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Welcome to the first episode of Nose Dive! Join us as our host and intrepid Chief Nose Asia Grant sits down with pop icon JoJo (!!!) to travel back to Y2K… a time when fragrance and pop culture became truly inseparable. Our iconic girlies kiki and dive deep into mall culture, celebrity perfumes and the extremely early-aughts obsession with smelling like your idols. (Britney Spears Curious, anyone?!) The conversation also revisits eos Beach Waves and Toasted Marshmallow, two scents that capture the feeling of endless summer through nostalgia, memory, and fragrance.
Plus! Tea! JoJo opens up about her breakout Top 40 hit "Leave" (written before her first actual breakup – btw – this was pure teen angst), her iconic role in Aquamarine and what independence actually smells like for her: amber, golden hour and the freedom to say yes. It's soulful, it's funky, it's the recipe to womanhood.
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Plus! Tea! JoJo opens up about her breakout Top 40 hit "Leave" (written before her first actual breakup – btw – this was pure teen angst), her iconic role in Aquamarine and what independence actually smells like for her: amber, golden hour and the freedom to say yes. It's soulful, it's funky, it's the recipe to womanhood.
Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nose-dive/id6801284763
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00:00There was a lot of self-tanner.
00:01There was a lot of self-tanner.
00:03And it wasn't great.
00:04It smelled like a tanning bed, actually, more so, right?
00:07A little burning.
00:07A little bit of burn.
00:19Hello, I am Asia Grant, and welcome to Nosedive, a brand new podcast by Refinery29,
00:26where scent memory and pop culture combine into this delicious, yummy little thing that
00:32we get to put our noses into.
00:34I'll be your scent sommelier throughout this beautiful journey together.
00:37And the reason I'm specifically here is because I have this funny little thing called synesthesia.
00:44My mom loves to say this would be kind of like my X-Man mutation.
00:48But what it means is that my senses are blended.
00:51I hear in color.
00:52I taste in color.
00:54I smell in color.
00:55Every single thing has a color palette.
00:57That's how I develop fragrances.
00:59That's how I match people to fragrances, which is my full-time job.
01:03And everything I experience has a scent.
01:06So I am hyped to take you on this first Nosedive together, where we will follow our noses to
01:12the moments, the people, and the cultural obsessions that define us.
01:17Hopefully, we'll laugh.
01:18We might even cry.
01:19You know, I'm a Cancer Moon.
01:21I get weepy.
01:21I get emotional.
01:22And we'll make fragrance our whole personality together.
01:25And this season of Nosedive is produced in partnership with Eos.
01:29And it is high summer.
01:32I typically have a love-hate relationship with summer because sometimes it's way too hot.
01:36But I definitely romanticize it in my brain.
01:38And part of my romanticization process is making sure that I smell like my favorite version
01:44of summer, which is ideally baking in the sun and coming out from the ocean and just being
01:50a cute girl in one of her 20 bikinis.
01:53But to seal in that joyful time of being at the beach, I use an amazing combination from
01:59Eos.
01:59I use their Beach Wave Lotion and Body Mist with their Toasted Marshmallow Lotion and Body
02:06Mist.
02:06Yes, I am using two body lotions and two body mists.
02:10The reason that I am doing this is because I want to still revel in the day of my beach
02:16time.
02:17Please go find their products.
02:18I'm telling you, this combination of Beach Waves and Toasted Marshmallows gives you that
02:22same kind of euphoric feeling of being at the beach all summer, all day, but without
02:28having to, you know, pay for the ferry, get dirty in the sand, which honestly is nice
02:33here and there.
02:33But sometimes I just want the feeling, the nostalgia of it.
02:36So try these, the body lotion, the body mist.
02:39You will not be disappointed and you will feel like it is summer all year long.
02:43So everyone listening, I'm going to tell you a little story.
02:47So I want you to close your eyes and let me set the scene for you.
02:52The year was 2004.
02:56It was peak mall culture.
02:59Begging your mom, please drop me off at the mall so I can go see my friends.
03:03Like somehow it was just perfect for us.
03:05And it felt like you were kind of part of something.
03:08Like you felt like you were really in a place where history was being made.
03:12Every single stop on the loop of the mall, it had its own smell.
03:17And you could just exist in it, soak it in.
03:20Those things can literally still snap me back into my 13-year-old self begging my mom for
03:27$20 to just get a little snack and a juice and a pretzel.
03:30Life was slower, simpler, if I dare say.
03:35And your senses, I feel like were just deeper at that time because the early 2000s didn't
03:41just happen culturally.
03:42They were happening chemically.
03:44They were happening deep, deep, deep, deep within our brains.
03:47And in the early 2000s, we were just having fun.
03:51We were just having fun.
03:52Well, luckily for us, it's all coming back.
03:54Thank God.
03:54The low-rise jeans, the Von Dutch, the body mess, and even some pop culture icons hinting
04:02at our guest today.
04:05Yeah.
04:07And the scents are also following.
04:09So we are so back.
04:10And I have to tell you, this era is very, very personal for me because Y2K is my come-up
04:18years.
04:19I am still feeding into and learning about my inner child, which thrived on the neopets
04:26of it all.
04:27And fragrance was a really important way for me to express myself as I bloomed into the
04:32woman that I am today.
04:33And our guest was there.
04:35She wasn't with me, but she was there at the same time.
04:38Honestly, I was singing her songs on the way to school.
04:40And so was my family.
04:41She's still on our dance playlists.
04:44She is.
04:45Listen, I got to get ready in the morning and you are there.
04:47And it was a time to be had.
04:49And we're so excited to have her here to kick off the whole thing with us.
04:55So with me today is the icon.
04:58Girl, I'm not going to tell you to leave.
05:00Get out.
05:01I wouldn't do it.
05:02I want you to be here with me forever.
05:04My dear Jojo.
05:05Girl.
05:06Isn't that so silly?
05:07I'm a silly woman.
05:08I'm a silly old woman.
05:09Oh my gosh.
05:09I'm obsessed with you.
05:11I've just been listening to this and you've been taking me back.
05:14You said neopets.
05:15I said, close your eyes.
05:16And I did.
05:17And I really went on that journey and it was so exciting.
05:20I was like, oh my gosh.
05:20I'm so good.
05:21Let me love on you a little bit.
05:22Let me love on you.
05:23In 2004, where I was, I was, I was my biggest fan.
05:27And you made me my own biggest fan because I was like, oh my gosh, I have a voice.
05:31I can say these things.
05:31I can say, leave, get out.
05:33Listen.
05:34Empowerment.
05:35Empowerment.
05:36Smash hit.
05:36Like I tell you, that's still on my family.
05:38It's like my, my aunt, my mom, my cousin.
05:41Where's, we're screaming that.
05:42Honored.
05:43You, you, you became the youngest solo artist to ever top the Billboard Pop Charts at 13.
05:4913.
05:50I feel like in all of our heads, we were a pop star at 13, but you were actually, you
05:55did
05:55it.
05:55So I'm like, let me be quiet in the presence of you because you actually did it.
06:00You were on every TRL countdown, every radio station, every teen magazine across the country.
06:07What a time.
06:08You were in my ears.
06:09You were in my ears.
06:11That was probably where you were most.
06:12I don't know, I don't know, but that's where you were most to me.
06:15Did you, did you ever have one of those things, those hit clips?
06:17The hit clips, baby.
06:18Okay.
06:18I had the toothbrush that sang in my head with you.
06:21I would think that's even like new technology that's coming back around, whatever, like
06:24the bone technology with music.
06:26People want the physical thing anyway.
06:27And I was, we were locked in.
06:29Locked in.
06:30We were really locked in.
06:31And you could have fooled me.
06:32I was like, that's a grown woman.
06:33That's a grown woman for sure.
06:34You were, and we felt it.
06:36And you also made me feel like a grown woman.
06:38And you weren't just watching Y2K happen.
06:41You create, you are like the soundtrack of Y2K.
