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Urplötzlich, von einem Tag auf den anderen, bricht der Kriegsschrecken erneut mit aller Macht über Elfriede herein.
Sie war im Zweiten Weltkrieg noch ein Kind.
Ihre traumatischen Erfahrungen verdrängt sie Jahrzehnte lang.
Als Mutter und Ehefrau muss sie funktionieren, ohne Platz für Vergangenheitsbewältigung.
Elfriede ist eines von vielen Kriegskindern, bei denen Traumata im Alter wieder aufbrechen.
Man nennt sie Trigger – Alltagserfahrungen, die schreckliche Bilder und Gefühle auslösen:
Gerüche, Töne, Berührungen oder auch Lebensveränderungen reichen aus.
Angehörige und Pfleger in Seniorenheimen stehen diesen Retraumatisierungen oft hilflos gegenüber. (2013)
Sie war im Zweiten Weltkrieg noch ein Kind.
Ihre traumatischen Erfahrungen verdrängt sie Jahrzehnte lang.
Als Mutter und Ehefrau muss sie funktionieren, ohne Platz für Vergangenheitsbewältigung.
Elfriede ist eines von vielen Kriegskindern, bei denen Traumata im Alter wieder aufbrechen.
Man nennt sie Trigger – Alltagserfahrungen, die schreckliche Bilder und Gefühle auslösen:
Gerüche, Töne, Berührungen oder auch Lebensveränderungen reichen aus.
Angehörige und Pfleger in Seniorenheimen stehen diesen Retraumatisierungen oft hilflos gegenüber. (2013)
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00:14Elfriede Ewering has only one camera in her room. When she's home alone, without her husband, fear sets in.
00:26No, it isn't. There's another unfamiliar car parked there.
00:48Only now, almost 70 years after the end of the war, are many elderly people remembering the horrors of war.
00:56And even the children of war children suffer.
01:16Gerd Ewering has been married to Elfriede for 55 years.
01:21The last few years have been difficult, as the long shadow of war dominates their lives.
01:27When she was younger, she had virtually no fears. That was perfectly normal for her.
01:34And this has gotten worse day by day, month by month.
01:39And I suspect it's also a sign of age.
01:42She is getting older and can no longer cope quite as well as a young woman could back then.
01:48has.
01:51There's another noise.
01:58Why haven't you come yet?
02:01Goodness, no.
02:03That's terrible.
02:10Is it the case that you sometimes simply lose your patience?
02:13Yes, that's the worst part, where I have to work.
02:17It's really awful to be fair, to be tolerant, to say, well, you have to accept that.
02:29This is an illness she has, and this illness manifests itself in this way, and there is no other way.
02:55That would be too much of a burden for me, if I were like, God, what's the big deal now?
02:58Now she is scared, now she is at home.
03:01Ultimately, when I go shopping, I have to think of everything so I don't forget anything, so I can get what I need.
03:09Go to the pharmacy, and so on, and so on.
03:11There's simply no other way.
03:13You have to turn it off, and when I'm home, I'm glad to be back with myself.
03:33Darling, dinner is waiting and your...
03:35Hello, I'm back.
03:38Finally.
03:39I'm back.
03:40Hello, my darling, I've already eaten out of sheer desperation.
03:44Say, I'll put the things in the refrigerator right away.
03:49Yes, that's fine.
03:50Okay, see you soon, my love.
03:57Elfriede Ewering was twelve years old, her sister only a few months old, when they moved with their parents from Elbing to what is now
04:04Poland is being expelled.
04:06They endure horrific experiences; the mother is critically injured and unable to care for the children.
04:16Twelve-year-old Elfriede is alone, helpless, and plagued by panic attacks.
04:21Throughout her entire youth.
04:24It was continuous.
04:26Constantly feeling different things and being afraid.
04:29And then at some point, when I met my husband, it stopped.
04:33Then I guess I've actually had a good life.
04:36And then all of a sudden, oh my God, it started up again, sort of.
