00:00Well, I think that the psychological difference is enormous because, first of all, you don't know
00:04how the birth is going to go. You don't know when the birth is going to happen. You don't know
00:08how
00:08the child or the mother are going to fare after the birth. So you have, actually, you don't know
00:12what you're going to need. So in that sense, it's very difficult to put the onus on the new father
00:18to say, you tell me what you need and we'll, what, like you're going to suddenly leave your
00:22team high and dry. That's a very high psychological burden to clear. But in terms of the other
00:29psychological side of it is effectively what our system is saying, as it's a fundamentally
00:33different model from the rest of Europe and most OECD countries, is that parenting is the
00:40mother's job. And what they're saying, what the system effectively is communicating is that
00:44parenting is actually, it's your, the mother is the parent and the father is just there to
00:51support the mother if needed. It doesn't, it doesn't paint a picture of fathers being equal
00:58parents. And I think that's where the problem really lies.
