From club bangers to culture-defining bars, Ycee has cemented his place as a Nigerian hip-hop legend. After a significant pause, he returns with a deeply personal and evolving sound on his new album, "Out of Sight, Out of Mind."
Join us for an intimate conversation about the creative journey behind this highly anticipated project. We delve into the years in between, the evolution of his artistic expression, and what it truly took to bring this body of work to life.
Discover how Ycee navigates the demanding press circuit, his therapeutic relationship with self-expression, and the surprising realization that led to the "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" album.
Explore the delicate balance between rap purity and the melodic artistry that defines his latest offering. Ycee shares candid insights into his vocal training and how embracing singing has profoundly elevated his rapping prowess.
#YCee #OutOfSightOutOfMind #NigerianHipHop #NewMusic
Join us for an intimate conversation about the creative journey behind this highly anticipated project. We delve into the years in between, the evolution of his artistic expression, and what it truly took to bring this body of work to life.
Discover how Ycee navigates the demanding press circuit, his therapeutic relationship with self-expression, and the surprising realization that led to the "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" album.
Explore the delicate balance between rap purity and the melodic artistry that defines his latest offering. Ycee shares candid insights into his vocal training and how embracing singing has profoundly elevated his rapping prowess.
#YCee #OutOfSightOutOfMind #NigerianHipHop #NewMusic
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00:00Many people know him as D.O.M.A.L.A.G.
00:05Others call him Jagabang.
00:12Some people know him as Zaheer, but most people simply know him as YC.
00:18For the past decade, he's been one of the sharpest bands in Nigeria's hip-hop history
00:23and he's amassed a catalogue of clubby hits, evergreen tunes and some of culture's hardest bars.
00:31After a brief pause, he's returned now with a new album titled Out of Sight, Out of Mind.
00:37And today we're talking about the music, from the silence, the years in between and everything it took to get
00:44here.
00:45So let's get into it. Thank you for joining us today, YC.
00:48Thanks for having me, man. How's it going?
00:50Yeah, we're great. How's your day been so far?
00:52Bro, it really beats me. Sat in traffic for hours.
00:56For something that was supposed to be like a 10-15 minute journey.
01:00But, you know, yeah, I appreciate you guys for sticking around, man.
01:03It's been quite the day.
01:05Is this a part of celeb life, like, you know, tires you the most?
01:09What would you say?
01:10I think I answered that at the end of the interview.
01:12It's better to be happy to me, girls, but...
01:15Nah, like, I'm a yapper. For those that don't know, a lot of people might not know,
01:19but I like to talk, you know, it's one of, you know, it's like a, it's a form of, like,
01:25therapeutic release for me.
01:26I always like to, you know, express.
01:28Yeah.
01:28So either I'm recording or speaking, like, it's always been one thing that I've always been over to.
01:32So press, the press tour really has been, you know, it's been, it's been fun.
01:36And I've just been learning that there's certain things I need to, I need to keep some things on that
01:42rouse for myself.
01:42But yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun.
01:44At what point did you realize that, okay, yeah, I think I got another album?
01:50So I think the, I would say the recording process for this started as far back as 2022.
01:56And up until, let's say, February of this year, you know, and it wasn't up until last year that I
02:01was like, okay, this is actually an album.
02:03Because initially the plan was to have two EPs that were going to drop simultaneously on the same day.
02:09So one was going to be out of sight, one was going to be out of mind.
02:12But when I started weighing like what it would cost to actually push two separate projects, because we're like the,
02:19the, the listeners, you know, attention span nowadays is just very, it's crazy, you know, because you hear people saying
02:26like, oh, if I've, if within the first 10 seconds, this song has not caught my attention, you know, and
02:31it's like 10 seconds out of like at least three, two, two, three minutes.
02:34You know, so I think just weighing that, you know, the cost finances and a lot of other things.
02:41So I decided that, okay, I was just going to merge it into one album.
