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Plunder is one of the most serious corruption charges under Philippine law—but what does it really mean, and when does it become a non-bailable offense?
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00:54Good afternoon. Welcome to Beyond the Headlines.
00:56I'm DJ Moises, and today's conversation is brought to us by Coffee First.
01:01In recent weeks, several prominent public officials have found themselves at the center of legal and political scrutiny.
01:09So cases have been filed, but there were also allegations of other officials, and cases have not been filed as
01:15we speak.
01:16And so given all the movements that are happening also at the Senate, the impending trial at the Senate also
01:25of Vice President Sara Duterte,
01:26there is an emerging development also that's happening at EDSA White Plains as we speak.
01:33And reporting live from CRAME is Sunstar correspondent Third Ann Malonzo.
01:39So Third, how are you?
01:42Thank you, Mr. DJ. Good afternoon.
01:46I'm very good.
01:47I'm not expecting this today, actually, pero may meron ditong isang mass gathering dito sa People Power Monument natin ngayon,
01:57which started at dawn kaninang madaling araw.
02:01So Third, tell us more about what's happening, and even the events prior to that that led to the emerging
02:10development as we speak.
02:12Okay.
02:13Sir DJ, ito nga, as of 10 a.m., sinabi nga ng Philippine National Police na nasa 10,000 na
02:20mga rallyista na members ng INC dito sa People Power Monument.
02:26Particularly ito dito sa may canto ng EDSA sa northbound.
02:32Yun na nga, grabing traffic, monstrous traffic na ang dinudulot nito ngayon.
02:38Almost paralyzing a portion of EDSA na alam naman natin, is a major toro fair dito sa Metro Manila.
02:45The NCRPO, the Police Regional Office 3 or Central Luzon, Calabarzon, were already placed under alert status due to the
02:53protest action which started at around yun nga, mga 4 a.m.
02:57The NCRPO has deployed nearly 6,000 police personnel in EDSA for crowd management and for the maintenance of peace
03:05and order.
03:06Sinabi nga nitong si NCRPO Director Major General Anthony Aberin na walang prior coordination sa mga otoridad itong nangyayaring rally
03:19ngayon.
03:19Ang sabi pa niya, nagulat din tayo kasi mga alas 12 daw kagabi, may natanggap siyang balita at agad silang
03:26naghanda.
03:27Pero sa namonitor nila, sa dineploy nila, overwhelming talaga yung numbers nung bigla ang dumating at nag-gather dito sa
03:36People Power Monument.
03:38Kanina nga, mga alas 8.30 ng umaga, nagkaroon ng scaffold between the police and the protesters as several buses
03:46moved to block the northbound portion of EDSA as well as the EDSA bus carousel.
03:53Kung kasi i-imaginin mo, Sir DJ, yung EDSA going to northbound, and doon makikita mo yung kanto ng People
04:03Power Monument.
04:04At doon mo makikita na may mga bus na hinarang nila dito sa northbound.
04:11So talagang walang makakadaan.
04:13Noong una, tin-try nilang iharang until doon sa bus carousel para miss kahit yung bus, mga buses na naghahatid
04:21ng mga pasahero, hindi rin makadaan.
04:24Pero afterwards naman, inatrust din nila.
04:26Ngayon, as of this moment, isang lane yung EDSA bus carousel na lang ang nadadaanan.
04:34At sa information na natanggap natin from the MMDA, talagang tukod-tukod na yung traffic dito sa paligid.
04:42Hindi lang sa paligid, syempre tutukod yan kahit sa medyo malayo ng lugar.
04:46Kasi EDSA is really a major thoroughfare.
04:49There's tatlong individuals naman ang sinasabi ng PNP na na-aresto.
04:57At isa na dyan, yung isang bus driver na nagtangka nga na i-block yung buong EDSA.
05:05At yung iba ay mga members ng INC na nagtangka din na pigilan ang mga polis na pigilan yung mga
05:13bus para ihambalang doon sa EDSA.
05:16Na dalawang polis ang nasugatan, o tatlong polis rather, ang nasugatan.