06:45Girl, I'm a words of affirmation.
06:46You're going to feel that shower.
06:47I'm going to shower all over you.
06:48That's my love language.
06:48Keep it, keep it coming.
06:49I'm coming.
06:50And yeah, you just wrote the breakup songs for a generation that, you know, I didn't,
06:55I didn't even have a breakup yet.
06:56Me neither.
06:57I hadn't had a breakup yet.
06:58And you were, I was inspired.
07:00I was like, I need to break up with someone right now.
07:02I don't know who I'm breaking up with.
07:03Is it my parents?
07:04They're like, you're not going to tell us to leave, get out.
07:06This is our house.
07:07Oh my gosh.
07:07I was like, what does angst smell like?
07:09Exactly.
07:11Exactly.
07:11You are a legend.
07:13You are a forever pop star princess.
07:15Of course.
07:16You are a legend too.
07:17And you're also the queen of comebacks.
07:19So Jojo, my sweet thing.
07:21Welcome.
07:22Thank you so much.
07:22I'm so excited for you to be here.
07:23Me too.
07:24I mean, I just feel like we have so much ground to cover.
07:27We have a lot in common.
07:29I'm really, really into smells and scents and sensuality.
07:35So I'm just really enjoying just hearing you talk about all this stuff.
07:38I, listen, it was not shown on camera.
07:41I wish someone was able to get this on camera.
07:43But when we met each other just a few tender moments ago, we locked in immediately.
07:48How did it go?
07:50It was kind of, it was kind of like.
07:51It was kind of like.
07:53It was almost a kiss.
07:54It was almost a kiss.
07:55It was almost like, what is that?
07:57Every kiss begins with K?
07:57It was a deep sniff.
07:58It was a deep sniff.
07:59Listen, I remember K Jewelers at the mall.
08:02Every kiss begins with K.
08:04I was wondering if we were going to get her to sing today.
08:07So that is, that is my little Easter egg hunt.
08:10Amazing.
08:11Of course, we're going to talk about all of that.
08:13We're going to talk about fragrance.
08:14We're going to ease into it.
08:16We're going to ease into it.
08:16We're going to play a little game.
08:17I love a game.
08:18Me too.
08:18I love a little game.
08:19So we're going to play a game called Sniff or Skip.
08:23All right.
08:23Anyway, I'm going to say some things to you and sniff clearly.
08:26If you like, you want to get a big old, a big old whiff.
08:29If not, we can skip it.
08:31Skip it.
08:31All righty.
08:32You ready?
08:33Yes.
08:34Axe body spray.
08:35Skip.
08:37No.
08:38Yes.
08:39What do you mean?
08:40Why?
08:41What do you mean?
08:43You say no.
08:44No now or no back then?
08:46Are we talking about, okay, as a teenager when, actually it was hot, right?
08:51It was.
08:52It was hot.
08:52It was sexy.
08:54Feral.
08:55I didn't know what sexy was, but I felt it.
08:57I felt it in my loins.
08:59You're 100% right.
09:00I mean, me, you know, having crushes on boys and being like, yeah, he smells like that axe
09:08body spray.
09:09It felt expensive to me too because like, as long as he didn't smell like musty.
09:14Yeah.
09:14Even if the must was covered with the axe.
09:17Exactly.
09:17It was cool then, but is it acceptable now?
09:19Absolutely not.
09:20Absolutely not.
09:20But we're being nostalgic, baby.
09:22Okay.
09:22We're being nostalgic.
09:23I'm understanding now.
09:24Okay.
09:25So back then.
09:26Great.
09:27Sniff it.
09:27A boy wore axe and you could tell what color the axe was because there's like the green
09:31one, the red and blue one, there's the chocolate one.
09:33Okay.
09:34I said the chocolate one.
09:35I was like, that's a man of taste.
09:36Ooh.
09:36That's my man.
09:37Refined.
09:37And I know that I can copy his history homework and I'm gonna get an A.
09:41Because he knows.
09:42Because he knows.
09:43He knows better.
09:43Okay.
09:44So now, absolutely a skip.
09:46Okay.
09:47But back then.
09:47Okay.
09:48Sniff.
09:48Sniff.
09:49Sniff it up.
09:50Sure.
09:50Don't let me.
09:51If you feel you're like, I hated axe back then.
09:53No, I really did like it back then.
09:55I remember I had a crush.
09:56I lived in New Jersey for a little period of time while I was making my first album.
10:01Taking the ferry into, which as a whole scent remembrance of it or something, into the city
10:06to make my first album.
10:07And the boys at the Leonia Middle School would all be wearing the different axe body sprays.
10:12So that was a.
10:13Were they cute boys?
10:15They were cute boys.
10:16Yeah.
10:16Of all different, all different flavors, all different looks.
10:20And I was like, I liked it.
10:22Okay.
10:22Yum.
10:22All right.
10:23Yeah.
10:23Now, if I smelled a man wearing that, I'd be like, ooh, baby, we gotta unpack some stuff
10:27in therapy.
10:28The smell of a brand new CD case.
10:32Intoxicating.
10:33Okay.
10:33Sniff.
10:34Explain it to me.
10:35The smell of a brand new CD case.
10:37I mean, well, it's the smell of possible obsession.
10:43You know, what could be in the contents of that case.
10:46It could be the soundtrack to your life.
10:48Yes.
10:48Which is really exciting.
10:49Yes.
10:50And I know we're all very conscious of microplastics and all that stuff, and plastic's not good,
10:55but like.
10:56Remember a time when plastics weren't bad?
10:58Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:59Those times are, I don't know.
11:00Gone.
11:01So, I just, the, yeah, the opening of it is so, so exciting.
11:06And I loved also to peel and look through the, yes, the album liner notes.
11:11I wanted to see who were the producers on it, the writers, who mixed it, where, what
11:17studio was it at, at Electric Lady?
11:18Wow, that's right down the street.
11:19Was it at Sony where I'm, you know, I was, I did a lot of my first album at Sony
11:23Studio
11:23here in New York.
11:24Um, and so I loved to see all that stuff in, in the beautiful artwork that they'd include
11:30too.
11:31The beautiful artwork.
11:31Who's doing the makeup?
11:32You know, I wanted to see all these things.
11:34You were a very attuned child, young adult.
11:38I was interested in, in all these things.
11:40You were interested because I just opened that bad boy up and I was like, mm, the cover
11:43art is really nice.
11:44And then it also smelled kind of like, um, like magazine.
11:47Yeah.
11:48Which I was like.
11:49Did smell like magazine.
11:49A little bit just like, wow, I feel intellectual, but I wasn't reading anything.
11:53I was just like cute and pretty.
11:54No, I love to see also the, the thank yous.
11:57And I, it made me, allowed me to dream about what my album thank yous would be like one
12:01day.
12:01Cause I always knew that, you know, that was going to be a part of my destiny was to, to
12:06make music.
12:06And I just love to see, um, the, the gratitude and people would always be like, first and
12:11foremost, I want to thank God.
12:12And I'm like, yes, it was just so sweet.
12:14The emotional side.
12:15Yeah.
12:16Beautiful.
12:16I think that is so.
12:18I'm touched.
12:19I'm not going to get weepy.
12:19I promise.
12:20I'm not going to get weepy.
12:21Last one.
12:22This is a moment in time.
12:24I want to know if you would sniff this moment in time.
12:26Bottling the memory of the moment that Nicole Kidman stepped down the street after finalizing
12:33her divorce from Tom Cruise.
12:36Would love to sniff that moment.
12:38Would love to.
12:38Big with.
12:39Freedom.
12:40Big with.
12:41Relief.
12:41Womanhood.
12:42Womanhood.
12:43Independence.
12:44Empowerment.
12:45All of it.
12:45All of it.
12:46Probably a big check.
12:47Mm-hmm.
12:48Okay.
12:48Yeah, probably.
12:49I don't know.
12:50I don't know.
12:50You know, getting away from that weird-ish.
