Furono realmente minacciati di morte dal clan dei Casalesi Roberto Saviano e Rosaria Capacchione? I boss della camorra Francesco Bidognetti, detto 'Cicciotto e mezanotte' e Antonio Iovine, conosciuto come 'o'Ninno' sono imputati assieme al loro avvocato, Michele Santonastaso, di minacce aggravate contro il noto scrittore Roberto Saviano e la giornalista Rosaria Capacchione.
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00:00:00We are going to court, I am in Naples, for the sentence of the trial of Antonio Iovini,
00:00:10Francesco Bidognetti and his lawyers for the threats.
00:00:15A lot of anxiety.
00:00:19Let's hope so.
00:00:22Describing life under escort is very complicated.
00:00:26It's like your life is completely transformed, there are no walks,
00:00:32There is no normal life, whether it's being able to go on doing research on the street,
00:00:39interview, walk, be able to take a train, be able to go on the subway,
00:00:46being able to choose a restaurant without it first being correctly chosen by the device.
00:00:54I guess my free life can only exist abroad,
00:01:02in countries, as has already happened, which can therefore allow me to start a new life from scratch.
00:01:35I guess my free life can only exist abroad,
00:01:39and so I immediately understood that I was being held responsible for the outcome of some trials.
00:02:05I was worried, maybe it was one of the rare times I thought that maybe the time had come
00:02:13that were killing me.
00:02:14Good evening, we are in the Naples courthouse, presided over by Dr. Aldo Esposito.
00:02:20The trial sees Antonio Iovine, Francesco Bidognetti, sitting in the dock
00:02:27both bosses of the Casalesi clan and their historical lawyer Michele Sant'Anastaso.
00:02:33The prosecution claims that during the Spartacus appeal trial, the notorious trial against the entire Casalesi clan,
00:02:41the lawyer filed a request to transfer the case to another venue,
00:02:46within which he made threats against Roberto Saviano and Rosaria Capacchione,
00:02:54at the time a journalist for the Naples morning newspaper.
00:02:56But who are Iovine and Bidognetti?
00:02:59Two leaders of a criminal organization that until now has somehow controlled in an aspic manner,
00:03:10in a violent manner, in a widespread manner throughout the province of Caserta and so on.
00:03:17The Casalesi clan was founded in the 1970s in the province of Caserta, in Casal di Principe.
00:03:23At the beginning the leader was Antonio Bardellino, who won the war with Cutolo,
00:03:28war that left more than 200 dead on the ground in just one year.
00:03:34Bardellino and his clan build an ever-expanding economic empire.
00:03:39But the big turning point came in the 80s, with the Irpinia earthquake.
00:03:43and the rain of public money destined for reconstruction.
00:03:50The large influx of money puts Bardellino's supremacy into crisis,
00:03:54who is killed by his right-hand man, Mario Iovine,
00:03:58and is replaced by Francesco Schiavone, known as Sandokan,
00:04:02and Francesco Bidognetti, who became the two undisputed leaders of the Casalesi clan.
00:04:09Francesco Bidognetti, known as Cicciotte Mezzanotte for his past activity as a protector of prostitutes,
00:04:15He has been in prison since 1993.
00:04:20Listen, were you part of the Casalesi clan?
00:04:25No, the rulings say yes, but I have never done it.
00:04:28Are you aware of the existence of this Casalesi clan?
00:04:33Certainly, the processes we have done, yes.
00:04:35Only from the court documents or do you know her for other reasons as well?
00:04:40The procedural paper.
00:04:43Okay, so he was never part of it?
00:04:47Also because in 40 years that I have played 40 years of football,
00:04:51then 20 months of freedom.
00:04:55I wouldn't want that, in the two years that I have been free,
00:04:59I have been part of giving associations.
00:05:02However, the rulings say yes, and we respect the rulings.
00:05:07Another Casalesi boss accused is Antonio Iovine, known as Oninno, the suckling,
00:05:13because Salì is at the top of the clan while still a boy.
00:05:16He is 53 years old, married, with three children,
00:05:19and was arrested in 2010 after 16 years on the run.
00:05:24He denies being a bloodthirsty boss and likes to call himself a businessman,
00:05:29and his role has always been to manage the interests of the clan.
00:05:33Listen, Iovine, were you part of the Casalesi clan?
00:05:40In what sense?
00:05:41He participated in this Camorra organization.
00:05:44I was accused, I was convicted, I was...
00:05:47No, I don't care what's written in the trials,
00:05:50because what is written in the trials could also be a miscarriage of justice.
00:05:54I want to know if you participated in this Camorra organization
00:05:58for what she experienced, not for what is written in the papers.
00:06:03So, if you want to know, what I experienced was not part of the Casalesi clan.
00:06:09Have you ever committed any crimes in your life?
00:06:11Has he committed extortion? Has he committed bloody crimes?
00:06:16Other crimes?
00:06:19Not that I remember.
00:06:21No.
00:06:23Listen, I...
00:06:24That you accuse me, yes.
00:06:25Well, sure.
00:06:26As we know, in addition to Bidognetti and Iovini,
00:06:29their lawyer is also a defendant in this trial,
00:06:32Michael Santanostaso,
00:06:34who has to answer for threats to Saviano and Capacchione.
00:06:38Please, dry.
00:06:45Greetings.
00:06:46Is she?
00:06:47Rosaria Capacchione.
00:06:48Born?
00:06:48Naples, February 16, 1960.
00:06:52I have been a professional journalist for 30 years, since 1983.
00:06:57I worked in some small newspapers before,
00:07:00then from 1985 to the morning of Naples.
00:07:03Mainly the Caserta editorial team,
00:07:05then I was in Naples for about two and a half years,
00:07:07then I returned to Caserta
00:07:09and since 2009 I have been back in Naples.
00:07:12In particular he followed the events
00:07:15which affected the Casalesi clan, we can say so.
00:07:18Rosaria Capacchione is known as a journalist of denunciation
00:07:23and his troubles with the Casalesi clan come from afar,
00:07:26since 1990,
00:07:29when, in an article,
00:07:31revealed who the traitor had been
00:07:34which had allowed the arrest of numerous bosses
00:07:37in the blitz called Santa Lucia.
00:07:41And from there it started, let's say,
00:07:43at least I had the feeling
00:07:44that something was wrong.
00:07:46For example there was a gentleman
00:07:47that I saw everywhere.
00:07:51I was in court,
00:07:52I found it on the first floor,
00:07:53the court of Santa Maria Capavetere,
00:07:55I went to the fourth floor of the prosecutor's office,
00:07:56I found him outside the door of the prosecutor's office,
00:07:58near the newspaper's editorial office.
00:08:00Maybe it was a coincidence,
00:08:02but this fact impressed me a little
00:08:05and then I started paying a little more attention
00:08:08to what was, let's say, my life.
00:08:11Rosaria Capacchione
00:08:14he was telling the facts,
00:08:16he told stories,
00:08:17sometimes he interviewed people,
00:08:20he was taking some of his information,
00:08:22he connected them
00:08:23with what was happening in a trial,
00:08:25in an investigation.
00:08:27In 98, in July 1998,
00:08:30this slave gets arrested
00:08:32after five years on the run,
00:08:34he was arrested in Casal di Principe.
00:08:36On that occasion
00:08:37some weapons were also confiscated from him.
00:08:40He was a defendant in the Spartacus trial
00:08:43which had just begun,
00:08:45but it is obviously done to him
00:08:47the separate process
00:08:48for the retention of weapons.
00:08:50This process is painstakingly done
00:08:52in the first instance,
00:08:53brings a condemnation,
00:08:54I don't remember well,
00:08:55It seems to me six years, seven years,
00:08:58but it stops on appeal.
00:09:00But the only precautionary title
00:09:02who had Schiavone at that time
00:09:04it was just that for weapons.
00:09:05They had arrived right there
00:09:06at the limit of the expiry of the terms
00:09:08and then I did a service
00:09:11remembering this fact
00:09:12that in two months
00:09:13terms would have expired for Schiavone
00:09:15that if the trial was not held
00:09:16for weapons
00:09:17there was a real risk
00:09:18that he be released from prison.
00:09:21This was something else
00:09:22which I then
00:09:24voices of
00:09:25you did you went further
00:09:27your job
00:09:27you shouldn't have written this
00:09:29why do you become a policeman.
00:09:31It was very annoying,
00:09:34very annoying.
00:09:37He turned on some headlights,
00:09:40he turned on some lights
00:09:42even before
00:09:43that the judicial authority
00:09:45if it could be done
00:09:47to deal with an issue.
00:10:03Aware of moral responsibility
00:10:05and legal
00:10:06which I assume with my deposition
00:10:07I promise to tell the whole truth
00:10:09and not to hide anything
00:10:11as far as I know.
00:10:13Is she?
00:10:14I am Roberto Saviano
00:10:15Born?
00:10:16In Naples on November 22, 1979.
00:10:18Okay, please,
00:10:19answer the questions
00:10:20of the public prosecutor.
00:10:22Tell the court
00:10:24a bit what is his
00:10:26professional activity.
00:10:28Yes,
00:10:29I graduated
00:10:30in philosophy in 2002
00:10:32and since 2002
00:10:34to 2006
00:10:36I'm starting to get busy
00:10:39of organized crime
00:10:41and not only that.
00:10:44the territory
00:10:45It's my laboratory.
00:10:48For years then
00:10:49let's say my goal
00:10:50is to explore the territory
00:10:51try to tell it
00:10:53and make some way out of it
00:10:55a work.
00:10:56I write Gomorrah
00:10:57and from the inconsumo
00:10:58then everything changes.
00:10:59So what era are we in?
00:11:002006.
00:11:02Gomorrah
00:11:02deals with
00:11:03of events
00:11:05of the Casalesi clan.
00:11:06Yes,
00:11:07and somehow
00:11:08I give a sort of reading
00:11:11to criminal power
00:11:13Casalese
00:11:13giving an interpretation
00:11:16entrepreneurial
00:11:17to the organization.
00:11:19My goal
00:11:21it was telling
00:11:22the power,
00:11:22the criminal bourgeoisie,
00:11:24entrepreneurial power.