05:23Kaya rin nagkaroon ng hindi pagkakaintindihan kanina ng scaffold, ng confrontation.
05:31Kasi itong mga polis, yung iba ay SWAT.
05:35At ang iba sa kanila are actually armed.
05:38So doon medyo na ano yung mga rallyista.
05:41The Department of Interior and Local Government reaffirms its respect for every Filipino constitutional right to peacefully assemble and express
05:51their views.
05:51Ang sabi pa nga ni Major General Aberina, ang wishes nila ay paalisin sila dahil wala nga silang permit.
06:00Pero ang sabi niya, and I quote,
06:02With that number, how can we do that?
06:05Kaya ang gagawin natin, papakiusapan na lang natin sila na para nitilihing maayos at disiplinado ang kanilang hanay.
06:12Nang sa ganun, ay makaiwas sa potensyal na hindi magandang pangyayari.
06:17Ito nga, just this moment kakatapos lang ng press conference dito ni PLTPIO Chief,
06:24Colonel Allen Ray Coe dito sa Camp Kramen.
06:29At ang sinabi nga niya ay nakikipag-ugnaya na or nagda-dialogue na, nag-uusap na ngayon si General Aberina
06:35at ang INC leadership
06:36para maibalik ang normalcy dito sa Elsa kasi nadadamay yung publiko na hindi naman sila dapat madamay.
06:43And they want to end things peacefully.
06:46At yun na nga yung sinasabi nila na ito ay pipilitin nilang tapusin na walang kaguluhan na mangyayari.
06:58At nakakuha rin tayo ng information mula sa Malacanang.
07:01Na nag-cancel na nga si Pangulong Bongbong Marcos ng kanyang mga events para i-monitor itong rally.
07:07And ang sabi ng PNP, they will exhaust all possible peaceful means to disperse.
07:13At pumunta naman tayo, anong nangyayari before this?
07:17Yesterday, in a press conference, si Ombudsman Jesus Remulia ay sinabi niya na
07:26this week ay fa-fila na ng plunder case si Senator Rodante Marcoleta
07:33in connection with the alleged campaign donations totaling to 75 million
07:38that he received during the 2025 election period.
07:43So, as we all know, Senator Marcoleta is a member of the INC.
07:50Kaya, huwag niyong nakikita natin.
07:52At sinabi na rin naman, sa isang pahayag, sa isang statement ni INC spokesperson Edwin Zabala,
08:00sinabi naman din yan na ito, ang event na ito, or ang protest na ito,
08:06ang pagpapakita, is to show, to express or show support to Senator Marcoleta,
08:12who dahil nga doon sa kinakaharap niya.
08:15In a statement, Zabala maintained na hindi sila against sa pagpapatupad ng batas.
08:22And using his word, hindi sila against sa pagpapatupad ng batas.
08:26Pero tutol kami sa pagbaluktot sa batas, lalo na kung ang layunin ay para pagtakpan ang katiwalian.
08:35Ang sinabi pa niya, gusto naming ipaalam sa kanila na isang injustice, ang selective justice.
08:42At hindi kami mananahimik sa harap nitong napakalaking pagyurak sa katarungan na hinihingi ng taong bayan.
08:48Ang sinabi nila, Sen. Marcoleta is the former chairman of the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee.
08:56Siya din yung nagpaumpisa ng investigation ng Senate on the flood control anomalies
09:05after nga nung in-announce ni Pangulong Bongbong Marcos sa kanyang Sona.
09:09Pero dahil sa pagpapalit ng liderato ng Senate, ay naiba rin.
09:15At natanggal si Sen. Marcoleta doon sa pag-i-investiga o sa pag-lead ng investigation.
09:22At sinasabi nila na, ang sinasabi ng INC na ipapakulong si Sen. Marcoleta na hindi na siya makakapagpiansa
09:33at hindi rin niya natatapos yung investigation niya dito sa corruption.
09:39At yun ang nila.
