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00:00Anybody right now sitting around, driving around with a Keon Coleman take they want to rip off?
00:08So, here's why I ask. Not that we couldn't ever ask a question like that.
00:13I mean, it's one of our big topics with the Bills is Keon Coleman, right?
00:17I mean, I was going to say a lot rides on him, and that's another question I need to ask
00:22myself.
00:22Like, how much really rides on Keon Coleman?
00:25The Texans, who the Bills play in the opener, lost their presumed wide receiver two to a torn ACL, out
00:36for the year.
00:37And a couple things on that. The player is Jaden Higgins.
00:41They have Nico Collins, who's a star.
00:44He got hurt against the Bills, I guess that would have been two years ago, on a long touchdown pass.
00:50Then he was, like, gone for more than a month.
00:52But, you know, if he stays on the field, like anybody, he's close to elite.
00:57After that, Tank, Dell, everybody liked him, injured.
01:01Presumed not ready for week one.
01:03Now you've lost Higgins for the year already.
01:07And after that, you're really scrambling.
01:12Coleman, a friend of mine, tweeted to me and maybe others that the Bills should try to trade Keon Coleman
01:19to Houston.
01:20And I would never do that.
01:23I don't want to give him away on a team where I'm not still really sure what I've got at
01:29wide receiver.
01:30He's 23, and I'm playing them in week one.
01:35I'm not giving them anybody.
01:39People have made the connection with New England and Houston.
01:43The Houston GM was with New England.
01:45And, by the way, as I pointed out on Twitter, those teams do not play each other this year.
01:51If the Patriots want to trade Keishon Booty because they don't have a spot for him,
01:56then maybe the opener is still almost a month away where Houston could get someone in and acclimate him and
02:05get by.
02:06If not for the whole season, at least week one.
02:10I mean, Jaden Higgins hasn't really done anything in the NFL yet.
02:12It's not like they lost Collins.
02:14But, yeah, they could be, upon this news, they could be looking for somebody to bring in.
02:20I wouldn't accommodate them.
02:22I don't need a fifth-round pick or any pick.
02:26Well, they're not going to offer me a first, right?
02:28I don't need a draft pick right now.
02:31What I need is to win a championship.
02:33And I am still leaving the door cracked open for Coleman.
02:39I know he's in a walking boot.
02:41And I know everything, or at least what we all know about his experiences here the last couple of years.
02:48But I don't want to dump it.
02:51Do you?
02:52Do you think there's any value in that?
02:53Like, is there any – do you think you would be at a point – are you at a point
02:56where you would basically trade Keon Coleman for a draft pick for next year?
03:02I don't think I'd want to trade anybody for a draft pick for next year unless it's mind-blowing, unless
03:08it's somebody, you know, where I'm getting a one and I just can't say no.
03:13But even that – imagine such a trade.
03:17If the Bills were to send – it would have to be a starter for anybody that would get you
03:23a high draft pick, even round two, I would think.
03:27Are they so deep anywhere where they could afford that?
03:32I wouldn't – if I'm Brandon Bean, I wouldn't do it for any reason.
03:35I mean, I just – the optics of trading a player in this moment for a draft pick, to me,
03:41would just be a deal-breaker.
03:42Like, no, you're not going to catch me playing for futures with this roster.
03:47I've got to win.
03:49Now, one part of that is – and, you know, this is subjective, you might disagree with this – are
03:56they so deep anywhere where they could actually do something that would help the overall?
04:01And I just don't think so.
04:04I don't think they're unique in that.
04:05I don't think the Bills are that different or that special in the AFC for being, you know, fragile.
04:17Can I use that word?
04:18Can I use the F word?
04:20Shouldn't I know, after all these years, if I can use the F word?
04:24Are they fragile?
04:26So, if Josh Allen goes down, it's over.
04:30If Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, it's over.
04:34Like, that's maybe Trevor Lawrence.
04:36Who else?
04:37Maybe Drake May.
04:40Maybe Herbert.
04:42I don't want to say C.J. Stroud.
04:44I don't want to say Bo Nix, but I don't know.
04:46I think with a lot of teams, Dak Prescott, maybe Jalen Hurts, although I'm not as sure about Jalen Hurts.
04:54Who else?
04:55Stafford?
04:55Yes.
04:57Want to say Darnold?
04:58I don't know if I do.
04:59I don't need to run the whole league down.
05:00Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, maybe all those teams.
05:03Maybe it's almost half the league.
05:05Where the starting quarterback goes down, you can send the check.
05:11Now, thinking of that Houston point, maybe it's the time of year where any of those teams,
05:17if the worst case scenario were to happen, and let's just hope that we're not talking about this
05:23at any point, starting tomorrow, when you're going to walk into Cleveland and, you know,
05:27play a pretty serious, have a pretty serious practice with the Browns.
