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Billions are poured into flood control projects—yet questions of corruption remain. Why is this happening, and what can be done?
Beyond the Headlines goes in-depth on corruption in flood control projects, a pressing issue now confronting the Philippines. Joining us is political analyst Niño Olayvar to unpack how this affects governance and the public.
Beyond the Headlines goes in-depth on corruption in flood control projects, a pressing issue now confronting the Philippines. Joining us is political analyst Niño Olayvar to unpack how this affects governance and the public.
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00:02:00Today's conversation will begin with a timely and crucial topic, corruption.
00:02:07You see it very often on our page one stories and Sunstar.
00:02:12It is a deep-rooted issue that affects governance, public service, and development across all sectors.
00:02:18We'll explore its causes, consequences, and possible solutions from both academic and civic perspectives.
00:02:27And joining us to shed light in this issue is a faculty member from the Department of Political Science of the University of San Carlos.
00:02:35We have Nino Olaybar.
00:02:38Good afternoon, sir.
00:02:39Good afternoon.
00:02:40Good afternoon.
00:02:40Good afternoon.
00:02:40Good afternoon to our listeners and viewers.
00:02:43Okay.
00:02:43In person, it's a person.
00:02:45It's a person who's in person.
00:02:45The last time I interviewed Nino was online.
00:02:50It's a phone patch to Sir, no?
00:02:52Or Zoom.
00:02:53Zoom to Zoom.
00:02:54So, karoon, makita na ginimu, the voice, ang tingog, ang naong, o sana, nagkuyag na gin sila.
00:03:00So, to start, kanang, di ba, muragkaroon makurat kita sa mga storya, sa corruption stories, no?
00:03:0714 luxury vehicles, kanang, travels left and right, mamahaw ko aninga lugar, in another country, maniudto ko in another country, kanang...
00:03:17Mga branded clothes, no?
00:03:19Naasa Shopee.
00:03:20Instead of our money, our money na.
00:03:23Yes, our money.
00:03:25It's no longer yours, it's ours.
00:03:28Kanang siya ba?
00:03:28So, kanang...
00:03:30I don't know if kanang sakto ba siya.
00:03:32So, there seem more insatiable ang ilahan greed for, for, ano.
00:03:37So, and all this, naasa sa corruption.
00:03:40And we should understand, mga higa lang, ang corruption di lang kwarta.
00:03:44Corruption comes in different forms, different shapes, different, ano.
00:03:49Even in church na, ah.
00:03:51Bisag-asa ka, sa eskwilahan na, ah.
00:03:53Hindi kakasabot.
00:03:55So, nga nung inani ta.
00:03:58Mauna akong panguta na nga nung inani ang Pilipino.
00:04:00Kung naa sa Pilipinas.
00:04:03Pero, Filipinos abroad, you see a different face.
00:04:08You see a different Filipino when they're abroad.
00:04:11Nga nung mana siya, Nins?
00:04:13Siguro, dag-dag factors,
00:04:15diligid siya, corruption,
00:04:17and similar to any other social phenomena,
00:04:20or political phenomena,
00:04:22diligid siya ma-reduce to any single factor or influence niya.
00:04:26So, in our case, ito pang namensyon,
00:04:29diligid lang niya siya,
00:04:31atong ma-observe, no?
00:04:32Nga,
00:04:32when we see people,
00:04:35or Filipinos,
00:04:35nga,
00:04:36mabutang salain nga situation,
00:04:38there's a change in behavior.
00:04:39So, maybe it's not just the single person,
00:04:41but also the things that influence them,
00:04:45individually in terms of behavior.
00:04:48And the larger story right now of corruption being the case of government function,
00:04:55to be specific,
00:04:56has raised that alarm to a whole new level.
00:04:59So, I think,
00:05:00nag-isgut na ta ganina daan,
00:05:01o unsan may mga values,
00:05:04a source of these practices.
00:05:09Individually,
00:05:10we may have the tendency,
00:05:12and unsan na nga tendency,
00:05:14asana siya gikan,
00:05:15pwede the way we were brought up,
00:05:18ato ang social environment,
00:05:20ato ang kultura mismo,
00:05:22or even our identity,
00:05:23atong gay,
00:05:24na inisyal nag-discuss ka ganina,
00:05:26na all of this may have a direct influence in terms of behavior.
00:05:30But siguro,
00:05:31before ta mo proceed to that,
00:05:34ato ang maklaro,
00:05:35when we talk about corruption,
00:05:37and what it is.
00:05:38So, in terms of kung anong ba,
00:05:39parameters ka,
00:05:40di li man san tanan nga mga practices,
00:05:45makonsider na to as part of corruption,
00:05:48as the political phenomena.
00:05:49We can say that a person is corrupt,
00:05:51or it is a corrupt practice,
00:05:53but corruption as a phenomena,
00:05:54what distinguishes it from all other
00:05:57bati nga binuhatan,
00:05:59or sa ipagpangawat,
00:06:00is that it deals with public assets,
00:06:03or public interest ginsya.
00:06:05So, usually,
00:06:06kinsa man ang mubuhat anang nga mga actions,
00:06:08those that are given the authority
00:06:10to deal or decide on public assets.
00:06:13So, these are public officials,
00:06:14whether elected or not.
00:06:18I think na ay trust na issue.
00:06:20But there's a trust issue there,
00:06:21because you elected these people,
00:06:23because you trusted them
00:06:24that they will do the right thing,
00:06:26the right thing,
00:06:27not just the right thing,
00:06:28but protect the interest
00:06:29of the majority,
00:06:30the people, di ba?
00:06:31So, di na lang sa money,
00:06:34or sa assets,
00:06:35sa financial aspect na mawa,
00:06:36but it's the breach,
00:06:37it's the breach of trust.
00:06:39Breach of trust.
00:06:40Interesting nga notion,
00:06:42because one of the dominant literature
00:06:44definition of corruption
00:06:46is rupture on that relations,
00:06:49or say,
00:06:49that relations,
00:06:50nag-assume siya o trust,
00:06:51o pagsalig.
00:06:53Himo ang gobyerno,
00:06:54o nagbutanggag mga tao sa gobyerno,
00:06:56is it form of pagsalig,
00:06:58na sila ang muhimuog decisions para ninyo,
00:07:01muhimog programs,
00:07:02that are for the public,
00:07:04not for themselves,
00:07:05but for the public.
00:07:05That's why we give them the authority.
00:07:07So, apel na ang paghatag nilang tax,
00:07:09kwarta,
00:07:10ang police powers,
00:07:11ang eminent domain,
00:07:12all the powers of the state,
00:07:14di ka na sa ito ang individual sovereignty,
00:07:16ghatag nila,
00:07:18ghisalig na ito nila.
00:07:20Pero before they got to
00:07:23where they are today,
00:07:25there was also a process.
00:07:28They did not become who they are today,
00:07:31or they did not become corrupt,
00:07:33without the process
00:07:35that they got themselves into.
00:07:37So, if we zoom out a little bit,
00:07:41unsas ato ang,
00:07:42is it history,
00:07:44our educational system,
00:07:46our family ties,
00:07:48that's also contributing
00:07:50to that behavior.
00:07:52Now, once we are in power,
00:07:54we would tend to seize the opportunity.
00:07:56And continue to stay in power.
00:07:59Yes.
00:08:01Yeah,
00:08:02saging ngon pa ganina,
00:08:03dili siya ako,
00:08:04paranako,
00:08:05based on the existing literature,
00:08:07for example,
00:08:08different ang explanations nila,
00:08:09or attempt to explain it,
00:08:11doesn't mean nga,
00:08:13ma-reduced siya to one.
00:08:14For example,
00:08:14there's a study,
00:08:16tracing it to our history,
00:08:18political history,
00:08:20shifts from the period of colonization,
00:08:23balin-balin,
00:08:24tasalan-layin ng mga colonizers,
00:08:25and therefore,
00:08:26pag-emerge sa mga political institutions
00:08:28that we have right now,
00:08:30although,
00:08:30they are deemed to be,
00:08:32yes,
00:08:32there is an influence,
00:08:33although,
00:08:34for example,
00:08:34from the Spanish colonization,
00:08:37shifted to the American period,
00:08:38ang ito ang gikoptan karoon ng mga forma sa institution,
00:08:42o ang principles that are supposedly embedded in these institutions,
00:08:46came from the Americans.
00:08:47So,
00:08:48kinupia siya,
00:08:48dili siya gikuha na ito,
00:08:50based on who we are.
00:08:52Yes.
00:08:53So,
00:08:54and partly because,
00:08:55kita said,
00:08:56contestedly,
00:08:59maglisod pata
00:09:00og identify sa atong identity,
00:09:01because,
00:09:02we were not a nation
00:09:03of people
00:09:05prior to colonization.
00:09:06Buag-buag man ta,
00:09:07lalain man og kinaiya,
00:09:09ang atong nationhood is very small,
00:09:10no?
00:09:11Very tribal in nature.
00:09:13So,
00:09:13when the Spaniards came
00:09:15and colonized,
00:09:15at we were,
00:09:16colonized as,
00:09:17gibutang ta into a one political,
00:09:19a single political system,
00:09:21that identity that we shared,
00:09:22started with
00:09:23a very negative nga situation,
00:09:25that we were oppressed,
00:09:26that we were,
00:09:27di ba?
00:09:27And we were slaves.
00:09:28We were slaves.
00:09:29So,
00:09:30ang atong sense of national identity
00:09:32came from that.
00:09:34Although,
00:09:34there were resistance,
00:09:36pero dugey ta nakaabot sa point nga,
00:09:38naka-create taog,
00:09:40substantive nga,
00:09:41force of resistance para,
00:09:42300 years na nids.
00:09:44Yes.
00:09:45300 years na nids.
00:09:46Yes.
00:09:46And then,
00:09:47by the time nga,
00:09:48pwede na unta,
00:09:49kay,
00:09:49no?
