DSA Co-Chair Was NOT Ready for This Question

Doc Rich

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00:00So we're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform,

00:03and I want to ask you, just give me sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate.

00:08True. Okay. Replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them.

00:14Yep. Abolish ICE.

00:18Absolutely. Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the U.S. illegally.

00:25As a long-term plan, yep. Defund the Pentagon.

00:30Absolutely. Abolish prisons, at least in large part.

00:35Yeah, again, as part of a long-term program, yeah.

00:38Okay, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations.

00:44Yeah, absolutely.

00:45So we're going to put up on the screen.

00:50DSA co-chair Megan Romer recently did a, went on a podcast where she got asked a serious series of

01:02questions

01:04and surprisingly didn't really have any answers, to be completely honest.

01:09And it was just like, hmm, if you believe in this thing so much, wouldn't you know it like the

01:17back of your hand?

01:18Wouldn't you have all of the answers?

01:20I mean, she got absolutely embarrassed and the guy wasn't even trying to embarrass her.

01:24That's how bad these DSA folks are.

01:28They got embarrassed without even, without the person even attempting to embarrass them.

01:34It's almost akin to when Kamala Harris was asked by Sonny Hostin, couldn't think of her name there for a

01:45second,

01:45what would she do differently than Joe Biden?

01:48And Kamala said nothing.

01:52It's almost akin to that kind of moment where you're just like, huh?

01:59Like, at least lie.

02:01I mean, geez, like that, that's how terrible you guys are.

02:04My goodness.

02:05My goodness.

02:07Yeah, so I want to get into it.

02:09It's absolutely hilarious and it's been making its rounds on the internet.

02:13So with that being said, smack the like button, subscribe if you are new.

02:17Also, check out my second channel.

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02:22Thank you guys for all of the continued love and support.

02:24I greatly appreciate you all.

02:26Let's jump into it.

02:28I think what might have disturbed some people who are watching that Fox clip,

02:34there was a certain kind of, you know, breezy.

02:37Yeah, I'm for that.

02:38I'm for that.

02:38And there was no detail at all.

02:40And when you come to an issue like prison abolition and just say, yep, I'm for that.

02:46Or defund the police?

02:48Sure, I'm for that.

02:51It was a little startling.

02:53Now, it might have been the form of the show.

02:55So let's flip the switch here and dig down a little.

02:58What do you mean by prison abolition?

03:00We've had on this show Michelle Alexander who wrote The New Jim Crow.

03:04And plenty of people in the Democratic Party, even in the establishment, have rejected mass incarceration.

03:11And some things have been done to bring it down.

03:14What does prison abolition mean to you?

03:17So, again, let's start from first principles, right?

03:21What do we need?

03:22We need safety.

03:23Let's not begin from first principles.

03:24Let's begin from what is to be done, to use a Leninist phrase.

03:30No, I mean, I think you have to start from first principles.

03:32And that is the core of this.

03:34We need community safety.

03:35We need people to be safe.

03:36We need people to be able to live their lives without fear of being assaulted, without fear of being robbed,

03:44without fear of violence.

03:46What communities do we know are the safest?

03:49It's not communities with cops on every corner.

03:51It's communities that have good schools, good jobs, good park systems, good recreation for their teenagers, things like that.

03:58Those are the safe communities.

04:00Yeah.

04:00And why do those communities have those things?

04:06Because the crime is low.

04:07Why aren't the cops patrolling those areas like they are others?

04:11Because the crime is low.

04:13So when she says, well, it's not the areas with the most cops.

04:16Well, duh, because that just wouldn't make sense.

04:18Why would cops patrol the area where there's virtually no crime?

04:22That's a waste of resources.

04:24They're going to be where most of the crime is.

04:27They go where the crime is.

04:28And yeah, does poverty contribute to that?

04:32Absolutely.

04:33But it's kind of like a cycle, right?

04:37Where there's more crime, there's typically more poverty.

04:41And where there's more poverty, there's typically more crime.

04:43So in order to fix the situation, you've got to get rid of the crime first.

04:50That's the key.

04:51You surge the area with police and you eradicate the crime.

04:57Once the crime is down, now the businesses come.

05:00Because believe it or not, even in the hood, money flows.

05:04Money flows.

05:05Some might argue more than even some well affluent neighborhoods.