05:31Like, I just, maybe there's somebody that you would try to get to save your season.
05:37But really, like, after Allen, whose injury would really be a problem for these Bills?
05:45Is there anybody where you would say they're dead?
05:50I would never say that about Cook.
05:52No offense to Cook, because running backs get replaced all the time and sometimes do just as well,
05:58or even better.
06:00I would think I don't want to go there with Dawkins.
06:06I don't even really like having this conversation, well, with myself, because it's sort of, like,
06:12a little bit dark, you know, presuming injuries.
06:15But it also is the kind of thing that a GM would have to have answered to himself already.
06:21Like, what do we do?
06:23What's plan B if anybody goes out?
06:25I don't think there's another skill position player on the Bills where I think they'd really be dead.
06:32I mean, DJ Moore is interesting.
06:36What's happened, you know, I'm in the fantasy streets, right?
06:39And what's happened with DJ Moore on the heels of Saturday's game is every time I turn on a podcast
06:47or host one like last night, everybody seems just sort of more open to DJ Moore being good to, you
06:56know,
06:57well, stat-wise, for the Bills, what matters to those guys is, like,
07:01can I get 1,000 yards and eight touchdowns out of DJ Moore or 100 catches, things like that?
07:07Like, I think Saturday did something, which to me is a little bit weird
07:12because it was one half, if not one quarter, of a preseason game.
07:18How about you?
07:19803-0550.
07:20I would not have any interest in dumping Coleman.
07:24I mean, if he is, and I doubt this is true, but if he is some sort of a problem
07:30internally
07:31and they feel like, and this happens sometimes, they've got to get him out of here
07:34because you don't know what's going on, it's this bad, then, you know,
07:37that's not something I'm privy to, and I guess that does happen.
07:43But I want to keep going to see if I can get, what is it?
07:50I mean, I'm never going to get, probably, I mean, I shouldn't say never,
07:54I doubt I'm ever going to get that DJ Moore hypothetical season I just mentioned from Keon Coleman.
08:01But what I could get is touchdowns.
08:04And honestly, and I like this little stat, no player on the Bills over the last two seasons
08:11has caught more touchdown passes than Keon Coleman.
08:14Eight.
08:15So there's like a red zone value to him.
08:18And I think maybe as he gets older, I can stretch that out into something more.
08:25So I don't want to give him up for nothing.
08:29But I'm also not expecting the world, you know, just sort of, I can't be giving up,
08:35maybe this is just obvious, I can't be giving up players for future assets right now.
08:41And that puts Bean in a little bit of a spot.
08:44We talked to Mike Tenere earlier, and he's like, basically, I've never been a fan of,
08:48to an extent, of Bean's performance.
08:52He has not, I mean, this is what it is.
08:54He has not been in a situation where he can really rebuild, like, at all.
09:01It's not even rebuilding.
09:03They call it, what, retooling, or whatever word might be even behind that in really what you're doing.
09:09I mean, you're not trading your best players like you would see in hockey or something
09:14when your team is bad and you've got stars on big salary, like you just get everybody out of here.
09:19Football teams almost never do that.
09:22But he hasn't been, his bills have always been on the cusp.
09:27I mean, always.
09:29So he's never been in a position to trade for futures.
09:34I guess, you know, he did it with Diggs after he traded futures for Diggs in the first place.
09:39He got to a point, I'm talking about Coleman a little bit like this, hypothetically.
09:43He got to a point with Diggs, the bills did, I think Allen is probably driving this, like, I think
09:49he drives almost everything they do,
09:51where they just felt like it was untenable and let's take our chances.
09:56Everybody eats, you know, right?
09:58Let's just, we can't have this guy around anymore.
10:00But apart from, like, specific off-the-field personality conflicts, what Diggs is famous for,
10:09there really is no, there's been no opportunity, no impulse to rebuild or retool the bills,
10:15because obviously they've been at or near the top of the division the whole time.
10:20So I wouldn't, you know, that's just a certain facet of Bean's tenure or legacy with the bills,
10:26is, like, a lot of what maybe a GM can get fat on, so to speak, in this way,
10:32is if, like, they start with a rebuilding project.
10:36And, you know, he did come in before they got good, and that meant Watkins and, what, was that Darius
10:43even?
10:44Like, I guess that goes back that far.
10:46But really, like, ever since, Allen got pretty,
10:49and they just have never had any sort of inclination, rightly, to be like that.
10:55Lines open for your feedback on this.
10:57Let's talk to Lucas here.
10:58Hi, Lucas.
11:00Hey, good morning.
11:01Or not good morning, but how you doing?
11:03Hi.
11:04So I think what you're saying about Keon here,
11:07I'm just thinking about, like, in terms of his expectations, what I'd be happy with.