12:54Like, great.
12:55Yeah.
12:55And then, I mean, she's one of my favorite actresses.
12:57I would love to get up and close.
12:59Like, the way we sniffed each other.
13:00Yes.
13:01I would love to sniff Nicole Kidman.
13:02Oh, my God.
13:03Yeah.
13:03What do you think she smells like?
13:04Oh.
13:05Well, so, she originated the role of Satine in Moulin Rouge, and I got to play Satine on
13:10Broadway.
13:11Yes.
13:11So, I don't know.
13:12I mean, she's played so many different characters, and she's giving such elegant, you know, cool,
13:19refined lady.
13:20I think she smells a little frisky, though.
13:23A little spicy.
13:24A little spicy, maybe.
13:26Yeah.
13:26I don't have the vocabulary to explain.
13:28Like, I'm not a scent song.
13:29You are.
13:30I don't know what, you know.
13:31What do you think?
13:32I feel like she would smell like, you know what?
13:37I really think that she would, like, pull off a men's cologne so crazy.
13:41You know what I mean?
13:42I like it.
13:43Like, a Versace Arrows or, like, a YSL Myself.
13:46Like, she would be, like, you'd be, like, what is that?
13:49Yeah, and it would make you question a lot of things.
13:51Exactly.
13:52Or she'd be, like, yeah, I'm, like, a OOD.
13:54Like, it's, like, a OOD, like, weird kind of thing.
13:57Like, she would smell, I feel like, because she is so ethereal and, like.
14:02It would juxtapose the ethereality.
14:04Like, she, I feel like she radiates moonlight.
14:07And it's just, like, looking at a full moon.
14:09And when you look at the full moon and you can be, like, this is.
14:13Bewitched.
14:14Bewitching.
14:15Bewitching.
14:15So, like, a little bubbling cauldron.
14:17Some interesting leather.
14:18Some salty notes.
14:20Like, that is what I feel like she would smell like.
14:22Hell yeah.
14:23Incredible.
14:24Yay.
14:24Okay, perfect.
14:25A perfect little warm-up.
14:26So, I got a sense of you.
14:28We are going to dive right in.
14:31Okay?
14:32Are you ready to go back to Y2K?
14:34Yeah, let's go back.
14:35It's top of mind.
14:36Amazing.
14:36I think, yeah, it is very top of mind.
14:39Well, to set the tone, I want to know what your relationship with fragrance is.
14:42Like, I know that you love, you were telling me before, you like something sensual.
14:45You like something interesting.
14:46Like, I want to know, tell the people, what are you into?
14:48Oh, my gosh.
14:49Okay.
14:49So, when I was on Raya, that dating app, Raya, which was, you know, a couple years ago before
14:56I became, before I found my man.
14:59Before you became a kept woman.
15:00A kept woman.
15:00Right.
15:02One, it said, like, I had just a list of a few interests, like, on this app, you get
15:05to say, and fragrance was one of my interests.
15:07Okay.
15:08Like, that's how much I really love and appreciate fragrance.
15:10You needed the men to know.
15:11I was like, you better smell nice.
15:13Yes.
15:14So, I really have a nice relationship with fragrance.
15:19I love layers.
15:19I love gifting fragrances.
15:21I just bought my best friend something for her birthday.
15:24We took a trip, and I was like, what do I get her?
15:26And I was like, ooh, I'd like to gift her a new signature scent.
15:30Yeah.
15:31She always has, like, a cool collection of things.
15:33I remember my mom, when she got her first signature scent, and that was the Dior.
15:40J'adore Dior.
15:41J'adore Dior.
15:42I remember when it was, I can't think of her name.
15:46Charlize Theron.
15:47Charlize Theron.
15:48Yes, exactly.
15:49And, like, I was so interested in the celebrity fragrance world and things like that.
15:56And I just, I love it.
15:58My dad wore Obsession.
16:01Oh, beautiful.
16:01And so.
16:02Calvin Klein.
16:02I think Calvin Klein.
16:03Right?
16:03Yeah, I think so.
16:04And so that held a lot of memories for me.
16:08And, you know, he's passed.
16:09And now, sometimes, every once in a while, it's such a gift when I get to smell it.
16:15And it brings me, it's such a nostalgic, wonderful feeling.
16:18So I'm really into it.
16:19I'm into the placement of it and trying to get it to last a long time.
16:23And I love, for example, that, like, Rihanna has the Fenty, her Fenty perfume.
16:28That she has her Fenty perfume, but she's known for smelling great.
16:31I'm like, when people tell me I smell great, that makes my day.
16:35I'm glad.
16:35So.
16:36Because you do smell good.
16:37Oh, well, thank you.
16:37That was the first thing I said.
16:38I said, oh, you came prepared.
16:40You came in the zone.
16:41It's nice because it does, it can haunt you.
16:44And I, for a while, like, in my 20s, I was like, I want to haunt these men.
16:47If they, you know, I want to smell memorable.
16:50I want to smell different.
16:51I just think it's a really nice way to make an impression.
16:53Yes, I completely agree.
16:54How many perfumes do you have, do you think?
16:56I have a pretty concise selection, I would say.
17:00Like, I would say I maybe have eight.
17:05Eight?
17:05I maybe have eight.
17:06Okay.
17:07And then I have a lot of testers.
17:08Okay, you have a lot of testers.
17:09That I like to mess with, that I'll go to a perfumery or I'll go to a store or whatever
17:14and I'll say, do you happen to have a tester of that?
17:17Yeah, a little sample.
17:19Yeah, I love to just keep it in my purse.
17:21Yes.
17:22I saw you have a whole little thing.
17:23I do have a whole little thing.
17:25I am, as the good people of perfume, called run through.
17:28I need, you know, run through.
17:29I am run through.
17:30You're run through?
17:31I've smelled many things.
17:32I'm a marathon runner of perfume.
17:34I can do an ultra marathon of sniffing.
17:36Okay.
17:36So I feel that.
17:38But I'm surprised that you only have eight.
17:39I like to switch it up.
17:40So I like lotions.
17:42I like body mists.
17:43I like all different things that can contribute to a signature scent.
17:47So it doesn't need to just be one.
17:48So yeah, it is kind of surprising that I just have maybe eight to ten.
17:51Okay.
17:52That feels very...
17:53I'm intentional.
17:54You are very intentional.
17:55I'm intentional with it.
17:56That is not chaotic at all.
17:58Like that, like you're not impulsive.
18:00You're like very discerning.
18:01I actually will go sniff something a few times and see if it's right for me.
18:05I love that.
18:05I love that.
18:06I normally say on my perfume tour when people smell something and if they love it immediately,
18:11I'm like, hey baby, would you marry someone after the first date?
18:15No.
18:16I'm like, don't do it with your perfume.
18:18You don't know.
18:18That could be gaslighting you right now.
18:19That is really responsible advice.
18:21You know?
18:22Because 20 minutes later, it's not the same.
18:24An hour later, it's not the same.
18:25Two hours later, it might be gone.
18:27So you need to know if you love her after two hours.
18:30Seriously.
18:30And two weeks.
18:31Seriously.
18:32Listen, before I commit to a glass of wine, I ask for a little sample just so I can swirl
18:38it around, say, yeah, may I just try that before?
18:42No shame in my game.
18:43No shame in the game.
18:45So I know we've been talking a lot about your music.
18:47Yeah.
18:48But you're also an actress, like you said.
18:49And you cooked in a generation-defining film, Aquamarine.
18:54Okay?
18:55Starfish for Earrings.
18:56Generation-defining?
18:57Generation-defining Aquamarine.
18:59Wow.
18:59Like that is...
19:00What a moment.
19:01That was it.
19:02Did you wear a fragrance on set?
19:04I'm sure I did because I have been a fragrance girly for a very long time.
19:08Okay.
19:08But you just get the natural, like, we were in the water a lot.
19:12Okay.
19:13We were in the sun.
19:14It was lots of SPF.