04:41Yes, and I've always actually repressed it.
04:44Always repressed, always repressed.
04:46When my husband wasn't there, I went through it.
04:49Out of fear, and then always repressed.
04:52And that actually went quite well.
04:55And I was quite satisfied because I knew he would come back.
04:59Because I knew and felt that he loved me.
05:02That it is reality.
05:03And no magic, but reality.
05:07Yes, and so I kept suppressing it.
05:10And then at some point it really came up again.
05:22Gerhard Schulz also repressed his wartime experiences for decades.
05:27He was ten years old when he had to flee East Prussia with his mother.
05:31The father is missing, his fate remains unknown to this day.
05:36Mr. Schulz never wants to think about any of that again.
05:39But one day the memory comes back with full force.
05:43It was on the occasion of a funeral.
05:48And then my two daughters arrived and hugged us.
05:54And said, oh how good, Dad, that we still have you.
05:59And the next day I really had, as I was later told,
06:06I've developed depressive anxiety.
06:12And then all those images immediately came to mind.
06:15That's when I first became aware of them all.
06:19The whole.
06:22This image of the rubble landscape in Berlin,
06:27like a caterpillar pushing debris aside
06:32and there he tore out the body parts and the arm.
06:39Suddenly, the images of war are back.
06:42It was as if it were yesterday.
06:44They trigger such severe delusions and panic attacks in Mr. Schulz,
06:49that he has to go to a clinic for seven weeks.
06:56Mr. Schulz's children, Frank and the twins Sabine and Anke,
07:00They sensed long before this crisis that something was wrong with their father.
07:05He constantly suffers from heart palpitations and circulatory problems.
07:08for which no doctor can find a cause.
07:19That the triggers of the father's physical complaints
07:22his war experiences as a child could be,
07:26Nobody in the family thinks about that.
07:28The topic of war is taboo in general.
07:31The fear was too great that the father might be broken by the memories.
07:37I mean, that always at certain precarious family gatherings,
07:44like Christmas or a big birthday or something like that,
07:47that was because there was a little bit of leisure time available,
07:52My father has occasionally told me about it.
07:54But then it always became so formulaic.
07:57And there were just certain elements.
08:00It was like a story, like a fairy tale.
08:02which is something that is said again and again.
08:04But that's exactly why we also felt
08:07that there is nothing to be done about it or to ask any questions about it.
08:10I was always afraid of asking the wrong questions.
08:13or to question anything,
08:16which might hurt him a lot at that moment.
08:19So this was a subconscious burden,
08:26which we could not grasp.
08:27You could already feel it.
08:30And in the past, we would rather just leave.
08:34because we didn't even know where to start.
08:36And then it was usually aggression or tension.
08:41That was just...
08:43Incalculable.
08:44Yes, incalculable, exactly.
08:46So we preferred to be on high alert.
08:57His wife Hildegard also spares her husband.
09:00Always with the feeling that something mysterious is troubling him.
09:05It's not that he was a bad dad.
09:07He was the most loving person there is.
09:09But he had his phases.
09:10Yes.
09:12While we were young and married, I worked.
09:17First I learned my trade, then I worked in that trade.
09:20He also played music on Sundays as a side job.
09:24And that meant, "Just say, Dad, I need to sleep."
09:26He has to go back to the tea dance.
09:29Sunday afternoons, for example.
09:33He couldn't allow himself any time for reflection, so to speak.
09:37He was, yes, always full of energy.
09:41Yes, but I never wanted to believe that.
09:44You could roughly say that for 50 years I thought,
09:48You are a perfectly healthy person, but you weren't at all.
09:51No, you didn't expect that.
09:53You always thought you were terminally ill.
09:55You have a sensitive heart; I mustn't upset you.
09:59That was it.
09:59Yes, but not so sick that I really need such things,
10:05In other words, he had depressive problems.
10:09I've never had that before.
10:10Quite the opposite.
10:12Yes, that's how it was.
