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Tuesday, July 15, 1913

RECALLS HE WAS TOLD STORY OF CONLEY

Watchman Remembers of Visit of Witness to Factory on Day of Crime.

Further corroboration of several of the important details in the remarkable affidavit of W.H. Mincey, insurance agent and teacher, who swore he heard Jim Conley confess killing a girl, came Tuesday in a statement by E.F. Holloway, day watchman at the National Pencil Factory.

Holloway substantiated in every particular the story of Mincey's visit to the factory the Tuesday following the crime and recalled the general trend of the conversation, which was practically as Mincey related it in his signed statement published exclusively in The Georgian Monday. The defense has obtained an affidavit from Holloway as to the circumstances of the day.

"I remember Mincey coming here Tuesday," said Holloway. "He was a quiet, retiring fellow, and I guess we scared him out. There were a lot of people in the factory, and the excitement after the murder was at its height. Several detectives were there and there were a score of people bothering the detectives and the factory authorities with their theories on the killing.

Wanted Negroes Arrested.

"This man Mincey came up to me and said he wanted to see Mr. Frank. I told him Mr. Frank was not there, but that I could take care of him. He asked me how many negroes worked in the factory, as I recall it, and I told him seven or eight.

"‘You'd better have everyone of them arrested,' he replied. ‘I know the one that did it.'

"‘But there weren't any negroes working in the factory Saturday except the night watchman,' I told him, and I said that I didn't see any negroes at all when I left at 11:45 on account of the holiday. I got a little sore at him because he kept pestering me about the negroes, and I guess he got mad because I wouldn't pay any attention to him.

"Finally, Herbert Schiff or somebody else turned to the crowd and told them they all would have to leave the building, as it wasn't possible to make any progress in the investigation with them scattered all over every floor and in the basement. This man Mincey went out with them, and that was the last I thought about his story until the day I found Jim Conley washing his shirt in the factory, something he never did before, so far as I know.

Told of Seeing Conley.

"After this Conley was arrested and I was pretty positive that he killed the girl, although I didn't have any means of knowing that he even was in the factory until he confessed it of his own accord after he denied it half a dozen times. Then I told some of the people connected with the factory about Mincey, and when I saw him next he told all about the reasons that he felt positive about Conley.

"He said that he had met Conley the afternoon that Mary Phagan was murdered and that Conley had boasted that he had killed a girl. Mincey said he met him somewhere over near where Conley lived. I don't know whether it was at Electric and Carter streets or not.

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00:00Holloway corroborates Mincy's affidavit. The Atlanta Georgian, Tuesday, July 15, 1913,
00:06recalls he was told story of Conley Watchman, remembers a visit of witness to factory on day
00:11of crime. Further corroboration of several of the important details in the remarkable affidavit of
00:16W. H. Mincy, insurance agent and teacher, who swore he heard Jim Conley confess killing a girl,
00:22came Tuesday in a statement by E. F. Holloway, day watchman at the National Pencil Factory.
00:28Holloway substantiated in every particular the story of Mincy's visit to the factory the Tuesday
00:32following the crime, and recalled the general trend of the conversation, which was practically as Mincy
00:38related it in his signed statement published exclusively in the Georgian Monday, the defense
00:43has obtained an affidavit from Holloway as to the circumstances of the day.
00:47I remember Mincy coming here Tuesday, said Holloway. He was a quiet, retiring fellow,
00:53and I guess we scared him out. There were a lot of people in the factory, and the excitement
00:57after the murder was at its height. Several detectives were there, and there were a score
01:01of people bothering the detectives and the factory authorities with their theories on
01:05the killing, wanted Negroes arrested. This man, Mincy, came up to me and said he wanted
01:10to see Mr. Frank. I told him Mr. Frank was not there, but that I could take care of him.
01:14He asked me how many Negroes worked in the factory, as I recall it, and I told him seven or
01:19eight.
01:20You'd better have every one of them arrested, he replied. I know the one that did it. But there
01:25weren't any Negroes working in the factory Saturday except the night watchman, I told him, and I said
01:30that I didn't see any Negroes at all when I left at 11.45 on account of the holiday. I
01:35got a little
01:35sore at him because he kept pestering me about the Negroes, and I guess he got mad because I wouldn't
01:40pay any attention to him. Finally, Herbert Schiff or somebody else turned to the crowd and told them
01:44they all would have to leave the building as it wasn't possible to make any progress in the
01:48investigation, with them scattered all over every floor and in the basement. This man, Mincy, went
01:54out with them, and that was the last I thought about his story, until the day I found Jim Conley
01:59washing his shirt in the factory, something he never did before so far as I know, told of seeing Conley.
02:06After this, Conley was arrested, and I was pretty positive that he killed the girl, although I didn't
02:10have any means of knowing that he even was in the factory until he confessed it of his own
02:14accord after he denied it half a dozen times. Then I told some of the people connected with
02:19the factory about Mincy, and when I saw him next, he told all about the reasons that he felt positive
02:24about Conley. He said that he had met Conley the afternoon that Mary Fagan was murdered and that
02:30Conley had boasted that he had killed a girl. Mincy said he met him somewhere over near where Conley
02:35lived. I don't know whether it was at Electric and Carter Streets or not. He said he didn't think much
02:40of it at the time, as he had supposed that Conley and his drunken stupor was merely bragging about
02:45his part in some Negro row. He told me that Conley had threatened him, saying,
02:49I killed a girl already today. I don't want to kill nobody else. After this, I guess they got his
02:54affidavit.
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