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A special broadcast of Pollution Ka Solution examines the escalating air pollution crisis across major urban centres, focusing on Delhi NCR and Mumbai, where hazardous Air Quality Index levels and winter toxic smog are creating an influx of pollution refugees. Residents and professionals, including Bharat Singh Kanwal, former advocate Prashant Kalra, and fashion designer Anuradha Prasad Dhawan, detail abandoning their careers and homes to relocate to destinations like Bengaluru and Goa after severe pediatric respiratory emergencies, persistent asthma, and health complications forced their departure. The discussion highlights broader urban systemic issues such as deficient waste management, unchecked deforestation, and rising cancer and respiratory burdens among children and senior citizens, with lifestyle expert Luke Coutinho noting that dietary adjustments cannot reverse cellular lung damage caused by toxic exposure. Panellists address policy implementation challenges surrounding the National Clean Air Programme and Graded Response Action Plan, calling for year-round interstate governance, strict environmental compliance accountability, and civic participation to counter urban air quality deterioration.
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00:16Hello and welcome. You're watching Pollution Ka Solution. Well, quick update over there. We've
00:20completed four weeks of our campaign. And just to tell you where we stand, here's a glimpse.
00:26You saw the launch campaign that we had on the 22nd of August. Honourable Chief Minister of Delhi took
00:32the pledge that an idea or several ideas of innovation that can help in solving Delhi's
00:37massive problem of air pollution, ideas that come forward, ideas that can solve them,
00:44will be implemented before AQI starts exceeding its hazardous levels. Again, during the winter.
00:51And if you've been feeling that little nip in the air, you know pollution season has been coming.
00:55Now, the update now is we've received multiple entries, over 1500 entries to be precise,
01:02and our jury is hard at work. We are going through all those entries one by one to understand what's
01:09really workable and what's not. But while our jury is hard at work, we are using this platform every
01:16weekend to remind you why this problem is so important. And today I have something for you
01:22that has a personal connection, something that strikes a chord for anyone who has lived in Delhi.
01:30And I'm talking about this phenomena called pollution refugees. Who are they? Well, these are people
01:37who permanently or on a temporary basis move out of Delhi every time the pollution season goes up.
01:45Every time the AQI goes into the hazardous category, they say, you know what,
01:50this is not worth it, and they move out. I'm sure you know, I know personally of so many people
01:56who bag in baggage with their families, quitting their jobs, have decided to live outside of Delhi,
02:04some in the mountains, some in, you know, towards the sea as well. They just had enough of the city
02:10life.
02:10So today I'm sitting down with a couple of them to really try and understand what was the trigger
02:16and what changed thereafter.
02:28Hi, my name is Bharat Singh Karanwal. I run a boutique company that do sourcing and marketing for brands.
02:34We live in Bangalore. I live with my wife, my son and my mother.
02:49In 2022, September, my son was born.
02:54So immediately after September, the winter started coming in, in October, late October.
03:00And then we started to realise that this pollution is not going to get over.
03:04and then Diwali came in and people bursted crackers and then added up to
03:10the whole situation. So we thought okay well let's give it another year and then
03:142023 came up and then the whole winters we were there the same scenario same
03:19routine in Delhi when we were we were there starting September till January
03:2915th 20th this winter this pollution so five months which were it used to be
03:36very good for Delhi people used to go to Delhi from across India just to feel the
03:41winters because it used to be very nice but then for the last 10 12 13 years it's
03:46it's it's a nightmare when we moved from Delhi pollution was the major factor that
03:53we considered you know really families friends there are moments that we have
03:59lived my son was born in Delhi so it is it is always a special place for me but we
04:07have to consider other things also in life pollution being a very big part of
04:13that problem that is not getting solved is something that is bothering us was
04:18bothering us more or less it's fine here in Bangalore we're more out in throughout
04:23the day throughout the year we can go out any time of the day outside I can
04:29take my son outside for playing in the garden for a drive and pollution is
04:35something that is I that I'm not bothered of very much it simply serves
04:40survival it's not my aggression escape it's simply survival if if for example
04:44Bangalore has a traffic issue if traffic becomes so severe that I cannot move my
04:49car or it become it affects my day-to-day life so much so that I I become I start
04:58falling ill I get some chronic illness blood pressure diabetes then I will
05:06think of moving from Bangalore also it will be a survival only it's not
05:10migration escape it's just about people are trying to survive we we cannot push
05:14back on on policy level
05:27joining me now is Anuradha Prasad Dhawan she's a Delhi based fashion designer who
05:32has had enough of Delhi especially when it comes to the AQI she goes out of Delhi
