maaaring pinapakita rin ito
05:15yung kanyang pagiging
05:17kalmado,
05:19medyo methodical,
05:20nag-iisip,
05:21kung ano
05:22at paano niya
05:23talaga lulusutan
05:24yung mga
05:24babanggitin
05:25ng prosecution,
05:26particularly
05:27which I think
05:29he was able
05:30to do naman
05:31kasi nga,
05:32konti lang yung mga
05:32binabanggit niya,
05:33kumbaga parang
05:34less talk,
05:35less mistakes,
05:36economy of words,
05:37that's what we saw here.
05:38And basically,
05:39yun yung medyo
05:41tumanim doon sa tao.
05:42So,
05:42if you're going to ask,
05:43mayroong bang
05:44na-establish dito
05:44yung prosecution?
05:45I think meron naman,
05:46dahil on record,
05:48nakita naman natin
05:49talaga yung
05:50yung dami,
05:51yung bilang
05:51ng mga kontrata,
05:52that's one.
05:53Pero yun nga,
05:54I think yung
05:55direct linkage,
05:56I think yun yung
05:57medyo hindi talaga
05:58na-establish
05:59because sinabi nga
06:00ni Mayor Baste
06:01that even
06:02he is the hope,
06:03he doesn't control
06:04the back.
06:05More on that in a bit,
06:06baligan ko lang
06:06yung demeanor.
06:07Sa mga senator judges
06:08naman,
06:09professor,
06:09parang hindi tayo
06:10nakakita ng
06:11masyadong
06:12confrontation
06:13or challenge
06:14even
06:14from the senator judges
06:15sa witness
06:17kahapon.
06:17yun nga eh,
06:17parang nakaka,
06:19siguro parang
06:20everyone was
06:21quite overwhelmed
06:22by the presence
06:23ni Baste.
06:25Maring hindi nila
06:26ito inaasahan
06:27pero yun nga,
06:28he came kasi
06:29with that kind of presence
06:31na medyo malakas
06:32yung dating,
06:33yung aura.
06:34And I think
06:35everyone was
06:36taken aback
06:37by his mere presence.
06:39And I was really
06:40expecting the
06:40Tulfo brothers
06:41to really
06:42grill him,
06:43confront him.
06:45Pero mukhang
06:45hindi rin.
06:46In fact,
06:47medyo yung line
06:47of questioning
06:48ni Rafi Tulfo
06:49mukhang
06:49hindi malinaw
06:51o hindi talaga
06:53naintindihan.
06:53And even
06:54with the other
06:55senator judges
06:56who I was really
06:57expecting that
06:58they will be
06:58confrontational
06:59kay Baste,
07:00Mayor Baste,
07:01mukhang hindi rin
07:02talaga na-establish.
07:03Himayin natin
07:04from both sides
07:04at the attorney
07:05to the professor.
07:06Again,
07:07na-achieve ba
07:08ng prosecution
07:08nung gusto nilang
07:09palabasin sa
07:10pagkupatawag
07:10kay Mayor Baste?
07:11Well,
07:12in a way,
07:13pero ito
07:13puro mga
07:14documentary
07:16evidences
07:17which actually
07:17spoke for themselves.
07:18The records
07:19will show
07:19naman clearly.
07:20Pero yun nga,
07:22yung coming
07:23from the horse's
07:24mouth,
07:24siya talaga
07:25yung directly
07:26mag-implicate
07:27sa kanyang sister,
07:28mukhang hindi
07:28talaga na-establish.
07:29Even if he was
07:30granted
07:31that label
07:33of a hostile
07:34witness,
07:35hindi talaga
07:36nila na-establish.
07:36Kahit may mga
07:37leading questions
07:38na kung titignan
07:38natin,
07:40they were not
07:41able to
07:41establish that.
07:42Pero at the
07:42very least,
07:43nalaman natin
07:44yung direct
07:44linkage niya
07:45between the
07:46family,
07:47Mayor Baste
07:47himself,
07:48and the
07:49businessman,
07:50the owner
07:50of GenCorp.
07:51I think that's
07:52the good thing
07:53about him.
07:53And then,
07:54siguro,
07:54on the part
07:55naman nung defense,
07:58naging maliwanag
07:59na yung pagkakaiba
08:00nga nung back.