02:45So the only reason why it didn't come out last year was there was some songs that I needed to
02:49take off and then replace with some other songs.
02:52You know, there were some songs I even needed to re-record.
02:54There were some that I didn't even have any plans of releasing that I added to the project.
02:59And, you know, by, I think by like February of this year, everything had taken like solid shape.
03:04I was going to ask you whether at this point, after this year, a number of years, like, has the
03:10pop side, like, finally won you over?
03:12Do you prefer, do you prefer?
03:14So I wouldn't, I wouldn't say won me over, but like, I enjoy singing.
03:18I could tell, because on this project, you could hear it.
03:20Yeah, I enjoy, and the, the, the issue I have when a lot of people want to question me singing
03:26or rappers singing or, you know, it's a different case if a rapper is singing and it's bad.
03:32Yeah.
03:32You know, it's, it's a different case if a rapper is trying to sing and he's struggling or maybe, you
03:36know, there's, there's no sense of like ability behind the singing.
03:40But like, when you cannot hear me sing and be like, this guy's a rapper, I'm not enjoying this song
03:44because he's a rapper singing.
03:46Like, you're just denying yourself a great experience.
03:48Yeah.
03:49And I see a lot of people, you know, want to champion that argument all the time.
03:52But I think one thing that me learning how to sing even did for me is it elevated my rapping
03:58because the way I'm able to rap melodiously is because of my singing ability.
04:03Yeah.
04:03And there's even some of my singing side that I draw elements from my rap side to, you know, just
04:08give myself an edge over maybe like the next thing out there.
04:12So like, bro, to any of the rappers out there that feel like, oh, you can't sing or you want
04:16to be a hip hop artist, bap, bap, bap, boom, bap, all that stuff, bro.
04:20So you're not a purist, but you still like, your hip hop side.
04:23I mean, so next time I'm a purist too, but, you know, it's just, I mean, it's the climate of
04:28the music industry that I found myself in.
04:30Because at the end of the day, it was a thing where when I first got signed, like I never
04:35used to sing.
04:36I didn't have the, I couldn't, it's not even that I could even try because I would just sound terrible.
04:42So I had to have, like, I had a vocal trainer.
04:44I used to take like vocal lessons online, you know, vocal.
04:47Yeah, but I worked for it.
04:49You actually wanted to sound like that.
04:51Yeah.
04:51Because it's like, it didn't make any sense where a lot of the music I was making, we would be
04:56in the studio and I would only record verses.
04:58And I'll have to leave space for like, you know, somebody else to come take the chorus.
05:02So it was like, and it was, it was something that even if I didn't want to do it at
05:07first, it was something that I already knew in my mind that I was going to have to do.
05:12Because like, bro, like I looked at artists like Lil Wayne, Drake, you know, it wasn't really considered an issue
05:18because I think in their own industry, them singing is not born out of a necessity to fit in.
05:25Yeah.
05:25As opposed to here where it's like, bro, people tell you up front that I'm worth, you know, sing nothing
05:29for you.
05:30How did you deal with the pressure of having to, you know, keep in touch with your music side and
05:36also like take time out for yourself?
05:38Yeah.
05:39You know, it was time moving and you still wanted to record.
05:43You still wanted to like just take time out for yourself.
05:46Yeah.
05:46So how did you, how was that experience like?
05:48I think so.
05:49One thing about, you know, the last four years for me, as much as I was not releasing music, I
05:54was actively consuming or creating me.
05:57Like music is a large percentage of everything I do.
06:02Even when I'm sleeping, music is playing.
06:03You know, so like 90% of the day music is playing around me or maybe like the 10%, the
06:10other 10% is when there's no noise or silence because, you know, it's just music has gotten me through
06:17so much.
06:18You know, I used to be one of those guys when people would be like, oh, I see your music
06:21helped me through a difficult time.
06:23And I'll be thinking like, what's in Jagaband did I say that, you know, gave you that effect?