05:38goes and lives in Goa when pollution gets really bad she migrates there every
05:43year as pollution season peaks also with us today is Prashant Kalra he's an
05:48advocate he permanently shifted out of Delhi to Goa and started a real estate
05:53agency there six years ago Delhi's worsening AQI obviously took a visible
05:58toll and he has a three-year-old daughter I have a three-year-old daughter I know what
06:02that really means he has a three-year-old daughter and he said that the
06:06breathlessness regular nebulization became part of their everyday life and
06:10that's when he had to take the hard call so let me start with you Prashant
06:16it's not an easy call and it's something all us parents who have kids growing up
06:22here who have lives here struggle with or at least think about every year every
06:30pollution season that's the idea in our head can you take me back to the point
06:34where you cut that cord that umbilical cord that we have with our with our Delhi
06:41which which you said that okay I've had enough I know my career is here I know my
06:45life is here this is where millions aspire to come and be but not the place for me or
06:51my kid do you remember that precise moment well first of all thank you for having me on
06:56Sonal I do remember that moment and just to add my daughter was three when that moment happened
07:03it's been around seven and a half years since but she was three years old it was October of 2018
07:10and the breathlessness had been building as it does for many kids of that age because they breathe
07:16faster they metabolize the toxin faster and one fine night she woke up gasping for air saying daddy I
07:25can't breathe why can't I breathe now as you know as a parent if your kid says that to you
07:31you're not
07:32going to be calm you're going to be pretty frantic you're going to be very protective and you're going
07:37to take if you can life-changing measures so that was the night we decided that we were done and
07:45we needed
07:45to make some drastic changes and for us it really was goa and no thing which we thought about and
07:54did over
07:54the span of a year we decided in October and in February we were gone it took us four months
08:00but
08:00we needed to find a place to live we needed to choose a school etc etc once we did that
08:04we were
08:04gone so that's the exact moment and that's how it happened all right I'm going to get back to you
08:09Prashant and understand more in detail on why goa how has life changed how did you find work you've
08:16shifted professions you were an advocate and now you do real estate so that's quite a switch and I'm sure
08:22all of this is happening because of the child as well but let me take that question uh to Anuradha
08:28next Anuradha the pictures that you see behind me Delhi doesn't look like this it hasn't looked like
08:34this in a really really long time right uh to share an anecdote with you people like us who don't
08:41who
08:41are migrants who came from UP and other places and we thought Delhi is the place to be this is
08:46where I'm
08:46going to make a career it's a city of dreams this is where I'm going to really go achieve
08:50everything that I want this is a city of possibilities as well only to grow up now and
08:56having stayed here for over two decades to realize that it's just not worth it anymore because I'm
09:02questioning everything the air I breathe the water I drink the food I get the traffic on the road the
09:08quality of life itself do you to the same question then that I asked Prashant do you remember the
09:14precise moment where you said listen I know my business is there I know my clients are there this
09:19is the glam world but I've got to shift pace because life is too precious so for me uh Sonal
09:27uh it was
09:29staggered it was kind of staggered um I'm really happy that you guys are doing this kind of a campaign
09:35on this kind of a sustained uh addressal of the state of affairs and in NCR I live in Burgao
09:43and we
09:43moved uh 23 years ago from South Delhi and we moved because living in South Delhi had become
09:50a pain uh it was it was the air in Burgao was much cleaner uh children were little uh it
09:59felt like
09:59Burgao was a great choice however 23 years down the line the children have flown the coop
10:04and uh it was sometime just before before COVID struck uh that I I realized it was getting just
10:14getting too much I had raised two children both of whom uh were suffering asthma and uh it had been
10:20you know it had been uh we live on golf course road in Burgao which many times over has been
10:27uh under
10:28reconstruction and uh for for uh all those years of the children growing up it was just this uh dread
10:37coming up looming up every time the festive season started and then you knew that all through till
10:43March March April you know because there is other kinds of uh allergens uh in springtime uh it was
10:50going to be horrible so children's studies impacted obviously your work is impacted you're racing
10:56around between nebulizing trips and the pediatrician etc uh so the children had gone by the start of
11:04uh COVID and which is when I started to myself experience uh severe sinusitis and uh a couple of years
11:15down the line after getting an audiometry run I realized because I was suffering tinnitus
11:20I realized that uh hearing in one of my years had been impacted and uh yes and the uh the
11:28ENT uh
11:29specialist she explained to me she says uh Anu you the only way you can be healthy because otherwise
11:38you're a healthy person you lead a very healthy life is uh you move away and by that time you
11:45know