00:09:50Some other colonizer came in,
00:09:51and culture,
00:09:52our culture,
00:09:53that was already shaped,
00:09:54back then,
00:09:56na challenge,
00:09:56or na shift na po siya.
00:09:57So,
00:09:58maybe these things,
00:09:59also factored in,
00:10:00in how,
00:10:01we had a hard time,
00:10:02in identifying ourselves.
00:10:04So,
00:10:05mas easier na to,
00:10:06nga,
00:10:06adapt na na to,
00:10:07yung American nga,
00:10:08nga format,
00:10:08because it,
00:10:09it worked for them.
00:10:10So,
00:10:10a constitution,
00:10:11ato ang,
00:10:12almost everything else,
00:10:14in our political system,
00:10:15is adapted.
00:10:15Mala na akong gilibugan.
00:10:17Gigan sa Spain,
00:10:19nag Japan ta,
00:10:20then nag US ta.
00:10:21Kaning all three countries,
00:10:23they are big progressive countries now.
00:10:27Unsa ba'y nakuha na to from them,
00:10:28is it all the bad DNAs?
00:10:30That's why we are like this?
00:10:32Why are we not getting the good DNAs?
00:10:34Para progressive sata like them.
00:10:36Mala na akong gilibugan ba nga.
00:10:37Look at Spain now.
00:10:39Spain is,
00:10:39kanang,
00:10:40anumang git siya in Europe.
00:10:42Japan is,
00:10:43is one country nga,
00:10:45imugid,
00:10:45very strong.
00:10:46And it's one of the,
00:10:47kwan,
00:10:48honest countries,
00:10:49no,
00:10:50in the,
00:10:50in the index ka ng CPI.
00:10:53Yeah,
00:10:53and US is,
00:10:55like,
00:10:55you know,
00:10:55mga atching ang US,
00:10:56tanang kita gipang sipun,
00:10:58meros yung inana ba.
00:10:59So,
00:10:59these,
00:11:00yeah,
00:11:00these big countries,
00:11:02niagi na to,
00:11:03pero nga no,
00:11:04laging inanita ron.
00:11:05Are we getting the,
00:11:06ang nasunod na to,
00:11:08ang bad values ba nila?
00:11:09Well,
00:11:10mainly because,
00:11:11ang colonization itself,
00:11:14subject man ta.
00:11:15So,
00:11:15kita ang naka-absorb sa all the,
00:11:18the power that they induce na panas.
00:11:20So,
00:11:21ang natural,
00:11:22na mahimong result niya,
00:11:23kaya kita ang bati,
00:11:24ang notion na to,
00:11:25of the values are,
00:11:27you know,
00:11:27while we try to imitate them,
00:11:29what a kadevelop,
00:11:29o gato ang kagalingan.
00:11:30And in fact,
00:11:32ang nature sa relationship
00:11:33is an equal,
00:11:34so,
00:11:34most of the resources,
00:11:36ang kinaiyagin,
00:11:37is magkuha na sila resources din.
00:11:39Ilahang gamit ton.
00:11:40So,
00:11:41mo lang nilambo sila.
00:11:42Part of them being developed economies
00:11:43is because,
00:11:44they've instructed a lot from us.
00:11:46So,
00:11:47I know that you mentioned that
00:11:48there are several factors,
00:11:50no?
00:11:50Pero,
00:11:51can we,
00:11:52categorically tie it also,
00:11:55to our colonial past?
00:11:57As part of the drivers.
00:11:59Yes,
00:11:59there's a study,
00:12:00by,
00:12:01I forget the last name,
00:12:03Marco.
00:12:04Is it Marco,
00:12:05or Marco yung first name?
00:12:07And he traced the history of,
00:12:09corruption,
00:12:10corruption,
00:12:11in our political history.
00:12:13So,
00:12:14that includes
00:12:15the Spanish period,
00:12:16but only a brief
00:12:17part,
00:12:19or introductory lang,
00:12:20because,
00:12:20again,
00:12:20what we have now,
00:12:21as the political institutions,
00:12:22we follow,
00:12:23and the principles,
00:12:24and mechanisms,
00:12:25are from the Americans.
00:12:27So,
00:12:27it's a portion of the discussion,
00:12:30rooted from
00:12:31Americanization
00:12:32of Philippine politics.
00:12:34And,
00:12:34it's a part of this,
00:12:36in the period,
00:12:37it's a part of the corruption.
00:12:40For example,
00:12:40in the post-war period,
00:12:42since we are still trying to rebuild,
00:12:44so,
00:12:44the focus on the government,
00:12:46when it's back to the economy,
00:12:48infrastructure,
00:12:49etc.
00:12:49So,
00:12:49the form of corruption,
00:12:51back then,
00:12:52there's already a form of money,
00:12:54because,
00:12:54there's no form of money,
00:12:56because,
00:12:56the fund for infrastructure,
00:12:59and then,
00:12:59the funds from GOWAS,
00:13:00because we're trying to loan,
00:13:02money for rebuilding,
00:13:04and rehabilitation.
00:13:05So,
00:13:06corruption is not just one,
00:13:07not just that,
00:13:08it's the other forms,
00:13:11like nepotism,
00:13:12it started all the way back.
00:13:13And,
00:13:14the names that you hear,
00:13:15in the political world,
00:13:17right now,
00:13:17are the same names,
00:13:19post-war period.
00:13:21Yes,
00:13:21the oligarchs,
00:13:25we are being,
00:13:26the Philippines,
00:13:26is just controlled,
00:13:27by 20% of its population.
00:13:29So,
00:13:29it's now in an abama.
00:13:30Is this,
00:13:31if there's a new name,
00:13:33maybe,
00:13:34the old name,
00:13:35what he did,
00:13:36I think,
00:13:38what he did,
00:13:38but now,
00:13:39it's a new name,
00:13:41that's why it's not going to be a new one.
00:13:41So,
00:13:41it's not going to be connections to those people.
00:13:45So,
00:13:45it's connected to it.
00:13:46Even,
00:13:46it's connected to it,
00:13:47it's a different phenomena,
00:13:48parallel phenomena,
00:13:49political dynasties.
00:13:51One of the components of corruption,
00:13:54or the factors for corruption,
00:13:55is concentration of wealth,
00:13:57in the people,
00:13:58they have to decide.
00:13:59That's true.
00:14:00So,
00:14:01given this factor,
00:14:03how resilient,
00:14:04no,
00:14:05is corruption in the Philippines,
00:14:08versus the anti-corruption measures,
00:14:11that we are attempting to put in place?
00:14:15It's a challenging history for us.
00:14:18Trace this race in the corruption,
00:14:20there are efforts.
00:14:22Because,
00:14:22it's been easier than them.
00:14:23It's not like,
00:14:24Andrew,
00:14:25no,
00:14:25it's not easier than other people.
00:14:27or darle,
00:14:28it's more expensive.
00:14:31To be reckon,
00:14:32where you'll live in a place where you get hit,
00:14:34but you'd love to dance,
00:14:36keeping your head missing.
00:14:36You should.
00:14:37You are too old.
00:14:38The point from me,
00:14:38at least in Philippine history,
00:14:41This is what it is, the point is to expose to some extent.
00:14:45For example, the rise to power by Marcos Sr. was out of the criticisms of the previous administrations in relation to budget use and other cases.
00:14:56In the same way, he has reached his position, or he has controlled the Philippines for more than 20 years,
00:15:03issues of corruption was one of the main issues why people were distrustful of the government, overthrew him.
00:15:09It was a long time, and it was a long time, and it was a long time.
00:15:12So, resilient corruption in a way, despite the measures that we try to adapt, it's not like we don't have laws for it.
00:15:21It's not like it's a long time.
00:15:22Actually, corruption, if I go back to science, it's a solid liquid gas.
00:15:26It's a liquid.
00:15:28It's great.
00:15:30It's a fluid.
00:15:32It's a fluid.
00:15:34It's a fluid.
00:15:36It's a fluid.
00:15:38So, I've been covering politics for so long.
00:15:46It's a long time to unravel corruption.
00:15:49It's a suspension.
00:15:50There are ordinances, laws in place.
00:15:53If I go back to science, it's a fluid.
00:15:55It's a fluid.
00:15:57I don't know.
00:15:58Maybe because our prosecution is, ah, if they're sick, they're sick.
00:16:08They're sick.
00:16:09They're sick.
00:16:10They're sick.
00:16:11They're sick.
00:16:12They're sick.
00:16:13Yeah.
00:16:14We, we, we, easily, dali, kitang makalimut, God, sa sa, sa mga nakasaan at o ka lang, we, we, we forget.
00:16:20I'm not sure if we forgive.
00:16:22But, oh, good.
00:16:23Yeah.
00:16:24Kung karoon ganin, ang, ang, ang corruption hearings karoon, kanawak sa mo'y nag.
00:16:28Yeah.
00:16:29It's true.
00:16:30It's true.
00:16:31Sa Senate, mangbali ba atak, mabalibo?
00:16:32Oh, God, di ba?
00:16:33Kamusan?
00:16:34Mga kwan man eh, convicted.
00:16:35Yes, convicted.
00:16:36Exactly.
00:16:37Dili ni sila accused, but they were in jail for corruption.
00:16:40But look at them na, kumanguta na murag yun silag kurek.
00:16:45Yeah.
00:16:46So, so looking at the, kanang, corruption perception index, no, or CPI, kanang murag resilient yun ang corruption,
00:16:56because in the Philippines because if we look at how we are scoring so the same
00:17:04score through the years
00:17:18and the numbers will actually tell us that we are among the highly corrupt
00:17:24through the years
00:17:26I think there is a reason for investors to invest in the Philippines
00:17:31or aside from the other side
00:17:34for the next three years, the next thing is that there is a lot of administration
00:17:41there is a lot of requirements
00:17:43so you can invest and invest and invest, it's really very difficult
00:17:48and then it's also interesting because we can see that other countries in the Asia-Pacific
00:17:54region like Singapore
00:17:56like Japan
00:17:57they're doing very well in terms of keeping the country honest
00:18:04so what's with these countries?
00:18:08why they can do it?