09:43Tapos sa isang pahayag naman, ang sinabi ni Sen. Marcoleta na hindi niya uurungan itong kanyang kinakaharap na plunder,
09:53na makakaharapin na plunder case.
09:55So you've mentioned actually third, na the reaction supposedly is to find a way to disperse the crowd.
10:02But because of the sheer number of people who are there,
10:06what they are asking now is just for them to conduct the rally peacefully.
10:12And the reason why I raise that, because we're actually looking forward also that you will continue us to give
10:18details on this.
10:20Because earlier today, I also learned from a separate news organization that Mike Defensor,
10:28the former congressman Mike Defensor, is also going to the rally.
10:32Actually, he's already there now.
10:33Ah, he's already there.
10:34As we speak, yes. I received just a text message that he's already there.
10:39Nandun din si congressman Leandro Leviste, he's already, he's also there.
10:45So I think even if Katong Morag, there's some move to disperse the people,
10:51but I would agree from what you gathered na it looks like this is in fact gaining momentum instead of
10:58being dispersed.
11:00Actually, kanina nung papasok ako dito sa Krami, from my place, from my house in Bulacan,
11:08nakasabay ko, and usually napapansin ko lang to kapag may event ang mga INC sa Philippine Arena.
11:18So nakita ko na siguro mga 30 vans ng convoy yun na I think they're also going to Manila.
11:25So actually they're inviting ng mga INC members and even the INC members to come at makiparticipate sa kanilang ginagawang
11:34protesta.
11:35Yeah, and then Mayor Magalong also earlier of Baguio City also was asked whether he's going to the rally
11:42and he also confirmed that he was invited, but it's also because of his circumstance around the city he could
11:48not attend.
11:48But he did say that if there will be another one, he would be attending.
11:53So it looks like the movement is gaining momentum.
11:56Actually, may nakuha nga tayong information na this is not a one-day thing.
12:02Ang narinig ko pa is three days at the least na they will stay there.
12:08And I think malaki talaga itong nagiging malaking issue sa in terms of,
12:15lalo na sa ating mga ordinaryong mamamayan.
12:20Yung iba napilitang maglakad, yung iba na late, maraming na late actually.
12:26And yung iba baka matanggal pa sila sa trabaho dahil dito.
12:29Kaya yun nga ang sinasabi ng PNP, they're exhausting all possible means na madisperse peacefully.
12:38At ginagawa nila ng paraan para agad-agad ay bumalik sa normal city.
12:42Kasi nga may mga report na this is not just a one-day thing.
12:45And like you said, the president also, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. reportedly cancelled his activities to monitor this.
12:55So it looks like this is potentially going to be serious.
13:01Tamaka dyan.
13:03Pero nag-uusap, actually, NCRPO Director Major General Anthony Aberin is also a member of the INC.
13:12And actually, natanong natin yan sa Prescon kanina.
13:15And the PNP leadership, tiwala sila na gagampana ni General Aberin ang kanyang tungkulin bilang isang polis at hindi lang
13:26bilang isang membro ng INC.
13:28Okay. Sige. Thank you, third.
13:30And then keep us posted as this emerging development continues to unfold.
13:36Okay. Thank you, Sir DJ.
13:38Reporting here from Manila, third Ann Malonzo.
13:40So that was third Ann Malonzo, Sunstar correspondent based in Manila.
13:46And she will continue to give us updates as this emerging development will continue to unfold.
13:50But going back to the intro earlier, and at this point, we would also encourage our viewers, just in case
13:58you're watching,
13:59to also post your questions and comments.
14:03Because the recent developments that at least led to today are also interesting.
14:09So we'll do our best to give you a summary of several incidents or instances that potentially led to people
14:18now gathering in EDSA.
14:19So in recent weeks, several prominent public officials have found themselves at the center of legal and political scrutiny.
14:27Cases have been filed against Senator Dengoy Estrada, Senator Rodante Marcoleta, and as third actually mentioned, is also a member
14:35of INC,
14:36and former Congressman Mike Defensor.