10:19The Schulzens' children develop illnesses early on,
10:22for which the doctors have no explanation.
10:25Nobody thinks that the children's complaints
10:28might have something to do with the father's suffering.
10:32Which of your children do you feel has suffered the most?
10:37Yes, I think that was Sabine, right?
10:41Yes.
10:41Yes, Sabine suffered a lot, yes, she suffered a lot because of it.
10:46Although we all have such close, so many problems.
10:49Frank started doing this at a young age, around 25.
10:53Frank already knew that when he started school.
10:58He had trouble breathing whenever there was a change.
11:02So, he'd already recorded all of that, right?
11:08Yes.
11:10Yes, I felt the ground was shaky.
11:15I started when I was about 5 or 6 years old.
11:22to develop a kind of psychological asthma,
11:25which repeatedly resurfaced when faced with major challenges.
11:33Then later on, a certain form of melancholy sets in.
11:36I would have spoken to myself more often.
11:39When my symptoms began,
11:42I was in my early 30s then,
11:46I had fears
11:48So, ideas, premonitions,
11:52which I experienced at some point,
11:53that they didn't belong to me at all.
11:56I simply had anxiety attacks, panic attacks,
11:58which had no real reason.
12:01I was just imagining things.
12:05That was during the Gulf War back then.
12:08It was said in the news,
12:10Everything turns black, and soot and darkness arrive here.
12:15And I had real delusions.
12:19It was only decades after the end of the war that scientists discovered
12:23that the cause of mental illness in children
12:26These could be the unprocessed war experiences of their parents.
12:31The trauma of the two world wars is inherited.
12:33and has shaped German families for decades.
12:36In the Schulz household, the father's collapse brings
12:39the family finally to
12:41to confront together the horrors of the wartime past.
12:48Approximately one third of today's pensioners
12:50was severely traumatized during the war.
12:53Tom Riz Grisar is a psychotherapist.
12:56She helps the aging war children.
12:59and their relatives.
13:01For many, the terrible memories
13:03I was only just woken up again.
13:05Often due to a significant life change,
13:08like moving into a retirement home.
13:11Tom Riz Grisar advises the nursing staff
13:13in dealing with the traumatized.
13:15What is your opinion on this?
13:17We had residents.
13:19He had very bad experiences during the war in Russia.
13:23After the war, he became a very statesmanlike figure.
13:26and danced a lot and was on the board.
13:30He said he always had to prove himself to be strong and good.
13:35I once had some very bad situations,
13:37where he really shook me.
13:39And I had no idea how to get out.
13:40I couldn't calm him down either.
13:43And what was really bad for me was,
13:46where he repeatedly said,
13:48if they knew what I had done,
13:50They would hate me.
13:52And he also tried to hurt himself.
13:56scratching and hitting her face.
13:58There were also residents,
14:00who naturally pull ten or twelve pairs of underpants on top of each other.
14:05You can't convince them or tell them that.
14:08Not today, for whatever reason.
14:11Even though it was hot, I can remember it.
14:14even in summer with a coat, with a hat
14:16and even under a cardigan in the dining room, for example.
14:21Either I'll stay in the dining hall or I won't go out.
14:24I once had a resident who was demented and bedridden.
14:29And during intimate washing, she always screamed,
14:33Not again, not again.
14:36And afterwards I also thought about it,
14:39I think she was raped during the war.
14:41This is typical of traumatization.
14:44that those affected then at that moment,
14:46when the memories resurface,
14:49to feel like they did back then.
14:51That they feel
14:52to be in that situation again, just like back then.
14:54And then they can't react any differently.
14:58Especially when traumatic memories
15:01resurface,
15:02Is it possible that the person affected
15:03then is truly in a state
15:05from which he himself can no longer get out so easily.
15:07Then it is important,
15:08to truly reorient him in the present.
15:12That they are trying to bring him back into the present,
15:16Maintaining eye contact
15:18possibly also to touch
15:20But that might also be dangerous.