11:13And I think if DJ Moore can come in and be your team's certified number one primary wide receiving pass
11:20catching option,
11:21if you could slot Keon into, like, the third tier, if he's the tertiary option for the wide receivers,
11:28and he could produce on the level of, like, a Gabe Davis when we had Diggs and we had Isaiah
11:34McKenzie and Cole Beasley,
11:36if he could produce to what a Gabe Davis could produce in that role, I think I would personally be
11:43happy with that.
11:43I don't think you need him to be, like, a 1,000-yard-a-year guy, even though you took
11:49him in the second round.
11:50So that's just my take on it.
11:52No, I mean, you don't need to set the loftiest expectations for him to call it a win, I guess,
12:03for him to meet whatever 1,000 yards or whatever it might be.
12:06I don't think we're really there anymore, if we ever were there.
12:10What you want, though, is a useful asset, whatever that means on a stat line.
12:16And I would dare to suggest that Coleman hasn't been, you know, useless so far in two years.
12:27Last year he played in 13 games, he started six, he was benched, but he did give them four touchdown
12:33catches.
12:33The leader on the team had five.
12:36Dalton Kincaid had five.
12:37Nobody else had that many.
12:39Shakir, four.
12:40Knox, four.
12:41Coleman, four.
12:41Four is not 14, but it's about the best that anybody did in that statistic.
12:48And the year before is the same thing.
12:50What Bills player had five touchdown catches in 2024 to lead the team?
12:55Mack Hollins.
12:56Remember him?
12:57And then it's four from Coleman and four from Shakir.
13:00Like, there is a – is it a need, per se?
13:04There is a role or maybe a little bit of a void, you could say, that he can help fill.
13:13They don't have – they have not had the touchdown guy.
13:17I mean, Davis in his day, the first stint with Davis.
13:21Diggs, of course.
13:24But that's really what I would love for them, is if somehow – this goes through Joe Brady – if
13:30somehow they had, whether it's Coleman or someone else, like an easy button, as they say, in the red zone,
13:37where it isn't Allen running over people and it isn't James Cook.
13:41Or it could be a little swing pass or something to James Cook, but, you know, defenses tend to be
13:46prepared for that.
13:47Like, just – if there's a player, a contested catch player that wins in the end zone, not everybody's Devontae
13:55Adams.
13:56But Devontae Adams is, to me, the picture in the dictionary for this.
14:01Where no matter – I mean, he's going to be double teamed.
14:05He's Devontae Adams, but it doesn't matter.
14:08He's essentially the Rams goal lineback.
14:11And Stafford is good enough, and maybe Allen is this good, right?
14:14We want to think so, that you can get easy-ish touchdowns from a receiver, you know, like from what
14:22the Rams get with Adams.
14:25And not thinking that Coleman can be Adams, but something like that would be what I would – that would
14:34be my project as the Bills when it comes to Coleman,
14:36is to figure out how to get him – I mean, is it impossible?
14:41Separation?
14:42There's good size?
14:43Is it impossible to think that Keon could be like that kind of player?
14:48Maybe it is.
14:48It's lofty.
14:50I'm not shooting for 1,000 yards.
14:52In other words, I'm shooting for a decent producer that isn't just a dead asset on my roster.
15:03And I think the Bills – I mean, listen to this.
15:05I think the Bills at wide receiver have room for that.
15:09Don't you?
15:10I think they do.
15:11Now, it won't be in Cleveland, I guess, because he was on a walking – in a walking boot when?
15:17Yesterday.
15:17So I doubt we see him at all this week with whatever sprained toe slash foot means, but it doesn't
15:25sound like he's fine.
15:28Remember Ryan Paganetti, who came on with me a while ago?
15:31He was in the Eagles booth, the analytics guy who has – he's not working in the league this year,
15:38but he's building this really impressive portfolio on social media, and he's doing lots of interviews.
15:44It's a lot of fantasy, but it's also not talking about his experience and just, like, stuff that teams still
15:52get wrong.
15:54That's not where I'm going here, but I saw something from him today that I thought was interesting.
15:58So Sal and I talked yesterday about this joint practice versus the game with the Browns, and we like the
16:09joint practice because we can control the situations, and we don't have it have to be as violent necessarily, unlike
16:19a real game.
16:20So certain obvious ways that coaches work together and the joint practice kind of fits with what their needs are.
16:28He said, Ryan Paganetti said, he just put out that, like, if you put these practices on TV, how well
16:36would they do?
16:38Couldn't a – Eagles and Patriots today, A.J. Brown against his old team in a controlled, presumably, practice.
16:48If you put that on TV tonight, if you put that on TV tonight, live, how well would it do?
16:54Like, how well would it do?
16:55How well would it draw?