00:11:25actually
00:11:26the strange thing
00:11:28of this book
00:11:28is that it is printed
00:11:29in 5,000 copies
00:11:30so the publisher
00:11:31he didn't have
00:11:32estimated
00:11:33any kind of visibility
00:11:34if not
00:11:35the typical visibility
00:11:36of a book
00:11:37of a debutant.
00:11:38At the time I was 26 years old.
00:11:41Then something happens,
00:11:42that is, word of mouth happens
00:11:43on the territory
00:11:47to such a point
00:11:48that I come
00:11:49already invited
00:11:50in a broadcast
00:11:51television
00:11:52why the book
00:11:53he arrives
00:11:54in a few months
00:11:58to 100,000 copies.
00:12:00Roberto Saviano,
00:12:01the young writer
00:12:02and author of Gomorrah,
00:12:03an editorial success
00:12:04for 5 months
00:12:05at the top of the charts,
00:12:06continue to receive
00:12:07threatening letters,
00:12:08phone calls, silent,
00:12:09intimidation,
00:12:10all because he had
00:12:11courage
00:12:11to tell
00:12:12the new crime
00:12:13organized.
00:12:14And from here
00:12:14he arrives
00:12:16the invitation
00:12:17in Casal di Principe
00:12:18at the inauguration
00:12:19of the school year
00:12:22precisely because
00:12:23it was unexpected
00:12:25that a book
00:12:25on these topics
00:12:26which are always
00:12:27states on the margins
00:12:27of sales,
00:12:28not of interests,
00:12:29criticism is always
00:12:30been very careful
00:12:30to all texts
00:12:31of this type,
00:12:33but the public
00:12:33it has never been
00:12:34so careful,
00:12:36this thing is striking
00:12:37and I'm invited
00:12:37in Casal di Principe.
00:12:38The Camorra
00:12:39it's a problem
00:12:39of our State,
00:12:40it's ours.
00:12:41We are doing great.
00:12:42We are doing great.
00:12:44it doesn't exist,
00:12:46it doesn't exist.
00:12:47It doesn't exist.
00:12:47It's an invention.
00:12:50I had an operation
00:12:52And
00:12:54this intervention
00:12:59it was an intervention
00:13:00that comes to me a little
00:13:02instinctively,
00:13:03on impulse.
00:13:08Do you want to name names?
00:13:09of Zagaria,
00:13:10by Schiavone
00:13:11and of Iovine
00:13:14telling the population
00:13:15from Casal di Principe
00:13:16not to be afraid
00:13:16to pronounce
00:13:17in that square
00:13:19these names.
00:13:21Because I knew
00:13:21that in my territory,
00:13:23it can be expanded
00:13:24even in certain areas
00:13:25of Naples,
00:13:26the names of the bosses
00:13:27they are not pronounced
00:13:28not because
00:13:28if you pronounce the name
00:13:29by Michele Zagaria
00:13:30who knows what is being done,
00:13:31it's a kind of respect.
00:13:33He says,
00:13:34that,
00:13:35that other one,
00:13:36the Ninno
00:13:37and it is pronounced
00:13:37in a low voice.
00:13:38instead I wanted to pronounce it
00:13:39aloud
00:13:40there in front of these guys
00:13:42and say
00:13:43these people
00:13:44I'm not from this earth
00:13:46why this land
00:13:46they plunder it,
00:13:48you have to chase them away.
00:13:49And I hadn't noticed,
00:13:50I didn't know him by the way,
00:13:51that there was
00:13:52I think Carmine Schiavone,
00:13:55son of Francesco Schiavone,
00:13:57called Sandokan,
00:13:59which is approaching
00:13:59more and more on stage,
00:14:02practically the entire square
00:14:03he stops looking at us,
00:14:06that we were at that moment
00:14:08we spoke into the microphones
00:14:09and look towards him,
00:14:10that was approaching
00:14:11to people
00:14:12who had applauded
00:14:15the intervention.
00:14:22So there was this little guy,
00:14:23In short,
00:14:24why Carmine Schiavone
00:14:25then he was a pretty good one
00:14:26small, yes,
00:14:27young.
00:14:34Then this day
00:14:36how did it end?
00:14:39It happened that
00:14:40around him
00:14:41a whole series arrived
00:14:42of characters,
00:14:43people who
00:14:44I didn't know,
00:14:46but that came to me
00:14:47reported
00:14:50as friends of Carmine Schiavone,
00:14:52friends of the father
00:14:52by Carmine Schiavone,
00:14:53and I had to go
00:14:55to take
00:14:57at Albanova station
00:14:57a train
00:14:58and take me
00:14:59in Naples.
00:15:00Instead
00:15:01the escort
00:15:02by Bertinotti
00:15:03he stopped me
00:15:03and he told me
00:15:04the boy
00:15:05it doesn't go away
00:15:06alone
00:15:07and they accompanied me
00:15:09at the headquarters
00:15:11with their car
00:15:12to the morning editorial office
00:15:13and receive
00:15:14the Siani prize.
00:15:21But in the care
00:15:23of the climate
00:15:23of that square
00:15:24in Casal di Principe
00:15:26Roberto Saviano
00:15:27come back
00:15:27the following year too.
00:15:30I'm going back to Casal di Principe
00:15:31with the president
00:15:32of the commission
00:15:32anti-mafia
00:15:33Francesco Forgione
00:15:35and I always come back
00:15:37for the inauguration
00:15:37of the school year.
00:15:39There is a lot of press,
00:15:41much more,
00:15:41much more
00:15:42and I remember
00:15:43this scene
00:15:44of the shops
00:15:45that they lowered
00:15:47the shutters,
00:15:49the windows closed
00:15:50so I perceived
00:15:51that the climate
00:15:52it wasn't
00:15:55benevolent
00:15:56at least for a part
00:15:57of the city
00:15:57that maybe
00:15:59I perceived myself
00:15:59as hostile.
00:16:00In any case
00:16:01there was
00:16:02after my surgery
00:16:04Nicholas Schiavone
00:16:05father of
00:16:07Francesco Schiavone Sandocan
00:16:10who confronted me
00:16:12from under the stage
00:16:14and it was also
00:16:15resumed
00:16:15from TV.
00:16:17What do you think?
00:16:17by Roberto Saviano?
00:16:19He's a clown.
00:16:20Is he a clown?
00:16:21He's a clown
00:16:21Why
00:16:21Saturday
00:16:22from 167
00:16:23we have to
00:16:24to slap
00:16:24all men
00:16:25and well in Casale
00:16:27can make books
00:16:27and can make billions
00:16:28of books
00:16:29let's talk
00:16:30himself
00:16:31Why
00:16:31the 167
00:16:33he has
00:16:34closed
00:16:35the cold one.
00:16:36Are you from Casale?
00:16:37Eh
00:16:38in Casale
00:16:39it's in men
00:16:40it's true that there is
00:16:41this Camorra here
00:16:41so let it be said
00:16:42in Italy
00:16:43there is no one
00:16:44who did not steal.
00:16:45What's her name?
00:16:46I
00:16:46My name is Nicola Schiavone
00:16:48Schiavone
00:16:49Schiavone's father
00:16:50Meaning what
00:16:51the nicknamed
00:16:52Sandocan
00:16:53No
00:16:54his name is Francesco Schiavone
00:16:55Francesco Schiavone
00:16:56my name is Nicola Schiavone
00:16:58but why today
00:16:59she here
00:16:59with
00:17:00I wanted to hear
00:17:01to this Roberto Saviano
00:17:03because I'm a bundle
00:17:04which is a load of rubbish
00:17:05said by
00:17:06Mr.
00:17:07Schiavone to Nicola
00:17:10and I remember
00:17:11the words he said
00:17:12era
00:17:12the usual things
00:17:14In short
00:17:14that I'm a buffoon
00:17:15the things I talk about
00:17:16everyone knows them
00:17:17That
00:17:19in Casale
00:17:20there were men
00:17:21not people like me
00:17:22and invites me
00:17:23to do well
00:17:24my work
00:17:25do your job well
00:17:26write things well
00:17:27that is to say
00:17:28you're a good reporter
00:17:29not the clown
00:17:30he tells me all the time
00:17:31this is a clown
00:17:33you're a clown
00:17:34you're a clown
00:17:36and introduces himself
00:17:37as a son
00:17:39as a father
00:17:40of men
00:17:40who are in jail
00:17:41he doesn't want that
00:17:42I remember this scene
00:17:43who doesn't want them to be called
00:17:44with the nickname
00:17:45and says
00:17:46I am the father
00:17:47by Francesco Schiavone
00:17:48Walter Schiavone
00:17:48but in reality
00:17:50life
00:17:51start to change me
00:17:53first of all
00:17:54on the climate level
00:17:55Meaning what
00:17:56things happen
00:17:57to which I
00:17:58at the start
00:17:59I don't give
00:17:59particular weight
00:18:01importance
00:18:02it was delivered
00:18:03a flyer
00:18:05in the box
00:18:06of letters
00:18:06of my mother
00:18:07then to Caserta
00:18:09where there was
00:18:10simply
00:18:10my photo
00:18:11with a gun
00:18:12at the time
00:18:13and signed
00:18:13convicted
00:18:15he perceived it
00:18:16like something like that
00:18:17then there was
00:18:18a second episode
00:18:19strange
00:18:20that I was on the bus
00:18:21and a person
00:18:22not in a threatening manner
00:18:24it brings me closer
00:18:25and he tells me
00:18:26but what did you do?