15:22You have to be careful and pay attention.
15:24How can the person feel present again?
15:31Most of her life
15:32These war children were inconspicuous.
15:35Even if they had certain quirks.
15:37They always finished their plates.
15:40The cellars were stacked high with preserving jars.
15:43They couldn't throw anything away.
15:45They hated surprises
15:47and planned their daily lives down to the smallest detail.
15:50All stemming from unconscious fear,
15:53that something bad could happen again at any time.
15:56Love me too,
16:01My heart is fine.
16:07Go through it properly.
16:09Go through it properly.
16:11Today in old age,
16:12when they can no longer control everything,
16:15The horror resurfaces.
16:17The trigger can be a sound or a touch, but also a change in life circumstances.
16:2582-year-old Mrs. Gottschalk has moved into a retirement home.
16:30Here, the old, repressed images are reawakened, triggering nightmares and crying fits in her.
16:36Wasn't it a nice dream? No. Is that what you're trying to tell me?
16:39Yes, if that's what you want to hear. I've been thinking back to my youth, how the war began.
16:48And we were, how should I say, bombed and never came home again.
16:55We were simply driven down to the Rhine, onto a ship, then up north and from there
17:03Back on the train and then we were in Saxony.
17:06Ms. Gottschalk, did the move here awaken old memories?
17:10At first, I didn't really think about it that much. The thinking only really kicked in on the last day. That's when I realized...
17:18begun.
17:19I can remember exactly where I lived, how we had to run to the air raid shelter when there was an air raid alarm.
17:29And you didn't have these memories before?
17:31No. At least not the bad memories.
17:34I mean, the bad memories were of lying hunched over in bed, waiting for the air raid sirens, and...
17:41ran all the way to the cathedral.
17:43There was a regular air traffic controller there. Those are the bad memories.
17:46And the worst memories were that our street no longer existed; we never got home.
17:53Don't you believe anymore?
17:58Give.
18:04Back at the Ewerings' house.
18:06Tomris Grisard is making a house call.
18:08She wants to treat Ms. Ewering with EMDR, a trauma therapy method.
18:15The old lady is to relive her war experiences and re-evaluate them with her adult mind.
18:23Look again at your life story to the places where you feel that this still weighs heavily on you today.
18:34very strong.
18:35Is there a story that immediately comes to mind?
18:41Yes.
18:42The worst time was when the Russians came in and we were sitting in a circle in a room.
18:49and we behaved very calmly.
18:53And us, that we were all actually afraid, all of us.
18:58But I think we children most of all.
19:02Most of the young girls had hidden themselves.
19:06I was actually the only one, and I was dressed up as a boy.
19:12And then I would just glance over to see if they were sure it wasn't their face.
19:20looks out.
19:22There was a bed, and someone was lying underneath it.
19:27That's where I always looked.
19:29My goodness, you're covered.
19:32But what will become of that thing, his girlfriend, his school friend, who is lying there?
19:40Then I would start with the stimulation now.
19:43We've already tried that before.
19:45And that is, I'm going to do it here on the right, on the left, on the legs.
19:50Alternating tapping on her knees calms Ms. Ewering and makes it easier for her brain to access and process past experiences.
20:19My sister is patting my legs, my little sister.
20:29And it's covered in blood.
20:35He has a wound on his head.
20:38Just take it into your thoughts for a moment.
20:40This can't be true.
20:42Keep it in your thoughts.
20:45OK.
20:47It's all ok.
20:52Ms. Ewering, look at me.
20:58I hope I don't see a mother bleeding there.
21:04Her mother survived.
21:06Her sister survived.
21:07And you too.
21:09Just continue with your thoughts.
21:16Mrs. Ewering.
21:19Hide once.
21:21You are here in your beautiful dining room.
21:25Yes.
21:26With me.
21:28How does that feel now?
21:30It's bad because the Russians are everywhere.
21:33Where do you feel this fear?
21:36I feel it everywhere.
21:37Here.