11:46it was like I said it was staggered moments uh the rest of my family my sister first who was
11:51also
11:51asthmatic moved away from NCR to Goa and then my parents moved and and after that it just became
11:59you know the fact that I knew I was physically affected my children by that time god bless them
12:05they were healthy they were healthy wherever they are in the world uh but I realized that this was not
12:11happening I also uh have uh you know worked in environment matters and I I saw enough reasons
12:19to understand that living in NCR is a no-go so yeah I travel I I'm out I go to
12:28Bombay I go to Goa
12:29uh whenever whenever the discomfort is so much that I can't even manage it with medication I just
12:34go yeah and uh this is interesting because so far I've been hearing and I'm uh you know covering
12:43health means that I am around doctors a lot more than you guys and the horror stories that I hear
12:47from them are so many more I had been hearing a lot from pediatricians and you guys I must say
12:53were
12:53early movers back in 2018 we were still educating people on what air pollution meant they thought it
12:59so sirf fog hai dhund hai as they would like to call it right people did not even wake up
13:05to the
13:05idea of air pollution until then and it was largely pediatricians who were talking about it then it
13:11came to pulmonologists I remember that picture in Medanta which was released of kids having black
13:17lungs having smokers lung and kids as young as five and six having that that was and that really blew
13:24up
13:24and got everybody thinking so brachant when you took your child to the doctor and you said this is
13:31the condition was it the doctor's prescription to say listen the only solution is to leave Delhi
13:40I mean they don't put it in so many words sonal they say now they do actually it's now the
13:44doctor
13:44says you have to save yourself from Delhi to Delhi we've come a full circle
13:51I would say that's progress because at least they're being transparent uh because back in the
13:56day they would just prescribe more and more medicines and say and you know it had been
14:02normalized and it wasn't just the doctors that you know that was the issue it was the mindset right so
14:08a lot of affluent families were organizing outdoor birthday parties in November December when the AQI was
14:14at 600 700 and you don't want to be socially awkward you don't want to hold your kid from attending
14:20these things but then also you notice that nobody's wearing a mask and I know if my kid goes and
14:25attends
14:25one of those things in like 800 AQI she's basically going to be in bed for the next week this
14:31was the
14:31case back then touch wood god bless she's much healthier she's fine now I've never used a nebulizer
14:37on her since we moved but my point is the mindset was a big issue in addition to everything else
14:44no one
14:44was like willing to consider the concept of caution or precaution it was just you know head in the sand
14:52ostrich we're going to go about our lives and I even heard people say immunity that was like that blew
14:59my
14:59mind I was like so I'm sure you heard all of this but I'm just sharing my perspective of what
15:04the case
15:04this was back in 2018 and if doctors are saying I would say that's progress yeah and just to
15:15underline what you just said you basically have said that the only prescription your daughter needed
15:20was that was the only prescription that she needed because the moment she got out of there
15:26you're saying she's doing better but this mindset and rather do you feel that you sort of face it
15:33even now I face it even now and perhaps several times at weddings or in other places the only one
15:39with an N95 mask I'm in several places being the only mom who's crusading for better air purifiers
15:47who's crusading to say that you know winter is not the only time where we need air purifiers now we
15:52have summer pollution in summers also it's going up to 200 while adults do not feel it immediately
15:57it's not like covid that you're dropping dead but it's killing you slowly so are you guys still
16:03facing that issue in your environment I'll go to Anuradha yeah yeah it's a it's a form of
16:13reverse snobbery in the sense that oh you know how come you know you you keep running off you know
16:22you're going off to go out like you know you have that you're privileged to be able to of course
16:27I'm
16:27privileged I am uh but apart from this irresponsibility uh of citizenry or this I would all call it
16:38ignorance because by now everybody's aware it's just it's just like what Prashant said you know uh
16:44ostrich the ostrich mentality apart from that there is the sheer apathy on the part of governance and
16:51administration that is the one that really blows my brain that how is it you know there is this
16:58national clean air program which is some 20,000 crores uh worth of your and my money yeah uh everybody
17:07knows there is double burning construction dust vehicular and industrial emissions everybody knows that
17:15there is lack of base management uh but the the bummer of it all is the lack of coordination
17:22between all the agencies whether it is your MOE FCC or the state governments or uh you know whether it
17:31is uh your municipal corporations somehow like I said because I work in environment uh part of a
17:38citizens movement and uh I have stood and campaigned uh outside uh at the side of a landfill and
17:46actually seen what a landfill is part of the reason why my professional trajectory went from being a
17:53regular you know commercial commercially driven fashion designer towards the cause of slow sustainable