05:10Because people are so frivolous with their money.

05:15They're just throwing money all over the place, right?

05:18So it's not about, you know, get rid of the police officers.

05:24You need more police officers to get rid of the crime.

05:27Because once the crime is down, now the businesses come.

05:30And the businesses aren't going to come when the crime is high.

05:33Nobody's going to want to work in that type of environment.

05:36Let alone have a business because you're getting robbed.

05:38You're getting your business vandalized.

05:40All types of stuff.

05:42Nobody wants to work in that type of environment.

05:44Because now not only is your money being put at risk.

05:48Because, you know, these entrepreneurs put their money up to start these businesses.

05:53That's something that a lot of people don't think about.

05:55You know, it costs to start a business.

05:58And so their hard-earned dollars are being put at risk.

06:01But also their life.

06:03They don't want to be behind the cash register when some hoodlum decides to run in there with a gun

06:08and rob the place.

06:09They don't want that to happen.

06:11You know how many videos I've seen of just cashiers being shot for no gosh darn reason?

06:16The guy wanted to rob the place and he ended up shooting the cashier just because?

06:21Like, nobody wants to be in that type of situation.

06:23I'm sure some of you have heard of those types of situations where the cashier was shot because the person

06:28wanted to rob the place.

06:29Of like a hundred bucks.

06:32And it's just like, this stuff is silly.

06:35So nobody wants that.

06:36So get rid of the crime and now the businesses come.

06:38Once the businesses come, the jobs come.

06:42Once the jobs come, now we're talking.

06:45Right?

06:46Now we're talking.

06:46Now money is exchanging hands and flowing.

06:50Okay?

06:51And so that is the key.

06:53Not less police officers.

06:55But, you know, these people think they have it all figured out.

06:57In reality, they don't.

07:00Not even a little bit.

07:01But anyway, I'm going to let her carry on.

07:04Able to live their lives without fear of being assaulted, without fear of being robbed, without fear of violence.

07:12What communities do we know are the safest?

07:16It's not communities with cops on every corner.

07:17It's communities that have good schools, good jobs, good park systems, good recreation for their teenagers.

07:24Things like that.

07:25Those are the safe communities.

07:26What does defunding the police mean in your mind?

07:29Every year, police budgets go up.

07:31Every year, there's a backlog of rape kits that don't get tested.

07:35Should they be maintained?

07:36I am not in favor of getting rid of police entirely tomorrow.

07:40No, defunding the police means no funding.

07:42I think that's, you know.

07:43I don't think so.

07:44I think it means taking funding back and moving it elsewhere.

07:49That's right.

07:49So pulling some of that funding back and moving it elsewhere.

07:52To the extent to which we are fully funding social services, to which we are fully funding schools,

08:00lunch programs for kids, after school programs for kids.

08:04Communities should be clean and they should be safe.

08:06We should be funding putting trees up so people have more.

08:10I don't think anybody's going to argue about any of that, trees or anything of the like.

08:15And here's my pushback.

08:16I guarantee you, folks like her, if they were allowed to do exactly what it is that they're saying, they

08:22wouldn't live in those areas.

08:25Yeah, let's defund the police.

08:26Let's get rid of all the police.

08:28All right.

08:29Live on that block.

08:32Live in that same area where you say there's no police.

08:36Live there.

08:36I dare you.

08:38I guarantee you won't.

08:40You're going to live across town in a nice neighborhood with a bunch of rich folks, probably white folks, right?

08:49You know, the same white people that you demonize on a daily basis.

08:53That's going to be your neighbors.

08:55Not the people in the neighborhood where you say defund the police.

08:58We're going to get rid of all these individuals, all of these police who are here to protect the people.

09:01You're not going to live there.

09:03Not at all.

09:05Not by a long shot.

09:07Guarantee it.

09:08But they're concerned.

09:09But they do.

09:10They do.

09:10Because there's always more money for the police budgets.

09:13And there is never money for how do we just literally make our communities safer, nicer, healthier.

09:19And that does come to the question.

09:22We say we don't have enough money.

09:24Why do you think a number of politicians in your orbit who use the rhetoric of defund the police have

09:31kind of taken it back or muffled it or gotten rid of it entirely?

09:34I think you see, you know, different phrasings of the same idea.