19:15Yeah.
19:15Lots of coconuts.
19:17Yeah.
19:17I remember trying passion fruit for the first time because...
19:20How is that?
19:20It was so good because we were filming in Australia.
19:22Mm-hmm.
19:23Oh, cool.
19:23I didn't know that.
19:24And so I had never seen or tried a passion fruit, but then I ate like 12 passion fruit
19:27a day.
19:28Okay.
19:28So then...
19:29You like sour?
19:29Yeah.
19:30Okay.
19:30But it was like a nice, sweet, sour combo.
19:34So that was a new...
19:35I was probably emanating the scent of passion fruit from my pores at that point.
19:40Yeah.
19:40That was a really incredible moment and experience to share with Sarah Paxton and Emma Roberts.
19:47And we really bonded during that.
19:49And it was just cool to be with girls that were around my age and we were all still going
19:55to school.
19:56I mean, we were like learning on set.
19:58We were doing our schoolwork on set and then filming.
20:00And just to be...
20:03And the older girls, too, were so cool with their crimped hair.
20:07And the blue.
20:09The crimped hair.
20:09And there was a lot of crimpers going down.
20:11I love all of the crimpers.
20:13And I feel like even when you're watching that movie, like even just the cover of like
20:18the jacket where it's like the mermaid and you all are just like, yeah.
20:22It's so crazy that I haven't watched that movie since the premiere.
20:26I have not seen it.
20:28But it's time to revisit.
20:30I know I should see it.
20:32But I also just feel like so cringy watching myself.
20:36Really?
20:36Yeah.
20:36You feel cringy watching yourself?
20:37I do.
20:38And it's been so long that I'm sure I can like be detached.
20:40I can be like, oh, that's a little pumpkin.
20:42She's just a little...
20:43Yeah.
20:43So I'm sure that's fine.
20:44But yeah, sometimes I'm just like, oh, gosh, I would have done that differently or whatever.
20:48The artist's dilemma.
20:50I feel that.
20:50But that's what we work on in therapy.
20:52Just letting it go.
20:52We do work that, yes, to heal our inner child.
20:55We have to just give her a little hug and we just have to tell her we love her.
20:59And she was doing great.
21:01She was doing incredible.
21:02But that was such a moment.
21:04And like all of us girls were inspiring each other and sharing beauty things and sharing lotions and sunscreens.
21:13Right.
21:13And, you know, and looking out for each other.
21:15It was nice.
21:16It was very much kind of that beach, beach smell.
21:19Like you lived what the smell of like aquamarine kind of like is.
21:23You know what I mean?
21:24We lived so close to the beach and we were there all the time.
21:27And I, I'm really charged up by the sun as we all are.
21:32But I'm a vitamin D fiend.
21:33Vitamin D fiend?
21:34Yeah.
21:35Yes.
21:35Luckily, I'm so happy because EOS just dropped two new scents.
21:39They just dropped two new scents.
21:41And those are quite literally my portal to that time.
21:45To my own version of aquamarine.
21:47And that is toasted marshmallow and beach waves.
21:50We have to get in there.
21:51Can I smell them?
21:52We should get in there.
21:53I think I can pass these to you.
21:54There's beach waves.
21:55We can spray them in the air.
21:57Because we need to be hydrated.
21:58Because, you know, after being in the sun all day, you're crisp.
22:01You did bake and you're kind of like the chocolate chip cookies with the brown, with the brown edge.
22:05It's a little bit too crispy.
22:06So I'm like, I need to hydrate a little bit too.
22:09But yes, I'm like, oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes.
22:13Yes, ma'am.
22:13As I kiss you a little bit.
22:15Sorry, sorry.
22:17But yes, that one is so.
22:19Wait, I really like that.
22:19Isn't that cute?
22:20Isn't that cute?
22:21And I'm like, on me, the toasted marshmallow, like you said, I just want to be a little treat.
22:27Yum.
22:28You know, yummy.
22:30And that smells like toasted in the right ways.
22:33Like, not baked by the sun, exhausted, but like toasted, sweet little thing.
22:37And there's also a difference too.
22:38It's like toasted marshmallow, like in a s'more context is different also than a toasted marshmallow.
22:45That's like sweet and more sticky and like sticky.
22:49I don't know.
22:50I think that's real cute.
22:51I think that's cute.
22:52I want to layer.
22:52Actually, I'm going to do a little.
22:53You like that?
22:54I'm going to just do them both.
22:55Because I'm like, let me see what that little combo, what that combo is giving.
22:59You know what I mean?
23:01Get in there.
23:02You know what?
23:03That's special.
23:04That's like sunset.
23:05That's sunset.
23:06I absolutely enjoy that.
23:07Cute.
23:08Your skin is like glistening.
23:11You're like a different shade of brown.
23:12You're like, am I sunburned?
23:13It don't matter because it looks cute.
23:14It looks cute after the day.
23:16And you're kind of like glowing with the sun after the sun has gone down and it's humid
23:20and your hair is all wavy and frizzy.
23:21You know what I mean?
23:22That's what I call a tasty treat right there.
23:23I love that.
23:24Baby girl's a tasty treat.
23:26So yes, that's what I'll be doing.
23:27This is my endless little summer aura.
23:30Throw it in the bag.
23:30You know what I mean?
23:31And you can get it at evolutionofsmooth.com as well as a retailer near you.
23:36Is that what it stands for?
23:37Evolution of Smooth?
23:38Yes.
23:39That is so cute.
23:40And I'm always evolving, baby.
23:41So I want to know, without naming any specific perfumes or fragrances.
23:45Okay.
23:45I know I already talked about the J-Lo's and the fantasies and whatnot.
23:48But I want to know what the 2000s, the 2000s.
23:51I don't want to go into 2010.
23:52I want early 2000s.
23:542000 to 2009.
23:58What does that smell like?
23:59You can give me five notes and they could be fantasy notes.
24:01It could be whatever.
24:02I don't know that I'm good at naming notes.
24:05Like, ooh, this smelled like coconut or whatever.
24:09It smells like the Teen Choice Awards to me.
24:13Like hibiscus, like behind the ear.
24:15Like Zara Larson is channeling it so beautifully.
24:19You know what I mean?
24:20But it reminds me of the Teen Choice Awards,
24:22which smelled like a little like maybe Hawaiian, like sunscreen.
24:27Yes.
24:27Like a coconut sunscreen maybe.
24:29Yes, yes, yes.
24:29There was a lot of self-tanner.
24:30There was a lot of self-tanner.
24:32And it wasn't great.
24:33The formula wasn't good yet.
24:34It smelled like a tanning bed actually more so, right?
24:37A little burning.
24:38A little bit of burn.
24:39You know, what they smelled like to me was like,
24:40I remember Vanessa Lachey.
24:43I forget what her name was before she married Nick Lachey.
24:47Okay.
24:48She was one of the hosts of TRL.
24:49Okay.
24:49And I just remember being like,
24:50that's the most beautiful girl I've ever seen in my life.
24:53And when she would interview me, I'm just like,
24:54oh my gosh, she's so pretty.
24:56And she smelled so good.
24:58Sweet.
24:58I think sweetness was pretty popular.
25:02Yeah, very juicy.
25:03Very fruity.
25:03Very juicy.
25:04Yeah.
25:04Yeah.
25:05And there was a softness when you said juicy,
25:07like, you know, velour was a big thing.
25:09So it also smells like velour from Juicy Couture?
25:12Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:13Totally.
25:13Okay.
25:14I wonder what we would name this perfume.
25:16Like there's like-
25:17Ooh, of the 2000s.
25:18Of the 2000s.
25:20I mean, I love the idea because the 2000s were such a time
25:25also for really iconic fashion looks.
25:29So the low rise, you know, low rise denim is a cool name,
25:33I think, for a-
25:33Low rise denim.
25:34Low rise jeans.
25:36Cute name for-
25:37Even just low rise.
25:38Low rise.
25:39Low rise.