17:59fashion uh was was this that I could see how the the emissions even from a landfill
18:08there's nothing burning in there but yes there's a so fire cooking in the landfill and what is that
18:15landfill I mean I'm I'm bringing a landfill up because for me my uh my focus right now is waste
18:22my life's purpose is waste yeah and people people need to understand that everything to do with human
18:30lifestyle ultimately shows up in that land the fact that there is no segregation uh of waste
18:38waste at source the fact that there is no uh decentralization of proper waste management no
18:45implementation no punitive action taken for real you know till till a few months ago gurgao societies
18:53uh who lapsed on uh waste segregation were being uh fined 25 000 and this all adds up the way
19:02the
19:03forests are being cleared out this is all lining up you know we we are uh as it is gasping
19:10for breath
19:10and then all around us we see uh it's it's a very very sad and sorry state of affairs i'm
19:18not surprised
19:18that half of ncr is at least delhi south delhi gurgao sitting in goa and probably will make a mishmash
19:24of goa as well who knows uh but yeah really prashant is that true half of south delhi sitting in
19:32goa now
19:32that's uh why your real estate business is now booming because you had the early mover advantage
19:37so i i will confess that uh real estate in goa has had a very profitable relationship from the
19:46pollution in delhi i think and it's not just delhi it's not just delhi i would say because like we've
19:52handled clients who've uh who've moved out of bombay we've we've had clients who've moved out of
19:58various cities across india and have tried to look at not just pollution but overall quality of life as
20:05you said in the beginning of the segment uh things like traffic things like you know just being able
20:10to slow down and and it started off as being um the thing that the affluent would go for because
20:17they could buy the homes etc etc but now i'm seeing a job immigration as well there are people coming
20:23here and and many of them are working with us some of them are working with us who are looking
20:27for jobs
20:28in simple things like editing shooting uh chefs you know so there's a lot of people who are just trying
20:35to get out of the city take a small place on rent and just try and live a little bit
20:39better even if
20:40it means they make less money yeah and i think uh there are places across the country that might
20:46come up as hubs for that sort of thing goa's just top of that list right now it it may
20:52have company
20:52in a few years but as for now it is definitely top of mind yeah you know this is this
20:59is really sad
21:00uh one person's problem is uh another person's profit in some cases or perhaps in all cases when it
21:07comes to india at least but here we are can i um get some closing thoughts from you guys
21:13and understand this and rather if i were to if this program that we're doing were to be successful
21:20and i really hope that's you know that's what keeps me up at night every day if we manage to
21:26find
21:26a solution for air pollution would you come back to delhi permanently
21:34um yes and no depends on how how soon that happens and uh the way things are right now
21:44so with all the best intentions of experts uh health people people who work in health and
21:54i'm sure you know there are there are so many consultants and experts who work with the
21:59government somehow all your policies like i mentioned the national clean air program they're
22:06they're not working you know they're not working it there has to be according to me i think the single
22:13most um uh act that is going to perhaps hasten if you're saying that we you know we can work
22:21to clean up
22:21uh ncr air i think that single most thing would be uh punitive action of the hardest kind
22:31and and not wait for grab four and all to happen grab one means chalu karo you know it's it's
22:41like
22:41then all guns blazing sorry i'm using that kind of a metaphor it has to be really hard
22:51sustained and effective and therefore effective we need a more transparent uh responsible and a very
22:59very just system it cannot be business as usual you know i personally would like to appeal to the
23:05pmo yeah yeah and the uh the minister in charge of uh moefcc you have to look at it holistically
23:14why is it that the priority the top most polluted cities or urban areas of the world are sitting in
23:22india really i mean with whatever 1.4 billion population uh most populous country in the world
23:30this pollution is impacting at so many different levels it's going beyond health it's getting into
23:38now just sheer life it's getting into when people ask questions like oh kazakhistan to 22 million ki
23:45country but look at how they are performing at the asian games and look at but itne billion ki country
23:52but it's because of these things na they're not being able people are not being able to breathe
23:59we are seeing now for the last since my kids were born which is like 30 35 years ago we
24:05are seeing so many kids
24:06i remember back then nebulizer
24:09and the pediatrician he was so sweet he says you know i'm keeping this nebulizer with me
24:16and whenever i remember once i had two parents waiting in my drawing room for the nebulization
24:22to finish with my young kid three four year old daughter it's 30 years ago and uh then you know
24:29and that's how we became friends you know what i'm picking up from you is that we've had enough
24:33we've had enough of waiting for the government to do something we've had enough of waiting for a