08:01Kasi doon
08:02papasok yung
08:03bureaucratic layer
08:04na Mayor Baste
08:06is not
08:06micromanaging
08:07things.
08:08At ganoon
08:08naman talaga,
08:09ideally,
08:12in an ideal
08:14setting,
08:15practical setting,
08:16hindi talaga
08:16minamicromanage
08:18siya.
08:18So,
08:19yun yung
08:19naging defensa
08:20ni Mayor Baste.
08:21Pero,
08:22syempre,
08:22magre-resonate
08:23dito yung
08:24words na
08:24I don't know
08:25o hindi ko alam.
08:26Actually,
08:27yun nga
08:28ipupurso ko yan,
08:29Professor,
08:29kasi lumabas
08:30na may 19
08:31contracts
08:32na nag-grant
08:33sa GenCorp
08:34at marami
08:35dun,
08:36nakararami dun
08:37sa contracts
08:37sa yun,
08:38hindi dumaan
08:38sa public bidding.
08:40Tapos,
08:40yung apat naman
08:41na dumaan nga
08:42sa bidding,
08:42walang ibang bidder.
08:43Kumbaga,
08:45naipalabas ba
08:46na para bang
08:47favored contractor
08:48itong GenCorp
08:49and
08:49yung GenCorp
08:50ay diniklarang
08:52may business interest
08:53si BP Saradon
08:53sa kanyang sal-end.
08:54Yeah,
08:55that I believe
08:56was able
08:57they were able
08:58to successfully
08:59point that out.
09:00But,
09:01yun nga,
09:02kaya sabi ko kanina,
09:03yung documentary
09:04evidences
09:04will really speak
09:05volumes
09:06for itself.
09:07Pero,
09:07the point is
09:08yung mismong
09:09pag-implicate
09:11dun sa kanyang kapatid
09:12directly,
09:13hindi niya talaga
09:14nasabi
09:15kasi nga
09:15inihiwalay niya
09:17yung sarili niya
09:17dahil nga
09:18as the hope
09:20hiwalay yung
09:21trabaho
09:21nung BAC.
09:22So,
09:22he was the head
09:23of the procurement
09:24entity,
09:25ang trabaho niya
09:26i-assign yung BAC
09:27at pirmahan
09:28yung annual
09:29procurement plan
09:30or the APP.
09:31So,
09:31yung trabaho
09:33ngayon
09:33parang
09:34nailipat niya
09:35dun sa BAC.
09:36Pero,
09:36ang punto ni
09:37Senator Trillanes
09:38in an ambush
09:39interview yesterday,
09:40kung pwede yung
09:41sinasabi ni Mayor
09:42Rodbaste,
09:42eh lahat na lang
09:43ng mayor,
09:43they can feign
09:44innocence
09:45pagdating sa mga
09:46ganyan,
09:46nagka-problema
09:46sa mga kontrata
09:48sa LGU.
09:49Well,
09:50I think
09:50ang maganda rito,
09:51Sir Van,
09:51is at least
09:52yung procedural
09:52context,
09:53maaring mabago
09:54because of this.
09:55In the future,
09:57we could really
09:58come up with
09:58more stringent
09:59mechanisms
10:00para talaga
10:01mayroong
10:02direct understanding
10:03or knowledge
10:03yung mismong
10:05mayor,
10:06yung head of
10:06the local
10:07government agency
10:08para talaga
10:08masiguro natin
10:09na lahat
10:10ng mga kontrata,
10:10lalo na
10:11itong mga
10:11multi-million
10:12contracts
10:12sa to,
10:13eh talagang
10:13dumadaan
10:14sa kanyang
10:14direct knowledge.
10:16So,
10:16hindi lang
10:17sa back.
10:17Ito ngayon,
10:18Prof,
10:18binsang lumutang
10:19ang pangalan
10:20ni Mayor Baste
10:21as a possible
10:22Plan B
10:22for 2028.
10:24Sakali
10:24mag-disqualify
10:25si VP Sara
10:26as a result
10:27of this impeachment.
10:28What are your
10:29thoughts on
10:29the Plan B?
10:31Well,
10:32ito naman,
10:33matagal na lang
10:33pinufloat
10:34itong idea na to.