21:37Here in the chest?
21:38Yes.
21:38And here?
21:39In the heart?
21:40In the heart.
21:41And in the stomach.
21:42In the stomach too.
21:43Yes, like this.
21:43Good.
21:45Just focus on your body's reactions.
21:49And we'll stick to that.
21:55OK.
21:57All old stuff.
22:00That was all a long time ago.
22:09So.
22:11Give me your hands.
22:13Mrs. Ewering.
22:15Come here.
22:16Come to me.
22:17Look at me.
22:20What now?
22:21I found my mother.
22:23And it's bleeding so much.
22:25On the head.
22:27And the blood, it always runs down.
22:29And there she lies.
22:33And is unconscious.
22:35And in the background, the door is opening again.
22:38And the Russians are coming in again.
22:41I need to save my mother quickly.
22:45What do you do next?
22:47Look closely.
22:53I lifted my mother up.
22:57And hugs her.
22:58And she lies in my arms.
23:00Mhm.
23:02And now I'm covered in blood too.
23:05It's running down my sweater.
23:09I'm also covered in blood.
23:13OK.
23:18It was a really difficult time, wasn't it?
23:22Yes, me too.
23:24They were just a child.
23:26And they have accomplished something truly great.
23:29They saved their mother.
23:30Do you remember?
23:31Yes.
23:32Mhm.
23:37And now, how do you feel now?
23:39Stay calm now.
23:40Now I feel very, very comfortable.
23:42But before that, I had really intense, throbbing pains.
23:48I was far away.
23:51I really felt like I was in Elbing, by the river, and that I lived everywhere.
23:58It was, I was at home there.
24:03And I even enjoyed it for the first few seconds.
24:08And then fear set in, right?
24:11Being alone now triggers great anxiety in her.
24:16And then she also experiences physical pain, heart pain.
24:19And back then, in that traumatic situation, she also had heart pain.
24:24So there is a connection.
24:27And that is the hope that, once she goes through it,
24:32this extreme fear that she displays today in relatively harmless situations,
24:36no longer has that strength.
24:41After three therapy sessions, Ms. Ewering is feeling better.
24:44Being alone is easier for her, and she can do things she hasn't dared to do for a long time.
24:50She has not yet been able to watch films from her early years of marriage.
24:54out of fear that the negative memories would be awakened along with the positive ones.
25:00So crazy, huh?
25:01And now, for the first time in a long time, I see that it has lasted so long, which is unlikely.
25:06It's unbelievable.
25:09Even.
25:16Now the shirt is wet.
25:18Yes, now the shirt is wet.
25:21And then I had to wash it again.
25:24I was always a little scared when I saw the pictures.
25:28But now I can see it without immediately experiencing heartache.
25:32Well, I do have a slight tremor, but it's very simple and I can easily tolerate it.
25:38Because I know I'm supposed to experience my homeland in a practical way, and that's exactly what I'm doing.
25:46And, but I don't tremble as much anymore and I don't have those fears anymore either.
25:56I am ordinary.
26:01I must have been terrible.
26:13The Schulz family's journey into the past begins.
26:18Gerhard Schulz finally speaks openly with his children about his father's disappearance.
26:22and the difficult escape from East Prussia.
26:28Those two soldiers, those two East Frisians, are with your father.
26:33That's right, so they were pushed onto the truck along with your grandpa.
26:41And they said that the Russians who drove were only Rabotti.
26:50And we had been with the soldiers for a quarter of a year now, and I already knew a few things.
26:57And that's when we knew that Rabotti meant work.
27:00We figured they'd be back in the evening anyway.
27:05But Mr. Schulz's father remains missing.
27:08A few months later, the horror of expulsion from East Prussia begins for 10-year-old Gerhard.
27:14My mother says she dreamt of a whole basket full of cherries.
27:20And she says cherries don't bode well.
27:24And it's unbelievable, it really happened.
27:27Less than an hour later, this Polish officer arrived and told us, "In an hour you'll have the house."