25:40Mm.
25:40That could definitely be a fragrance profile.
25:44Yeah.
25:45Is there something that I'm missing?
25:47I mean, for me, like that time also smelled like,
25:51like you mentioned the mall.
25:54That was such a time.
25:55I was doing a mall tour.
25:56One of my first tours was-
25:57What is that?
25:58Oh, a mall tour.
25:59That was a nostalgic, iconic moment in time
26:01where like a radio station, local radio stations
26:04would partner with the big malls.
26:07And for the people that are listening to this
26:09that were born after the year 2000,
26:11the radio is where we used to discover music.
26:15It's essentially the predecessor to Apple Music or Spotify.
26:19Like we would go in the car and we would turn on the music
26:22and someone would be curating what the hits are at the time.
26:26And that's essentially how we did music discovery.
26:28Weird.
26:29I know.
26:29But it was like, and it was unifying kind of
26:32because we were listening to the radio
26:35and we'd all be like,
26:36oh, did you hear that on the countdown or whatever?
26:38Similar to TRL.
26:39So it was just a little bit like less niche.
26:41Right.
26:41Where I love how many niches there are now and everything.
26:44But it was just like, we all knew the hottest songs.
26:47For me, being a New England girl, being from Massachusetts,
26:51the 2000s also reminded me of like friendlies
26:54and like, you know, like a waffle cone being made.
26:56Like ice cream.
26:58Yes.
26:58And like that was my little treat.
27:00But yeah, I love the idea of like smelling like a cookie.
27:04I think I was wearing cookie stuff,
27:07but maybe when I was on TRL, I smelled like a cookie.
27:09I don't quite remember, but.
27:11I wish someone was able to like go back in time
27:13and be like, yes, and what did you smell like?
27:15Like I'm sure they said you would smell great.
27:16I feel like it also kind of smelled like
27:18the things and times that we don't really do anymore.
27:23Like go to Blockbuster.
27:24Oh my God.
27:26Like we're instead of Netflix,
27:27we would literally have to go to the place.
27:30Yes.
27:31And rent out the thing.
27:32Were you on MySpace?
27:33Yes, actually.
27:34That was like MySpace is what launched my first single.
27:36Okay.
27:37So that's what I think I was one of the first artists
27:39to like that they really,
27:43the label at the time,
27:44like partnered with MySpace
27:45and they were like,
27:46this girl's like a fetus.
27:47So like this will be good
27:48because it's like a bunch of kids on here and stuff.
27:50So yeah, MySpace was a big part of my life and career.
27:53And I had like my JoJo one
27:54and then I had like my Joanna one.
27:56And I'd like,
27:57yeah, so I'd like have my,
27:58you know, my personal MySpace and stuff.
28:01But I was up on the MySpace
28:02and I was also up on the AIM
28:04and in the chats and stuff.
28:06The chat rooms.
28:07In the chat rooms.
28:09ASL,
28:09lying about my age,
28:10sex and location.
28:11Just being like a little frisky girl,
28:14like wanting to talk to older boys.
28:16Just being just,
28:16it's just fast.
28:17Just being bad.
28:18I think that's where storytelling comes from
28:20because you needed to be quick with it.
28:22Created.
28:22With the ASL.
28:23You're like,
28:24I'm from Laguna Beach.
28:26Yeah, Laguna Beach.
28:27Never been there.
28:27Never been there.
28:28I'm from Miami.
28:29They're like,
28:29what part?
28:29I'm like,
28:30don't worry about it.
28:31The beach part.
28:31Yeah.
28:32The beach part of Miami.
28:33I think all of those
28:35would go into the Y2K
28:36like fragrance
28:37of it all
28:38because that's just like
28:39such a,
28:40it's such a time.
28:42It feels like a different life.
28:43I don't know if you feel like that.
28:44Like you,
28:44you have lived many lives.
28:46Totally a different life.
28:47I mean,
28:48for those of us
28:50who are now
28:51old enough to remember
28:52when the trends were
28:54just,
28:54you know what I mean?
28:55Yes.
28:55Because like now,
28:55now it's all back.
28:56Y2K is here.
28:58So it's really interesting
28:59to see those like
29:00the trends
29:01and the cycle of them
29:02and everything.
29:04And you were talking about,
29:05I mean,
29:05I long for the,
29:06I want to throw my phone
29:08into the ocean.
29:09I'm tired of this damn smartphone.
29:11I'm tired of being addicted
29:11I want a dumb phone.
29:13Yes.
29:13So,
29:14but I did have a sidekick
29:15when I was a teenager
29:17and,
29:17but then I also had,
29:18or before that,
29:19I had the razor
29:20and you have to type out.
29:22Yeah.
29:22Press A four times.
29:24Exactly.
29:25Yeah.
29:25Some of y'all don't know
29:26and that's totally fine.
29:27I hope you never have to know,
29:29but I feel like the pendulum swings.
29:31Yeah.
29:31It always does.
29:32So maybe we will
29:33harken back to a time
29:34where people reject
29:36the idea of being
29:37plugged in completely
29:38on their phones
29:39and they want to get back to,
29:41you know,
29:42just like,
29:44like we don't need
29:45to be constantly connected
29:46with our smartphones.
29:47I want a landline.
29:48Right.
29:48I kind of,
29:49I actually saw this
29:50small tangent
29:51because I think everything
29:52comes back to like,
29:54if you become an adult,
29:55you want your childhood.
29:56Yeah.
29:56And I'm like,
29:57yeah,
29:58a landline sounds crazy.
29:59I would love to hear
30:00like a bring,
30:00bring,
30:00bring in my house.
30:01And there's literally
30:02a company
30:02where you can connect
30:04your cell phone
30:06to a landline
30:07and you pay like $20 a month
30:10and you could turn it on
30:11and off from a little app
30:12on your phone.
30:13You're like,
30:13hey,
30:13on the weekends,
30:14like if you want to call me,
30:16you got to ring my cell phone.
30:17My cell phone won't ring.
30:18My landline will ring.
30:19That's a no brainer.
30:20No brainer.
30:2120 bucks.
30:23Do it.
30:23And you buy the little phone
30:24and you're just like,
30:25and then you have the little cord
30:26and then you can like wrap your finger
30:28around the little cord
30:28and you're like,
30:29it's too cute.
30:30You know,
30:30it's too cute.
30:31Like we all just want to,
30:32we all just want what is already familiar to us.
30:34Like no new things,
30:35no new things in 2026 and beyond.
30:39There's too many things.
30:40There's too many new things.
30:41We can't keep up.
30:42We can't keep up.
30:43I'm tired.
30:44I need,
30:44I need rest.
30:46But you,
30:47you're busy.
30:48You're on the go.
30:49I feel like you don't need rest.
30:50You were signed to a record label at 12.
30:53Yeah.
30:54In 2003.
30:56Like,
30:57what do you remember about that?
30:58Like,
30:58can you take us there?
30:59Like,
30:59I'll close my eyes
31:00and you can transport me.
31:02Ooh.
31:03Okay.
31:04So my mom and I,
31:06you know,
31:06just two young ladies out there in the world.
31:10She's so cute.
31:11She has her signature bangs and her long hair.
31:14She's had the same cut for literally ever.
31:17And anyway,
31:18we're walking,
31:18we moved from Massachusetts to LA for pilot season,
31:22which is where like when,
31:24cause I'm an actress and a singer.
31:26And it's where shows are putting their new cast together
31:32for their new seasons.
31:33And we moved there for auditions.
31:35My mom inherited some money from her grandmother.
31:38She passed away.
31:39We had no money.
31:41My mom cleaned houses for a living,
31:42but we had this opportunity.
31:43And my mom was like,
31:44let's go to California.
31:45And I'm like,
31:45really?
31:46I can't believe you believe in me.
31:48It was so nice.
31:48My mom's amazing.
31:49God bless you,
31:50mom.
31:50So I lost a talent competition,
31:54but ended up meeting a manager at that place.