00:18:10and what's with us?
00:18:11why we are always in this level?
00:18:14I think the values of the people, the shared values of the people
00:18:20not shared in the sense that it is common to see
00:18:24at the very individual
00:18:28they're not common to see
00:18:30usually if you speak in the same boat
00:18:32it's only a hundred thousand dollars
00:18:35or a hundred thousand dollars
00:18:38up until such time when it's not yet
00:18:40times you want to be able to brush
00:18:43So, the amount of your dishonesty also changes everything.
00:18:48You don't have to pay off.
00:18:49You don't have to pay off.
00:18:50You don't have to pay off.
00:18:51You don't have to pay off.
00:18:52You don't have to pay off.
00:18:53And also, the level of access to this,
00:18:59the opportunities,
00:19:00and the authority to be able to get away with it.
00:19:04So, the access to these opportunities.
00:19:09In countries, more advanced countries,
00:19:11more stable, more linked on the political system,
00:19:13that they are able to really exact measures
00:19:17or employ measures at the onset,
00:19:21that they don't have to pay off.
00:19:23They are still doing it.
00:19:25I think that's a factor for the economy.
00:19:29Singapore and Japan started,
00:19:33the economic conditions were relatively bad.
00:19:38Japan started off the war.
00:19:40Singapore was a very small country.
00:19:42Offshoot it was in Malaysia.
00:19:44So, they did not...
00:19:47I don't necessarily think
00:19:49the values alone emerged out of nowhere.
00:19:52It emerged something as a product of material conditions.
00:19:56The material conditions,
00:19:58I think that's why I put a portion of the economy.
00:20:00So, when they focus on their economy,
00:20:02Singapore focused on the economy.
00:20:04Japan focused on the economy.
00:20:05Before she opened,
00:20:06before she became influential in the region,
00:20:10she built it.
00:20:12So, there is no reason
00:20:13for the people to minimize
00:20:14or minimize the influences
00:20:16for values like corrupt practices,
00:20:19when you're in prison,
00:20:20you're going to cultivate.
00:20:21You're going to be a stable man.
00:20:22You're going to be a stable man.
00:20:22So,
00:20:24there's food security.
00:20:24But if you're in the economy,
00:20:26very competitive,
00:20:28very self-one,
00:20:29manningkamot,
00:20:30kanya-kanya rataguan.
00:20:31So,
00:20:32for those who have lesser opportunities,
00:20:34magkagamay,
00:20:35magkagamay ang choices,
00:20:36so,
00:20:37makultivate sa...
00:20:38I think it's okay na siguro
00:20:39eh,
00:20:39para mo survive ko.
00:20:40Hantod,
00:20:41mag-justify,
00:20:41hantod,
00:20:41mag-justify.
00:20:42So,
00:20:42ang culture niya,
00:20:43mag-develop from that condition.
00:20:44I think,
00:20:44starting sa katong panahon
00:20:46sa Spaniards,
00:20:48di ba,
00:20:49atong food security
00:20:50was really very,
00:20:52kanang...
00:20:53Naata,
00:20:53we have the resources,
00:20:54but yet,
00:20:55nga nung,
00:20:56luoy kayo atong mga Pilipino,
00:20:58asa niad to ang resources,
00:21:00kanasi siya.
00:21:01And even,
00:21:02during the American time,
00:21:04daghan sa tong resources,
00:21:06what...
00:21:06Excessive.
00:21:06Gida outside,
00:21:08we were robbed
00:21:09of these resources,
00:21:10so,
00:21:11marapag,
00:21:12iunta,
00:21:13kung katong pagpanghawa nilang tanan,
00:21:15ni-rebuild ta,
00:21:17on food security,
00:21:19on our,
00:21:20kanang atong economy,
00:21:21siguro,
00:21:22I mean,
00:21:23siguro lang,
00:21:23di mangko-koan.
00:21:24Well,
00:21:24ang-koan po,
00:21:24d'kay,
00:21:25process sa decolonization,
00:21:27happened only with Americans,
00:21:29kay practically,
00:21:30giba,
00:21:30ligya man taas mga
00:21:31Spaniards and Americans.
00:21:32So,
00:21:33wala gwi,
00:21:33full nga.
00:21:34Ah,
00:21:35pwede taa maka-decide na,
00:21:36mo start up from scratch,
00:21:37wala tayo nana.
00:21:37And then,
00:21:38when the Americans did it,
00:21:40they made sure na,
00:21:42na sila control,
00:21:44they,
00:21:44we are at their,
00:21:45yeah,
00:21:45commonwealth,
00:21:46before tanilagi ko,
00:21:47ang commonwealth republic,
00:21:49was instituted,
00:21:50to make sure na,
00:21:50okay,
00:21:51ifollow ninyo mo ang template,
00:21:53ha?
00:21:53Then,
00:21:54by the time that you are given the independence,
00:21:56magpirmatag-treaty nga,
00:21:59dapat ka mo,
00:22:00o kita,
00:22:00magtabangan mo na mo,
00:22:02economically and militarily,
00:22:04so,
00:22:04ito ang,
00:22:04ito ang,
00:22:04ito ang,
00:22:04ito ang,
00:22:04military,
00:22:06mutual defense treaty,
00:22:07military bases,
00:22:08and then,
00:22:09for the economy,
00:22:09ito ang,
00:22:10laurel-language agreement,
00:22:11mga,
00:22:12agreements nga mo,
00:22:13prescribe nga,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:14ito ang,
00:22:15ito ang,
00:22:16economically,
00:22:16are American products,
00:22:17western products.
00:22:18So,
00:22:19all this time,
00:22:21as we started,
00:22:22dependent na,
00:22:23na,
00:22:23na,
00:22:23sa,
00:22:23un saang,
00:22:24i-feed sa,
00:22:25to,
00:22:25sa,
00:22:26America,
00:22:27instead of,
00:22:27as building ourselves,
00:22:29from scratch,
00:22:30nga,
00:22:30bahala na,
00:22:31o,
00:22:31ka nang,
00:22:33so,
00:22:33you build a solid foundation,
00:22:35ba,
00:22:35dili ka nag-build,
00:22:36o,
00:22:37something nga,
00:22:37kung kwaon ang straw,
00:22:39hugma ka,
00:22:40just like,
00:22:40when,
00:22:41when,
00:22:41you know,
00:22:41he increased the tariff,
00:22:43so,
00:22:43like,
00:22:44kapakapa ka nang,
00:22:45ano,
00:22:45ano,
00:22:45nasa yung historic,
00:22:47muna ako ang,
00:22:48assertion na,
00:22:49nasa yung historical roots,
00:22:50in that,
00:22:50in that sense,
00:22:51no,
00:22:52institutionally,
00:22:52diha nagsugod,
00:22:54and then,
00:22:54in terms of culture,
00:22:55atong conditions,
00:22:56were really,
00:22:57not shaped to,
00:22:59to be stable,
00:23:01so,
00:23:01ang ma-develop na culture,
00:23:02kay kanya,
00:23:03kanya,
00:23:03ma-justify,
00:23:05later nga,
00:23:05pang-urako.