09:39And, you know, if we're just talking about branding, I think that's not really the exercise we need to be

09:44spending a bunch of time on.

09:45I think we need to be talking to people about, like, what makes your community safe?

09:48And that is how DSA functions.

09:50We have a million conversations on the door.

09:52We are out in the communities actually changing minds.

09:55Democrats really like a slogan.

09:56They like an ad.

09:57They like a mailer.

09:58You've made an argument for abolishing the Senate.

10:02And we both live in a state that has a, I don't know what, multiple of a population of Wyoming,

10:08which also has two senators.

10:09We all understand that.

10:11The Electoral College, we understand why it was put in place in the first place and why it's outdated now.

10:17But I think we can also agree that the chances of amending the Constitution to that effect are about zero.

10:25Does taking that kind of theoretical position, however principled, distract from DSA policies that might really succeed or be more

10:33urgent?

10:34I don't think so.

10:35I think taking principled positions tells people that you're principled.

10:39And I think we see voters really responding to that.

10:42And we see people saying, oh, you're actually thinking about the systems.

10:45You know, even Thomas Jefferson, for all of his heinous problems, I think he was writing letters to James Madison

10:54where he talked about, we need a new Constitution every 19 years.

10:57Because he did some calculation in his head that that is when a generation changes over.

11:02And he said people should not be haunted by these rules set for them by previous generations.

11:06So this is not actually it's not a new concept to say, like, hey, wait a second.

11:11Why are we doing this thing this way?

11:14Give me the dynamics within DSA.

11:16Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Zoran Mamdani, too, have been criticized by people in DSA for moderating various positions.

11:25AOC took advice from Nancy Pelosi.

11:27Mamdani retained the New York City police commissioner.

11:32From the previous administration.

11:34Yep.

11:36So what I think often on the outside looks like.

11:40Nervous laugh.

11:41Infighting or mess.

11:42We just call it democracy.

11:43We think it's good.

11:45We're always happy to pick apart anything.

11:48Ruthless critique of all that exists, to use a Marxist phrase.

11:52You've quoted Marx now a few times in our conversation.

11:55I did quote Thomas Jefferson, too.

11:57Not happily.

11:58Not without ambivalence.

12:00Well, I was ruthlessly critiquing him for all that exists.

12:03You think you're going to get far by quoting Marxist theory in this country?

12:06Or do you think that that kind of Cold War antipathy to Marx, to say the least, is gone?

12:16I think that people see that capitalism is not working for them.

12:20And I think, you know, when you talk to people on the doors, they don't care if you're quoting Marx

12:24or Thomas Jefferson.

12:25They care about whether or not their building is safe, whether or not there are rats crawling around in their

12:31children's bedrooms.

12:31Of course, but but but and you can say, hey, guess what?

12:36There's this thing in Vienna called the Karl Marx Hoff.

12:39And it's a house and it's called named after Karl Marx.

12:42And it is dignified, clean, high quality social housing.

12:47And that is that is a real thing that exists.

12:50I think people aren't afraid of.

12:52Is there a model for a politics or a society that is real and existing in this world that you

12:58would like to see the United States copy or or somehow be close to?

13:05Wait for it.

13:05I wish I wish that that more socialist experiments could be happening without CIA interference, without U.S. sanctions messing

13:15with it.

13:16You know, but I wish that we weren't doing, you know, spending billions of dollars to destabilize Cuba.

13:21I think I think there are lessons we can take from different socialist projects.

13:26I think the Cuban Family Code is a really interesting one in.

13:29Oh, don't notice how she's changing the subject.

13:31It's never worked on a mass scale.

13:34It's never worked.

13:35She knows that.

13:36Well, we're so more experienced to have been experiments.

13:39You know, I think it's funny that these people always quote Marx, Karl Marx.

13:44Um, when in reality, what a lot of people don't realize is that Karl Marx, uh, for like the last,

13:52I believe it was like 30 years of his life was in exile.

13:57He's not even buried where he, where he's from.

14:00Karl Marx is buried in like England, I believe.

14:05Like his, his, his own people didn't even want his dead body.

14:09Like he's not even buried where he's from, but yet like these, these, these folks, um, you know, talk about

14:16him as if he was like this, this fantastic individual.

14:19And listen, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm not glorifying anybody's death, even if I disagreed with him.