31:56And they introduced me to the people that would eventually sign me to this label.
32:00We are skipping down Sunset Boulevard.
32:03The sun is setting.
32:05You know,
32:06I had just signed a very long contract that eventually was not the greatest,
32:12but what it smelled like was dreams come true, possibility, you know, California,
32:18California.
32:19It's like what?
32:21California dreaming.
32:21California dreaming for real.
32:23And then we went to this little sandwich shop and we had this,
32:26it's no longer there,
32:28but it was right across from the rock sea.
32:30So all these different iconic rock venues too that were right there.
32:34And just the,
32:35I was like,
32:36life is just beginning.
32:37Life is just starting.
32:39And wow,
32:39I could change,
32:41you know,
32:41my whole family's life.
32:43Yes.
32:43Oh my God.
32:44So it was really exciting about,
32:46you know,
32:46what that could mean.
32:47And it was nerve wracking,
32:49but mostly just like exhilarating and exciting.
32:52And even at 12 years old,
32:54I'd been singing professionally since I was six.
32:56I'd like,
32:56that's when I first started like doing musical theater and doing commercials and stuff.
33:01So by 12,
33:01I was like,
33:02yeah,
33:02it's about time.
33:03You're like,
33:03I'm a professional,
33:04I'm a working girl.
33:05I'm literally a working girl.
33:07So.
33:07I love that.
33:08That's what it was.
33:09That's what it felt like.
33:10As you were talking,
33:11like my synesthesia was kicking in and I was you like,
33:14skipping there with your mom.
33:15I'm very close with my mother also.
33:16And I have felt the same feeling where I'm like,
33:18you believe in me.
33:19Oh,
33:20I was so lucky.
33:21You're like,
33:22what a gift to just be like,
33:24you believe in me in a way that I didn't know anyone could believe in anyone.
33:28And now I kind of have this beautiful delusion of how grand that I can be.
33:33And that,
33:33as you were saying it,
33:35I was like,
33:35that's joy.
33:36It's joy.
33:36I did not appreciate it at the time,
33:38but to have her,
33:39you know,
33:40be like,
33:40you can do anything.
33:41You can be,
33:43you know,
33:43that created that delusion within me that we need to make something happen.
33:49I think women at their highest form are just delusional creatures because we can move mountains
33:53and like wars are created because of us.
33:55And we're just like,
33:56we're just a girl and everything should be as we delusion it in our brains.
34:00So I'm glad that you got delusion pilled early.
34:04I know.
34:04Right.
34:05Because I feel like that keeps you sane.
34:07Right.
34:08I'm grateful that she stoked my imagination and my belief that I could do something cool.
34:15And then we got to do some really cool things.
34:17Yes.
34:17What's the coolest thing that you got to do?
34:19Oh my gosh.
34:20I mean,
34:21to travel the world,
34:22my first tour that I ever was on,
34:24I opened for Usher in Europe,
34:25which was a crazy introduction into touring.
34:29How old were you?
34:30I was 13 or 14.
34:32I think I was 13 because my single hadn't come out yet in Europe.
34:37So in France,
34:38for example,
34:39I was booed.
34:40They did not want to see this little girl who they had no idea who she was.
34:43And you booed back.
34:44They wanted Usher.
34:44I'm like,
34:45what do you mean?
34:45I was like,
34:46yeah,
34:47exactly.
34:47You're like,
34:47pardon me.
34:48I'm peak puberty.
34:49You're not going to boo me.
34:50But yeah,
34:50so that,
34:51I mean,
34:51we got to do some incredible things.
34:52See the world,
34:54tour,
34:56you know,
34:57just give experiences to our family that we'd never had before.
35:02So did you tour with your whole family?
35:04No,
35:04it was just me and my mom.
35:05I'm an only child.
35:06Me too.
35:07Really?
35:07Yes.
35:08So that's a unique experience in itself too.
35:10And especially when,
35:12you know,
35:12and it was just me and my mom,
35:14mostly because my dad was living in New Hampshire.
35:16And so it was a very unique and,
35:18and experience,
35:19wonderful experience that I look back on now with a lot more gratitude for her than I felt at the
35:25time.
35:25You know what I'm saying?
35:26It is.
35:27I feel like you really reach womanhood when you realize that your mom was just a girl.
35:32Just a girl.
35:33And was like doing her best and like being your girl best friend with you.
35:37I felt that my mom's name is Lydia.
35:39And I was like,
35:39Lydia.
35:40Lydia.
35:41An angel.
35:42Diana.
35:43Diana.
35:43Yeah.
35:44Oh my gosh.
35:45Yeah.
35:45Diana.
35:46Much love for Diana and Lydia.
35:47Much love.
35:47Forever and ever and ever and ever into the next life and the life after that.
35:51Seriously.
35:52Forever.
35:53Like cannot love mom enough.
35:54Aw.
35:54I think that's beautiful,
35:56man.
35:56And like I said,
35:57Leave Get Out.
35:59Powerful breakup song,
36:00but no breakup.
36:01No breakup.
36:02So where did that come from?
36:03Breaking up with,
36:04you know,
36:05asshole kids on the playground maybe.
36:07But like that's about it,
36:08you know,
36:08because I was bullied a bit in school because I was always very eccentric.
36:12Can you imagine?
36:14But no.
36:15Being a performer,
36:15you're like,
36:16um,
36:17hello.
36:17I was like singing at the top of my lungs on the top of the jungle gym and just being
36:21like,
36:21just playing with resonance and seeing what my range could do and trying to sound like
36:25Christina Aguilera,
36:27trying to sound like,
36:28um,
36:29Cher,
36:30trying to sound like Bob Seger or George Benson or Michael Jackson.
36:34With Celine Dion in there,
36:35I feel like you could have belted a crazy Celine Dion.
36:37Definitely.
36:38And I want to discuss that when she came out with her fragrance,
36:41it was such a concept to me that maybe if I wore her fragrance that maybe I could sound
36:45like her,
36:46maybe I could turn into her.
36:48So that girl delusion is smart.
36:50Exactly.
36:51And I'm sure you did.
36:51You turned into your own version of her.
36:54I did not.
36:56No,
36:56I wish.
36:57No,
36:57I was like,
36:57wow,
36:58what is the best singer in the world smell like?
37:00You know,
37:00I've had to know.
37:01So we got the fragrance.
37:02For research.
37:02For research.
37:03How did that song even come about if you had not been in a relationship?
37:06I was bullied a little bit.
37:07So I felt the angst of like feeling othered.
37:10Okay.
37:10Feeling like,
37:12you know,
37:12blah,
37:13blah,
37:13blah.
37:13So it was kind of a kiss off low key to kids who had been mean to me.
37:17Like,
37:17oh,
37:18you,
37:18oh,
37:18you think I'm cool now?
37:19Basically where you asked was that when I was shooting in the gym or,
37:22um,
37:23you know,
37:23back then they didn't want me.
37:25Now I'm hot.
37:25They all love me.
37:26It was kind of that feeling of like,
37:29it was that,
37:30but also I had like one middle school boyfriend who smelled really good,
37:35actually.
37:36And probably his name.
37:37His name was Anthony.
37:38Love you.
37:38Anthony.
37:39He's still cute.
37:39I think he does.
37:40Like,
37:41I think he does illegal stuff now.
37:42I think he like has taken a path that we're praying for you,
37:45Anthony.
37:46Yeah.
37:46We're praying for you.
37:47I feel like we all had,
37:48like my,
37:49listen,
37:50mine too.
37:51Okay.
37:51Mine too.
37:52He was a cutie though.
37:53A dangerous angel.
37:54He was a bad boy.
37:54I wrote a song about him called bad boys.
37:57And because I was like,
37:58tell me more.
37:59Why is it that I always fall for the bad boys?
38:01And now he's like,
38:02really?
38:02He might be terrible.
38:04Anyway,
38:06Anthony,
38:06hope you're well.