27:35to leave.
27:38And then we had to walk all the way to Berlin.
27:44Yes, and my mother, I can tell you, she must have been very desperate.
27:53Because we were crossing a bridge over a canal, and Berlin has many canals.
28:02And then you say, oh boy, I think we'd better call it quits.
28:13I remember it so clearly, you can't even imagine.
28:22And how did you stop her?
28:23Yes, I screamed and cried.
28:29But as we've heard, this has happened thousands of times.
28:49The grief that arises with these memories frightens the family.
28:55Together they turn to Professor Hartmut Radebold.
28:59He is a psychiatrist and an expert on war trauma.
29:03We're talking about the fears that are gradually creeping in.
29:08What would you say about your own fears?
29:13Since then, I can no longer be alone at all.
29:18And it's erupting so intensely that sometimes I think, where is my wife, actually?
29:28And then I always have to go behind first.
29:31Yes, of course, it's right there.
29:33But then I'm satisfied again.
29:37So it wasn't just my father who suffered, but also my mother, who was under the weight of the problems.
29:43my father suffered.
29:45Just as my sisters and I suffered because my mother suffered because my father suffered, and so on.
29:51and so on.
29:51So this is a shared story of suffering for the family.
29:55Yes.
29:57What does it do to the children of war children when they sense their parents' fears?
30:04Based on the research, which is still not very sufficient in recent years, the children of war children say the following.
30:11You have raised us according to standards we do not understand.
30:15Why do we have to save everything? Why do we have to eat everything?
30:17You have provided us with an outwardly safe world, toys, pocket money, rooms, travel, opportunities to develop ourselves.
30:29All that which you apparently lacked.
30:32You showed no closeness.
30:35This includes embracing, embracing, responding to each other's needs, or offering intense comfort.
30:41This was significantly more difficult for these children of war.
30:44That's how I would do it.
30:47Crisp.
30:48Can you relate to that?
30:50Can you relate to that from your own biography?
30:55Yes very.
30:56I'm one of those typical war children, with all the trimmings.
30:59And as you can see from our conversation, it's also affecting me a little bit at the moment.
31:03I am one of the typical war children.
31:06And there is a situation that describes it very well.
31:10Our son, when I think he was six or seven, always went to our neighbors who lived below us.
31:16and ran riot there.
31:18And then one day the man came up to my wife and said, "Tell me, why is your son always throwing tantrums?"
31:23with us and me?
31:25Why can't your husband do that?
31:27And then I said, no, I don't know how to do that.
31:35And then, of course, I talked to my son about it later.
31:39And he said very clearly, I didn't miss anything, you were there in a different way.
31:43But the daughter said it wasn't like that.
31:47And that was a long, painful process with mutual accusations and everything.
31:58And then, finally, it was my comment that I was sorry.
32:05And since then, things have been good.
32:06It is a loving, close relationship between my wife and me.
32:10And we feel we have overcome a long, painful phase.
32:18And I stand by what I'm saying here.
32:26In the therapy sessions, it becomes clear that a crucial part of Gerhard Schulz's story of suffering is the disappearance of his father.
32:38I am grateful to my mother today for teaching us children to pray very early on.
32:44And so, basically, I had that for my whole life, until it was no longer possible.
32:49that my father will ever come back.
32:52I prayed every evening that he would come back.
32:55Or, she said, boy, if a shooting star falls, you must immediately wish that Dad would come back.
33:05For 60 years, Mr. Schulz has hoped for his father's return.
33:09His children are writing to the Saxon Memorials Foundation in Dresden,
33:14to find out what had happened to the grandfather.
33:17And actually receive the long-awaited answer.
33:28It was quite a shock when we received something like that from Dresden.
33:34Over eight pages of interrogation transcript, in Russian, partly handwritten.
33:45And there, for the first time in my life, I see my father's signature.
33:55And my first thought is, that's how you used to sign your name, and that's how I still sometimes sign my name today.