14:40At the same time, questions have been raised in public discourse about former Senate President Chief Escudero,
14:48Senator Joel Villanueva, and former Public Works Secretary Manuel Bonoan.
14:54Based on the information available today, however, no cases have been filed against them.
15:01In fact, on the same announcement that the ombudsman made yesterday, former Secretary Manuel Bonoan of DPWH was even turned
15:11into a state witness.
15:15Prosecutors allege that Estrada received kickbacks from flood control projects.
15:21Initially, a warrant of graft was issued.
15:25And so the senator was able to post a bail and then was released.
15:29Because graft is generally a bailable offense.
15:34However, shortly afterward, the Sandigan issued another warrant.
15:38This time it's for plunder, which is a non-bailable offense.
15:44So there's a pattern of initially filing.
15:47There's an incident at this time pa lang of filing a bailable offense and then eventually graduating into a non
15:54-bailable offense.
15:56Now, yesterday, June 29, 2026, ombudsman Jesus Crispin Remulia announced that his office was set to formally file the plunder
16:06case against Senator Marcoleta before the Sandigan Bayan over a $75 million in campaign donations.
16:15The Sandigan Bayan issued a precautionary hold departure order covering Marcoleta and the other respondents.
16:22And so that was about months or weeks ago.
16:27Then more than a month after, since the news broke in May 2022, 2026, ombudsman Remulia announced that the formal
16:38plunder case would be filed before the Sandigan Bayan.
16:41And this time, it's plunder, which is again a non-bailable offense.
16:48So if we see, there seems to be a relation also of a bailable case eventually graduating into a non
16:59-bailable one.
16:59Now, if we recall, Senator Cheez Escudero has been publicly identified also as among those being investigated in connection with
17:10the flood control controversy.
17:13But on June 3, he crossed over to the block led by Senator Sherwin Gatchalian, a move that broke the
17:21Senate deadlock and helped create a new majority.
17:25If you recall, this was the moment in which there was supposed to be an impasse.
17:32And eventually, he crossed over.
17:34The former Senate president crossed over.
17:37And that led to now Senate President Sherwin Gatchalian at that time as Senate president pro tempore.
17:46Because that was what their number could just afford to elect.
17:49And as of now, no criminal case has also been filed against him.
17:55Even if he was also allegedly involved in the flood control tank scandal.
18:02And then days later, Senator Joel Villanueva, who was also likewise mentioned in connection with the Ombudsman's investigation into the
18:14flood control controversy.
18:15So he was also mentioned as allegedly part of that, also joined days later the new majority, providing the 13th
18:24vote that consolidated the Gatchalian-led block.
18:29So like Senator Escudero, no formal case has been filed against him to date.
18:36So what we are seeing, at least from the unfolding of events on the opposition block, there's a speed in
18:46terms of the release of cases that are filed against them.
18:53There's also a similar pattern of a smaller offense and then graduating into plunder that's non-bailable.
19:00On the other hand, there also seems to be a similar brewing development also of certain senators who, like these
19:10two, were also tagged among the flood control, as part of the tag into the flood control controversy.
19:18But so far, these two, their allegations about their alleged involvement in the flood control scandal, their cases did not
19:30seem to move.
19:31So what's the deal?
19:33Why here there's speed?
19:34On the other side, there's no movement as we speak.
19:39And incidentally, they were also the two senators that crossed over to the new majority block.
19:45So there are questions regarding a pattern that seems to be forming.
19:53So many Filipinos have begun asking whether there is a pattern, as I've mentioned earlier,
19:58because senators who remained outside the new Senate majority have seen legal actions move forward,
20:06while those who joined the new majority so far not had any formal cases filed against them,
20:14despite having been publicly identified with the same brother investigation.
20:20In fact, earlier this morning, while I was also listening to the interview of Mayor Magalong of Baguio City,
20:27because he was part of ICI before he eventually left,
20:33he said that there is a total of about 240,000, no, it's not even 240,000, but 240,000
20:42flood-related, possible flood-related anomalies.