14:24Um, now, obviously, you know, he wouldn't be alive today, even if, you know, he was like the absolute most

14:30healthiest person ever.

14:32Uh, but you know, like his, his, his own people, where he was from, like hated him, you know?

14:40So why are, why is this guy like to be glorified?

14:44I'm, I'm, I'm kind of confused.

14:45I'm kind of confused to the point where he's not even buried in his own home country.

14:54You know, that, that, that, that part's confusing me a little bit as well.

14:58Um, but yeah, I, I hear this lady blaming anybody and everybody, but the fact that this stuff just doesn't

15:07work.

15:08On a smaller scale, yeah, sure.

15:10It might work for a little while, but eventually it's going to fall apart.

15:16Just like it does on a mass scale.

15:18Like this stuff just does not work.

15:20And I, I, I, I don't, I really don't get why people keep trying to run back to it as

15:25if it's this new fantastic idea.

15:29That's never been tried.

15:30It's never been put together.

15:31It's never been done on a mass scale.

15:33It has, it's been tried multiple times in the past.

15:37Multiple times on mass scale and on smaller scales as well.

15:41And it's always falling apart every single time, every single time.

15:48And then also, uh, and I, I posted a YouTube short about this, but when, when you ask these folks

15:54to live the life that they're promoting,

15:58all of that, all of that talk goes right out the window.

16:01Check out my, one of my latest YouTube shorts.

16:04I think I uploaded it.

16:05Maybe, maybe, maybe I need to upload it.

16:07Cause I, uh, Oh, maybe I didn't upload it.

16:12Did I not?

16:14Let's see.

16:15I thought I did.

16:16I know.

16:17I put it together.

16:17Maybe I just didn't upload it yet.

16:21Um, I thought I did.

16:22Yes, I did.

16:22I did.

16:23I did.

16:23Check out my latest, uh, YouTube short where you have Charlie Kirk calling out Hassan Piker,

16:30because obviously Hassan Piker, I mean, the guy is very, very wealthy.

16:34He's doing very well for himself.

16:36Uh, multi, multi millions.

16:38Charlie Kirk calls him out.

16:40Like if you, if you believe in all of this stuff, taxing the rich, you know, taxing the crap out

16:45of people,

16:45why don't you just tax the crap out of yourself?

16:47Give up all of your money.

16:49In the moment, he says that all of that talk goes right out the window.

16:53Go and check out that YouTube short.

16:54But, uh, every, every single time you do that to these folks, it all falls apart.

16:58Go, uh, if you, if you ask that Megan chick that you just saw on your screen, uh, to go

17:03and live in these areas that she's talking about, you know, not having police and all

17:07of this other stuff, Hey, just put the money towards social programs and all of this other

17:11stuff.

17:11Guarantee you, she won't guarantee you.

17:14She won't.

17:15So like, why push it?

17:18It's for power.

17:19It's power.

17:20They understand what this ultimately devolves down to power.

17:24They want people to give up power.

17:26So they're the ones with it.

17:28And when that's the case, it's going to be hard to reverse it.

17:32Once you've given up all of your power, once you've given up all of your guns, once you've

17:35given up the ability to fight back and they have all the power, there's virtually nothing

17:40you can do about it.

17:44They're the ones that feed you.

17:45You're going to bite the hand that feeds you.

17:47Good luck.

17:48Good luck.

17:50Guarantee you, guarantee you those, those trucks stopped coming back to the city.

17:54Those trucks of food stopped coming back to the city.

17:57Now what?

17:59What you, you, you, you're going to storm the buildings that they live in.

18:02They paid off the military.

18:04Good luck with that.

18:05You gave up all your guns.

18:07How are you going to fight against the military without guns?

18:11They paid off the police too.

18:14So all of these folks are on their side.

18:16So you think they're going to, you think they're going to turn their backs on them the way

18:20that they eat, the, the, the, the food that's put on a table, the roof that's put over their

18:24family's head to help you.

18:30And these people know that these people have watched that type of stuff happen.

18:35That's what it boils down to in the end.

18:40But anyway, I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, but, uh, I can sometimes figure things

18:47out.

18:49Y'all get in the comments.

18:51Let me know your thoughts and your opinions about all of this.

18:53Stay safe out there.

18:54Peace and love.

18:55I'm out.

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