00:00there's kind of a rivalry for darren's affections between gwayne and ormond how they both have
00:04different ideas of what darren should aspire to be and yes he means to put you on the throne
00:09apparently only as he can sit on it himself you know he would trust me forward and devour me from
00:15within until there's nothing left so tell him you won't do it then it will protect me then
00:21how does ormond see gwayne and his role in the whole family picture because it seems like
00:26maybe it's sort of a rivalry to ormond in a way you don't really get to see ormond in in
00:33ormond's
00:34true authentic self until you see him interacting with gwayne i think well actually both of them in
00:38a way i think that in a way gwayne is the one who brings out the most authentic versions of
00:44both of
00:44them you know he's he's darren's uncle there is a truth and authenticity to that conversation that
00:49relationship where where you see how disingenuous and how much of a sort of um performance darren is
00:55putting on with ormond but similarly with ormond their history is is you know freddie and the reason
01:01i laughed is because freddie and i are old friends and we had a lot of fun and it was
01:06really it was it
01:07was important as well as fun but it was also fun um imagining ormond and gwayne as kids and and
01:13what
01:13went on what went down and i think like a lot went down like i think that they were friends
01:19they were
01:19they were i don't know we nodded to sort of a very complicated history i don't know how to
01:25just we we nodded to it in a couple of moments and i think that like um yes there is
01:33a rivalry in in
01:34in the way ormond and gwayne are um sort of grab not grabbing but sort of um their relationship with
01:41darren um their respective relationships with darren but but equally gwayne's relationship with ormond
01:47is in itself a very complex rich place to delve so it allowed me a way into my history
01:54to imagine where where they interacted
01:56you
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