06:30But up until when I think like, so in 2020, I was diagnosed with a mental health condition.
06:35Yeah.
06:36And I was in London at the time during like peak lockdown.
06:39And, you know, I was in and out of hospital, give or take like three months.
06:43And it was, there were two songs or three songs actually that I had on rotation that, you know, pretty
06:50much lifted my spirit through everything I was going through.
06:53You know, Omale's Bad Influence, DRB, Las Giddy featuring Thames Trouble, and Slim's featuring Myself and There Will Be Life.
07:02And, you know, those three, life was, life is pretty much an introspective record, you know, so that was a
07:07given, you know, I understand why I felt the way I felt about that song.
07:11But Bad Influence, you have Omale singing about love, you know, and a bad relationship, DRB and Thames singing about
07:18Trouble, how they, you know, outland.
07:20It just, those two songs just always used to just lift my spirit.
07:24And I think like when I came back to Lagos, I was still like, I still had to deal with
07:28like a lot of like my mental health issues as well.
07:31Music was one thing that was like a constant.
07:34Wow.
07:34It was a solid constant.
07:35It was a support.
07:36Even when, yeah, even when anything else wasn't making sense, I always knew that at least if I press play
07:41on this song and I hear these lyrics and it's going to, you know.
07:45So I think that even pushed me away from consuming or creating music solely because of like maybe whatever sound
07:52is trending or, you know, you want to get like a hit record or a top 100 record or you
07:57want to, you know, play something for the clubs or any of that stuff.
08:01I'm leaning into like making music now.
08:03I make music now as a form of like therapeutic release.
08:06So it was like, if I'm feeling a way, it should reflect in my music.
08:11Studio straight.
08:12I've always been like that.
08:13Even my very first major breakup.
08:16Studio.
08:16EP.
08:17What song was it?
08:18Late Night Vibrations.
08:19The EP I did with Bella Alubo.
08:21Alubo.
08:21Oh, wow.
08:22So that whole EP, I was going through like a very terrible breakup.
08:25And shout out to that babe, dude.
08:27Funny thing is she's happily married now.
08:29Two kids.
08:30Ah, okay.
08:31Me, I'm sitting in the streets.
08:33I mean, I mean, you're Jagaband now.
08:35Ah, I'm a Jagaband.
08:36I'm a Jagaband.
08:37I won't go inside.
08:38I won't go outside again.
08:39We're working on it.
08:41We're working on it.
08:41There's someone else already.
08:43Hopefully.
08:43Hopefully.
08:44Okay.
08:45I want to go back to like when you were still like in school.
08:48Okay.
08:49So it was in song, Bowling Forever, where you made these other echolocation.
08:54I was like, this guy is always a married guy.
08:57Somebody, somebody, somebody caught it.
08:59Yeah.
09:00So I mean, I said, two questions though.
09:03So firstly, like, do you still find it like, apart from that song, like naturally in your
09:08process?
09:09Does this still come up?
09:10Like all the knowledge you gained from school?
09:12Does this still come up?
09:13Oh, definitely.
09:13Like even down to like stuff I learned to like primary school.
09:18Primary school.
09:19Yeah.
09:19Cause it's like, I think for me, one thing that I'm grateful to is in the household I grew
09:26up in, we had like a, a large, I want to say, I was like in libraries of sorts, but
09:33we had
09:33like a bookshelf that had a, so many different types of books.
09:38You know, there were novels.
09:39There was because my granddad was in the military.
09:41There was books about, you know, Nigerian history.
09:43So now looking back, I wish I read those books, but you know, but books about Nigerian history,
09:48just books about like general knowledge.
09:50So there were these set of four books that I used to read and it was called The Way Things
09:54Work.
09:55Okay.
09:55And that was where like, I just used to learn like, oh, how certain things work, how, it's
10:01funny that we speak about echolocation, how bats are able to see in the dark, you know,
10:05that kind of thing.