34:02There was no doubt anymore, it was him.
34:06Interrogation transcript of March 16, 1945
34:10Ask
34:11Their social status
34:14Answer
34:15My father was a blacksmith, I worked as a road worker.
34:24Ask
34:25They are not telling the truth.
34:28The workers were not exempt from military service.
34:32Answer
34:33All the young people were drafted, and for some reason they gave me, as a laborer, a reprieve.
34:46Were you a member of the Nazi Party (NSDAP), and if so, since when?
34:50Answer
34:51Yes
34:52I have been a member of the NSDAP since 1935 until now.
35:00Do you know
35:04It was a message I couldn't understand at all.
35:09He was executed simply because he was allegedly a member of the Nazi Party.
35:17And it also says there
35:18The sentence was carried out on April 3, 1945.
35:24The location of the shooting is not recorded.
35:28Place of burial
35:29One kilometer north of Quatschen
35:36He was rehabilitated on December 19, 1997.
35:42from the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office.
35:57The birthplace of Gerhard Schulz and the place of his father's execution
36:03Chatting in present-day Poland.
36:14The family travels here together. They want to say goodbye to their missing grandfather and their painful past.
36:23In the hope that chatting will also be a place of healing for the whole family.
36:29This is my birthplace. I was born in this house.
36:38So this is the family that was torn apart just four weeks before their silver wedding anniversary.
36:45This family lived there for that long.
36:55My dear father
37:03After 67 years, I have finally learned what happened to you.
37:10I was advised by my therapist to write a farewell letter even after 67 years.
37:31One kilometer north of Quatschen and then we walked through a sparse pine forest.
37:39And there, unbelievably, among hundreds of pine trees, stood a beech tree.
37:49There wasn't another deciduous tree for miles around.
37:54It must have been here.
37:58You do a few shovelfuls, then I'll continue.
38:11And then I made a copper box and put my handwritten letter in it with a picture of my family and
38:25which was then buried there.
38:56Dear Dad, after almost 70 years, your youngest son is standing here.
39:03And says goodbye with my family and says goodbye with my family, my dear wife and three children.
39:22We have a son and two daughters.
39:33We are all deeply moved and saddened, but at the same time grateful that we were able to experience it.
39:49Where your final resting place is.
39:54Rest in peace.
40:04Rest in peace.
40:19Rest in peace.
40:23Rest in peace.
40:26Rest in peace.
40:26Rest in peace.
40:40A few months later.
40:49That's very nice. Can I lay it out right now?
40:55Do you feel that this is, so to speak, a happy ending?
41:00Is this for the family?
41:03Yes, you could almost say that.
41:06What makes you say that?
41:13The fact that my father is doing better than before.
41:16Which of course then affects the whole family.
41:19And for you personally? What has changed?
41:23Yes, also because I feel more comfortable in a family setting than before.
41:32Before, there were times when I thought, "Now this and that is coming up, now we're going to..."
41:37Hagen.
41:38How is my father doing right now?
41:40That was always a question that hung in the air, and now one can assume with a relatively high degree of certainty that...
41:46that you are well.
41:48I have the feeling that we simply don't have any taboos about it anymore.
41:51There are no limits anymore.
41:53We can now talk to you about anything, and we can also expect you to be more stable and open.
42:02You simply listen differently.
42:04Would you prefer if the symptoms were gone?
42:09So, in that respect, it can happen sometimes; we have high blood pressure here, I've had it my whole life.
42:14but I have everything under control.
42:17So, all in all, I'm completely satisfied with how things turned out.
42:30Simply healthier.
42:31You can say that you're actually healthy.
42:36Yes.
42:38Let's say a little something more.
42:40Anyone who has so many illnesses must have incredible health.
42:44Yes.
42:49You're trying to fool us here.
42:54I should just go back into this hole.
42:56One thousand ticks to the left.
42:58Aha.
43:02Wonderful.
43:02Good.
43:02Good.
43:03Good.
43:06Good.
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