00:23:06Sige,
00:23:07before tamo pa dahin,
00:23:08sir,
00:23:08kaya morag na,
00:23:08na-nay dagahan mo,
00:23:09appeal,
00:23:09upang nakana itong story,
00:23:11pero morag,
00:23:11tan ako daghag,
00:23:12nagtan ako nga,
00:23:13mga,
00:23:13kaila si,
00:23:15kanang ninyo din,
00:23:16si Ruvel Relivo,
00:23:17shout out ko,
00:23:18sir,
00:23:19si,
00:23:19ansan na,
00:23:20si Alexis Ponsalan,
00:23:22yes,
00:23:22ibagsak ang political dynasties,
00:23:24how can you,
00:23:25trample political dynasties,
00:23:26when the ones who are going to rule on that,
00:23:29are themselves,
00:23:30the political dynasties,
00:23:32okay,
00:23:33si Alex,
00:23:34gaya po nain siya,
00:23:34very meaningful discussion,
00:23:37si,
00:23:38kaning Ronald Lopez,
00:23:40karaanin na to siya nga,
00:23:41kanang follower,
00:23:42fan,
00:23:43ganyan na to,
00:23:44resilient ang corruption,
00:23:45kay gitolerate sa mga tao,
00:23:47well,
00:23:48tinood na,
00:23:49elections,
00:23:49makita manggid na to,
00:23:50bisag kapila na nag-i-accuse,
00:23:52atong mayor,
00:23:53atong kinsa pa na din ha,
00:23:55but because ng hatag,
00:23:56o 500 kada eleksyon,
00:23:58go,
00:23:58so,
00:23:59malagi,
00:23:59conditions na ganyan mo,
00:24:00mo dawat,
00:24:01yung ka,
00:24:01kayo,
00:24:01wakay mo katawin siya,
00:24:04ako ni gbahin,
00:24:05mo ginaan na ba,
00:24:06inyo dag ko,
00:24:07gibahin na nga ko ninyo,
00:24:08sa dawaton ko ni,
00:24:09mo rin siya ginaan na nga mindset,
00:24:10na pa,
00:24:11si Ronald niya pun,
00:24:12dili makalid ang tao,
00:24:14to be better,
00:24:15and be strong for everyone,
00:24:16kay,
00:24:17mo lagi ang corruption,
00:24:18even,
00:24:19in an agency,
00:24:20even,
00:24:20ang janitor na ay bahin,
00:24:21then,
00:24:24maodili kasagaran,
00:24:25makalid ang mentality,
00:24:27kay musunod-sunod raman,
00:24:29huwag maumanga ni ingon,
00:24:31sa mga karaan,
00:24:32na to follow and obey,
00:24:35so,
00:24:35mo na sila,
00:24:36pag sila sa at mismo na,
00:24:37it's nice,
00:24:38no,
00:24:39na you're speaking out,
00:24:40kay,
00:24:41we're talking of our country,
00:24:43di ba,
00:24:44and who we are,
00:24:45kinsa mga tangan,
00:24:46why are we like this,
00:24:47and government is people,
00:24:49so,
00:24:50how are we contributing,
00:24:51to both the problem,
00:24:53and the solution,
00:24:54no,
00:24:55sige,
00:24:55sige,
00:24:56so,
00:24:57kanyang corruption,
00:24:58in the Philippines,
00:25:00nins ba,
00:25:01can we also say,
00:25:03it's driven largely,
00:25:05out of convenience,
00:25:08or,
00:25:08deliberate,
00:25:10malis yun,
00:25:11so,
00:25:11when I say,
00:25:12convenience,
00:25:13because,
00:25:13human nature,
00:25:14manggit ang kanang path,
00:25:15of least resistance,
00:25:17if you get it,
00:25:18the easy way,
00:25:19why make your life,
00:25:21difficult,
00:25:22di ba,
00:25:23yeah,
00:25:24siguro,
00:25:25koan siya,
00:25:26ako,
00:25:27pwede na ko siya,
00:25:28tanawan in specific,
00:25:29pwede na siya,
00:25:30tanawan in specific terms,
00:25:32from the level of the individual,
00:25:34kung na opportunity,
00:25:34or wala,
00:25:35so,
00:25:35kung naa,
00:25:36edi,
00:25:36why not,
00:25:37but at the same time,
00:25:39the institutions,
00:25:40that allow for it to happen,
00:25:41so,
00:25:42ganang gumabalik sa notion,
00:25:43of,
00:25:44the,
00:25:45the definition,
00:25:46of statehood,
00:25:47of the state,
00:25:48or the purpose of the state,
00:25:50na,
00:25:50gihimok siya in the first place,
00:25:52kaganyin,
00:25:52ano,
00:25:52nga,
00:25:52gihatagan siya pagsalig,
00:25:54para,
00:25:54mubuhat sa mga project,
00:25:57o mga balaod,
00:25:58nga,
00:25:58nga,
00:25:59iya,
00:25:59para sa mga tao,
00:26:00or para sa kaayuhans mga tao,
00:26:01the good,
00:26:02the common good,
00:26:03kumbaga,
00:26:03ang korupsyon,
00:26:06mahitabo siya,
00:26:06if,
00:26:07na ay rupture,
00:26:08ana,
00:26:08na ay,
00:26:09kahuyang,
00:26:10or,
00:26:11nabuak na siya,
00:26:12nga notion,
00:26:13nga trust,
00:26:14how,
00:26:15curious lang,
00:26:16ko rin dat,
00:26:16ko rin,
00:26:16pero,
00:26:17how about,
00:26:17the perception,
00:26:18also nga,
00:26:19ang Filipinos,
00:26:20whether good or bad,
00:26:22maayong mangin,
00:26:23mangin,
00:26:23tagpagi,
00:26:24o,
00:26:24ganang,
00:26:24ko rin,
00:26:24whether good or bad,
00:26:26madiskarte,
00:26:26diba,
00:26:27so,
00:26:27kabalugid mo,
00:26:28katkat sa koral,
00:26:29gani,
00:26:29and it can be good,
00:26:30because that means,
00:26:31we're resourceful,
00:26:32we survive,
00:26:33amidst all the difficulties,
00:26:35we're resilient,
00:26:35but for the wrong conditions,
00:26:37if used in the proper way,
00:26:38so,
00:26:39given the institutions,
00:26:40also,
00:26:40that we are trying,
00:26:41to put in,
00:26:43how does that apply,
00:26:44to that also,
00:26:45atong pagka-creative,
00:26:47to do the,
00:26:48find the workaround,
00:26:49at kita mismo,
00:26:50or ang katong manga nangorakot,
00:26:51ang nakapain o workaround,
00:26:52I mean,
00:26:53I mean,
00:26:54everybody,
00:26:56as long as presented,
00:26:57by an opportunity,
00:26:59can everybody also say no,
00:27:01diba?
00:27:02Supposedly,
00:27:02munang,
00:27:03diremosod on ta,
00:27:03ang role sa institutions,
00:27:04dako kag-role gilang institutions,
00:27:06of government,
00:27:08na,
00:27:08siya ang mag-set manggod on saang values,
00:27:10on saang saktog,
00:27:11on sa sayo,
00:27:11so,
00:27:12if,
00:27:12in the pursuit of the common good,
00:27:14in the pursuit of public interest,
00:27:16muni,
00:27:16ato ang,
00:27:17dapat nga steps nga agihan,
00:27:19along the way,
00:27:20naakay hurdles,
00:27:22like,
00:27:22for example,
00:27:23resources,
00:27:25related,
00:27:25na hurdle,
00:27:27how would you deal with it,
00:27:28and the way to,
00:27:29an option,
00:27:29that would come up,
00:27:30is that you deal with another person,
00:27:32in a form of a private contractor,
00:27:34nga,
00:27:35para mas mudali,
00:27:36ang,
00:27:37proseso,
00:27:38and at the same time,
00:27:38makabinefisyo ka.
00:27:39It's true.
00:27:39Correct.
00:27:40Yes.
00:27:40Kay,
00:27:41ano man na,
00:27:41sa,
00:27:42sa government,
00:27:44kebogitaon sa kadugay ang proseso.
00:27:46Yeah.
00:27:47And,
00:27:48there's a process nga,
00:27:49ginana siya ka meticulous,
00:27:50para fair gil ang pag-awai sa constructs.
00:27:52Supposedly.
00:27:53But,
00:27:53that process has been used,
00:27:55para,
00:27:57kanang,
00:27:58the longer the process,
00:28:00the bigger the chance for corruption.
00:28:02Mabito to yung first-ultine,
00:28:03ni Mayor Archival,
00:28:04na,
00:28:04balik siya na mo,
00:28:06na,
00:28:07ang iyang realization,
00:28:08is the public thinks,
00:28:09he's a magician.
00:28:11Because,
00:28:12tuko sila nga,
00:28:13inigduol nila nga,
00:28:14Mayor,
00:28:14ang amung dahan ko ba,
00:28:15ikaw,
00:28:15mapadad ang legback ho.
00:28:17We know that,
00:28:18ang government,
00:28:19dili inana,
00:28:19mo request pa ka.
00:28:21Yeah.
00:28:21Or do siya,
00:28:21maka-order siya,
00:28:22so from order,
00:28:23na,
00:28:23dagan pa,
00:28:24dili,
00:28:24kanang,
00:28:24dili siya inana,
00:28:25inana ba?
00:28:26I'm not,
00:28:26dili ko sigurado kung,
00:28:28ang pag,
00:28:29pag,
00:28:29ano-ane niya nga mga proseso,
00:28:32enough ba to curb corruption?
00:28:34Kanang.
00:28:35And,
00:28:36and,
00:28:36there are a lot of talks about ethics,
00:28:39moral standards,
00:28:40and in fact,
00:28:41there are even,
00:28:42kanang,
00:28:43observations that the Philippines,
00:28:45supposedly,
00:28:45is the only Christian nation in Asia.
00:28:48In terms of values,
00:28:49but it happens to be,
00:28:51the,
00:28:52one of,
00:28:53the most,
00:28:54kanang,
00:28:54corrupt,
00:28:55no?
00:28:55So,
00:28:57kanang,
00:28:57to continue with that line ba,
00:29:00why do you think,
00:29:01or,
00:29:01you can also disagree,
00:29:02no?
00:29:03Why do you think,
00:29:04na,
00:29:04for,
00:29:04oh,
00:29:06Filipinos,
00:29:08tend to choose,
00:29:09convenience,
00:29:11over,
00:29:12principles?
00:29:13Okay,
00:29:13even in,
00:29:14in Kalamimantanga,
00:29:15there's,
00:29:15there's supposed to be institutions,
00:29:17no?
00:29:17And,
00:29:17these are supposedly,
00:29:18bounded by ethics,
00:29:19and also principium,
00:29:21and our want to safeguard,
00:29:23no?
00:29:23The resources of the country.
00:29:25But,
00:29:25when it comes to those principles,
00:29:29and those moral values,
00:29:30we will not be motivated to institute,
00:29:32and even enforce those measures.
00:29:35So,
00:29:36kita,
00:29:36anong,
00:29:36anong,
00:29:36choose,
00:29:37magkid kasagaran na to,
00:29:39with convenience,
00:29:40and personal gain,
00:29:41over principles?
00:29:43I think,
00:29:43naku,
00:29:44factor kayo,
00:29:44ane,
00:29:45ang concept of internalized,
00:29:47nga,
00:29:47norm.
00:29:48Meaning,
00:29:49corruption,
00:29:50na,
00:29:50ane man adiha,
00:29:51kumubuhat ko,
00:29:51ane,
00:29:52it's not,
00:29:53it did not start from me.
00:29:54Whether you do it or not,
00:29:56nana,
00:29:56it will not matter if I will,
00:29:58or not.
00:29:59Ang maam,
00:29:59matter na lang is,
00:30:00whether masakpan ko,
00:30:01or di,
00:30:01or di,
00:30:01or di,
00:30:01or di,
00:30:01so,
00:30:02naku,
00:30:02kaya nga,
00:30:03factor,
00:30:04and I think,
00:30:04that is,
00:30:05it goes back to our discussion earlier,
00:30:08about history,
00:30:09and our political institutions,
00:30:11nga,
00:30:11nanormalized na siya,
00:30:12to the point nga,
00:30:13the smallest form of corruption,
00:30:16selling your votes,
00:30:17or,
00:30:18unsa,
00:30:18cheating in the room,
00:30:19nga,
00:30:19gawana,
00:30:20gawana,
00:30:21cheating in the room,
00:30:22gawana man eh,
00:30:23compared sa,
00:30:23what is already,
00:30:25part of our political system.
00:30:26Kaya nga ni,
00:30:26sa 14 luxury cars.