00:18:27in Casale
00:18:27but do you realize
00:18:29that so
00:18:29you condemned yourself
00:18:30you those things
00:18:31you had to write them
00:18:31you had to tell her far away
00:18:32but right in that square
00:18:33you shouldn't have told her
00:18:34Now you just have to run away
00:18:36and it is in this context
00:18:39which fits in
00:18:40this process
00:18:40because right during
00:18:42an odience
00:18:43of the Spartacus appeal
00:18:44Michael Sant'Anastaso
00:18:46one of the lawyers
00:18:48of that process
00:18:49law in the classroom
00:18:50a document
00:18:51in which he asks
00:18:52that the process
00:18:53be transferred
00:18:54in another location
00:18:55why the court
00:18:57of Santa Maria
00:18:58Capoavetere
00:18:58he was seriously ill
00:19:00conditioned
00:19:01from Brigidizi
00:19:02and indicates
00:19:03in Roberto Saviano
00:19:04and Rosaria Cappacchione
00:19:06the main responsible parties
00:19:08of this climate
00:19:09hostile to the defendants
00:19:11the Spartacus trial
00:19:12is going
00:19:13quickly
00:19:14towards the judgement
00:19:17we are at the verdict
00:19:20of appeal
00:19:24and something must be done
00:19:27the Casalesi clan
00:19:29it's now
00:19:30it's a clan
00:19:30of which we know
00:19:32Really
00:19:33what it is
00:19:35why Saviano
00:19:36Capacchione
00:19:37others
00:19:37and they told us about it
00:19:40Well
00:19:40and we know it
00:19:41a lot is known
00:19:44and yet
00:19:45if the life sentences arrive
00:19:46and become definitive
00:19:47the story is over
00:19:48and so something must be done
00:19:52so
00:19:53we come
00:19:54to the
00:19:55March 13th
00:19:562008
00:19:57and that is
00:19:58the date
00:19:59in which
00:19:59there is this hearing
00:20:01on the coasts of Assizes
00:20:02of appeal
00:20:03in which precisely
00:20:04is read
00:20:05proclaimed
00:20:06declaimed
00:20:08more than anything else
00:20:08this
00:20:09request for remission
00:20:11this document
00:20:12it is read in class
00:20:13from the lawyer
00:20:13Saint Nassaso
00:20:15Who
00:20:15let's say
00:20:16as we have seen
00:20:17and as I imagine
00:20:18she knows
00:20:18I think he read it
00:20:19contains
00:20:20specific references
00:20:22to his name
00:20:23let's say
00:20:23indicated as
00:20:24Rosaria Capacchione
00:20:25morning reporter
00:20:26etc.
00:20:27to this situation
00:20:29disarming
00:20:30for civil conscience
00:20:31they are added
00:20:32the usual journalists
00:20:33as said
00:20:33paid
00:20:34of the prosecution
00:20:35and among them
00:20:35refers to
00:20:36expressly
00:20:36to the one just mentioned
00:20:38morning reporter
00:20:39Rosaria Capacchione
00:20:40and to the known
00:20:41novelist
00:20:41Roberto Saviano
00:20:42that on the ashes
00:20:44of the camulla
00:20:44with the help
00:20:45of some magistrate
00:20:46in search
00:20:46of advertising
00:20:47they try to do
00:20:48better your own
00:20:49professional success
00:20:50that nothing
00:20:51has to do with
00:20:51with the sacrosanct
00:20:52right to report
00:20:55she was present
00:20:57at that hearing
00:20:58no I wasn't there
00:20:59saw
00:21:00then he had
00:21:01communication
00:21:02as
00:21:02When
00:21:03and by whom
00:21:03of that
00:21:06what had happened
00:21:07let's say
00:21:07as it came about
00:21:08aware
00:21:09In short
00:21:10When
00:21:10in the immediate future
00:21:11In short
00:21:12I think
00:21:12during
00:21:14reading
00:21:16or immediately after
00:21:16why they called me
00:21:17first some colleagues
00:21:19to report me
00:21:20what had happened
00:21:21something
00:21:21that my name
00:21:22had been pulled
00:21:23at stake
00:21:23in the course
00:21:24of the process
00:21:24Spartacus
00:21:25then immediately after
00:21:27they called me
00:21:28some lawyers
00:21:29to tell me
00:21:29the same thing
00:21:30and we say
00:21:31what kind of phone calls
00:21:32they were
00:21:33Meaning what
00:21:33alarmed
00:21:34she had contacts
00:21:36with the lawyer
00:21:37Santonassaso
00:21:38with the lawyer
00:21:39Daniello
00:21:39in reason
00:21:39of his work
00:21:40No
00:21:41I
00:21:42I didn't have
00:21:43contacts
00:21:44with all the lawyers
00:21:46who were involved
00:21:47of the processes
00:21:48of the Camorra
00:21:48I knew well
00:21:49the lawyer
00:21:50Santonassaso
00:21:51Dr. Capocchione
00:21:52I had
00:21:53we were in the same
00:21:54I receive in Caserta
00:21:55I am trying to say
00:21:55Therefore
00:21:56knowledge of boys
00:21:58she was practically
00:21:59he was doing
00:21:59he was busy
00:22:01in the group
00:22:01of the FIGC
00:22:02I was a little while
00:22:03further left
00:22:03of the FIGC
00:22:04for which there was
00:22:05somehow
00:22:06a dialectic
00:22:07I am trying to say
00:22:07somehow
00:22:08burlesque
00:22:09between us
00:22:10I called him in the afternoon
00:22:11after reading
00:22:13the request is good
00:22:14I called him
00:22:14to ask him
00:22:15Why
00:22:16had done
00:22:17something like that
00:22:18knowing full well
00:22:19that was happening to me
00:22:20exposing
00:22:21a serious risk
00:22:23I had the feeling
00:22:24that or the same
00:22:25recording the phone call
00:22:26or that it wasn't
00:22:27only in the car
00:22:28it was rather abrupt
00:22:29let's say
00:22:30on the contrary
00:22:31than it had always been
00:22:32it was very abrupt
00:22:34I then from then on
00:22:34I haven't heard from him again
00:22:36it was very abrupt
00:22:37but
00:22:37as I would say
00:22:38the content
00:22:40let's say
00:22:40of the dialogue
00:22:41he remembers it
00:22:41what did you expect?
00:22:42after what you did
00:22:43that's what he said
00:22:44what was his reaction?
00:22:45it was one of the rare times
00:22:47where I got scared
00:22:48Why
00:22:49when I read
00:22:52This
00:22:53this text
00:22:54I understand
00:22:56immediately
00:22:57That
00:22:57was attributed
00:22:59to me
00:22:59the responsibility
00:23:00of the outcome
00:23:01of some processes
00:23:02and I am
00:23:03a little scared
00:23:04she felt threatened
00:23:06she felt worried
00:23:07for his life
00:23:08maybe it was
00:23:09one of the rare times
00:23:10in which I thought
00:23:10that maybe
00:23:11the time had come
00:23:13that were killing me
00:23:14but this instance
00:23:15of remittance
00:23:16continued
00:23:17supporting
00:23:18That
00:23:18when a journalist
00:23:20indicates
00:23:20as a Camorrista
00:23:22a defendant
00:23:23the defendant
00:23:24it comes from it
00:23:25branded
00:23:25like on fire
00:23:26and consequently
00:23:28it's almost impossible
00:23:29for a judge
00:23:31to acquit him
00:23:32and it is precisely
00:23:33for this reason
00:23:33that was wondering
00:23:34the move
00:23:35of the process
00:23:36in another court
00:23:38less conditioned
00:23:39from Saviano
00:23:40and Cappacchione
00:23:41which they already had
00:23:42determined
00:23:43of the sentences
00:23:44the defense
00:23:45also supports
00:23:46that the one indicated
00:23:47in the instance
00:23:48it was a constitution
00:23:49pure and simple
00:23:51of reality
00:23:51and he didn't want to
00:23:53in any way
00:23:53represent
00:23:54a threat
00:23:55in concrete terms
00:23:57can indicate
00:23:58to the court
00:23:59which ones are
00:23:59these sentences
00:24:02evincible
00:24:03from the instance
00:24:05of remission
00:24:05that they have
00:24:06determined
00:24:07this terrible one
00:24:08intimidation
00:24:10Lawyer
00:24:11At that time
00:24:11aside from the fact
00:24:12that I don't believe
00:24:13that be defined
00:24:14a reporter
00:24:15paid
00:24:15when it is given
00:24:16act
00:24:16of a fact
00:24:17judicial
00:24:18both in itself
00:24:19a fact
00:24:20acceptable
00:24:21oh well
00:24:22this would configure
00:24:24a defamation
00:24:25this would configure
00:24:27a defamation
00:24:28but there is the court
00:24:30That
00:24:30the discipline
00:24:32he manages it
00:24:33the president
00:24:34I wanted to clarify
00:24:35the question
00:24:36we have the time
00:24:36to answer
00:24:37but there is the president
00:24:39that is
00:24:39but let's do it
00:24:40finish
00:24:40the answer
00:24:42he didn't finish
00:24:43but I wanted
00:24:44clarify it
00:24:45I am referring to
00:24:45to the threat
00:24:46I was saying
00:24:47aside from the fact
00:24:48that be defined
00:24:48paid
00:24:49it's not very pleasant
00:24:51even if I know well
00:24:52to be
00:24:52a possible defamation
00:24:54write that
00:24:56it was my fault
00:24:58that I knew
00:24:59to make go away
00:25:00the inconvenient magistrates
00:25:01I considered it
00:25:02a threat
00:25:03serious
00:25:03because it meant
00:25:04say
00:25:05if you have been
00:25:06condemned
00:25:06you will not be acquitted
00:25:07through fault
00:25:08of this person here
00:25:09which is not exactly
00:25:10one thing
00:25:11pleasant
00:25:11we can say
00:25:11which is his deduction
00:25:12this?
00:25:13it's my deduction
00:25:14the defense insists
00:25:15and supports
00:25:16that the role
00:25:17of the journalist
00:25:18Capacchione
00:25:19it has never been
00:25:20independent
00:25:21but rather
00:25:22it has always been
00:25:23on the side
00:25:24of the prosecutors
00:25:24against the clan
00:25:26of the Casalesi
00:25:27but let's listen
00:25:29I have never had
00:25:30a good relationship
00:25:31with certain types
00:25:33of journalists
00:25:34or certain types
00:25:36of a certain type
00:25:36of journalism
00:25:37Here you are
00:25:38to do journalism
00:25:39this type of journalism
00:25:40she associates it
00:25:41at Capacchione
00:25:41what does it have to do with it?
