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00:00finals well paul i just wanted to have a little bit of a temperature check moment on the sabers
00:05as we're now within a month of training camp and pre-season games even i mean it always is like
00:11this where it kind of it doesn't cool off first outside it just sort of hits you that hockey is
00:17here and when we spoke about them a month and a half ago i mean after free agency started july
00:241st
00:24okay well you never know exactly when to draw the curtain and like all right that's it and here we
00:31are now to august 19th and there has not been any movement there isn't connor hellebuck there isn't
00:36some other alex tuck replacement right not that we're necessarily expecting that but where is
00:42your mind at on sort of how likely it is that their current roster is going to be their roster
00:49probably and i mean prices need to come down and that doesn't mean that they won't uh but they
00:56need to come down and and you know yarmo kekalainen is not going to pay the prices that are out
01:01there
01:02right now a name that has been out there a little bit and then it seemed like columbus might have
01:08been willing to trade marchenko who is 26 years old um now he would be a guy that uh not
01:16this year but
01:16you would have to sign to a contract fairly soon but this is also a guy his last couple of
01:22years
01:2227 goals last year 31 goals the year before 67 points and 74 points and then i say to myself
01:31and i
01:32always say this why would columbus want to get rid of him and well if you can get the right
01:39trade you
01:40can maybe restock your team a little faster if you can get a couple of really really good prospects out
01:46of a team or or you know for for a talent like that and he was a hotter commodity it
01:52seemed like
01:53before the draft than maybe he is now i don't hear too much about him right now his teammate
01:59weren't warinski was the same same way you know it was like and then all of a sudden he comes
02:04out
02:04and says well i don't want to be traded you know i want to i want to i want to
02:07play in columbus
02:08right but what does that mean how many times have we heard that from players and uh you know it
02:15didn't so i just throw that name out there a little bit that that was a name that was being
02:19kicked
02:20around as somebody available in the nhl um he's 6'3 he's not alex tuck by any means uh his
02:28his his
02:28goals and point totals aren't too far away i don't think he does some of the other things that alex
02:33tuck does but i certainly think he would be a good addition to the sabers depending on what they
02:39would have to give up for him and then knowing that all right you're going to have to probably
02:43sign him to a contract soon too so you better be sure you can do that well i just want
02:48to ask again
02:48at what point if there is one where you don't ever slam the door i guess on these kind of
02:54moves you
02:55know but at what point like how how do the how does the calculus work for for the sabers or
03:01an nhl team
03:02where you're like all right well hella buck or some other player we would have done it for a
03:08certain price we kind of wanted to at a certain price but do you not get to a point where
03:13you're
03:14about to get to camp and then it becomes more disruptive or i feel like maybe you want to get
03:20into a
03:20season and see if you have a bigger problem than you wanted to have and then maybe something happens
03:26but it kind of feels to me my instinct is that a trade between maybe like next week and october
03:341st
03:34the opener is just kind of weird yeah and let's say that the problem with the hullabuck trade was
03:43the sabers were willing to give up the fourth overall pick but they won the eighth back
03:48and winnipeg wouldn't do it and buffalo said okay then we're not giving you all that stuff if we're not
03:54getting you know if we're not flipping spots in the first round you could still do that you could
04:00you could look okay because bjork is the guy that winnipeg took a lot of folks thought buffalo might
04:06take him at four because he was like one of those wild cards at forward from sweden that a lot
04:13of scouts
04:14liked so you know and then they wind up taking rudolph all right now both teams know who they have
04:20let's say winnipeg approaches you again and now you know well okay we they're willing to do it
04:28so now we get bjork who would as pretty much our first round pick this year they get rudolph for
04:34their first round pick this year is that some now that they know what the names are that are connected
04:40to it would buffalo be be more or i'm sorry would winnipeg be more open to it um who knows
04:46so you know
04:47but you have to kind of reconstruct the trade because the trade was well winnipeg's going to
04:53get four and eight well okay now there are names put to that all right we're not giving you four
04:59and
04:59eight but now that you know the names do you want to do it in buffalo's case you could say
05:04do you want
05:04to do it the right way well apart from any specifics though i still want to try to get this
05:09across like
05:10when whatever camp opens like three weeks away thereabouts i mean do you think that's a deadline