00:30:29Pero kita,
00:30:30makita na to siya,
00:30:30ma-measure,
00:30:31ma-compare na to siya,
00:30:32karun mo na,
00:30:32tagma,
00:30:33kita,
00:30:33wala,
00:30:33grabiha di ay sa,
00:30:35magnitude,
00:30:36of these things,
00:30:36nga,
00:30:37pwede ko,
00:30:38mo justify sa,
00:30:39ako ang tagagmay,
00:30:40but,
00:30:40or even,
00:30:42okay na tong gihatag,
00:30:43ng inbilog nga,
00:30:435,000 sud,
00:30:44wala ni 5,000,
00:30:45kaysa,
00:30:46pila ka billiones,
00:30:47but still,
00:30:48no matter how small the act,
00:30:50it is still corruption.
00:30:51And it's never small.
00:30:52Ako,
00:30:52para kung,
00:30:53ang argument ko na na,
00:30:53it's never small.
00:30:54Kanang,
00:30:55unsa kagamay ang gihatag ni mo,
00:30:56that's part of the bigger picture.
00:30:58Kanang,
00:30:58ganang gitunulan,
00:30:59good taon ka.
00:31:00Yes.
00:31:00Apeeran ka sa,
00:31:01and whatever the amount is,
00:31:03it's still corruption.
00:31:04Corruption.
00:31:05And kanipun,
00:31:06kanang certain cases,
00:31:09of kanang human rights lawyer,
00:31:12and then got elected,
00:31:14and then became very corrupt.
00:31:17So that means,
00:31:18the person is even starting,
00:31:20as an outsider,
00:31:22and a change agent,
00:31:23but ends up to be very corrupt.
00:31:26And we've seen quite a number of that pattern also.
00:31:29Yeah.
00:31:30So,
00:31:30so contrary on taon siya sa institutions,
00:31:32ngayong gisudlan,
00:31:33kaya ngayong institution na gisudlan,
00:31:34Mabit lang gisulud siya din na,
00:31:35to oppose it.
00:31:36Yeah.
00:31:37And it's part of the process now.
00:31:39Mabagin na siya.
00:31:40Gagahan ka ay yung mga tarong na tao,
00:31:42no?
00:31:42Ligdong na mga tao.
00:31:44Pero,
00:31:44I know,
00:31:45I know for one person nga,
00:31:47di kan siya o ombudsman niya.
00:31:49Nibung lang ko,
00:31:50well,
00:31:50pag abot niya sa city hall,
00:31:51di man siya ingon na,
00:31:53kanang,
00:31:54but maybe it's the people around him,
00:31:55or what.
00:31:55Kaya,
00:31:56mo lagi,
00:31:56bisagun sa kakaligdong,
00:31:59huwak kay choice,
00:32:00because the people around you,
00:32:02mo al sa yung mukha o ni mo.
00:32:05Kana siya nga,
00:32:06kana siya nga,
00:32:07there was a book,
00:32:08kanang tigi mo o o libro sa skwalahan.
00:32:11I think this is time ni Luistro.
00:32:13Ito siya sa secretary,
00:32:15I am presenting this book kay,
00:32:17ma history man to,
00:32:18anak.
00:32:19So,
00:32:19ninyo siya,
00:32:19sige,
00:32:20go.
00:32:20Sige,
00:32:20refer siya to one of the underlings sa education.
00:32:24Kibokaun sa gisulti sa iya,
00:32:26Sir,
00:32:26ano nito,
00:32:27bakit ka doon pumunta?
00:32:29Sana dito ka na sa amin,
00:32:30kasi,
00:32:31tatlong taon lang yan.
00:32:33Kami,
00:32:33kami dito na.
00:32:35So,
00:32:36mas emboldened pa sila.
00:32:38Kaysa sa,
00:32:39kung ano sila,
00:32:40plantilla man sila,
00:32:41kanang appointment man ka,
00:32:42abay,
00:32:43appointment man ka.
00:32:45So,
00:32:45even ka na ba,
00:32:46kanang,
00:32:47structured na kaayo siya.
00:32:49Kanang,
00:32:50I think,
00:32:52ang,
00:32:52kung we really want to stop all these things,
00:32:56I think,
00:32:57overhaul good.
00:32:58Even from,
00:32:58in the process of our election niya.
00:33:00Kanang,
00:33:01I think,
00:33:01siguro ka nang,
00:33:02start,
00:33:02gitbitaw ta sa atong mindset,
00:33:04the carrot,
00:33:05and kanang,
00:33:06mubilib,
00:33:06gwa nang carrot and steak.
00:33:08If you do something good,
00:33:09you'll get,
00:33:10reinforcement,
00:33:11one slice of bread.
00:33:13but if you,
00:33:13koan,
00:33:14anak kay,
00:33:15mutuman man sa utok sa tao nga,
00:33:17diigid ko anik,
00:33:18diigid ko mubuhat anik,
00:33:19diigid ko kakaoan.
00:33:20You will,
00:33:21makita igid niya ba nga,
00:33:23the consequence of doing something wrong.
00:33:25I'd like to chime on,
00:33:27Ana,
00:33:27on ya.
00:33:29Ganahan lang ako balikan tong,
00:33:31prior discussion on,
00:33:33katubitawang,
00:33:34you said something na,
00:33:36ganahan ako i-respond is related to,
00:33:39kaning institutional mechanisms.
00:33:41One of the institutional mechanisms nga,
00:33:43di-highlight pirmi,
00:33:44para malikayan dahito,
00:33:45ang katong mga,
00:33:47mga inginadong,
00:33:48mga backdoor,
00:33:49mga,
00:33:49mga,
00:33:49transactions,
00:33:50transparency.
00:33:51Munang important ka ayo,
00:33:52di man,
00:33:53di man,
00:33:57stand alone,
00:34:02ang principles,
00:34:04nag-giputan sa mga institution.
00:34:05It works with all other principles,
00:34:08sama sa transparency.
00:35:11If it's open,
00:35:15it will be safe.
00:35:16The issue of contractors
00:35:18is that
00:35:20the source of this
00:35:23not source, but
00:35:24the platform that I had a great discussion
00:35:27before it was openly public
00:35:28is online, on Reddit.
00:35:31So, it's been an anonymous
00:35:33man of people.
00:35:36So, unless
00:35:37there's a public knowledge of
00:35:39who the contractors are,
00:35:41oh, come on, come on.
00:35:42It gets to be
00:35:46everybody's concern.
00:35:48So, the first thing is,
00:35:49transparency.
00:35:50The problem is,
00:35:51if it's available,
00:35:52it's Reddit,
00:35:53if it's available,
00:35:54it's not accessible,
00:35:55it's transparent.
00:35:57The mechanism is not easy.
00:35:58I think,
00:35:59it's not a language
00:35:59that's capitalized
00:36:00for a long time.
00:36:01Or,
00:36:01you can only capitalize
00:36:03for a long time.
00:36:03before we move on to
00:36:06how we can shift
00:36:07the mindset
00:36:08and change this
00:36:11for the better,
00:36:12the pattern.
00:36:14But,
00:36:14Murag,
00:36:15the question about
00:36:16that area
00:36:17is for the basher,
00:36:20how is it
00:36:20in your own
00:36:21honesty?
00:36:22because maybe,
00:36:24we are just easy
00:36:26to bash
00:36:26other people,
00:36:29but we tend
00:36:29to be,
00:36:31we tend to justify
00:36:32our own
00:36:34corrupt nature
00:36:36also.
00:36:36And the context
00:36:54of the question,
00:36:54I'm a bit tired
00:36:56because of the outsiders
00:36:58who want honest government
00:36:59and then once they get in,
00:37:01they become
00:37:01also just as corrupt
00:37:03even worse.
00:37:04They just want
00:37:05to join the party.
00:37:06So,
00:37:06baby,
00:37:06it's like a bash-bash
00:37:07and you see how
00:37:12what is the opportunity?
00:37:14You can't.
00:37:15Yeah,
00:37:15so,
00:37:16so,
00:37:16I'm a fan of it.
00:37:17In terms of,
00:37:18for example,
00:37:19I'm a critical
00:37:20with government,
00:37:22I may,
00:37:23I'll try to make sure
00:37:24or see to it
00:37:25that my life
00:37:26is publicly accessible.
00:37:27No.
00:37:28Okay,
00:37:29if I'm not
00:37:29able to bring it to you,
00:37:30I'm not
00:37:32keeping it.
00:37:34I'm not
00:37:35accountable.
00:37:37So that in the process,
00:37:38if you want to engage
00:37:39in bigger,
00:37:40you know,
00:37:41decision-making,
00:37:42example,
00:37:42you're aware.
00:37:45And you always
00:37:46keep yourself grounded.
00:37:47I think that's the problem
00:37:48for most individuals.
00:37:50I agree.
00:37:51Okay,
00:37:51power corrupts
00:37:53absolutely.
00:37:54Absolute power corrupts
00:37:56absolutely.
00:37:56So,
00:37:57if you remove yourself
00:37:59from the very reason
00:38:01why you
00:38:01criticized in the first place
00:38:03or in the first place,
00:38:05then,
00:38:06you get eaten
00:38:07by the system.
00:38:08you end up becoming
00:38:09the person
00:38:10you don't want.
00:38:12And sometimes,
00:38:13you get guilty
00:38:14because of the
00:38:15heavy
00:38:16job.
00:38:17The responsibility.
00:38:18You ask,
00:38:18what's that?
00:38:19If you don't want it,
00:38:20you don't want it.
00:38:21You don't have the opportunity
00:38:21to offer it.
00:38:22But,
00:38:23you don't want it.
00:38:23You don't want it.
00:38:24You don't want it.
00:38:25There's a reason
00:38:25being grounded.
00:38:30So,
00:38:30for politicians,
00:38:31public servants,
00:38:31to go back
00:38:32to their communities,
00:38:33I think,
00:38:33you can't see
00:38:34on my end.
00:38:36That's why
00:38:37you are called
00:38:37public servants.
00:38:39But,
00:38:39if there's no public
00:38:40component
00:38:41in your work,
00:38:42you don't want it.
00:38:44I guess,
00:38:45I don't want it.