00:25:43I said
00:25:44type of journalism
00:25:46in the sense that
00:25:47to anticipate
00:25:48the news
00:25:49when there is a secret
00:25:50preliminary investigation
00:25:50this lady
00:25:51not only
00:25:52writes with belleria
00:25:53but they were racing
00:25:54at
00:25:55I don't know who
00:25:56but she means to say
00:25:57that the journalist
00:25:58Capacchione
00:26:00used as a method
00:26:01to publish documents
00:26:02covered by secrecy
00:26:03can give examples
00:26:04tell me what these examples are
00:26:06because otherwise
00:26:07she continues to slander
00:26:09the honorability
00:26:10of a person
00:26:10she can defend herself
00:26:11even telling lies
00:26:12but he cannot commit
00:26:13crimes
00:26:14let's say defending ourselves
00:26:15I'm interested though
00:26:16that she is referring to
00:26:17right to the person
00:26:18one of the two people
00:26:19in office
00:26:20of this process
00:26:21and I would like to understand the facts
00:26:22to say
00:26:23a certain type of journalism
00:26:25January 15, 1990
00:26:27he accuses himself
00:26:28by De Falco
00:26:28of having had arrested
00:26:29the garbage cans
00:26:30the news is not true
00:26:31because it is denied
00:26:32documentary
00:26:34in 2003
00:26:35do you know if this news
00:26:37she was contained
00:26:37in a public procedural act
00:26:39let's talk about the journalist
00:26:39request
00:26:40request
00:26:40is able to know
00:26:42if this news
00:26:43it was contained
00:26:44at that moment
00:26:45in a public procedural act
00:26:46it is written in the sentence
00:26:47my question is another
00:26:48Look
00:26:49allow me
00:26:50Why
00:26:51but in his interest
00:26:52I'll tell him
00:26:53because this is a report
00:26:54At that time
00:26:55if someone says
00:26:57he states
00:26:57that a journalist
00:26:59a writer
00:27:00public
00:27:01a piece of news
00:27:02false
00:27:03must be able
00:27:04to say
00:27:05that that person
00:27:06don't have
00:27:07a documentary source
00:27:08from which that news
00:27:09the trade
00:27:10because then
00:27:10it could be too
00:27:11that in the sentence
00:27:12Russian Spartan
00:27:12there's something else written
00:27:14she interrupted me
00:27:15to the first example
00:27:16then tell me all the examples
00:27:18I'm telling her
00:27:19the documents
00:27:19I tell her
00:27:20what is documented
00:27:21that is what you
00:27:22you can check
00:27:23the last one is this fact
00:27:24of my interrogation
00:27:25the interrogation
00:27:26what I did
00:27:27May 11th
00:27:28of 2011
00:27:30to the prosecutor's office
00:27:31of the republic
00:27:32where the public
00:27:33ministry
00:27:34the gentleman
00:27:34he told me
00:27:35not to summarize
00:27:36why would they do it
00:27:36the box
00:27:37I said
00:27:38there is no problem
00:27:38the lawyers
00:27:39he said there is no problem
00:27:40the next day
00:27:41I find
00:27:42dot dot
00:27:42a process
00:27:43that still
00:27:43is under investigation
00:27:44all my interrogation
00:27:46in the newspaper
00:27:46always the same journalists
00:27:48which I then defined
00:27:49appreciated at the time
00:27:50I'm going to ask for a copy
00:27:52because I didn't remember
00:27:53what I said
00:27:53actually
00:27:54I found some differences
00:27:55because so practically
00:27:57in a cell
00:27:58I read the newspaper
00:27:59from the morning
00:27:59in the evening
00:28:00the public prosecutor
00:28:02he tells me that the box
00:28:03it was not recorded
00:28:04I have the certification here
00:28:06and so there is no
00:28:07the content
00:28:07of these interrogations
00:28:08so I asked myself
00:28:09the problem
00:28:09how is it possible
00:28:11that comes out in the newspaper
00:28:13such a fact
00:28:13it is also remembered here
00:28:15how he found out
00:28:16of this interrogation
00:28:19lawyer
00:28:20I have to repeat them
00:28:20ad nauseam
00:28:21but there
00:28:22she refers to
00:28:24in that article
00:28:24it is a procedural act
00:28:25very precise
00:28:29so?
00:28:30so you have to tell me
00:28:31ninth
00:28:32so
00:28:32Not
00:28:32At that time
00:28:33she refers to
00:28:34in that article
00:28:35to the interrogation
00:28:36of the lawyer
00:28:37the lawyer
00:28:37I got it in the mail
00:28:38in a yellow envelope
00:28:39I found it under the door
00:28:40of the editorial staff
00:28:41and that's its source?
00:28:43it was a yellow envelope
00:28:44under the door
00:28:45Yes
00:28:45Well
00:28:52then after
00:28:53I learned
00:28:53that there were elves
00:28:54who carry the envelopes
00:28:55under the doors
00:28:56I am trying to say
00:28:56but this
00:28:57it's the order of the day
00:29:00and in the same instance
00:29:02of recusal
00:29:03read by the lawyer
00:29:05Saint Anastasius
00:29:06March 13th
00:29:08of 2008
00:29:09during the roll call
00:29:10esparto
00:29:10what were we talking about?
00:29:11also by Roberto
00:29:13Saviano
00:29:13in these terms
00:29:15it would be a good idea to invite
00:29:16the good Saviano
00:29:17not to collect
00:29:18just news
00:29:19at the prosecutor's office
00:29:20or only at
00:29:21some public prosecutors
00:29:22and throw mud
00:29:23of a study
00:29:24legal practitioner
00:29:25that for years
00:29:25they dedicate their lives
00:29:26at the studio
00:29:27of this phenomenon
00:29:28and exult her
00:29:29to be more serious
00:29:30and to read
00:29:30the sentences
00:29:31of the various episodic
00:29:32dead
00:29:32listen
00:29:34let's get to this
00:29:35March 13th
00:29:362008
00:29:37let's come to a memory
00:29:38staff
00:29:39of that day
00:29:40Yes
00:29:41a memory
00:29:42strong
00:29:43because it was
00:29:44a day
00:29:44complicated
00:29:45in the sense that
00:29:47I received
00:29:49two phone calls
00:29:50one from Raffaele Cantone
00:29:52magistrate
00:29:53and the other
00:29:55I believe
00:29:56from the editorial staff
00:29:57of the Republic
00:29:58what they told me
00:30:00that there had been
00:30:01this instance
00:30:02and they described it to me
00:30:04how ugly
00:30:04a strange thing
00:30:06in case
00:30:09of the Republic
00:30:10he told me
00:30:10own
00:30:10but what's happening
00:30:13this is how I start
00:30:13inform
00:30:14and it is
00:30:15the weapon itself
00:30:16of the carabinieri
00:30:17which provides me
00:30:17the document
00:30:20and when I read it
00:30:25I feel
00:30:25which is something
00:30:26of epochal
00:30:27that I feel
00:30:28that is changing
00:30:28something
00:30:29that this thing
00:30:29it had never happened before
00:30:31Federico
00:30:32Cafiero
00:30:32De Rao
00:30:32is cited
00:30:33and considered
00:30:35the magistrate
00:30:36responsible
00:30:37of the process
00:30:37Spartacus
00:30:38it is
00:30:40and then
00:30:40it is indicated
00:30:41in my interpretation
00:30:42as the responsible
00:30:43judicial
00:30:43Raffaele Cantone
00:30:44that has nothing to do with it
00:30:45with Spartacus
00:30:46is perceived
00:30:48at that moment
00:30:49as a magistrate
00:30:50what he did
00:30:50anti-mafia for years
00:30:51on the front line
00:30:52but it's in the Supreme Court
00:30:53and then
00:30:54fear
00:30:55is to report
00:30:56then intimidate
00:30:57always according to
00:30:58my interpretation
00:30:59the figure
00:31:00of the judge
00:31:01which is in the Supreme Court
00:31:02the story to me
00:31:03he worried a lot
00:31:05I was accused
00:31:07let's say
00:31:08in that instance
00:31:09to be
00:31:10to be
00:31:11Like this
00:31:11in summary
00:31:13to be
00:31:14of having maneuvered
00:31:15the repentants
00:31:16and to have operated
00:31:17somehow
00:31:19involving
00:31:19the media
00:31:20and the press
00:31:21so it came
00:31:21indicated
00:31:22Rosaria Capacchione
00:31:23it was indicated
00:31:25Roberto Saviano
00:31:27why he came
00:31:28determined
00:31:29a
00:31:30let's say
00:31:32the outcome
00:31:33of the process
00:31:34Now
00:31:34it seemed to me
00:31:35strange
00:31:36a series
00:31:36of circumstances
00:31:37it was six months
00:31:38that I had been
00:31:38transferred
00:31:39to an office
00:31:40which among other things
00:31:40he didn't take care of it
00:31:41of investigations
00:31:41which was the maximum
00:31:42of the Court of Cassation
00:31:44of the process
00:31:45Spartacus
00:31:46I had never
00:31:46busy
00:31:48the interpretation
00:31:49that I gave
00:31:49of the act
00:31:50is that somehow
00:31:50if you wanted me
00:31:51indicate
00:31:51as possible
00:31:53responsible
00:31:53of those that
00:31:54they could have been
00:31:54the sentences
00:31:56and I have to say
00:31:57that the thing
00:31:57it worried me
00:31:58not a little
00:31:58let's say
00:31:59and it impressed me
00:32:00then when there was
00:32:01the process
00:32:01in Cassation
00:32:03the carabinieri
00:32:04from Caserta
00:32:05they did
00:32:06a note
00:32:06which they gave me
00:32:07news
00:32:08but let's say
00:32:08the contents of which
00:32:09in which
00:32:09they reported
00:32:10that in Casal di Principe
00:32:12there was a voice
00:32:14of the type
00:32:14there is no point in going to do it
00:32:15the hearing in the Supreme Court
00:32:17so much there
00:32:17everything is already closed
00:32:18after all
00:32:19Canton
00:32:19it is in the Supreme Court
00:32:20and to me
00:32:21it seemed honestly
00:32:22particularly
00:32:23worrying
00:32:24the fact that
00:32:24was read
00:32:25in hearing
00:32:26I insisted
00:32:27very much
00:32:27on this particular
00:32:28that in a way
00:32:29unusual
00:32:30in my own way
00:32:31to see
00:32:31unusual
00:32:32but that's what it is
00:32:33Surely
00:32:33according to that
00:32:34which provides for the code
00:32:35was read
00:32:36this instance
00:32:37of remittance
00:32:38in public
00:32:39hearing
00:32:39in presence
00:32:40of the defendants
00:32:41that they were
00:32:42let's say
00:32:42the leaders
00:32:43of the clan
00:32:43of the Casalesi
00:32:45but why
00:32:48but why
00:32:48the lawyer
00:32:49Santonassa
00:32:49just have to read
00:32:50this document
00:32:51in that hearing
00:32:53but why
00:32:55in which other
00:32:56occasion
00:32:57has it ever happened
00:32:58This
00:32:59it had never happened before
00:33:03which had been read
00:33:04a document
00:33:05signed
00:33:06from two bosses
00:33:07from their lawyer
00:33:10like a proclamation
00:33:12this belonged
00:33:13to history
00:33:13of the Red Brigades
00:33:14proclamations of this kind
00:33:16read this way
00:33:19they had a perception
00:33:20high
00:33:20they had had
00:33:21towards me
00:33:22a perception
00:33:22from another world
00:33:23and what does it make me understand
00:33:25that there is something
00:33:26of strange
00:33:27a first gesture
00:33:28and that is
00:33:29that the other lawyers
00:33:30of the defense team
00:33:32they distance themselves
00:33:34and then the first
00:33:36my interpretative way
00:33:38And
00:33:38if it really is
00:33:39just an act
00:33:41of internal law
00:33:42in short judicial
00:33:42why take
00:33:43the distances
00:33:44of a judicial act
00:33:44of remission
00:33:46the lawyers
00:33:47they would have
00:33:48the other lawyers
00:33:49they would have
00:33:50step back
00:33:50or rather
00:33:51they wouldn't have
00:33:52joined
00:33:53to that instance
00:33:54she is sure
00:33:55of this?