38:07Praying for you,
38:08Anthony.
38:08Really,
38:08truly,
38:09deeply.
38:09Woo.
38:10So yeah.
38:11So leave,
38:11get out was a song that was perfectly crafted by the genius Swedes and the people that make,
38:17I think the song was actually written for TLC originally.
38:20Okay.
38:20But I have had a wonderful executive producer who really fought for that song to be for me.
38:27Okay.
38:27So I recorded it and it changed my life,
38:30changed the trajectory of my path and everything.
38:32And I'm so,
38:34so grateful for that song.
38:35It,
38:36um,
38:36if you listen to the guitar riff,
38:41it is kind of reminiscent of TLC and like no scrubs,
38:45for example.
38:46And I actually didn't notice that until later on down the line.
38:49And I'm like,
38:50I hope this doesn't,
38:51I don't get canceled for this.
38:52I thought you were black for the longest time.
38:55I take that as a compliment.
38:57Don't cancel me y'all because I don't cancel me for saying it was a compliment.
39:01Because I loved TLC growing up.
39:03Yeah.
39:03And like,
39:04I didn't,
39:04there was,
39:05I didn't watch MTV.
39:06So I didn't know what you looked like.
39:07Right.
39:08But like,
39:08you didn't watch MTV.
39:09Were you very,
39:10very,
39:11very soon a religious fan?
39:11My father was like,
39:12yeah.
39:13Okay.
39:13I didn't do Halloween either.
39:15They said none of that.
39:16Jovus Wittes?
39:16No.
39:17Okay.
39:17Okay.
39:17But just like no demon things.
39:19But I did.
39:19No demon things.
39:20But my parents were like,
39:20JK Rowling can write and we're going to read Harry Potter.
39:23Witches are fine.
39:24They're like,
39:24witches are fine.
39:25But like,
39:26so it was a funny little thing,
39:27but no MTV because they were like,
39:29we don't want you to be a little hoochie mama.
39:30Okay.
39:31So I didn't know what you looked like.
39:32I saw no music videos.
39:34And they were big,
39:35like Michael Jackson,
39:37like the,
39:37the CDs that we would buy.
39:38I think the first CD I ever bought was,
39:41oops,
39:41I did it again.
39:41So I knew Britney Spears.
39:43Oh,
39:43well she was cheeky.
39:44She was cheeky,
39:44but my mom was like,
39:46we love pop.
39:47We love pop.
39:47So we're getting it.
39:48So I thought you were black because I never knew what you were.
39:50Never knew.
39:51And I was like,
39:51you sounded,
39:52yeah,
39:52I was like,
39:53you sounded black to me and it sounded very TLC,
39:55which I also was obsessed with.
39:57there was a big influence for sure from TLC.
39:59And I mean,
39:59on my first album,
40:00I did a cover of SWB's week.
40:02So,
40:03so R and B has been deeply influential and are always is,
40:07you know,
40:08just a part of that's,
40:10that's,
40:11you know,
40:12in my DNA.
40:13Very soulful.
40:14Yeah.
40:14Absolutely.
40:14You get very soulful even here.
40:16Well,
40:16thank you.
40:17So yeah,
40:18leave,
40:18get out was a game changing song and it's just so funny because I guess
40:25life kind of did imitate art.
40:28I guess that's,
40:28that's the way it went.
40:29Right.
40:29Because,
40:30you know,
40:30and then another big song on my next album was too little too late.
40:34And both were like angsty breakup songs.
40:37And then life is funny in the way it unfolds.
40:41And then I had like horrible,
40:44you know,
40:45experiences with boys.
40:46I manifested my own suffering.
40:48I'm like,
40:49damn.
40:49I was like,
40:49well,
40:50these boys came up with creative ways to break my heart.
40:53You know what I mean?
40:53I recently said,
40:55and again,
40:56I'm so sorry y'all,
40:58but I think you'll resonate.
41:00Sometimes men don't realize that they are weapons of mass destruction for women.
41:05I love,
41:06listen,
41:06my best love men.
41:07I love them.
41:08I am not man,
41:09not man bombing,
41:10not man shaming,
41:11but sometimes a girl is just being cute and a man comes in and they're like,
41:15I'm just,
41:15just for fun.
41:17Just mess it up a little bit.
41:18Just to see what I can do.
41:19Just to see,
41:19just for,
41:19you know,
41:20boys are rough.
41:21And I'm like,
41:21no,
41:21girls are,
41:22we gotta be baby.
41:24So I'm so sorry that that happened to you.
41:26It's okay.
41:27It really built character.
41:28I became a very,
41:29I became a terror actually,
41:32you know,
41:32after that,
41:33because then I was like,
41:33oh,
41:34you know,
41:35your heart can get broken at any moment.
41:37I'm going to break all the hearts.
41:38You're like,
41:39I am the heartbreaker.
41:39Exactly.
41:40I became the heartbreaker.
41:41And now I'm just a lover girl.
41:42Now you're just a sweet girl.
41:44Now I'm just,
41:44no,
41:45you know,
41:45now I contain multitudes.
41:47Yes.
41:47And I think that's what women are best at.
41:49I feel like we can definitely nostalgia out together forever on just being like a millennial,
41:54but you're a grown woman now and properly a grown woman that has like beat the game.
41:59Cause you're like in your peak radiance.
42:02Like you're not performing for other people.
42:05You're performing for yourself.
42:06Like you're really doing it.
42:07You're on Broadway.
42:08You're making another album.
42:10You are potentially working on a little movie situation.
42:13Even like you're doing starring in this movie,
42:16which is really exciting.
42:18But it's all coming together.
42:19So I don't want to like count my chickens before they hatch.
42:21That's all right.
42:22We're just going to,
42:23we're just going to,
42:24we're going to plant a little seed.
42:25But I'm so grateful and I'm so excited.
42:27And like you said,
42:27like I just feel like with,
42:30with some seasoning and some experience in life,
42:32it makes us appreciate the,
42:34the beauty of it even more.
42:36And that's what I love about sensual pleasures and,
42:40and,
42:41and realizing the,
42:42like the memories that we're making right now and just like how beautiful it is
42:46to like,
42:46like this is a memory.
42:47This is a memory.
42:48And,
42:48and I'm having such a nice time with you and just like,
42:51just to indulge in those things.
42:53You know what I mean?
42:54So even when I go on tour now or when I'm making music now,
42:58like I'm really trying to be more present than ever and just really be
43:02intentional about what I want my,
43:05my offering to be and,
43:06and,
43:06and trying to tap into what my purpose is and discovering that in real time and,
43:12and trying to take my time with it,
43:13as opposed to just giving into what feels like the hamster wheel of it all,
43:18where it's like,
43:18we have to,
43:20you know,
43:21put out music,
43:21a new album every frigging day,
43:24every month.
43:24Do you feel that pressure?
43:26I think a lot of us,
43:27I think most of us do where it's like,
43:28Oh,
43:29you know,
43:29but I think I've already,
43:31I don't worry about being forgotten because people have moved on and it's,
43:36and it's,
43:37and it's fine.
43:38It's like,
43:38all it takes is one song,
43:40one moment for people to,
43:42for,
43:43you know,
43:43build it and they will come.
43:44Like,
43:44I don't know that,
43:45that,
43:45that that's what I believe.
43:46I love that you are so at peace because I feel like a lot of creatives,
43:49especially chase after relevancy.
43:52I mean,
43:52I'm already,
43:53people have already written me off and I'm okay with that.
43:55You know what I mean?
43:56So like,
43:56I feel like that relieves some pressure.
43:57It does.
43:57It does relieve some pressure.
43:59So I'm like,
43:59here I am.
44:01My fans love me.
44:02I have the best really,
44:03I have the best fans in the world.
44:05They show up,
44:05they sell out my tours.
44:06We're incredible.
44:07We're in this together.
44:08Yeah.
44:08And then anyone else,
44:10if they'd like to come along for the ride,
44:11that's just icing on the cake.