00:38:45I don't want it.
00:38:46Public office.
00:38:46People go to
00:38:47the public offices,
00:38:48etc.
00:38:49But,
00:38:49making sure
00:38:49that you are
00:38:50accountable
00:38:50in the very principles
00:38:52or reasons
00:38:53that you're there.
00:38:54You make yourself
00:38:55go back
00:38:56to the communities
00:38:58on time.
00:38:59Sige,
00:38:59so for our
00:39:00young viewers,
00:39:02Madaghan ni sila
00:39:03karun,
00:39:03nga naglalis
00:39:04sa atong chat.
00:39:06Sige,
00:39:07nga sa magig
00:39:07pang solte.
00:39:07People in authority,
00:39:09si Sherwin Chua,
00:39:10people in authority
00:39:11are also behind it.
00:39:12And this has been
00:39:13happening for the
00:39:14longest time,
00:39:15not only in the
00:39:15fraud control projects.
00:39:18Kanisya nga,
00:39:18kanisya nga mga
00:39:19kuan,
00:39:20kanang,
00:39:21mafeeling mo nga,
00:39:23murag hooplas
00:39:23na manginyo.
00:39:24Eh,
00:39:24dili naman ginis
00:39:25siya,
00:39:25ma-murag masul.
00:39:26But,
00:39:27bisagkin sa
00:39:27imunggi butang
00:39:28din na.
00:39:28Like,
00:39:29for example,
00:39:29we believe,
00:39:30pura is good,
00:39:31namatay naman si Pino.
00:39:33We thought,
00:39:33Pino'y,
00:39:34knowing sa iyahang
00:39:35background,
00:39:36iyang mama,
00:39:37iyang papa,
00:39:37could solve
00:39:38the corruption,
00:39:39but,
00:39:39siya mismo,
00:39:40wala siya'y nabuhat
00:39:41sa corruption
00:39:42in government.
00:39:44Na siya'y kuan,
00:39:45na siya'y
00:39:45mga institus,
00:39:46ge-institutionalized
00:39:47naman,
00:39:47FOI,
00:39:48dili siya'y nabuhat.
00:39:48Wala ni kick-off.
00:39:49Nabutang siya,
00:39:51pero wala siya'y
00:39:52wala siya'y
00:39:52nabuhatagig ngipon.
00:39:54And that's where
00:39:54I was coming from
00:39:55gaitong sa CPI.
00:39:56Because,
00:39:57through the years
00:39:57in several
00:39:58administration,
00:39:59it did not
00:40:00significantly improve.
00:40:02Same sa panahon
00:40:03ni Rigong,
00:40:04he thought
00:40:04the drug problem
00:40:05is something like
00:40:06mapariha sa
00:40:07Davao City
00:40:08makontrol niya.
00:40:09Mutuninigun siya,
00:40:10I will solve
00:40:10drug problem
00:40:11in six months.
00:40:12But,
00:40:12six years in government,
00:40:14wala niya na-solve
00:40:15because,
00:40:16liat na niya na-realize
00:40:17nga gikan sa
00:40:19ordinaryong tao
00:40:20na ang problema
00:40:23sa drogas
00:40:24na na ang corruption.
00:40:25Gikan sa authorities,
00:40:27tanan in all,
00:40:28ka na ba.
00:40:29I mean,
00:40:29kinsamang,
00:40:29kubisan pag,
00:40:30you know,
00:40:31unsa kakadako,
00:40:32di na.
00:40:32But,
00:40:33ang imong system,
00:40:34ang imong machinery,
00:40:35ang mga yung nagpadaganin mo
00:40:36is inana-ana kaguba,
00:40:38inana-ana ang
00:40:39ano ang value.
00:40:40Yeah,
00:40:41even if we give them
00:40:42the benefit of the doubt
00:40:43beto na at the onset,
00:40:45tarong ilahang
00:40:46tingpanin kamot
00:40:47or tingung haunta,
00:40:49when they
00:40:49take part
00:40:50or they're already there
00:40:52and they become
00:40:52the heads of state,
00:40:53they become the
00:40:54representatives already.
00:40:55It changes everything.
00:40:56So,
00:40:56mo na,
00:40:57I think,
00:40:57mo na chime in,
00:40:58ko balik sa kataong
00:40:58akong giingin,
00:40:59ang taga-ganina,
00:41:00I'd like to chime in.
00:41:01I'd like to connect it
00:41:02to the
00:41:02recent events going on,
00:41:04especially with
00:41:05what's happening
00:41:05in Indonesia right now.
00:41:06Yeah.
00:41:07Kata siya,
00:41:07is it probably
00:41:08more or less
00:41:09similar thing,
00:41:10corruption issue,
00:41:11corruption issue,
00:41:11lahi nga component,
00:41:13kanya to a flood control,
00:41:14infrastructure,
00:41:15ilahad it,
00:41:15I think is
00:41:16budget allowance
00:41:17or budget
00:41:17allotted for
00:41:18their politicians.
00:41:19And it sparked
00:41:21questions from
00:41:24the youth.
00:41:25Naagig kalagot,
00:41:26naagig obama,
00:41:27nga,
00:41:28how dare you,
00:41:28mag inalaamog
00:41:29allowance.
00:41:30And na-intensify lang siya,
00:41:31na-intensify pag gina
00:41:32further because
00:41:33of the death.
00:41:34Pag during the protest,
00:41:35na inapatay ang mga
00:41:36polis na.
00:41:37Murad gojek driver,
00:41:38na grab driver,
00:41:39did to ba?
00:41:39So, murad,
00:41:40na-escalate ang things.
00:41:41This is what
00:41:42I'm trying to
00:41:43look at.
00:41:45There are protests,
00:41:47there are
00:41:47mga reklamo nga
00:41:48ng gawas.
00:41:49Some of them
00:41:50sourced out online.
00:41:52And the more
00:41:53transparent things
00:41:54will become,
00:41:55especially with the
00:41:55hearing,
00:41:56ma-exposed
00:41:57ng uban
00:41:57during the interview.
00:42:00Kung ma-fully
00:42:01exposed gini
00:42:01in that most
00:42:02genuine sense,
00:42:03nga dili lang
00:42:04i-nive-all guy
00:42:06ba-da?
00:42:07Basig mo na
00:42:07akong kuyawan
00:42:08actually sa hearing
00:42:09basig nive-all guy ba.
00:42:10Naging fall
00:42:12guys so far.
00:42:13Polis,
00:42:14so far.
00:42:15So far.
00:42:16Di satanang mga
00:42:16naghiling din
00:42:17karon,
00:42:18ang atong tanang
00:42:20atensyon na
00:42:21ni Diskaya
00:42:21because siya
00:42:22ang-
00:42:22Daniela Polis.
00:42:23Kaya siya man
00:42:24ang nagpakita
00:42:25o just
00:42:25existes.
00:42:26But why do you
00:42:28think na
00:42:28nainana si Diskaya?
00:42:30It would not
00:42:30have been
00:42:31accessible
00:42:33if not for
00:42:33the agency,
00:42:35DPWH,
00:42:35and the
00:42:36lawmakers.
00:42:37Ang agency,
00:42:38di ay
00:42:38tanangyod.
00:42:39Kinsa may
00:42:40naging mo
00:42:40sa budget.
00:42:41Kinsa yung
00:42:41nagbutang
00:42:42sa mga
00:42:42lines.
00:42:45Do you think
00:42:46unso siya
00:42:47kapowerful?
00:42:48Nga mo
00:42:48ato lang siya
00:42:48kuhaan siya
00:42:49kwarta,
00:42:49everything?
00:42:50No.
00:42:51The same
00:42:52people
00:42:53na nag-question
00:42:53niya ron
00:42:54could also
00:42:54be the same
00:42:55people
00:42:55na part
00:42:56na nai mo
00:42:56siyang
00:42:57inana.
00:42:57Dapat gina na
00:42:58kung ideal
00:42:59ana,
00:42:59since it's
00:43:01related to
00:43:01budget and
00:43:02budget approval,
00:43:03itrace nila
00:43:03when it all
00:43:04started.
00:43:05Who signed?
00:43:05Who signed
00:43:07from the
00:43:07legislative,
00:43:09trace it to
00:43:09the agency,
00:43:11then to the
00:43:11contractors.
00:43:12The contractors
00:43:12are mere
00:43:13manifestation,
00:43:14paranako lang
00:43:14in a sense.
00:43:16Remember
00:43:16last budget
00:43:19ni Ingon
00:43:20si
00:43:20President Marcos
00:43:22na nai mga
00:43:23insertions?
00:43:24Then how come,
00:43:26why was
00:43:27those
00:43:27insertions
00:43:28not vetoed?
00:43:29Nga nung
00:43:30na-approve
00:43:30na mangi
00:43:30hapon,
00:43:31so ni
00:43:31piyong siya.
00:43:32So siya mismo,
00:43:34part siya
00:43:34sa system.
00:43:35Karoon siya
00:43:36na ang
00:43:36nag-banner
00:43:37of corruptions
00:43:38and everything.
00:43:39Diba?
00:43:39Morabag ka
00:43:40ng times
00:43:40naaman
00:43:41di mo ilistahan
00:43:42aning mga
00:43:43inana.
00:43:44Nga nung
00:43:44nibuto na
00:43:45karoon na
00:43:45ng gawas.
00:43:46Nga nung
00:43:46sabi,
00:43:47gibuhat ninyo
00:43:47ang alis.
00:43:48Gitago-tago
00:43:48ni mo
00:43:49para something
00:43:49happen,
00:43:50oy,
00:43:50naakoy alas
00:43:51ni mo.
00:43:53If na nai
00:43:53question of
00:43:54accountability,
00:43:55kayo mo
00:43:55ingo na
00:43:55dahil,
00:43:55wag ko kayo
00:43:56baw.
00:43:57I cannot
00:43:58review all
00:43:59the lines.
00:44:00Diba?
00:44:00Pero diba
00:44:01gibutang ka din
00:44:02para ikaw
00:44:03ang muprotektar
00:44:03na mo.