00:33:55the press reported
00:33:57that there was a capture
00:33:57away
00:33:58but all the press
00:33:59national
00:34:00listen why
00:34:01many lawyers
00:34:03instead they join together
00:34:04rather they make their own
00:34:07the conclusions
00:34:09and the contents
00:34:10of that instance
00:34:11of remission
00:34:12effectively
00:34:14it had never happened before
00:34:15that an instance
00:34:16of remission
00:34:17more than 50 pages
00:34:19were entirely
00:34:21read in the classroom
00:34:22and it's also true
00:34:23that not all
00:34:24the lawyers
00:34:25they dissociated themselves
00:34:26but a good part
00:34:27Yes
00:34:27because they didn't share
00:34:29such a hard text
00:34:31against journalists
00:34:33and magistrates
00:34:34Indeed
00:34:35even for magistrates
00:34:36Raffaele Cantone
00:34:37and Federico
00:34:38Coffee
00:34:39De Rao
00:34:39it was opened
00:34:40a similar procedure
00:34:42in Rome
00:34:42in the classroom
00:34:44the lawyer
00:34:45Holy Nostas
00:34:46fold now
00:34:46at the court
00:34:47Why
00:34:48he was forced
00:34:49to write
00:34:49this instance
00:34:50Why
00:34:51he had come
00:34:52to know
00:34:52That
00:34:53repent
00:34:54they had agreed
00:34:56what to say
00:34:56and then
00:34:57they had piloted
00:34:59the process
00:34:59Spartacus
00:35:00you have
00:35:01she presented
00:35:02this
00:35:03instance
00:35:04of remission
00:35:05if we want
00:35:06simplify
00:35:07the thesis is
00:35:08the repentants
00:35:09they are not credible
00:35:10they come to an agreement
00:35:11they do a lot of cheating
00:35:12etc. etc.
00:35:13I am trying to say
00:35:13the question is this
00:35:14I say
00:35:14I'm avenging
00:35:14paternity
00:35:15of this act
00:35:16even today
00:35:17I'm convinced of it
00:35:18I say I did
00:35:19a right thing
00:35:20of having done
00:35:21something that
00:35:21any lawyer
00:35:22could have done
00:35:24the question is this
00:35:24what do they have to do with it?
00:35:25Saviano and Capacchione
00:35:27in that document
00:35:28I explained it
00:35:29in chapter 1
00:35:30and in the last chapter
00:35:32what does it have to do with it?
00:35:33Saviano and Capacchione
00:35:34and I said
00:35:36how
00:35:36practically
00:35:37we are looking for
00:35:38Of
00:35:39we were looking for
00:35:40to influence
00:35:41the environment
00:35:42that surrounded
00:35:43external
00:35:44let's say
00:35:45to the jurisdiction
00:35:46through
00:35:47often
00:35:48of the initiatives
00:35:50journalistic
00:35:50that not
00:35:51they reflected
00:35:53reality
00:35:53practically
00:35:54of the facts
00:35:54the accusation
00:35:56which is reported
00:35:58in the instance
00:35:59and that is
00:36:02pseudo journalist
00:36:06I think there is
00:36:07also the reference
00:36:08novelist
00:36:09as if it were
00:36:10an element
00:36:11Of
00:36:13term that
00:36:14degrades
00:36:15the person
00:36:15novelist
00:36:16it seemed to me
00:36:17to be
00:36:17a judgment
00:36:19from a Camorrista
00:36:20Therefore
00:36:22that he was out of place
00:36:23or anyway
00:36:24that he returned
00:36:25in a code
00:36:26cultural
00:36:27Camorra
00:36:29that had nothing to do with it
00:36:30Nothing
00:36:30with the legitimate
00:36:32criticism
00:36:32of my
00:36:32person
00:36:33first of all
00:36:34I am trying to say
00:36:35one thing
00:36:37because I heard
00:36:38Dr. Saviano
00:36:38if Dr. Saviano
00:36:40he felt
00:36:40offended
00:36:41or threatened
00:36:42for this fact
00:36:43of remission
00:36:45and it was felt
00:36:45offended
00:36:46I discussed it with him
00:36:47for the damages
00:36:48that I caused it
00:36:48I have never
00:36:49threatened
00:36:49Dr. Saviano
00:36:51and not even
00:36:51the doctor
00:36:51because for the newspaper
00:36:53for the journalist
00:36:54I have never had it
00:36:55spoken in my life
00:36:56never
00:36:56but she had
00:36:58then threats
00:36:59live
00:37:01following
00:37:01of this reading
00:37:02I intend
00:37:05by telephone
00:37:06personally
00:37:07someone
00:37:07he threatened her
00:37:08in that period
00:37:10they happened to us
00:37:11various things
00:37:12for example
00:37:12some writings
00:37:13which were found
00:37:14within
00:37:14of the editorial staff
00:37:15in the stairs
00:37:16of the editorial staff
00:37:18a writing
00:37:20on the walls
00:37:21in Casal di Principe
00:37:24what kind of writing is it?
00:37:26what can be said
00:37:27of a woman
00:37:28in a country
00:37:29like Casal di Principe
00:37:30who is a slob
00:37:30whore
00:37:31something like that
00:37:35it was the same period
00:37:36some writings
00:37:36against Saviano
00:37:40Then
00:37:42there was
00:37:42a very strange one
00:37:43theft
00:37:43at my house
00:37:45October 9th
00:37:48Why
00:37:49these people entered
00:37:50at home
00:37:51during one of my
00:37:51very short absence
00:37:52I went out
00:37:53to do a little
00:37:54of expenditure
00:37:55they had
00:37:56like the feeling
00:37:57that it was
00:37:58most searched
00:37:59what else
00:38:00it is certain
00:38:00that though
00:38:01having left
00:38:01having on the table
00:38:03the money
00:38:05the ring
00:38:06with the brilliants
00:38:07that is, things of value
00:38:08around
00:38:09they will take away
00:38:10only
00:38:10a prize
00:38:11that I had had
00:38:12by Rita Levi Montalcini
00:38:14of no value
00:38:16economic
00:38:17it was a prize
00:38:18to the career
00:38:18for the commitment
00:38:19they will take away
00:38:21just this
00:38:22she
00:38:23the text
00:38:24of the instance
00:38:25of remittance
00:38:26has he ever had it
00:38:28in your hands?
00:38:29never
00:38:29that is me
00:38:30at this moment
00:38:31I should apologize
00:38:32to
00:38:33to
00:38:33in Saviano
00:38:34or to
00:38:35to the doctor
00:38:37Cavacchione
00:38:38but if
00:38:39Not
00:38:40I don't forward myself
00:38:43in this thing
00:38:43Why
00:38:44he says
00:38:44but if it's one thing
00:38:45that I
00:38:45I have never
00:38:46thought
00:38:47but
00:38:48in this process
00:38:49they are accused
00:38:51the two bosses too
00:38:52Casalesi
00:38:53Francis
00:38:54small bins
00:38:54and Antonio
00:38:55Iovine
00:38:56that as we have
00:38:57sense
00:38:57they deny being
00:38:58were aware
00:39:00of the content
00:39:01of that instance
00:39:02so the question is
00:39:03it was an initiative
00:39:05exclusive
00:39:06of the lawyer
00:39:07Saint Anastasius
00:39:08or had informed about it
00:39:09his clients
00:39:11let's listen
00:39:12this initiative
00:39:14procedural
00:39:15it was an initiative
00:39:16agreed
00:39:17with the customer
00:39:18small bins
00:39:18and with the customer
00:39:19Iovine
00:39:20you had talked about it
00:39:20previously
00:39:21that it was necessary
00:39:22carry on
00:39:23this type of initiative
00:39:24specifically
00:39:25that of the 13th
00:39:26No
00:39:27Why
00:39:27I didn't have
00:39:31warned
00:39:32small bins
00:39:32nor much less
00:39:33Iovine
00:39:34when she was
00:39:34interrogated
00:39:35from the public
00:39:36ministry
00:39:37she said
00:39:38let's say
00:39:38on this question
00:39:39At that time
00:39:40he knew
00:39:41he had asked me
00:39:4250 times
00:39:43me when
00:39:44I would have done it
00:39:45he wanted
00:39:46that I did
00:39:46this thing
00:39:47Yes
00:39:47it's clear
00:39:48then I warned him
00:39:49in the sense that
00:39:50small bins
00:39:52I told him
00:39:52the 12th
00:39:53with Iovine
00:39:54the same thing
00:39:55I had the opportunity to speak
00:39:56in those days
00:39:57one or two days before
00:39:58I don't remember
00:39:58with some family members
00:39:59for which
00:39:59I think they have it
00:40:00reported
00:40:01I am trying to say
00:40:01to Iovine
00:40:02a remittance data
00:40:03it is not signed
00:40:04from his clients
00:40:05Absolutely not
00:40:06it's signed
00:40:07only from me
00:40:08and then
00:40:09of course they didn't know
00:40:10the content
00:40:11absolutely
00:40:12but
00:40:12I am trying to say
00:40:14but in the order of things
00:40:15in my professional experience
00:40:1630 years old
00:40:17I have never submitted
00:40:18to unionize
00:40:19practically
00:40:20to my customers
00:40:21be an instance
00:40:22of recusal
00:40:23or of freedom
00:40:24it was fine
00:40:25or it wasn't going well
00:40:25I just did it
00:40:26they share it
00:40:27if they are interested
00:40:29the result
00:40:30it doesn't matter
00:40:30the method
00:40:31how to get there
00:40:32I don't know if I'm making myself clear
00:40:32and I never allowed
00:40:34to no one
00:40:34to unionize
00:40:35what I wrote
00:40:36in my actions
00:40:37I don't understand why
00:40:38I had to do it right now
00:40:39she
00:40:41he knew it had to be done
00:40:43this request for referral
00:40:44when did he find out?