20:46So you can imagine the number of government officials that are potentially involved in this,
20:54because again, this is 240,000 potential flood control, ghost, or questionable flood control projects.
21:08So the question now that we're asking is, are these cases,
21:13so I'm referring to the cases of Senator Estrada and Senator Marcoleta,
21:19and also that of Escudero and Villanueva,
21:22are these cases simply reaching different stages at different times based on available evidence,
21:29or is there another explanation?
21:33Meanwhile, so these are the cases of the four senators, no?
21:37Now, there are also developing stories outside this realm also,
21:43because first, former DPWH Secretary Manuel Bonoan has been publicly identified also
21:52in the broader flood control investigation.
21:55In fact, if I am to share what Mayor Magalong said in that particular interview,
22:01he actually said that it's a surprise also to him listening when he was invited to share his thoughts
22:13or perspective about what happened in the flood control scandal given his capacity back then
22:22as the secretary of DPWH, Mayor Magalong actually said that he sounded like a janitor,
22:30and when he said a janitor, the context there is he sounded like he did not know anything.
22:36And according to Mayor Magalong in that particular interview,
22:40he actually said that for somebody, and I would agree with what he said also,
22:43that for somebody who is the head or the secretary of that particular department
22:48and considering the trillions of pesos that have been stolen,
22:54it's very unlikely for him actually not to have a single idea.
22:59But to the word used by Magalong, he acted like he was just a janitor.
23:03He did not know anything.
23:05So, for former Secretary Manuel Bonoan, his name also surfaced many times in testimonies by whistleblowers
23:16and has been mentioned by investigators and some public officials
23:20in relation to alleged irregularities in the DPWH flood control project.
23:26As of today, no formal criminal case has been filed against him.
23:31In fact, he is already now identified as a state witness.
23:35The other interesting development, or also non-development, depending on how we look at it,
23:42is also that of former House Speaker Martin Romualdez.
23:46He's also been publicly identified in the Ombudsman's order
23:51and other allegations into the flood control corruption scandal.
23:57He has been accused by some witnesses of benefiting from kickbacks related to public works project.
24:04And if we recall, in our previous episodes, the appropriation originates actually from the House.
24:13So, for insertions as huge as this one, and eventually allegations of scandal also
24:21in those insertions happening inside the House while he was the former Speaker,
24:27it's also very unlikely for him to also say that he had no knowledge at all about what happened.
24:35But in spite of him being tagged into the allegations, as of now,
24:40no formal plunder case has been filed against the former Speaker.
24:46Meanwhile, the National Bureau of Investigation filed a human trafficking complaint
24:52against former Congressman Mike Defensor, his wife, and several others following a raid
24:59on a KTV establishment in Pasig.
25:03Authorities said they rescued 54 women who were allegedly being sexually exploited
25:09in a prostitution and human trafficking operation.
25:13And just a refresher, who is former Congressman Mike Defensor,
25:17he happens to be the congressman that actually helped the 18 former Marines
25:25who were witnesses, supposedly, on the impeachment trial of the Vice President.
25:33So, that's where his name is attached.
25:37So, initially, the NBI filed complaints against just his wife, Julie Defensor, and their son
25:44because of corporate records allegedly linking them to the businesses operating the establishments.
25:51But subsequently, after, NBI Director Melvin Matibag announced that Mike Defensor himself
25:59would also be charged.
26:01after investigators allegedly found evidence connecting him to the operation.
26:07So, there's also what I said, a seeming pattern, no?
26:10Nga ka nang wa siya'y labot, iarang wife o giyang anak,
26:13and then eventually, a pill nag-yuday siya.
26:16Now, this is an interesting area also that we, the public, should monitor.
26:21Because under the Philippine law, human trafficking is still bailable.
26:27But once this case will graduate into qualified human trafficking,
26:34it already becomes punishable by life imprisonment.
26:38And if the court finds evidence of guilt, if they find it strong,
26:43bail is going to be denied.
26:47So, let's see also on how this case will develop.
26:52Okay, from wala siya'y labot, wala siya'y labot,
26:54and then potentially, this could lead to a possible non-bailable offense.
