00:02I'm going to be very interested to see what the pivot is.
00:05We keep hearing in the media that there's been a shift
00:08in the approach of the government.
00:10So far, the approach of the government has been more or less
00:13to just continue along business as usual,
00:16maybe slightly strengthen some regulators,
00:18slightly tweak some laws.
00:19But if, as the report suggests,
00:22there's going to be a kind of office for AI,
00:25there's going to be more coordination,
00:26there's going to be a more active and forward-looking approach,
00:29I think that will be good for Australia.
00:31And what practical difference do you see being achieved
00:34by having that office in the Prime Minister's department
00:37to make the AI policy there?
00:40Well, one of the challenges the federal government has had so far in AI
00:44has been the responsibility for different issues relating to AI
00:47has been spread across multiple different departments.
00:50You know, at least five different ministers
00:51having different pieces of responsibility.
00:54And so if there's a more coordinated approach,
00:57and importantly, a coordinated approach from the office
01:00of the Prime Minister, which has more force within the government
01:03as a whole, I think that could be really strong.
01:05Now, on data centres, there are pros and cons for Australia,
01:10for big tech wanting to have them here.
01:13How much leverage does the government have here
01:15when dealing with these tech giants?
01:18Actually, Australia does have a lot of leverage,
01:21I mean, significant elements.
01:24So we have a whole lot of different strengths in AI.
01:26We have great researchers, we have a stable democracy,
01:30we have access to renewable energy.
01:36So there's a whole lot of different ways
01:38in which we could be asserting Australian interests
01:43when we talk about the building of data centres.
01:45Now, big tech, they do have concerns about our copyright laws.
01:51As we heard just a moment ago, we're not expecting much
01:53from the speech today on copyright laws.
01:56But if they're based here, the data centres,
01:59they will be subject to our laws.
02:00Where do you see the government going on this?
02:02Where do you think they should go on this?
02:06Really interesting and complicated question.
02:10I mean, the first point to note is that actually a lot
02:13of our activity is already subject to Australian copyright law.
02:17But in terms of where things should go,
02:20the important point to pay attention to, I think,
02:22is how creators and individual creators feature in this
02:25because it's individual creators who are most harmed
02:28by the development of AI and the competition they get
02:32from AI systems.
02:33And so, you know, it's not just about copyright ownership.
02:35It's about how do we ensure that creators benefit
02:39and that creators have a say in how their material is used.
02:42Finally, I mean, AI is here.
02:45We're getting this big speech from the Prime Minister today.
02:47Where does this leave the average Australian?
02:49How do they feel about this transition?
02:51And really, with the effects that we're seeing now,
02:54how does this compare to what's to come?
02:56Look, I think, I mean, people all around the world
02:59and certainly people in Australia have a lot of concerns
03:02about where the technology is going, the concentration of power,
03:05the concentration of resources, where this is and the impacts
03:10this is going to have on things like jobs into the future,
03:13on how we work into the future, on how we live into the future,
03:16on our media environment.
03:19Look, I think those impacts are going to grow.
03:23The technology is becoming more powerful.
03:25Even when it becomes more widespread,
03:27we're going to see a range of different impacts.
03:30I can only hope that with a more active and engaged approach,
03:33the government can be addressing those as they come
03:36and particularly thinking about the kinds of laws,
03:40regulations and standards we're going to need in Australia
03:42to make sure that everyone who is using or developing AI
03:46is using it in a way that Australians actually benefit.
03:48We're going to need this.
03:50There is a picture of our machine.
03:51We are going to need this under spirits in nom выглядers.
03:52There are species more people in our players can see
03:52all these parameters that we Seems noise.
03:52So, for such a background, I think you can be able to
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