00:44:04So,
00:44:05muna siya.
00:44:06Now,
00:44:07before ko
00:44:08ma-strong,
00:44:08kaya na-feelan ako
00:44:09ni sugod ko
00:44:09ka-strong,
00:44:11with multiple,
00:44:11ang ako lang
00:44:12sa ginbab,
00:44:12morag,
00:44:13mag-tanaw,
00:44:13bit ako sa mga
00:44:14hearings,
00:44:14ka na bang
00:44:15ka-weird,
00:44:16ang nangutana
00:44:17ba,
00:44:17morag,
00:44:17they were
00:44:18accused,
00:44:19they were
00:44:19jailed for
00:44:20corruption,
00:44:20and here
00:44:20they are
00:44:21questioning
00:44:21like...
00:44:23There's already
00:44:24a term
00:44:24that's coined,
00:44:25no?
00:44:25They call it
00:44:26performative
00:44:26outrage.
00:44:28Performative
00:44:29outrage.
00:44:29As if
00:44:31they were
00:44:31outraged,
00:44:32but it's
00:44:33a performance.
00:44:34Sige,
00:44:34kanang,
00:44:34kaya ba
00:44:35ako sa feeling
00:44:35maglingko
00:44:36diha?
00:44:36Anyway,
00:44:38with the
00:44:38multiple
00:44:38corruption
00:44:39investigation
00:44:40ba unfolding,
00:44:41how do you
00:44:42think the
00:44:42public's
00:44:43trust in
00:44:43government
00:44:44is shifting?
00:44:45Could
00:44:45this
00:44:45disillusionment
00:44:48affect
00:44:49upcoming
00:44:49elections?
00:44:52Since
00:44:52one,
00:44:54ang kanang
00:44:54election
00:44:54results
00:44:55man,
00:44:55depending
00:44:56mo gina,
00:44:56who framed
00:44:57it better,
00:44:57para nako
00:44:58lang,
00:44:58who framed
00:44:59it better.
00:44:59It's
00:44:59messaging
00:45:00gina,
00:45:00siya.
00:45:01Kung
00:45:01siya
00:45:02framed
00:45:02better
00:45:02sa
00:45:02previous
00:45:03administration,
00:45:03of course
00:45:04it will
00:45:04affect.
00:45:04For example,
00:45:05if the
00:45:06cooking
00:45:06part
00:45:07of
00:45:07this
00:45:08ongoing
00:45:08investigation
00:45:09will
00:45:09can
00:45:10be
00:45:10framed
00:45:10by
00:45:10whichever
00:45:11party
00:45:11towards
00:45:13the
00:45:13other,
00:45:14directed
00:45:14towards
00:45:15the
00:45:15other,
00:45:16largely.
00:45:16impact.
00:45:17So,
00:45:17it's
00:45:17impact.
00:45:18For example,
00:45:19if you
00:45:19can
00:45:19get
00:45:20the
00:45:20portion
00:45:21is
00:45:22with
00:45:22regards
00:45:22to
00:45:23Marcos
00:45:23administration
00:45:24or
00:45:25the
00:45:25previous
00:45:25administration,
00:45:26Sarah,
00:45:27brand,
00:45:29image.
00:45:30So,
00:45:30again,
00:45:31the more
00:45:34important part
00:45:35is
00:45:35you,
00:45:35the public,
00:45:37regardless.
00:45:37Lesbac.
00:45:38So,
00:45:38if I
00:45:39observe
00:45:39we
00:45:42tend to,
00:45:44at least
00:45:44in the
00:45:45social
00:45:46media
00:45:46platform,
00:45:48the tendency
00:45:48for people
00:45:49to be
00:45:49critical,
00:45:51not
00:45:51everyone,
00:45:52but
00:45:52based on
00:45:53observation,
00:45:54our being
00:45:55critical is
00:45:56very
00:45:56specific
00:45:58to the
00:45:58people
00:45:59or to
00:45:59the
00:45:59party
00:46:00that we
00:46:00are
00:46:00against.
00:46:02So,
00:46:02being
00:46:02critical
00:46:03is
00:46:03supposed
00:46:03to be
00:46:04holistic.
00:46:05If you
00:46:05are
00:46:05critical,
00:46:05you
00:46:06are
00:46:06when you
00:46:07say
00:46:07you
00:46:07are
00:46:07against
00:46:07corruption,
00:46:08you're
00:46:08against
00:46:08corruption
00:46:09of
00:46:09all.
00:46:10Not
00:46:10the
00:46:10other
00:46:10thing
00:46:18said
00:46:18is
00:46:18reverse
00:46:19appreciation
00:46:20one
00:46:21political
00:46:23color
00:46:23not
00:46:24the
00:46:24other.
00:46:25So,
00:46:26that's
00:46:26also
00:46:26to
00:46:27me
00:46:27an
00:46:27indicator
00:46:28of
00:46:28how
00:46:29objective
00:46:30we
00:46:30are
00:46:30in
00:46:30looking
00:46:30at
00:46:31the
00:46:31situation
00:46:31because
00:46:32one
00:46:32group
00:46:33has
00:46:33strength
00:46:34and
00:46:34weakness
00:46:35and
00:46:36so
00:46:36is
00:46:36the
00:46:36other
00:46:36group
00:46:37but
00:46:37if
00:46:37a
00:46:38person
00:46:38is
00:46:38just
00:46:38confined
00:46:39on
00:46:39highlighting
00:46:40the
00:46:40weakness
00:46:40of
00:46:41one
00:46:41then
00:46:42that's
00:46:42an
00:46:43indicator
00:46:43that
00:46:43this
00:46:43is
00:46:44not
00:46:44an
00:46:44objective
00:46:44person.
00:46:45You should
00:46:48also
00:46:48provide
00:46:48an
00:46:49alternative.
00:46:50You
00:46:50should
00:46:51provide
00:46:52an
00:46:53alternative.
00:46:57Based
00:46:59on
00:46:59that,
00:47:00if
00:47:01you
00:47:01speak
00:47:02out
00:47:03Mayor
00:47:03Vico
00:47:04Soto
00:47:04with
00:47:05regards,
00:47:05I get
00:47:06that
00:47:06he
00:47:07will
00:47:07be
00:47:07politically
00:47:07because
00:47:08he
00:47:08against
00:47:10him
00:47:10during
00:47:10the
00:47:10elections.
00:47:12But
00:47:12if
00:47:12you
00:47:12think
00:47:12the
00:47:13feedback
00:47:13he
00:47:14got
00:47:15is
00:47:15about
00:47:15political.
00:47:17Because
00:47:17there are
00:47:18no
00:47:18cases
00:47:19thrown
00:47:20against
00:47:20Vico
00:47:21or
00:47:21accusations
00:47:22related
00:47:22to
00:47:22corruption.
00:47:23So
00:47:23when
00:47:23he
00:47:23speaks
00:47:24about
00:47:24corruption
00:47:24against
00:47:25it,
00:47:26yes.
00:47:26The
00:47:27town
00:47:27is
00:47:28now.
00:47:29And
00:47:30then
00:47:31a line
00:47:31as an
00:47:33example.
00:47:33Vico
00:47:34Soto
00:47:34the
00:47:34Mayor
00:47:35of
00:47:35Pasig
00:47:35he
00:47:36also
00:47:38made
00:47:38a
00:47:38statement
00:47:39several
00:47:40months
00:47:40ago
00:47:41that
00:47:41this
00:47:42is
00:47:42his
00:47:42last
00:47:43term
00:47:43and
00:47:44he
00:47:44doesn't
00:47:44have
00:47:45an
00:47:45intention
00:47:45to run
00:47:46for
00:47:46Congress
00:47:47or
00:47:47to run
00:47:48for
00:47:48Senate.
00:47:50But
00:47:50I
00:47:50can't
00:47:52answer
00:47:53a
00:47:53mindset
00:47:53but
00:47:53do
00:47:54you
00:47:54think
00:47:54it's
00:47:54really
00:47:54helpful?