27:02So, as mentioned, former Congressman Defensor
27:04is likewise a correspondent in the Ombudsman's case
27:10involving the alleged $75 million in campaign donations
27:14linked to Senator Marcoleta.
27:16You see the personalities involved in recent cases
27:22that are either filed or yet to be filed.
27:27So, taken together, these cases reveal an interesting pattern.
27:32And when I say pattern, it's not yet a conclusion,
27:34but there seems to be similarities of the circumstances
27:40of public officials involved and also the circumstances
27:44in terms of their cases graduating into a graver offense,
27:50allegations of graver offense.
27:52Because some investigations have progressed
27:55through the filing of criminal complaints or cases,
27:58while others who are not the opposition,
28:02they are incidentally also with the current administration,
28:08while the others remain at the investigative stage,
28:12despite public allegations and testimony.
28:16That naturally raises questions about timing.
28:20Because let's not forget that the impeachment trial
28:27of the vice president is set to start on July 6th.
28:31And again, you see two senators.
28:34And given the numbers that's needed to impeach
28:38or not impeach,
28:40every vote, every senator actually counts.
28:45So, aside from the question of timing,
28:48there's also the question of sufficiency of evidence.
28:51Okay, unsamanda ay,
28:52puro man ni sila nakatag with allegations.
28:55But unsa da ay ang evidence
28:58attached to Senator Jinggoy,
29:01unsa da ay ang evidences that are attached to
29:04now Senator Marcoleta,
29:06are these evidence really way heavier
29:10compared to the evidences
29:12that are attached to
29:16Senator Cheese Escudero
29:18and Senator Villanueva?
29:20Unsamang gin, mas bugat nilang evidence
29:21kaya pareho man silang tag
29:23ang din hini-move forward
29:24even plunder
29:25ang din hini
29:27not moving forward.
29:28But incidentally,
29:29they were the ones who moved
29:31to the new majority.
29:32So, ana, that's a valid question to ask.
29:35And then,
29:35if we look at again
29:37on outside the Senate number na said,
29:39allegations involving
29:41the former Speaker
29:42and the former DPWH Secretary,
29:45what kind of evidence
29:46da ang naka-attach nila?
29:47Ang other cases
29:48are not moving forward at all.
29:50But ang katong human trafficking case
29:52ni former Congressman Mike Defensor
29:55paspasad kaayu.
29:56In fact,
29:57in the interview that he gave this morning,
29:59there are already a total of eight cases
30:01that he is facing.
30:03So, incidentally,
30:04he's also with the opposition.
30:06So, what kind of evidence
30:08says they ay
30:08mas bugat yun ang ila,
30:10ang anong ila amang case
30:11ang ni move forward, no?
30:13And then,
30:15prosecutional discretion.
30:16Because as we can see,
30:17the ombudsman, no,
30:18is a significant
30:21party
30:22or character, no,
30:23in this narrative, no?
30:25And the other one also
30:26is the pace
30:27of the justice system.
30:28Why faster
30:29kung opposition?
30:30And then,
30:32hinay, no?
30:33When it comes to people
30:34identified also
30:35with the administration.
30:37Many of the public officials
30:39who have had criminal cases
30:41filed against them
30:42are associated
30:43with political opposition
30:45and
30:46or have been critical
30:48of the current administration.
30:50While other personalities
30:51who have also been
30:52publicly identified
30:53in investigations
30:54so far
30:56had no formal cases
30:58filed against them.
30:59So, today,
31:00we look deeper
31:01and think better.
31:02And so,
31:03that's why we are
31:04going beyond
31:05the headlines.
31:06So, I think I've already
31:07made several
31:08commentaries already
31:09relating to these cases
31:10as I read, no?
31:12But,
31:13so,
31:13I'll just
31:14get into
31:15some other details
31:17na lang
31:17which I have not
31:18shared
31:20just yet, no?
31:21So,
31:21katong, katong,
31:22katong,
31:22katong gishare earlier
31:24sa ito ang Sunstar
31:25correspondence,
31:26si 3rd Ann Malonzo.