16:57Ryan basically suggested that it would beat maybe almost any playoff game in any other sport for ratings.
17:06Put an Eagles-Patriots joint practice up against the Stanley Cup playoffs, which gets more eyeballs.
17:13I mean, to me, that's A, believable, and B, very sad, depressing, because it really shouldn't be like that.
17:23Doesn't football have enough of a hold, a stranglehold on our sports culture that we can just maybe put a
17:33limit on how much more needs to be visible,
17:36how much more needs to be shown?
17:38Like, that's not against his point.
17:41I'm not saying that he shouldn't have said that.
17:42I'm just saying, like, I don't – if the Bills-Browns practice tomorrow were on TV, I'd feel an obligation
17:51to watch it.
17:53I'd feel some – like a professional one.
17:55I'd feel some, you know, interest in it.
17:59I have that already.
18:00So if it's available to watch it, I probably – some of me would want to do it.
18:05But I also just – I don't need more football, you know?
18:11Like, it's – I have taken the ride with this sport, and most of you maybe – I mean, a
18:17lot of you have done it earlier for longer than I have
18:21and just with less of a guilty conscience maybe, but I don't want joint preseason practices to outrate playoff games
18:33in the NHL or in baseball.
18:35It's just – it really – I'd rather it not do that.
18:39So do we get to a point where these are televised?
18:44I mean, when has football ever said no to money?
18:48And if they thought they could make money on it, and maybe they just haven't realized yet – I mean,
18:53more teams, I think, are doing it than before.
18:57This idea that it, in a way, replaces the preseason game for competitiveness or strategy or really what the teams
19:06need from each other,
19:07well, what does that tell you about the merits of the preseason game?
19:11Of all things that might seem incredible about sports in bygone eras,
19:19the fact that there were six preseason games in the NFL 50 years ago, that's color TV.
19:27I mean, that's not Red Grange.
19:29The fact that these teams played six preseason games before a 14-game regular season schedule,
19:35to me, like, a part of me wants to go back in time and just listen to or read a
19:43conversation about how that, like, happened
19:45and whether or not anybody thought to question it, like, six preseason games.
19:50And the starters played them all throughout.
19:52It wasn't about resting guys and keeping them away from injury.
19:57It was about getting in shape and getting ready for our season.
20:01So can you imagine six – I mean, I grew up with four.
20:05And it was a pretty long time ago when four seemed too many.
20:11Then we got to three, but only because we had to have the extra regular season game.
20:15And I'm pretty sure we're going to do that again, go to two preseason games
20:19and 18 regular season games and probably more of these joint practices.
20:25They're fine.
20:26I feel like the Browns – and Sal's going to join me in about 10 minutes from Cleveland –
20:30I feel like the Browns are a little bit of a beehive for the Bills to walk into.
20:36This is not a – if I could pick, this is not a team I'd want to hang out with
20:40right now and practice with.
20:43I don't know if I trust the Browns for this.
20:48I think I'd rather have this with a good team that doesn't have a new coach
20:54trying to instill all the new culture stuff and attitude and toughness
20:59and all those football things to a franchise that has been, I mean, desolation, Cleveland.
21:06That's a little bit unsettling to me.
21:10Who's to say – I mean, I guess this could happen anywhere.
21:14It could happen to a team playing against the Bills.
21:17You run into Caleb – you look at Caleb Elarm's or the wrong way.
21:21He might just pile drive you.
21:22But really, like, Cleveland seems ripe for a scene where – I mean, they're trying to win jobs.
21:30They're trying to win respect.
21:31If you're not expected to win, does a coach like you for that extra effort type stuff,
21:39even if he doesn't think you're that talented because you're what he's trying to impart.
21:46Again, it's a pretty broad brush because I'm not saying that that means you'll get hurt playing against that guy.
21:52But there's a little bit of that with me.
21:55I think there's already a natural feeling of this is going to be more intense.
22:02It's – everybody says that when you go practice against another team in these situations.
22:08Everybody says there's an intensity jump because, you know, you're not hitting your own guys
22:13and teams are very strict about what they want you to be able to do against your own teammate.
22:19You see these fights happen at training camp, and aren't they often because somebody thinks somebody else went too far?
22:27That's not what it's going to be when it's the Bills and the Browns.
22:29It's not about – unless it's from a coaching perspective, it's not going to be that you went too far.
22:34It's like, hey, that's my guy.
22:35And then it's just on.
22:37I think they're all going to try to avoid that in Cleveland.
22:41But, yeah, it's just a team that – I don't know.
22:44I just feel a little bit – not nervous, but a little anxious maybe.
22:49That you're walking into a place where guys are going to have not that much to lose and a lot
22:55to prove maybe.
22:57See what Sal thinks next.
22:58He and I talked about that for a minute.
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