24:38solution to arrive and it's been 20 years if not more in waiting and prashant closing word there
24:43uh any solution and i'm optimist okay i still believe in i still believe in india i still believe
24:51that something will happen i still work for it every single day and i really believe that steps
24:57taken today will have an impact if not tomorrow immediately then certainly in some time we've
25:02got to start and we've got to start now we're already way behind to last closing word from you
25:08because i know that the delhi chief minister is watching i know that the environment minister is
25:12watching i know that they want to do something this time around what is it that you want to tell
25:17them
25:18quick 30 seconds well look i think pollution in delhi is not just a delhi problem uh it's a problem
25:26that spans multiple states that just culminates in delhi so those three states have to be taken
25:31under the wing of a consolidated decision making process to address this problem uh i think that
25:38given delhi's unique geography that's one big problem the other big problem is i don't understand
25:43why we keep chopping off all the trees so many trees have been chopped in delhi in the last decade
25:48and i'm not able to understand why country in a city that is choking and is so densely populated
25:53instead of planting trees we're chopping them uh and to to quickly jump on to your question as to you
25:59know what you asked anu as to whether you know things if things improve would one move back i think
26:04uh for me personally uh goa's home uh i believe me i love delhi born and raised uh it's been
26:11my home
26:12for the majority of my life but i think things that ship has sailed for me personally my daughter
26:18considers goa home uh we built a life here we worked very hard to build a life here we enjoy
26:24the the pace
26:26the lack of population density and the overall just general flow of this place it's something that is
26:32better suited to our personalities and our characters but on pollution i feel that it is a fixable
26:37problem but it takes a lot of political and public will to come together and solve it all right on
26:46that
26:46note pachantara radha thank you so much for joining us today sharing your stories i am uh these are not
26:52new but i believe they still need to be told i think what people will gain by looking at this
26:58conversation is understand really how deep the issue of pollution really is because there are
27:04still a lot of naysayers out there and we really hope this message reaches to them having understood
27:11that let me take you to another guest of ours joining me next is luke utino he's not just a
27:15lifestyle coach
27:16one of the most well-known in the country but he's also somebody who transitions between in and out of
27:21mumbai which is also hugely polluted like i keep saying it's not a delhi problem anymore
27:27luke is also someone who actually deals with patients who suffer from these issues so let's
27:32try and understand from him how is he catching up with the issue of pollution all right let me welcome
27:39luke utino on the program now hi luke how you're doing i'm doing good sona thank you yeah well uh
27:45you
27:46know we've spoken over the years on so many things when it comes to health and lifestyle so i'm excited
27:51to talk to you today about air pollution one thing that impacts health and lifestyle more than
27:57anything else uh you are somebody who lives where who lives in mumbai who faces pollution you know
28:04now and then but you also toss over but before i come to your personal you know story on this
28:10one
28:10help me understand how many clients are you seeing or are you seeing an upswing in the number of people
28:15who are now facing issues because of pollution yeah absolutely that number is escalating year by
28:21year in the months where pollution hits our patients across mumbai and delhi we've even recorded these
28:26numbers in the pil that we've you know filed last year with the supreme court this revolves around our
28:31senior citizens with uh aggravation of their lung conditions their copd their emphysema and young
28:38children being born with compromised lungs as well and the immunocompromised patients across all age groups
28:44is the impact that pollution is happening having on our citizens right so what prompted you to file
28:51this pil it's very simple you know our doctors give the best medication we try to give them the best
28:57nutrition and lifestyle but if the environment around us is not helping we can have the best food
29:02in the medicine but air is something that we breathe and that's there's no medicine that can undo the
29:07damage of that and there is no food or lifestyle that can undo the damage of that the only thing
29:12that
29:12can change that is cleaner air and that's why it's part of you know india it's part of our growth
29:18as a
29:18country not just economically but even health wise and that's the reason we seek government support
29:24to you know bring awareness and hopefully a task force that looks at pollution in a broader you know light
29:31all right am i understanding you correctly you are effectively telling me that
29:35no kind of super food no kind of detox tea no kind of super expensive highly organic diet
29:45even with somebody like lucutino once the damage for air pollution is done nothing can undo it
29:53yeah absolutely i mean see food is a structure it's not like a magic miracle nor there's no superfood which
30:00can perform a miracle in the human body you know while we can use food it can improve you know