00:40:47on the morning of March 13th
00:40:49so the day of the hearing
00:40:50did he find out?
00:40:52the day of the hearing
00:40:53had she ever envisaged
00:40:55even generically
00:40:56the hypothesis
00:40:57in Bedognetti
00:40:57to present
00:40:58a request for referral
00:40:59just using
00:41:00the technical term
00:41:01remission or not?
00:41:02why not?
00:41:03he's the one who asks me
00:41:04he's the one who asks me
00:41:05in 4-5 phone calls
00:41:06she say
00:41:07he met
00:41:08the content
00:41:09what was written
00:41:10in this referral request
00:41:12in this long document
00:41:15let's say
00:41:15made up of many pages
00:41:17At that time
00:41:18of that document
00:41:19I haven't read a single article
00:41:20Yes
00:41:21but
00:41:21I want to clarify
00:41:22I want to clarify one thing
00:41:24that if I knew
00:41:25at least
00:41:28a little earlier
00:41:29I recommended
00:41:30to the lawyer
00:41:31I recommended
00:41:32to the lawyer
00:41:33not to present them
00:41:35those very things
00:41:35because it was useless
00:41:36to introduce her
00:41:37it was useless
00:41:38Yes
00:41:38I would have given up
00:41:39to the mandate
00:41:40it's certain
00:41:41so if she
00:41:42had he known
00:41:42if he had told me
00:41:43after having done
00:41:44that job
00:41:44you don't have to introduce it to me
00:41:46I would have given up
00:41:46to the mandate
00:41:47I would have said
00:41:47you do it
00:41:48for me
00:41:49that's the only way
00:41:50to defend
00:41:51Therefore
00:41:53also according to
00:41:54the lawyer
00:41:55Saint Anastasius
00:41:56the decision
00:41:56to present
00:41:57the act of remission
00:41:59it was his choice
00:42:00defensive
00:42:01and now he tells in court
00:42:03Why
00:42:03he appointed
00:42:04in that document
00:42:05Roberto Saviano
00:42:07everything starts
00:42:08from reading
00:42:09of Gomorrah
00:42:10the question arises
00:42:12Saviano
00:42:13to put it bluntly
00:42:13practically
00:42:14very briefly
00:42:15Why
00:42:15he was invited
00:42:17to read
00:42:17this book
00:42:18I read this book
00:42:21and I found that
00:42:22the story
00:42:25of a historical episode
00:42:27it was false
00:42:29the source
00:42:30it was non-existent
00:42:31point
00:42:32I'm referring to
00:42:33to the murder
00:42:35Bardellino
00:42:35which according to Saviano
00:42:37he would have done it
00:42:38practically
00:42:39Bitognetti
00:42:39I'm referring to
00:42:40at the source
00:42:41that was supposed to be
00:42:42Schiavone Carmi
00:42:42December 28th
00:42:44that we had
00:42:46another hearing
00:42:47of Spartacus
00:42:47appeal
00:42:48I say
00:42:49near Bitognetti
00:42:50that I had read
00:42:51I had it given to me as a gift
00:42:52that book
00:42:52because I didn't have it
00:42:54bought
00:42:55and I never would have
00:42:55bought
00:42:56that book
00:42:56I had it given to me as a gift
00:42:58this book
00:42:58and I read this sentence
00:43:00practically
00:43:00this story
00:43:01from Bardellino
00:43:02and I said
00:43:02near Bitognetti
00:43:03Bitognetti
00:43:04this is what we have to do
00:43:05something about money
00:43:05we give them to charity
00:43:06why he wrote
00:43:07practically one thing
00:43:08which is not true
00:43:09on your account
00:43:10this was
00:43:35so basically
00:43:38in that book
00:43:39it would be acknowledged
00:43:40which was
00:43:41Bitognetti
00:43:43Francis
00:43:43to be the instigator
00:43:46of this
00:43:47it's not true
00:43:48it's not true
00:43:49Exactly
00:43:50This is what I want to know
00:43:50it turns out to be true
00:43:51absolutely
00:43:52but in that book
00:43:52there are many others
00:43:53inaccuracies
00:43:54I never thought
00:43:55if the book was
00:43:56the news
00:43:57they say it
00:43:57as far as I'm concerned
00:43:59I am not a critic
00:43:59for that
00:44:00it's not an essay
00:44:01Absolutely not
00:44:02but she then
00:44:03Anyway
00:44:03evaluate his work
00:44:05a work of
00:44:05he doesn't make me understand
00:44:07of fantasy
00:44:08in the narrative sense
00:44:09of evaluation
00:44:10absolutely
00:44:10it's in the rankings
00:44:11always in the
00:44:12in the narrative series
00:44:14is called
00:44:15the term
00:44:16to be technical
00:44:17since you asked me
00:44:18non-fiction novel
00:44:19born in America
00:44:21and that is
00:44:21use elements
00:44:23of daily news
00:44:25of crime news
00:44:26judicial
00:44:27next to
00:44:29a narrative structure
00:44:33Therefore
00:44:34explain to me
00:44:36that I'm not a technician
00:44:37among his work
00:44:38and the so-called
00:44:39investigative journalism
00:44:40where we speak
00:44:41of a news story
00:44:42very precise
00:44:43what's the difference?
00:44:44the difference
00:44:44is that journalism
00:44:45of complaint
00:44:47he answers
00:44:48technically
00:44:49to the news
00:44:50to give
00:44:51to the element
00:44:52to be reported
00:44:54the narrative investigation
00:44:55talk about the fact
00:44:56but he can get there
00:44:57through a series
00:44:58of streets
00:44:59I'll give you an example
00:44:59simple
00:45:00the chronicler
00:45:01that goes on the body
00:45:02of a charred
00:45:03of a girl
00:45:04I'm speaking in Scampia
00:45:05must tell
00:45:06who is that person
00:45:07when it happened
00:45:09if it goes to the writer
00:45:10can leave
00:45:11from vomiting
00:45:12of a traffic policeman
00:45:13who sees this scene
00:45:14and can't take it
00:45:15and then it arrives
00:45:16to the information
00:45:17that even the reporter
00:45:18from
00:45:18it's a question of method
00:45:20but the end
00:45:20then obviously
00:45:21it's the same
00:45:22that is, to tell
00:45:23and show
00:45:25reality
00:45:25or your own point of view
00:45:27the news
00:45:28for example
00:45:30imposes
00:45:31that the chronicler
00:45:31it is not the center
00:45:33his feelings
00:45:34his interpretation
00:45:35the narrative
00:45:36no fiction
00:45:36the one I do
00:45:37instead places
00:45:38one's own feelings
00:45:39and one's own way of seeing
00:45:40and this can lead
00:45:41also to
00:45:43let's say
00:45:43do not comply
00:45:45specifically
00:45:46to the data
00:45:47to the sources
00:45:47or to the news story
00:45:49to chronic rigor
00:45:50obviously not
00:45:51rigor is fundamental
00:45:52even in reading
00:45:53no fiction
00:45:54as
00:45:55show all authors
00:45:57who did it
00:45:58Therefore
00:45:58as far as I'm concerned
00:45:59the penalty is always maximum
00:46:01Obviously
00:46:02in relation
00:46:02in its own time
00:46:03and that is
00:46:05to the information
00:46:05that at that moment
00:46:06they have
00:46:08but there is a point
00:46:09in the instance
00:46:10of remittance
00:46:11which according to the prosecution
00:46:13it's revealing
00:46:14of the will
00:46:15to threaten
00:46:16Roberto Saviano
00:46:17and we listen to it
00:46:19right from the voice
00:46:20of the lawyer
00:46:21Saint Anastasius
00:46:22we are at the limits
00:46:24of defamation
00:46:25and slander
00:46:26but that's not it
00:46:27which is pressing here
00:46:28underline
00:46:29but it's just an invitation
00:46:30addressed to Mr. Saviano
00:46:31and others like him
00:46:32to do well
00:46:33one's work
00:46:34and not to be
00:46:35the pen
00:46:35of who is moved
00:46:36for very different purposes
00:46:37compared to that
00:46:38to eliminate
00:46:38organized crime
00:46:41returns
00:46:42the invitation
00:46:42you're doing well
00:46:43your job
00:46:44that is, it becomes
00:46:44or do like the journalists
00:46:46No
00:46:47some of the games
00:46:49fortunately
00:46:49others very brave
00:46:50always on the front line
00:46:51others
00:46:52ordinary
00:46:53considered by them
00:46:54harmless
00:46:54which is the same invitation
00:46:56that he did to me
00:46:56Nicholas Schiavone
00:46:57do your job well
00:46:58you're just a reporter
00:47:00how to say
00:47:01avoid
00:47:02this media coverage
00:47:03that for me
00:47:04instead it is substantial
00:47:05the battle
00:47:06which I have been doing for years
00:47:07or what I think I'm doing
00:47:10I can say
00:47:11which surely
00:47:12as a magistrate
00:47:14who took care of
00:47:14always of the investigations
00:47:16on the Caserta clans
00:47:18that after Gomorrah
00:47:20it has changed completely
00:47:21attention
00:47:21against the Caserta clan
00:47:23let's say
00:47:24let me say
00:47:25which up to that point
00:47:27all in all
00:47:29the Casalesi
00:47:29they were a topic
00:47:30of great interest
00:47:31especially for us
00:47:32that we were
00:47:33to the district management
00:47:34anti-mafia
00:47:35I believe that after
00:47:35the publication
00:47:37of Gomorrah
00:47:38and above all
00:47:38the great success
00:47:39of Gomorrah
00:47:40it has changed
00:47:40media attention
00:47:41in a sensational way
00:47:42towards
00:47:43of the Casalesi clan
00:47:44it has changed
00:47:45attention
00:47:46let's say national