31:27It's a developing
31:29case
31:29kay
31:30kanang
31:31kanang
31:32Senator Marcoleta
31:33is part of
31:34INC
31:34and then
31:36and so
31:36let's see
31:38how this
31:38will continue
31:39to unfold.
31:39The other thing
31:40also that I've
31:41gathered at least
31:41earlier today
31:42the moment
31:42I saw
31:43this developing
31:44story
31:45is the
31:46INC
31:46is also
31:47trying to
31:48distance
31:48themselves
31:49from
31:49political
31:51kanang
31:52discourse,
31:53no?
31:53So,
31:53I would be
31:54interested
31:54also on
31:55who will be
31:56invited
31:56to actually
31:57speak
31:57on stage,
31:58no?
31:59Because
31:59the INC
32:00at least
32:01from what
32:01they released
32:02earlier today
32:03would say
32:03that
32:04they would
32:05not allow
32:05the rally
32:06to evolve
32:07into something
32:08that is
32:08polarizing,
32:09no?
32:09When I say
32:09polarizing,
32:10kanang
32:11basig,
32:12kanang
32:12apilon
32:12ang mga
32:13topics
32:13about
32:14corrupt
32:14officials
32:15and
32:15justifying
32:16them.
32:16So,
32:16I will
32:17not name
32:17them
32:17na lang.
32:18But the
32:19interesting
32:19piece
32:19actually
32:19it's
32:20because
32:20all of
32:20these
32:21are
32:21just
32:21allegations.
32:22who are
32:23we also
32:23to say
32:24that
32:24these
32:25perceived
32:26to be
32:26corrupt
32:27political
32:28officials
32:29are
32:30exactly
32:30guilty.
32:32So,
32:32when they draw
32:33the line
32:33that can
32:33speak,
32:34can you
32:35not?
32:35Because
32:36allegations-wise,
32:38they're
32:38not guilty
32:41just yet.
32:42So,
32:42that's why
32:43it's an
32:43interesting
32:44piece
32:44on how
32:45this rally
32:46would
32:46eventually
32:48unfold.
32:48And also,
32:49before I
32:52close this
32:53episode,
32:53let's
32:54continue
32:54also to
32:55have
32:55a more
32:56critical
32:57mindset
32:57when we
32:58look at
32:59these
32:59developments.
33:00Because
33:00I'm not
33:01exactly
33:01saying,
33:02when I
33:02said that
33:03there is
33:03a
33:03pattern,
33:04I'm
33:04not
33:04saying
33:05that
33:05there's
33:05already
33:06a
33:06deliberate
33:06effort
33:07coming
33:08from
33:08the
33:08administration
33:09to
33:10persecute
33:10those
33:11who are
33:11critical
33:12of the
33:12administration
33:13or those
33:14who are
33:14in the
33:14opposition.
33:14I'm
33:15not
33:15saying
33:16it.
33:16But
33:17the
33:17reason
33:17why I
33:17would
33:17encourage
33:18the
33:18public
33:18to
33:18monitor
33:19this
33:19so
33:20that
33:20we
33:20would
33:20be
33:20able
33:21to
33:21come
33:21at
33:21a
33:21point
33:22that
33:23we
33:23are
33:23able
33:24to
33:24make
33:24that
33:25decision
33:25already.
33:26I
33:26think
33:26this
33:27is
33:27a
33:27persecution
33:28or
33:28I
33:29think
33:29this
33:29is
33:29just
33:30coincidence.
33:31So
33:31let's
33:32continue
33:32to
33:32monitor
33:33as
33:33all
33:34these
33:34events
33:34would
33:35continue
33:35to
33:36unfold.
33:36And
33:37I
33:37would
33:37have
33:37to
33:38say
33:38that
33:38the
33:38more
33:39we
33:39should
33:39have
33:40due
33:40diligence
33:41as
33:41the
33:41general
33:42public
33:42as
33:43July
33:436
33:44is
33:45going
33:45to
33:46move
33:47closer
33:48towards
33:48July
33:496.