10:35If in case
10:36talaga na si
10:37VP Sara
10:38ay may impeach,
10:39syempre,
10:40they need to
10:40really come up
10:41with an alternative.
10:43Syempre,
10:43yung Duterte block
10:44naman,
10:45which is of course
10:46solid,
10:46may solid following
10:47sila,
10:47let's face it,
10:48sa Mindanao,
10:48parts of Visayas.
10:50Kung may impeach
10:51si VP Sara,
10:53we don't expect
10:53them to actually
10:55voting for
10:55the administration
10:56candidate or
10:57they will definitely
10:57not go for
10:58Lenny Robredo,
10:59for example.
11:00So,
11:00they really
11:01will need to
11:01gravitate around
11:02a leader
11:03that they feel
11:04carries that
11:05Duterte brand
11:05or the Duterte
11:06magic.
11:07So,
11:07most likely,
11:08baste,
11:09by 2028,
11:11it's already
11:1140 years old.
11:13So,
11:13pupwede na siya
11:14talagang humabol.
11:15yun nga,
11:16yung naipakita
11:17kahapon
11:17ng prosecution
11:18para sa akin,
11:19mas parang
11:20nag-backfire pa nga,
11:22sana mas maganda
11:23kung hindi nila
11:23pinetawag.
11:24Kasi parang
11:24magbiligyan nila
11:25ng stage,
11:26ng national stage
11:28itong si Bastet
11:29to really
11:29show his wares.
11:30So,
11:31and I think
11:31this is what's,
11:32if you look at
11:32social media right now,
11:33people are saying,
11:34same thing.
11:35Pero,
11:35of course,
11:36the detractors
11:37of Duterte
11:37will always
11:38question him.
11:39Wala palang
11:40alam yan eh.
11:40Hindi pala
11:41naiintindihan eh.
11:42So,
11:43you know,
11:43always two sides
11:44of the coin.
11:45Kasi nga,
11:46sobrang polarized
11:46yung political
11:47sphere natin.
11:48Ito naman,
11:48ang Malacanang,
11:49ang official line nila,
11:50the president
11:51is not thinking
11:52of politics right now,
11:53abala sa trabaho.
11:54Pero,
11:55for sure,
11:56Malacanang is
11:57keenly observing
11:59the impeachment trial
12:00and all the moving parts.
12:02Ano kayang
12:03nagiging
12:04processing
12:05ng
12:05nang-administration
12:06dito sa mga
12:07nangyayaring ito?
12:08Well,
12:08Sir Van,
12:10hindi natin po
12:11pwedeng ihiwalay.
12:12Lahat na nangyayaring
12:13ngayon sa impeachment,
12:14let's face it,
12:15is really in line
12:15already with 2020.
12:16The positionings,
12:18coalitions,
12:18alliances.
12:19In fact,
12:21yung langyayari sa
12:22kung paano gumagalaw
12:23ngayon itong impeachment
12:24will dictate also
12:24how the Congress
12:25and the Senate
12:26will react,
12:26especially the placings
12:28and the coalitions
12:29that will be established
12:30for 2020.
12:31And so,
12:32Malacanang is deeply
12:33invested in this
12:35because not only
12:36their political survival,
12:37but of course,
12:38kung sino kasi
12:38yung mananalo rito,
12:40alam naman natin
12:41yung trajectory
12:42ng politika natin,
12:43kung sino yung
12:44nakarang administration
12:45papanaguti
12:46ng kasalukuyan,
12:46and vice versa.
12:47So,
12:48basically,
12:48ganun ang mangyari dito.
12:50So,
12:50to say at the very least
12:51that Malacanang
12:52is not invested in this
12:53or is not keenly
12:54watching this proceedings,
12:55I think that's an understatement.
12:58Talagang meron
12:59at meron silang stake dito.
13:00Nakikita naman natin ito
13:01with the way
13:02things are going on
13:03in the Senate.
13:04Mga kapuso,
13:05bantayan natin maige,
13:07marami pa tayong
13:07aabangan
13:08dito sa nangyayaring ito.
13:09Professor Froylan Kalilong,
13:11sir,
13:11thank you very much.
13:12Thank you so much.
13:13Ang mga issue
13:14yung pinag-uusapan,
13:15lilinawin at
13:16hihimayin natin
13:16on record.
13:17Sa unang hiri.