44:12You know what I mean?
44:13So,
44:13so I just want to make music that's really meant to be like,
44:17that excites me because that excitement translates when we're,
44:20you know,
44:20it's like when you're talking about fragrance,
44:22you're like,
44:22this is my jam.
44:23I know this.
44:24And you're magnetic when you're in that state.
44:25Magnetism.
44:26Exactly.
44:26So that's,
44:27that's what I'm looking for.
44:28And I'm excited about it.
44:29New tour next year.
44:30New,
44:31new music.
44:31This would be the first album in seven years.
44:33So I'm hype on that.
44:34And we should clap.
44:36Oh,
44:38can you tell me about the music on it?
44:40Like it's not,
44:40is it breakup songs anymore or no more manifesting that for us?
44:43I mean,
44:43I definitely don't want to manifest breakups,
44:45but it's,
44:46it's inspired by the freedom and empowerment that comes with having some
44:52seasoning on you with like being young enough to feel sexy and fun.
44:56And like,
44:57you can switch up your life and,
44:58and move to a new city and start all over again,
45:01having the courage to,
45:02to change,
45:02to,
45:03you know,
45:04let go of the things that you've known and start fresh.
45:07And it's never too late or too scary to do that.
45:10I mean,
45:11you,
45:11you can.
45:11So that's,
45:13that is what's a,
45:14it's what independence feels like to me.
45:16Um,
45:16and also like finding the way to relate to somebody.
45:22It is about interpersonal relationships.
45:23I'm,
45:23I'm in a beautiful relationship,
45:25but that doesn't mean that I want to forget about all the other aspects of
45:28life too.
45:29So it's about feeling hot and sexy and empowered and also soft and grown.
45:35So I'm,
45:36I'm finding it.
45:37Thank you for the recipe to womanhood.
45:39Oh girl,
45:40I'm making it up in real time.
45:42I'm cooking,
45:43cooking with some spice.
45:44It's soulful.
45:45It's funky.
45:46It's memorable.
45:47It's energetic.
45:48I'm excited.
45:49Incredible.
45:51So you do have some spice on you and this is a very beautiful era of your
45:54life,
45:54but I'm also curious,
45:55are you a gatekeeper when it comes to fragrance?
45:57No,
45:58I don't get cute.
45:58Okay.
45:58Well,
45:59what do you wear?
45:59We talked about what was in your,
46:00I was like,
46:01you got eight,
46:01which means you probably remember all the names.
46:03So I want to know,
46:03cause this,
46:04I feel like those fragrances and we've gotten to know you over this time
46:06together,
46:07which is such a beautiful.
46:08Thank you for being so much fun.
46:09Vulnerable.
46:10I'm like,
46:11there's so many fun,
46:12yummy layers.
46:13I can smell you.
46:14And like,
46:14I'm like,
46:15girl,
46:15I loved the way that you smell.
46:17I'm just like,
46:18what is it?
46:19Well,
46:19first of all,
46:19let me shout out my girl,
46:21Billie Eilish,
46:22because she has my favorite celebrity scent right now.
46:26Her company sent me the,
46:28you know,
46:28the PR package of it.
46:29And I was like,
46:30okay,
46:30what's this giving?
46:31It's giving delight.
46:33It's really,
46:33really nice.
46:34And it's a unisex fragrance.
46:35I just wanted to say,
46:36it's the one,
46:37the gold one,
46:38the dice one,
46:38the black.
46:39It's the one that I have.
46:40And I just think it's really,
46:41really nice.
46:42That's what I have in my cabinet right now.
46:43But what I wear on the daily.
46:45Yes.
46:45Is Eben Fumé,
46:46which I,
46:47Frederick Moll.
46:48Tom Ford.
46:49Tom Ford.
46:49Yeah.
46:50Tom Ford.
46:50I do love,
46:50I do love Frederick Moll.
46:52And I wore Superstitious.
46:53That was my signature fragrance for a long time.
46:54But then I also mix with a body spray.
46:57Okay.
46:57And I also do a lotion.
46:59So I do like a gourmand vanilla lotion.
47:01Okay.
47:02And then I do a deodorant that has a nice smell to it too.
47:08And then,
47:09and yeah,
47:10so I layer with about three or four things.
47:12Okay.
47:13So before we go.
47:14Okay.
47:15I want to ask all of our guests one final question.
47:18And this is your moment to Soapbox.
47:20You're very humble.
47:21You're very sincere.
47:22You're very,
47:22you know,
47:22but you're allowed to,
47:24you know,
47:24I want you to get that,
47:25you know,
47:26get it out.
47:27Listen,
47:28I couldn't have hit that note ever.
47:30So thank you for doing that for both of us.
47:32But I want to know what is on your scent palette for the next year?
47:36What does the next 12 months smell like for you?
47:38This can be pretend or real.
47:43Oh,
47:43what does it smell like for me?
47:45Um,
47:47let's see.
47:48The next 12 months smells like ascension.
47:51Smells like expansion.
47:53Jazz.
47:54Golden hour.
47:56Okay.
47:56New York City.
47:58Um,
48:00Europe.
48:00Europe.
48:02Smells like that new Concord flight back and forth.
48:06It doesn't exist yet.
48:07It doesn't exist yet.
48:08I don't know.
48:08It smells like the future.
48:09Yes.
48:10It smells like Sonic jets.
48:11It smells like getting,
48:11it smells like,
48:12it smells like getting to London in 45 minutes.
48:14Yeah.
48:15It smells like,
48:16um,
48:16you know,
48:17celebration.
48:17Um,
48:19like getting together with,
48:20with saying yes,
48:22you know,
48:22saying yes to the trips with girlfriends,
48:24uh,
48:25to the spaciousness to be able to do that.
48:27It smells like gratitude.
48:29Um,
48:30always notes of Amber.
48:31Always notes of Amber.
48:33Yes.
48:33Yeah.
48:34I would,
48:34I would say that is,
48:35is that a good description?
48:36I think that makes sense.
48:38Yes.
48:38And I feel like that's just a continuation of your entire life.
48:41Yeah.
48:41Like I like this phrasing of like the sequence of yes and being open and,
48:47and just like supple to what the world wants to bring you and being soft enough to accept.
48:52And then like clear enough to say no,
48:54what is not for me.
48:56And I feel like you are the embodiment of the sequencing of yes.
48:59And what can just happen.
49:00You just gave me such a gift.
49:02Thank you for that.
49:02Yeah.
49:03It's a heart opening,
49:04you know?
49:04Yes.
49:05Yes.
49:05Whoa,
49:06Jojo.
49:06My girl.
49:08My new girl.
49:09This is so fun.
49:09We are each other's girl.
49:10Like we're,
49:11we're little,
49:12little scent girls.
49:13You've been amazing.
49:14So thank you so much for joining us on Nosedive.
49:17First one.
49:17Yes.
49:18First one.
49:18Way to set it off.
49:19This was so awesome.
49:20It was incredible.
49:21You're so great.
49:22You're so great.
49:23Thank you to our launch partners at EOS for making the season of Nosedive possible.
49:28Please go find their products.
49:30I'm telling you this combination of beach waves and toasted marshmallows gives you that same
49:34kind of euphoric feeling of being at the beach all summer,
49:39all day,
49:39but without having to,
49:40you know,
49:40pay for the ferry,
49:42get dirty in the sand,
49:43which honestly is nice here and there,
49:45but sometimes I just want the feeling,
49:47the nostalgia of it.
49:48So try these,
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49:51You will not be disappointed and you will feel like it is summer all year long.
49:54On our next episode of Nosedive,
49:58we will be traveling the world first class through scent.
50:01Of course.
50:02What else?
50:03So make sure to tune in here on YouTube.
50:05And I am Asia Grant,
50:07your scent sommelier through this entire journey.
50:09You can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Asia underscore underscore Grant.
50:14And if you're ever in New York,
50:16I would love to take you on your own perfume tour to find your signature scent.
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