33:50And
33:50hopefully
33:51when the
33:52trial
33:52also
33:53starts
33:53let's
33:54be
33:54more
33:54mindful
33:55and
33:56make
33:57time
33:57to
33:57actually
33:58be
33:58present.
33:59I
33:59would
33:59really
34:00echo
34:01what our
34:02political
34:03science
34:03expert
34:04when she
34:05guessed
34:05that.
34:05At
34:06this
34:06point
34:06it's
34:07really
34:07important
34:07for
34:08us
34:08to
34:08be
34:08present.
34:08And
34:08when she
34:09said
34:09present
34:09let's
34:10not
34:10just
34:11read
34:11the
34:11headlines.
34:12That's
34:12why
34:12we
34:13have
34:13this
34:13program
34:13beyond
34:14the
34:14headlines.
34:15We
34:17already
34:18claim
34:18that
34:18we
34:18already
34:19know.
34:19But
34:20if
34:20we
34:20really
34:20dig
34:21deeper
34:21beyond
34:22the
34:22headlines
34:22that's
34:23when
34:23we
34:23would
34:23see
34:23certain
34:24nuances
34:24certain
34:25patterns
34:25and
34:26certain
34:26facts.
34:27So
34:27let's
34:27continue
34:27to
34:28be
34:29present.
34:30So
34:32if
34:32you
34:33have
34:33your
34:33comments
34:33we
34:34would
34:34read
34:34them.
34:34If
34:34you
34:35have
34:35questions
34:35we
34:35would
34:35also
34:36still
34:36respond
34:37even
34:37if
34:37the
34:38episode
34:38has
34:39already
34:39ended.
34:40So
34:40as
34:41we
34:41end
34:41today's
34:41episode
34:42let's
34:42ask
34:43ourselves
34:43what
34:44kind
34:44of
34:45country
34:45do
34:46we
34:46want
34:46to
34:47be?
34:47A
34:48country
34:48where
34:49the
34:49law
34:49is
34:49feared
34:50because
34:51it
34:51is
34:51used
34:52against
34:52some
34:53or
34:54a
34:54country
34:54where
34:55the
34:55law
34:55is
34:55respected
34:56because
34:57it
34:57protects
34:58everyone
34:59equally.
35:00Trust
35:01is
35:01built
35:01when
35:02justice
35:02is
35:03consistent.
35:04Trust
35:05is
35:05built
35:06when
35:06institutions
35:07are
35:07transparent
35:08and
35:09trust
35:10is
35:10built
35:10when
35:11those
35:11in
35:11power
35:11are
35:12held
35:13to
35:13the
35:13same
35:13standards
35:14as
35:15everyone
35:15else.
35:17Justice
35:18should
35:18never
35:18wear
35:19a
35:19political
35:20color.
35:21So
35:22I'm
35:22DJ
35:22Moises
35:22and
35:23thanks
35:23to
35:23Coffee
35:24First
35:24for
35:24supporting
35:25conversations
35:26that
35:26matter.
35:27This
35:27has
35:27been
35:28Beyond
35:28the
35:28Headlines.
35:29Look
35:30deeper,
35:31think
35:31better,
35:32have
35:33a
35:33good
35:33afternoon.
35:38It
35:39starts
35:40with a
35:40fresh
35:40shot
35:41of
35:41espresso.
35:43Bold,
35:44rich,
35:45pulled
35:46just
35:46right.
35:48Then
35:49comes
35:49the
35:50milk,
35:50steamed
35:51smooth,
35:52free,
35:52and
35:53balanced.
35:54The
35:54perfect
35:54latte
35:55is
35:55not
35:56brushed.
35:56It
35:57is
35:57crafted
35:57one
35:58cup
35:59at
35:59a
35:59time.
36:01Your
36:01perfect
36:01latte
36:01is
36:02ready.
36:03Coffee
36:03first,
36:05then
36:05everything
36:06else.
36:06is
36:08to
36:08have
36:08others.
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