00:02Campaign group Arts Not Evidence, which includes lawyers and academics,
00:06is lobbying the government to change the law to create an assumption
00:10that creative expression is not admissible evidence.
00:14However, the Met's Detective Sergeant Matt Corbyn,
00:17who gives evidence in court as a police drill music expert,
00:22said it's really important that the force can continue to use this material
00:26and that there are people out there who unfortunately have committed horrendous and atrocious acts of violence
00:34and they want to be able to use that material to secure convictions.
00:39Art Not Evidence, said drill lyrics, are being used in cases to show what they described as gang aesthetics,
00:45which are quote-unquote taken at face value and misinterpreted by those with a lack of knowledge of the culture
00:52of the genre.
00:53It said the use of lyrics to gain convictions for young black people
00:58contributes to existing racial disparities in the criminal justice system
01:03and creates a chilling effect for freedom of expression.
01:07Detective Sergeant Corbyn said young people are driven to reveal true or criminal information in songs to gain status.
01:16Valentina Lottchi, whose 15-year-old son Leonardo Reid was killed in Islington by gang members,
01:21said it was right that drill lyrics had been used to bring the killers to justice.
01:26Yes, and couldn't solve this.
01:27Let me see.
01:28I knew you could try to make my ookland in a single original transition for a second.
01:29I know that the word race was killed in the last minute.
01:29Is that st нат nadie?
01:30You're someone who's used to have an valid fault.
01:30It's amazing and I know how the same reason didn't exist