30:05folates in our body dna etc but once pollution hits us and it creates damage there's no food that can
30:12undo
30:12it like you know a statin can bring down cholesterol you know medication for blood pressure can bring down
30:17systolic and diastolic but the damage done by pollution there is no medicine for that so then you know what
30:23happens people will start misusing marketing to sell you anti-inflammatories or antioxidants etc which
30:30honestly they have their place in human health but it cannot undo it cannot undo what pollution is doing
30:37so we need the right tools and the right medicines for the right conditions and air is one of them
30:41that
30:41the human body requires for cellular health right um it's it's without a doubt i think that people
30:50that there is enough evidence to say what air pollution is really doing to us in fact pollution
30:56of any kind it could be air it could be in our water it could be in our environment it
31:00could be several
31:00other things uh for you personally knowing and having all this knowledge and staying in bombay how has that
31:08impacted your life choices yeah it has but we all have to live with a certain level of acceptance i
31:13live
31:13in mumbai for work right now i'm from goa i would wish to go back to go at any given
31:18point and you know
31:19have air but when i look at millions of citizens who don't have a choice to leave places like delhi
31:24and
31:24bombay yeah we have to believe that somewhere we can adapt and that's why as human citizens
31:29we should use our power and our voice to you know i mean what are we leaving for the generations
31:33behind
31:34us you know it's easy for me to leave the city and just go back and go and work from
31:38there and see
31:39patients there i'm not i'm not contributing towards making a better india so i need to you know this
31:44problem has to be solved with the government with the people with so many things in our
31:49infrastructure coming together so i would ideally like to leave mumbai right now at this particular
31:54point and go back to a place but millions of citizens don't have that ability our patients
31:59don't have that ability so i prefer to work with what we have in mind and hope that governments and
32:04you know people unite together to understand how disastrous air quality is for all of our health and
32:10our upcoming generations and work you know in a sane manner to reduce this over time in the
32:16meantime we can only make our bodies stronger our immune system stronger eat better not smoke if
32:22we're already smoking sleep better you know build stronger immune systems because somewhere our bodies
32:27will also adapt you know let me be honest with you everyone living in delhi and mumbai with the
32:31pollution levels of last year should already have lung disease but everyone doesn't it will hit
32:36people who probably have weaker immune systems or more genetically predispositioned because our
32:41bodies are also adapting all the time but it doesn't mean we don't overlook this and use the
32:46whole hey we're resilient as indians and don't do anything about it yeah we work on our health and
32:50we work with the government hoping that there will be a positive change it's interesting you say that
32:56because you know i was sitting with an oncologist yesterday who said that the biggest threat and i was
32:59trying to ask him why there are so many cancer cases that are emerging and he said the number one
33:04cause
33:04for cancer at the moment is pollution absolutely and he's the best oncologist in the country right
33:11now and when doctors are saying it when lifestyle you know gurus like you are saying it when media
33:17we are trying so hard to press upon the government year after year to say let's fix this problem let's
33:23prioritize air let's prioritize health health first as a nation we've been trying to say this help me
33:29understand what do you think keeps india a country which has so many bright minds from coming to a
33:38solution what's holding us back it's got to be the policies in between you know there are still
33:44factories in delhi owned by some of the most powerful people in the country that fake their
33:48certifications and their air pollution certifications and audits everyone knows about this these same
33:55people support government elections etc and all of these things so you know unless unless law and
34:01order in our country changes policies change and the people who are in prominent positions who believe
34:06they can only control their industries etc the cost of human health you know we are brilliant minds
34:12and trust me there are solutions that can change air pollution in our country rapidly we have these
34:18solutions we've spoken to experts on these solutions but you can have a solution if it's not enforced or
34:23backed by you know governments and make you know you make it happen we have a big problem so corruption
34:29is our biggest issue right now right i'm so glad you said that which is a good point for me
34:34to wrap up
34:35this segment as well and remind our viewers we exist and we are having this conversation because we are
34:39part of this campaign called pollution cast solution and this is not just where we're asking people to
34:45send in their solutions there will be adoption the delhi government the chief minister will be picking out
34:51the top solutions there's not just a cash price but adoption by the government which is what we're
34:56all looking forward to and until then our job is to keep reminding you what really matters and it is
35:03as always health first with that i'm going to wrap up see you in a bit
35:08you