00:47:47even worldwide
00:47:48I was also
00:47:48abroad
00:47:49to talk about these things
00:47:50after Saviano's book
00:47:51if we had
00:47:53let's say in 2006
00:47:54tried to say
00:47:55to some of the Casalesi
00:47:56probably
00:47:56in 90% of cases
00:47:58no one even knew
00:47:59where it was located
00:47:59Casaldi Prince
00:48:00this is the only thing
00:48:01what I feel like saying
00:48:02it's good to say it
00:48:03once and for all
00:48:05if it hadn't been there
00:48:07Gomorrah
00:48:08the Casalesi clan
00:48:09would have remained
00:48:10a territorial reality
00:48:11Gomorrah
00:48:13and the publication
00:48:13of Gomorrah
00:48:14represents
00:48:15a watershed
00:48:16for the Casalesi clan
00:48:17there is a first Gomorrah
00:48:19and an after Gomorrah
00:48:20after reading
00:48:22in the classroom
00:48:22of the instance
00:48:23which was interpreted
00:48:24from all over the world
00:48:26as a serious threat
00:48:27against all those
00:48:29that had been
00:48:30nominated
00:48:31we took cover
00:48:32and were increased
00:48:33the security measures
00:48:35after this story
00:48:36I have
00:48:37two armored cars
00:48:39and five men
00:48:41plus two
00:48:42when I am
00:48:42in Campania region
00:48:43seven
00:48:44I passed by
00:48:45from the condition
00:48:45of a free person
00:48:47who was entering
00:48:48he was going out
00:48:49he didn't have to answer
00:48:50to no one
00:48:50of what he did
00:48:51Often
00:48:52if I decided
00:48:52to stay at home
00:48:53a week
00:48:54nobody knew
00:48:55not even if I were at home
00:48:56to have to
00:48:57after 48 years of life
00:48:58to have to give an account
00:48:59of any of my movements
00:49:01it's a condition
00:49:02who created me
00:49:03very serious discomfort
00:49:05also physical
00:49:07so much so that
00:49:07I continue to have
00:49:08recurring dreams
00:49:10where I escape
00:49:11I feel detained
00:49:13I am no longer the boss
00:49:14of my life
00:49:15nothing of my life
00:49:16it's more like before
00:49:18I am obliged
00:49:19to live with two people
00:49:20that beyond
00:49:21of the fact
00:49:22who are people
00:49:23exceptional
00:49:24they are two people
00:49:26who live with me
00:49:27and I lived alone
00:49:29it's like your life
00:49:30was completely
00:49:31transformed
00:49:32there are no walks
00:49:35to be able to take a train
00:49:36to be able to go
00:49:37on the subway
00:49:41to be able to choose
00:49:42a restaurant
00:49:42without first
00:49:43not be chosen
00:49:45rightly
00:49:46from the device
00:49:48And
00:49:51I in fact
00:49:52I already did it
00:49:53but I believe
00:49:54I'll do it again
00:49:55Soon
00:49:57I imagine
00:49:57that my life
00:49:59free
00:50:00may
00:50:02exist
00:50:03only abroad
00:50:05she said
00:50:06which is no longer
00:50:06the same person
00:50:07which was in 2008
00:50:08has he ever asked
00:50:09have you ever thought
00:50:10to ask
00:50:10the renunciation
00:50:11of the escort
00:50:11I never asked
00:50:12an escort
00:50:13it's a question
00:50:14let's say impossible
00:50:16why the stocks
00:50:17you don't give up
00:50:18the stocks
00:50:18are given
00:50:19from the authority
00:50:19when there is danger
00:50:21the ratings
00:50:22I am of the authority
00:50:22of safety
00:50:23and they are not people
00:50:24escorted
00:50:25I can tell you
00:50:25from experience
00:50:26of church
00:50:27I asked several times
00:50:28when did they put me back
00:50:29at liberty
00:50:31orally
00:50:32or in writing
00:50:34lawyer
00:50:34lawyer
00:50:35but she would do it
00:50:36in writing
00:50:37I don't ask questions
00:50:38It's me
00:50:38lawyer
00:50:39she asks me a question
00:50:40impossible
00:50:40but not
00:50:42We see
00:50:42I don't try
00:50:43ninth
00:50:44I don't try
00:50:44this is not it
00:50:46let's say I beg you
00:50:47it's clear
00:50:47he didn't answer
00:50:48the answer was there
00:50:49let's say so
00:50:50All right
00:50:50I asked
00:50:52to officers of the force
00:50:53who have always protected me
00:50:54that they didn't manage
00:50:55to be able to
00:50:56somehow
00:50:56solve this thing
00:50:58I asked personally
00:50:59to Don Luigi Ciotti
00:51:00to be able to intervene
00:51:03somehow
00:51:05because I can't take it anymore
00:51:09I was 26 years old
00:51:11and the answer was
00:51:13don't even think about it
00:51:15don't even think about it
00:51:16that can be taken away from you
00:51:18the device
00:51:21and the reference
00:51:23to whom
00:51:24they did
00:51:26they indicated
00:51:27to reflect
00:51:28to think
00:51:29it was the story
00:51:29by Noviello
00:51:31Domenico Noviello
00:51:33who is killed
00:51:35from the organization
00:51:37of the Casalesi
00:51:39after it had been
00:51:40escorted
00:51:41for ten years
00:51:42exactly the year
00:51:43in which they revoke him
00:51:44the escort
00:51:44agreed among other things
00:51:45with him
00:51:46because they had already passed
00:51:46ten years after the fact
00:51:47the trial was over
00:51:49the person who had reported
00:51:50she had regretted it
00:51:51there was no reason
00:51:53to worry
00:51:55listen
00:51:55it's true that
00:51:57if you find out
00:51:58that at least
00:51:59in October 2009
00:52:01the head of the mobile squad
00:52:03of Naples
00:52:05Dr. Pisani
00:52:06if I'm not mistaken
00:52:07he questioned
00:52:09the necessity
00:52:09that she
00:52:10had
00:52:11an escort
00:52:12because he thought
00:52:13don't try
00:52:14unfounded
00:52:15the news
00:52:17about his
00:52:17endangered
00:52:18Certain
00:52:19I remember it
00:52:21but it's one thing
00:52:21to ask
00:52:22to Pisani
00:52:23Please
00:52:24Good morning
00:52:31Dr. Pisani
00:52:32there is an article
00:52:34October 14, 2009
00:52:35of Mr.
00:52:36Vittorio Zincone
00:52:37in which
00:52:37if I understood correctly
00:52:38there was an interview
00:52:39to her
00:52:40on this topic
00:52:41I read them
00:52:44how it was
00:52:45titled
00:52:46the article
00:52:46I'll explain to you
00:52:47because I was against it
00:52:47to the escort
00:52:48for Roberto Saviano
00:52:57I
00:52:57in that
00:52:59interview
00:53:01I remembered
00:53:01That
00:53:02when we
00:53:02smoke delegates
00:53:03to carry out
00:53:04of the investigations
00:53:05we carried them out
00:53:06and there were
00:53:07of negative feedback
00:53:08this however
00:53:09I am trying to say
00:53:10is the object
00:53:11of that
00:53:11which is mine
00:53:12heritage
00:53:12of knowledge
00:53:13Then
00:53:14the attribution
00:53:16of the escort
00:53:17to a subject
00:53:18it is decided
00:53:19in the committee
00:53:19of the order
00:53:20for safety
00:53:20public
00:53:21so I mean
00:53:22I expressed
00:53:23what it was
00:53:24the heritage
00:53:25of knowledge
00:53:26of the team
00:53:27of the mobile squad
00:53:27she says in the article
00:53:28I do antimurra
00:53:29since 1991
00:53:30I arrested
00:53:31hundreds of criminals
00:53:32I wrote
00:53:33witnessed
00:53:34well I'm walking around the city
00:53:35with my wife
00:53:35and with my children
00:53:36without an escort
00:53:37I remain perplexed
00:53:38when I see escorts
00:53:39people who have done
00:53:40less than many
00:53:41policemen
00:53:41Carabinieri
00:53:42magistrates
00:53:43and journalists
00:53:44who fight
00:53:45the camurra
00:53:45for years
00:53:46if you remember
00:53:47what was the point
00:53:48of this situation
00:53:49if you can add
00:53:50something compared to what
00:53:51it was already reported here
00:53:53this one seems
00:53:54an evaluation
00:53:55which is independent
00:53:55from the documents
00:53:56but
00:53:56Exactly
00:53:57his statements
00:53:59they express the meaning
00:54:00of what it was
00:54:01the cognitive heritage
00:54:02she doesn't find herself
00:54:03in those statements
00:54:04reported
00:54:04No
00:54:04they were
00:54:05I am trying to say
00:54:05a doubt of mine
00:54:07which referred to
00:54:08to what it was
00:54:08my cognitive heritage
00:54:11for the deeds
00:54:12made by me
00:54:12and I have to tell the truth
00:54:14I have to do
00:54:15a small aside
00:54:16I thank the defense
00:54:17because if they
00:54:19they hadn't brought
00:54:20on the witness stand
00:54:22Dr. Vittorio Pisani
00:54:24a mystification
00:54:26a hoax
00:54:27which was
00:54:28let's say
00:54:29propagated
00:54:30in the wind
00:54:31for years
00:54:32and that is
00:54:32which according to Pisani
00:54:34Saviano had not received any threats
00:54:36and according to Pisani
00:54:37he shouldn't have had an escort
00:54:38would have continued to live
00:54:39Pisans
00:54:40when he came here
00:54:41he told us
00:54:41no it's nothing true
00:54:42actually
00:54:42I shouldn't have said anything
00:54:44on the escort
00:54:44and the only control
00:54:45what I did
00:54:46is that Saviano
00:54:46he did not recognize
00:54:47some photographs
00:54:59but while it is taking place
00:55:02this process
00:55:03Antonio Iovne