10:06So a lot of that knowledge, you know, during my formative years, I just read passively,
10:11stuck with me, you know.
10:13This is a habit, reading.
10:15I can't read anymore, man.
10:16I don't, I don't know whether it's ADHD, I'll call it or whatever, but like I've, I've,
10:21I consume media differently now.
10:23So I tend to like, you know, watch interviews, you know, watch like podcasts and stuff that,
10:29you know, would just, cause that's the way I'm able to, I think right now I'm like a
10:33visual learner.
10:34Yeah.
10:34As opposed to like back then where it's like, you know, you have to read your books and all
10:37that stuff.
10:37Cause, but it got to a point where I couldn't even read in school and I was like SS2, I
10:41was like, yeah, bro, like I'm, I'm done with this.
10:43So I just, you know, had to like look for like alternative means to just assimilate knowledge
10:47and stuff.
10:48So it's like, at some point I even read like the whole dictionary.
10:52Like I just used to read the dictionary just to know what certain words are.
10:58And I think that's what even made, when I wanted to start rapping, it was much easier
11:01to, you know, take, pick boys up and put them together.
11:04So yeah, like a lot of like the, my knowledge in school.
11:08And that's what I even tell people all the time.
11:09Cause I remember when I used to come up in first, like a lot of kids would come up to
11:13me and be like, Oh, that they're in secondary school.
11:16They won't.
11:16I just said, at least finish secondary school first, you know, cause it's like, I didn't
11:21finish uni because I was trying to balance music and school at the point.
11:25And it wasn't really working because music is a very jealous profession.
11:30Entertainment in general is like, cause there were times where I think I remember the first
11:34time I went to South Africa, 2015, my friends in school were telling me they were seeing me
11:39on TV and, you know, I came back to school and, you know, just trying to like, get back
11:44into that system.
11:45Like people were disturbing me in school.
11:47I couldn't really focus and music was very demanding because it's like bookings were coming.
11:53I had to be here.
11:54I had to be there.
11:55So initially I deferred like my admission on thinking that, okay, you know, I would be
11:59able to come back and, you know, it's just been go, go, go ever since then.
12:03But I still have plans to still go back to, you know, uni to like maybe study something
12:07that's still marine.
12:08Nah, definitely not.
12:10Like something that's more inclined with, you know, what I'm passionate about right
12:13now.
12:13What did you always want to study though?
12:15Computer science.
12:16Oh.
12:16Yeah.
12:17Computer science.
12:18I always, from a very young age, I think from the first time one of my uncles got a
12:23laptop in the house, I've been crazy about computers.
12:27You know, it's just, it was sad that at the time I didn't get, like, I couldn't meet
12:31the cutoff to study computer science in uni.
12:33But now that they reduced cutoff in.
12:36Ah, they reduced it.
12:36Maybe not.
12:38If I wrote down now, maybe I would have, I would have gone to computer science.
12:42Speaking of evolution, I could tell that you, you have production credits on this project.
12:46So is it like a new side of YC or?
12:49No, so it's more engineering credits.
12:51So I record myself.
12:52I've been recording myself for, I think as far back as 20, 2018-ish, 2017, 2018.
13:00As far back as I remember, because, you know, I always used to have issues with getting beats.
13:09So, like, even before I got signed, like, my first mixtape was, like, me freestyling on
13:14beats that I downloaded off of the internet.
13:16Yeah.
13:17And I recorded that mixtape with virtual DJ with a headset microphone.
13:21So all those, you know, the kind of gamer headsets that we have now.
13:25Recording mixtape.
13:26Yeah, very DIY.
13:27I've always been that type of guy.
13:28You know, so, which is a very crazy thing when I see people in this day and age where
13:33how, you know, the technology has advanced and you still see people that are like,
13:39I'm struggling to make a song.
13:40I think there's this, there's some guy that has been buzzing recently.