05:17for teams that all right well now lukanen say or any whether it's rudolph or someone else like
05:25now we're at a point where guys report and it we don't want them i i feel like this is
05:32right but i'm
05:32asking you like we don't want them looking over their shoulder about trades anymore right for a while
05:37like you show you show up for this season you're on this team we could almost be there now i
05:42don't
05:42think there is a deadline so to speak but there's a point and i think we've hit it where it
05:49is likely
05:49a big thing isn't going to happen you always know it could but uh you know it gets to a
05:56point where
05:56it's likely that it won't right now what else is different lukanen is another one that's different
06:03is winnipeg on his no trade which kicked in on july 1st you could have traded him at the at
06:08before
06:08the draft or at the draft he didn't have a he didn't have a no trade then you know a
06:13uh it's
06:15only a few teams but is winnipeg one of those few teams and then if he is if it is
06:20well that shoots
06:22the trade right there right you don't you can't even talk about it basically because you know that's
06:27who they would want and he would have to waive it to go to winnipeg so that possibly could have
06:32finished it right there if he is if winnipeg is on that list so you you're kind of saying here
06:38like
06:38we might be at that point already where right we're sort of like the poker game is over and
06:45winnipeg is interesting though paul because they they might have pressure to do the thing that the
06:52sabers don't that's always been true here that if and they did go get a goalie it's not like the
06:57all
06:57of a sudden if hellebuck's gone they don't have a goalie i mean if if they were to get lucan
07:02and then
07:03lucan and skinner are their goalies yeah um they could be worse than that i mean uh so uh
07:12you could say well why did they go get a goaltender then especially skinner because he he likes to play
07:19a lot hellebuck likes to play most of the games um how skinner going to react sitting around playing
07:2415 games or between 15 and 20 games are you with the bisons at all this week i am actually
07:31that's
07:31where i'm talking to you about you're there now finished up uh just as we were speaking the
07:36bisons had a great opportunity they loaded the bases on walks and then struck out three times in
07:41a row in the eighth inning down one run oh wow couldn't get a sacrifice fly or a bounce out
07:46or
07:47anything so it's rare you see that where a pitcher loads the bases with walks and the relief pitcher
07:53comes in and strikes out the side and you can't get that tying run across the plate so they did
07:57lose
07:57by a score of two to one that's not great we had a we had a 22 to nothing game
08:02last night in the majors
08:03i didn't see that milwaukee beat seattle 22 to nothing the first shutout that large in major league
08:11baseball since 1900 did any position players pitch i would hope i don't i don't know i just saw julio
08:19rodriguez not know how many outs there were and throw a fly ball that he caught over the wall
08:23i didn't realize i believe it was pat malik carl told me i don't remember the number you have to
08:28be
08:29up by or down by a certain amount of runs now to put a position player it is a 10
08:33maybe i don't know
08:34but but he's right you can't just do it anytime you want it's a newer rule it's a rule that
08:38yeah you
08:39just can't do it i want to say it's 10 but don't please don't quote me oh yeah no it's
08:43a it was a
08:44while ago that pat told me that it's a dave roberts and the dodgers rule because they they got in
08:48games you know this this isn't something we love about how sports has evolved but it sort of makes
08:54it aligns with data stuff where the dodgers have these big division leads and they'll get down i mean
09:01not that many runs and just basically throw the game because they don't really need it that badly
09:07they want they'd rather save their bullpen than win the game right and so that's when baseball put
09:11it might not have just been the dodgers but that's when baseball put the rule in like all right you
09:15can't do that anytime you want like in extra innings in tie games the dodgers were using position players
09:21to pitch because like all right well i just don't want to blow out my bullpen and like you know
09:26we
09:26don't want that that's when they put in the you know the runner on second as well in extra innings
09:31too
09:31i call it the ghost runner i don't i never know what to call it because there is somebody standing
09:37there when i call a game and i got our ghost runner is at second base so it's just my
09:43term for it it's
09:45it might be the most popular term for it but i can't do it because there's a guy there unlike
09:50when
09:50we're playing as kids and the ghost runner is not there's nobody there there's nobody there yeah so
09:55i don't know it's never really zombie runner like it's never i've never really found the right phrase
10:00for my taste so to answer your question today was my scouting gate day and on saturday i will be
10:05doing the game and pat duke will be on tv very good paul thanks for your time yeah take care
10:10paul
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