00:55:05one of the defendants
00:55:06who had been arrested
00:55:07in 2010
00:55:08he repents
00:55:10and in the classroom
00:55:11tells
00:55:11of how
00:55:12Saint Anastasius
00:55:13forever
00:55:14his lawyer
00:55:15corrupted
00:55:15an appellate judge
00:55:17to have him acquitted
00:55:19from a process
00:55:20where he had been
00:55:21convicted
00:55:22at 30 years old
00:55:23in the first degree
00:55:24thus suggesting
00:55:25the idea
00:55:26that the goal
00:55:27of the recusal
00:55:28it was just that
00:55:29to bring
00:55:30the process
00:55:30Spartacus
00:55:31in an appeals court
00:55:33Where
00:55:33Saint Anastasius
00:55:34could assert
00:55:36its own influence
00:55:37and as for what concerns
00:55:39the theme
00:55:39of this process
00:55:40and that is
00:55:41if the threats
00:55:42against Salviano
00:55:43and Capacchione
00:55:44had been shared
00:55:46from him
00:55:46and from Bidognetti
00:55:47declares
00:55:48the following
00:55:49listen
00:55:50with regard to
00:55:51his relationship
00:55:53instead with the lawyer
00:55:54Saint Anastasius
00:55:55he wants it
00:55:55somehow
00:55:56to clarify
00:55:57he was a young man
00:55:59lawyer
00:56:00very ambitious
00:56:02very good
00:56:03Very
00:56:05very prepared
00:56:07Therefore
00:56:08he was trying to give
00:56:09satisfaction
00:56:10to customers
00:56:11who were in prison
00:56:12which then
00:56:12that's what matters
00:56:14Then
00:56:15each one
00:56:16he was doing his job
00:56:17I
00:56:18the laditante
00:56:19and he
00:56:19the lawyer
00:56:20I believe
00:56:20that Saint Anastasius
00:56:21at a certain point
00:56:22I thought that
00:56:22that it was me
00:56:24as
00:56:24if he were me
00:56:26as
00:56:26as responsible
00:56:28Therefore
00:56:29he took all the initiatives
00:56:30on his own
00:56:31I didn't know him
00:56:33Saviano
00:56:33so if
00:56:34I met him
00:56:35I met him
00:56:36through
00:56:36of all that
00:56:37what happened
00:56:38and I made myself
00:56:39an opinion
00:56:41bad
00:56:41towards him
00:56:42and that's not what I can say
00:56:44that I love him
00:56:45if
00:56:45had done it
00:56:48had avoided it
00:56:49this thing
00:56:50most likely
00:56:51it would have been
00:56:52one thing
00:56:53Good
00:56:54and that he would not have
00:56:55neither
00:56:56agitated the spirits
00:56:58the trials are done
00:56:59on the evidence
00:56:59I have to tell you that
00:57:01I will ask you
00:57:02a solution
00:57:03for young people
00:57:03but I am convinced
00:57:05that young people
00:57:05he is guilty
00:57:07I'm convinced
00:57:08because logic
00:57:09of these passages
00:57:11he tells me that
00:57:11it's not possible
00:57:12imagine
00:57:13that this initiative
00:57:14it has not been agreed upon
00:57:15with a boss like
00:57:16Young man
00:57:17but I'm used to it
00:57:18to do the trials
00:57:19on the evidence
00:57:19that are there
00:57:20in the documents
00:57:21and I have to ask you
00:57:22instead the sentences
00:57:23for Bidognetti
00:57:24and for Santo Nassaso
00:57:27I ask you
00:57:28the maximum
00:57:28of the penalty
00:57:29one year old
00:57:30six months
00:57:30of imprisonment
00:57:31and with this
00:57:32I finished
00:57:33I conclude
00:57:34asking for the conviction
00:57:35of all the defendants
00:57:38also to compensation
00:57:39of the damage
00:57:40Obviously
00:57:41towards
00:57:41by Roberto Saviano
00:57:42who came here
00:57:44and he told you
00:57:45and he explained to you
00:57:46and I don't have to repeat it
00:57:47that the choice
00:57:49of moral responsibility
00:57:51civic
00:57:52what he did
00:57:53he's paying for it
00:57:54it was in fact
00:57:56forced
00:57:58to no longer live
00:57:59and to make his life
00:58:01a renunciation
00:58:03constant
00:58:04what he did
00:58:05Saint Nassaso
00:58:06with the presentation
00:58:07of the request for referral
00:58:08it's nothing else
00:58:09that his
00:58:10honest and serious
00:58:11Work
00:58:12honest and serious
00:58:14Work
00:58:14but in ours
00:58:16legal work
00:58:17we believe
00:58:18that through
00:58:19also facts
00:58:21and documents
00:58:22heavy
00:58:23hard
00:58:24serious
00:58:25like those
00:58:26that I am
00:58:27inevitably
00:58:28the contents
00:58:29of the instance
00:58:30of legitimate
00:58:31suspicion
00:58:31we have
00:58:33the obligation
00:58:34to introduce them to you
00:58:35you can't
00:58:36to pass sentence
00:58:38that it is
00:58:41unpopular
00:58:42because he doesn't like it
00:58:43to the press
00:58:43or to the press
00:58:44that we have mentioned
00:58:45or heard
00:58:46it doesn't matter
00:58:47but a sentence
00:58:48that restores
00:58:49the truth
00:58:51and the rightness
00:58:53some things
00:58:54Therefore
00:58:55a sentence
00:58:56unique
00:58:57which is that
00:58:58of the absolution
00:59:00of the accused
00:59:01because the fact
00:59:02it does not exist
00:59:14court
00:59:15read the articles
00:59:16533
00:59:17and 535
00:59:18code
00:59:19for criminal procedure
00:59:20declares
00:59:20Santonastaso
00:59:21Michael
00:59:22responsible
00:59:22of the crimes
00:59:23ascribed
00:59:23and unified
00:59:24the same
00:59:24to the bond
00:59:25to be continued
00:59:25he condemns it
00:59:26to the penalty
00:59:27overall
00:59:271 year old
00:59:28of imprisonment
00:59:28as well as payment
00:59:29of the expenses
00:59:30procedural
00:59:30read the articles
00:59:31538
00:59:32and following
00:59:32code
00:59:33criminal procedure
00:59:33condemnation
00:59:34Santonastaso
00:59:35Michael
00:59:35to resarcento
00:59:36the damages
00:59:36in favor
00:59:37by Saviano
00:59:37Roberto
00:59:37Capacchione
00:59:38Rosaria
00:59:38and of the Council
00:59:39of the Order
00:59:40journalist
00:59:40of Campania
00:59:41to be liquidated
00:59:41in a separate location
00:59:42read the article
00:59:44530
00:59:44code
00:59:45criminal procedure
00:59:46absolves
00:59:46small bins
00:59:47Francis
00:59:48Young people
00:59:48Antonio
00:59:49and Daniello
00:59:49Carmine
00:59:50from the crime
00:59:50he wrote to them
00:59:51for not having committed
00:59:52the fact
00:59:52read the article
00:59:53544
00:59:54paragraph 3
00:59:55code
00:59:56criminal procedure
00:59:56fixed for storage
00:59:57the motivation
00:59:58the term
00:59:58of days
00:59:5990
01:00:05the day
01:00:06it's ending
01:00:07maybe I'm so
01:00:09tired
01:00:09that seems to me
01:00:11it's already full night
01:00:12Instead
01:00:12it's only evening
01:00:14there was
01:00:15this sentence
01:00:16that for half
01:00:18was
01:00:19important
01:00:21for half
01:00:23actually
01:00:24disappointed
01:00:24many
01:00:25was
01:00:27convicted
01:00:27the lawyer
01:00:29Saint Anastasius
01:00:31considered
01:00:32responsible
01:00:33of threats
01:00:34Camorrists
01:00:34done to me
01:00:35in Rosario
01:00:35Capacchione
01:00:36but
01:00:37the instigators
01:00:39who have signed
01:00:40the document
01:00:41of legitimate
01:00:42suspicion
01:00:43considered
01:00:43from the court
01:00:44a threat
01:00:45well
01:00:46Young people
01:00:47and Bidognetti
01:00:47the bosses
01:00:48instead they were
01:00:50acquitted
01:00:51the lawyer
01:00:52Saint Anastasius
01:00:53was
01:00:54recognized
01:00:54guilty
01:00:55and condemned
01:00:56as we have heard
01:00:57at one year
01:00:58small bins
01:00:59and Giovini
01:01:00Instead
01:01:00they were acquitted
01:01:02because the judge
01:01:02he believed in Giovini
01:01:04who had exonerated
01:01:05be himself
01:01:06that Bidognetti
01:01:07giving all the responsibility
01:01:09in Sant'Anastaso
01:01:11against this sentence
01:01:12he accuses himself
01:01:13what a defense
01:01:14they presented
01:01:15appeal
01:01:15appeal
01:01:16which is still
01:01:17in progress
01:01:18us
01:01:19for this evening
01:01:19we finished
01:01:20I greet you
01:01:21and I'll meet you
01:01:22next Saturday
01:01:23Always
01:01:24around midnight
01:01:25Always
01:01:26on Rai 3
01:01:27Until we meet again
01:01:28then you
01:01:29in this first phase
01:01:30how many robbers
01:01:32because now we can
01:01:33call them that
01:01:34do you see?
01:01:35yes I thought about it
01:01:37in this first phase
01:01:39two
01:01:39one was standing
01:01:41attached to me
01:01:42pointing at me
01:01:43a gun
01:01:44and the other
01:01:45Instead
01:01:46he was aiming
01:01:47I could see well
01:01:48what was going on
01:01:50Obviously
01:01:51next to Andrea
01:01:52and he was aiming
01:01:53this gun
01:01:55to the head
01:01:57and he screamed
01:01:59I'll kill your son
01:02:01at that point
01:02:02one of them
01:02:04he asked me
01:02:05if I were Andrea Calevo
01:02:07and I told him
01:02:08yes
01:02:09at that point
01:02:09he told me
01:02:10come for a moment
01:02:11with us
01:02:12to take a walk
01:02:13with us
01:02:13then we'll leave you
01:02:14I was calling
01:02:15for the question
01:02:16of his brother
01:02:17What?
01:02:18repair money
01:02:20and don't say anything
01:02:21to the police