13:43I just found out that a lot of his music he makes on his phone.
13:46Yeah.
13:47People make songs band lab these days.
13:49Exactly.
13:49So it was like, when I see artists, I say, I don't have a song.
13:53I'm having challenges making a song, but you have a smartphone, bro.
13:56Like, I was heavily influenced by Lil Wayne.
13:58I was consuming a lot of Lil Wayne to the point that I started sounding like Lil Wayne.
14:02You know, so one thing that I do is I try to listen to artists that I believe will elevate
14:10my own, like, experience as an artist because, you know, there's no reason why I should be
14:15listening to certain songs that the best thing about the song is the production.
14:20If I want to do that, then I would just look for the producer that made the song and lock
14:24in with them, you know?
14:25So it's like, I feel like a lot of times now, a lot of artists are, you know, not putting
14:32in as much effort when it comes to the quality of the music.
14:36You know, they just feel like they have like a set formula, like, oh, you know, just get
14:40nice production, shoot a nice video, have like some nice buzzwords in there that's going
14:45to, you know, a catchphrase or one or two that's going to have the internet go crazy,
14:50a viral moment.
14:51Yeah.
14:51Like, I say all the time, like, virality is being favored over artistry.
14:55And, you know, like, I get it.
14:57Like, bro, like, don't get me wrong.
14:59Like, you know, some people can come out.
15:01Even in recent times, a lot of people have been asking with certain conversations I find
15:05myself in that, what have I contributed to the intellectual growth of, you know, the
15:10country with my music?
15:12Okay.
15:12And I'm like, bro, like, don't ask me that question.
15:17But at the end of the day, like, you know, I listen to like a lot of artists that I
15:21like
15:21will push me to be like, yo, like, this is crazy.
15:25Like, if somebody that is younger than myself is doing something as crazy than this, then
15:30me with all my experience and all my, you know, travel knowledge, I have no excuse.
15:35You know, so, I mean, definitely, like, I listen to, like, a lot of the new guys.
15:38Do you want to name drop anyone?
15:40Oh, Z-Level 10, Tenski.
15:42Yeah.
15:44Some relatively unknown guys.
15:46I listen to Tempo.
15:48He's based in Abuja.
15:50Okay.
15:51Psycho YP, obviously.
15:54And you and YP have been tied for.
15:56Yeah, no, me and YP.
15:57That's my guy.
15:58Fola as well.
15:59He's, like, on the Afrobeat side.
16:00I feel like when it comes to, like, the Afrobeat side of, you know, music in Nigeria,
16:04a lot of people are complaining that, you know, the newer guys are not really taking
16:08the mantle, you know, in that regard.
16:11But I just feel like it's because a lot of people are expecting too much from a lot,
16:18like, some people that are, like, only relevant on the mainstream side.
16:23Yeah.
16:23You know, because it's like, you know, if you consume music solely for, like, musical
16:28ability and how good an artist is, then, you know, you won't be having conversations
16:32and saying, oh, music now is worse than music that was from 2016 or 2012.
16:37Like, you know, a lot of listeners are not doing their due diligence.
16:40By, like, soaking themselves in music.
16:42Exactly.
16:42Like, you guys are not exploring the sounds.
16:44You guys are not going outside of your bubbles.
16:46And you have nobody but yourself to blame for that.
16:48Yeah.
16:49People are, like, it's playlists this day.
16:51It's really just top ten.
16:51I swear, like, it's more like, well, that's how you feel going to that one.
16:56We'll be here for a very long time.
16:58Okay.
16:59I mean, but I was going to ask you about the comments that you made, you know,
17:04regarding this same intellectual decline and all of that.
17:07It's intellectual bankruptcy.
17:09It's intellectual bankruptcy.
17:10I know to use the other phrase.
17:12Yeah.
17:12It's intellectual bankruptcy.
17:13Yeah, like, is it something that you just came to a realization now?
17:20No, not really.
17:21I think it's, okay, maybe recently, like, the name for it, you know,
17:25because, like, the whole Olodo Uprising frenzy, like, you know,
17:28I didn't coin the phrase.
17:29It's something that has been, like, I've come across on social media as recent,
17:33as, you know, far back as sometime in last year, 2025.
17:38But I think Mr. Dele Faro to me came out to say that, you know,
17:42what I'm calling Olodo Uprising was what he was also speaking about during the
17:46time of Abacha, which was weaponized ignorance, you know.
17:50And I feel like that even, you know, explains what it was that I was trying
17:54to say better because I feel like a lot of people miss my point and were trying
17:59to make it seem like, oh, I was being classist and elitist because I have some
18:04level of, you know, education.
18:07Mind you, I just have my school sat, so I don't have a uni degree.
18:10But, you know, I wasn't speaking, like, when I was talking about intellectualism
18:14or intelligence or any other stuff, I wasn't basing it solely on maybe, like,
18:18you know, your educational background or any other thing because I know some
18:22people that have, like, PhDs and MSCs and all these things and, bro,
18:27lacking in emotional intelligence, you know, lacking on other areas of intelligence.
18:32Exactly, you know, because I thought, bro, like, Nigeria right now, there's just
18:37something wrong with, like, our moral fabric as a society, as a country in general.
18:42When we were in primary school, we used to teach moral instruction, social studies,
18:45like, as much as you were, you know, being, like, like, progressing academically,
18:51like, with your, you know, your grades and your maths and English and all that
18:55stuff, you know, you were also being, like, your character was also being taught.
19:02But nowadays, it's like, I hate what the pursuit of money has done to us as a society
19:08because, bro, there are countries that are, like, worse off, like, worse on countries
19:13that don't behave as badly as some Nigerians behave.
19:16Yeah.
19:17And it's like, everybody's excuses, you know, I mean, as long as you make money,
19:21you know, as long as they're making money, oh, the government is not doing this,
19:24there are no jobs, you know, we need to make money, money, money, money, money,
19:28money, money, money, money, bro, like, I don't know, maybe I can, I, some people
19:32might say I'm speaking from a place of privilege because, you know, to a certain
19:35extent, you know, money is not really my major concern.
19:39I like money, you know, don't get me wrong, like, you know, money is not something
19:43that, that I let, you know, affect my, yeah, money can't control me, like, in no way
19:50because if money controls me, I would have done a lot of questionable
19:54things, I wouldn't have had the dignity I have in myself today, you know, so I hate
19:58what that has done for the average Nigerian because a lot of people are operating
20:02from a place of survival, you know, people are, like, struggling to get, like, the
20:07most basic amenities and that's why the leaders are comfortable enough to go into
20:12society and instead of doing the right thing, you're more comfortable giving them
20:16rice, sharing spaghetti, you know, wanting to empower 2,000 women with 50,000
20:22Naira each and say, you know, it's, bruh, it's just, it's, it's hard, mate.
20:26It's so sad, it's so sad because as Nigerians, like, we've shown what we can
20:32achieve if we are exposed to a functional society, you know, like, if you put the
20:37Nigerian in a system that works, just give him time, just, that's all you need and
20:42it's sad because, like, we the Nigerians in Nigeria, like, we should be a beacon of
20:46greatness to the African continent and we know that we have the chops, you know,
20:51and there's, there's this guy, I keep forgetting his name, I think Mr. Alex, I'll call him
20:55Mr. Alex, you know, he took the, he, he sets up this, um, Southeast Olympiad and they
21:00recently just took, like, three kids to Rome and two of the, two of the kids got, like,
21:04gold medals, I was raising news on him, so it's like, yeah, those are the kind of things
21:07that we should be, as, don't get me wrong, like, I have nothing against what anybody
21:11else is doing to survive but as much as you want to celebrate the Big Brother Niger winners
21:16So we should celebrate both
21:17Like, you know, let people see that because the conversation now is that, oh, you know,
21:22me with my degree, I don't have this
21:24Is this what you meant where you tweeted, I have to say, I've, uh, like, I've seen what
21:29made you cheer, what makes you cheer, yeah, your boos don't mean
21:32No, I think that was just because of, like, the whole, you know, the fans of the guy came
21:36after me and they had a lot to say about me and I'm like, bro, like, I've seen
21:40It wasn't generally, like, you were trying to attack him
21:42No, never, never that, never that, because it's like, bro, like, a lot of
21:46of these guys do not even exist in my world view, it's just sadly that because of the
21:51algorithm and, you know, being on social media, like, if you're online, I'm chronically
21:55online, if you're online long enough, you will come across brain rot content and, bro,
22:00so I consume brain rot content every now and then because life is all about balance
22:03Yeah
22:04But, like, when the soul channel of, you know, entertainment in our country is brain rot, then
22:11there's a problem
22:11What do you do these days when you're not making music or what's life like for you now?
22:16When I'm not making music, doom scrolling the internet, playing video games, watching
22:21anime, watching movies, doom scrolling through YouTube, just, there's this guy that I just
22:27discovered, he just, you know, talks about, you know, stuff that you can use to elevate
22:32your, your living room or your bedroom, you know, just stuff that you can just buy, maybe
22:37like a valet tray and just, just simple, simple things, but when you, by the end of the video,
22:42like, if you buy all these things, your house will be very artsy, very aesthetically pleasing,
22:46so that's the, that's, that's a lot of the content I consume now and I'm an extroverted
22:52introvert or is it ambivert?
22:54Ambivert, yeah
22:55As much as like, I like being indoors, but at the same time, I also like going out, you
22:59know, so I like being introverted outside.
23:01So outside is like where clubs?
23:03Nah, don't club, I like clubbing, it has lost appeal to me, the only time, the only
23:09times I'm in the club, I need to be, for me to be in the club, there has to be
23:12an added
23:13incentive, I must be clear to be there, because it's like, you know, the music, six hours of
23:19Amapiano, you know, it's, yeah, it used to be a thing where at least you would hear some
23:23dance, some Afro-B, some R&B, some, you know, variety, but now it's, I promise you, you can
23:29time it, six hours of Amapiano, bro.
23:31Interesting.
23:32I think lastly is, if you could change one thing about the industry today, what would
23:36that be?
23:38I think stand culture.
23:39Stand culture, yeah.
23:41Because I feel like it's, you know, it was born from a beautiful place, but what it is
23:47now is just, it's just very terrible, and it's just crazy to see, like, even with, like,
23:51the newer artists, like, you know, you have this fan, beefing that fan, and it's like,
23:56but, like, what are we even doing, you know?
23:58So, like, yeah, stand culture needs to, like, people just need to go back to just enjoying
24:02music from a place of it being a beautiful thing.
24:05Yeah, being lovers of music, I swear, you know.
24:08Yeah.
24:08And that's it, man, so I think, thank you for all your insight, thank you for sharing your
24:14moments.
24:15And, I mean, you literally blazed the rain to be here, so.
24:18Ah, appreciate it.
24:18We wish for the heavy rain in.
24:20Heavy rain in 2030.
24:222030.
24:22Yeah.
24:23I mean, that's a long time.
24:24That's a four-year countdown to an album.
24:25But there's more, there's going to be more in between that time, you know.
24:29Okay, okay.
24:30It's going to get chilly before heavy rain.
24:32I mean, you heard it here first.
24:33Again.
24:34All right, and that was it with YC, the Omar Alaji, the Jagabon himself.
24:38I mean, it's all about out of sight and out of mind.
24:41If you've not heard the album, go stream it, download it, listen to it, share it.
24:46And for now, keep rocking with Guardian Music.
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