00:47:55I've
00:47:56read
00:47:56somewhere
00:47:57I
00:47:57think
00:47:57this
00:47:57is
00:47:58Batman
00:47:58if
00:48:00you
00:48:00are
00:48:01a
00:48:01hero
00:48:01for
00:48:02too
00:48:02long
00:48:02before
00:48:03you
00:48:03know
00:48:04it
00:48:04you
00:48:04are
00:48:04already
00:48:05the
00:48:05villain
00:48:05so
00:48:06do
00:48:08you
00:48:08think
00:48:09it's
00:48:10also
00:48:11proper
00:48:11for
00:48:12other
00:48:12officials
00:48:13even
00:48:13in
00:48:14private
00:48:14sector
00:48:14we
00:48:15don't
00:48:15have
00:48:1520
00:48:16years
00:48:16continuity
00:48:17and
00:48:17then
00:48:20start
00:48:21for
00:48:21example
00:48:22public
00:48:23service
00:48:24is
00:48:24correct
00:48:25service
00:48:30is
00:48:30I need
00:48:33to move
00:48:33on
00:48:34to
00:48:34another
00:48:34to
00:48:35another
00:48:36maybe
00:48:37not
00:48:38as
00:48:38okay
00:48:38service
00:48:39to
00:48:40the
00:48:40people
00:48:40are
00:48:40limited
00:48:41from
00:48:41being
00:48:41a
00:48:41government
00:48:42official
00:48:42so
00:48:43give
00:48:43the
00:48:43others
00:48:44a
00:48:44chance
00:48:44I
00:48:45worry
00:48:45okay
00:48:47if
00:48:47it's
00:48:47okay
00:48:48the
00:48:50system
00:48:51will
00:48:51eat
00:48:51you
00:48:51and
00:48:53so
00:48:53far
00:48:54they've
00:48:57been
00:48:57in
00:48:57power
00:48:57also
00:48:58for
00:48:58so
00:48:59long
00:48:59the
00:49:00more
00:49:01you
00:49:01can
00:49:01expose
00:49:01to
00:49:02what
00:49:02you
00:49:03can
00:49:03go
00:49:04this
00:49:05is
00:49:05the
00:49:05normal
00:49:05so
00:49:06nine
00:49:07years
00:49:07okay
00:49:08undang
00:49:08then
00:49:09do
00:49:12another
00:49:12service
00:49:13you
00:49:13can
00:49:13go
00:49:13back
00:49:13you
00:49:14can
00:49:15twist
00:49:17your
00:49:17values
00:49:18because
00:49:18rooted
00:49:20corruption
00:49:20in
00:49:22any
00:49:22government
00:49:23agency
00:49:23you
00:49:26maybe
00:49:26line
00:49:27line
00:49:27level
00:49:27but
00:49:28now
00:49:28I
00:49:28need
00:49:28to
00:49:28if
00:49:29for
00:49:29example
00:49:30if
00:49:30if
00:49:31well
00:49:31if
00:49:31well
00:49:31I
00:49:32parihan
00:49:32say
00:49:33for
00:49:33example
00:49:34Vico
00:49:34or
00:49:34some
00:49:35other
00:49:35politician
00:49:36this
00:49:36is
00:49:36an
00:49:36alternative
00:49:37for
00:49:37higher
00:49:38offices
00:49:38so
00:49:39I
00:49:39think
00:49:39it's
00:49:42not
00:49:42about
00:49:42Vico
00:49:43deciding
00:49:43to
00:49:44stop
00:49:44proceed
00:49:45or
00:49:46making
00:49:47it
00:49:47sure
00:49:47that
00:49:48even
00:49:48if
00:49:49say
00:49:49Vico
00:49:49the
00:49:49danger
00:49:50of
00:49:50him
00:49:50becoming
00:49:51the
00:49:51villain
00:49:51danger
00:49:52of
00:49:52him
00:49:52being
00:49:53eaten
00:49:53by the
00:49:53system
00:49:53it's
00:49:54always
00:49:54there
00:49:54yes
00:49:55it is
00:49:55so
00:49:56it's
00:49:56up
00:49:56to
00:49:56us
00:49:56to
00:49:57make
00:49:57sure
00:49:57that
00:49:57if
00:49:58a
00:49:58person
00:49:58like
00:49:58him
00:49:59an ideal
00:50:01person
00:50:02he's
00:50:05ideal
00:50:05for
00:50:05me
00:50:05initially
00:50:06observation
00:50:07is
00:50:07that
00:50:08if
00:50:08you
00:50:08don't
00:50:09have
00:50:09accusations
00:50:09of
00:50:09corruption
00:50:10against
00:50:10him
00:50:10he
00:50:11can speak
00:50:11against
00:50:12him
00:50:12and
00:50:12if
00:50:12you
00:50:13like
00:50:13that
00:50:13kind
00:50:13of
00:50:14person
00:50:14to
00:50:14move
00:50:15up
00:50:15the
00:50:15ladders
00:50:16if
00:50:17by
00:50:18the
00:50:18time
00:50:18he
00:50:19can
00:50:20commit
00:50:20to
00:50:20him
00:50:20then
00:50:21you
00:50:21hold
00:50:21him
00:50:21accountable
00:50:22he
00:50:23can
00:50:23he
00:50:24perfect
00:50:25ideal
00:50:26man
00:50:26or
00:50:27politician
00:50:27he
00:50:28can
00:50:28he
00:50:29can
00:50:29keep
00:50:31him
00:50:33grounded
00:50:33keep
00:50:34him
00:50:34grounded
00:50:35and
00:50:35segway
00:50:37towards
00:50:37the
00:50:37grounding
00:50:38but
00:50:38this
00:50:38point
00:50:39is
00:50:39and
00:50:40also
00:50:41create
00:50:41more
00:50:41vicos
00:50:42in
00:50:42us
00:50:43because
00:50:43it
00:50:43will not
00:50:44be
00:50:44enough
00:50:44but
00:50:48who
00:50:48are we
00:50:48in our
00:50:49day-to-day
00:50:50billings
00:50:50there's
00:50:51actually
00:50:51there's
00:50:52a lot
00:50:53of
00:50:53vicos
00:50:53in
00:50:54us
00:50:54remember
00:50:59all of
00:51:02us
00:51:03are
00:51:03tied
00:51:03to
00:51:03families
00:51:04so
00:51:05so
00:51:05you
00:51:05are
00:51:06the
00:51:06stakes
00:51:07yes
00:51:10but
00:51:11maybe
00:51:12a
00:51:14member
00:51:14of
00:51:14the
00:51:15family
00:51:15will
00:51:15hold
00:51:16accountable
00:51:16dili
00:51:17dili
00:51:17kumahi
00:51:18mong
00:51:18tao
00:51:18o
00:51:18gwaan
00:51:18is
00:51:19siya
00:51:19o
00:51:19wahan
00:51:19na
00:51:19kita
00:51:20na
00:51:20loob
00:51:20so
00:51:20required
00:51:21certain
00:51:21moral
00:51:22integrity
00:51:22for
00:51:23you
00:51:23to
00:51:23be
00:51:23a
00:51:24public
00:51:24service
00:51:24yes
00:51:24check
00:51:26good
00:51:26for
00:51:26moral
00:51:27integrity
00:51:27I
00:51:27think
00:51:28if
00:51:28na
00:51:28anak
00:51:29ka
00:51:29mom
00:51:29good
00:51:30gina
00:51:30i
00:51:30mong
00:51:30panguntra
00:51:31sa
00:51:31kan
00:51:32ng
00:51:32corruption
00:51:33just
00:51:33like
00:51:33how
00:51:34journalists
00:51:35being
00:51:35tempted
00:51:36under
00:51:37the
00:51:37table
00:51:38kung
00:51:40ikaw
00:51:40mubarugid
00:51:41ka
00:51:41abhalag
00:51:41magbaktas
00:51:42ko
00:51:42kaysa
00:51:43kanang
00:51:44offeran
00:51:44ko
00:51:45in
00:51:45anak
00:51:45these
00:51:46are
00:51:46small
00:51:46perks
00:51:48na
00:51:48ihatag
00:51:49ni
00:51:49mo
00:51:49but
00:51:50without
00:51:51you
00:51:51knowing
00:51:52when
00:51:52you
00:51:52write
00:51:53eh
00:51:54na
00:51:54yun
00:51:54lang
00:51:55nina
00:51:55ko
00:51:55kagipas
00:51:55kairab
00:51:56ako
00:51:56sa
00:51:56service
00:51:56ganina
00:51:57kanang
00:51:57in
00:51:57anak
00:51:58bitaw
00:51:58unsan
00:51:58nalang
00:51:59maghatagan
00:51:5930
00:51:59million
00:52:00unsan
00:52:01nalang
00:52:01simple
00:52:02nga
00:52:02mga
00:52:03hatag
00:52:03hatag
00:52:03as much
00:52:04as
00:52:05possible
00:52:05i-avoid
00:52:06siya
00:52:07kanang
00:52:08momen
00:52:09kanang
00:52:10ang
00:52:10we
00:52:12grow up
00:52:13in an
00:52:13environment
00:52:14kanang
00:52:15kanang
00:52:15utang
00:52:17na loob
00:52:17kanang
00:52:18utang
00:52:18na loob
00:52:19it's also
00:52:19a form
00:52:19of
00:52:20corruption
00:52:20kanang
00:52:21nepotism
00:52:22patrimonialism
00:52:24baker
00:52:26baker
00:52:27so now
00:52:28let's go
00:52:28to the
00:52:28grounding
00:52:29kaya
00:52:30magkita
00:52:30nagahang
00:52:31mga
00:52:31bata
00:52:32ang
00:52:32nanan
00:52:33an
00:52:34it's
00:52:34also
00:52:34good
00:52:34because
00:52:34we
00:52:35have
00:52:35you
00:52:35from
00:52:35the
00:52:35academe
00:52:36so
00:52:40how can
00:52:44we
00:52:44better
00:52:44ground
00:52:46especially
00:52:47ourselves
00:52:48especially
00:52:48the young
00:52:49filipinos
00:52:50the hope
00:52:51of our
00:52:52country
00:52:52ranks
00:52:53in the ranks
00:52:53ranks
00:52:53if
00:52:54I
00:52:54don't
00:52:54have
00:52:55ambition
00:52:56especially
00:52:58about ourselves
00:52:59I
00:53:00usually
00:53:01in
00:53:01students
00:53:02or
00:53:03youth
00:53:05or
00:53:05whenever
00:53:05I
00:53:05speaking
00:53:06engagement
00:53:06usual
00:53:07common
00:53:07question
00:53:08how do
00:53:09we
00:53:09make sure
00:53:10that
00:53:10we
00:53:10can
00:53:11ground
00:53:12we
00:53:12can
00:53:12continue
00:53:13together
00:53:13keep
00:53:15keep
00:53:15yourselves
00:53:15in the ranks
00:53:17of those
00:53:18who
00:53:19share the
00:53:20same
00:53:20values
00:53:21with you
00:53:22make sure
00:53:24that you're
00:53:24always in the
00:53:25network
00:53:26of people
00:53:27who are
00:53:27also
00:53:28not
00:53:28corrupt
00:53:29so
00:53:30making sure
00:53:31that
00:53:31that
00:53:32that
00:53:33is
00:53:33present
00:53:34for you
00:53:35that is
00:53:35available
00:53:35for you
00:53:36second
00:53:36is
00:53:36to make
00:53:37sure
00:53:37that you
00:53:37will be
00:53:38grounded
00:53:38with reality
00:53:39that
00:53:39everything
00:53:39that you
00:53:40observe
00:53:41when you
00:53:42study
00:53:43especially
00:53:43when we
00:53:45study
00:53:45government
00:53:46when we
00:53:46study
00:53:47political
00:53:47behavior
00:53:48etc
00:53:48we
00:53:49have
00:53:49the
00:53:49tendency
00:53:50to
00:53:50become
00:53:50to
00:53:51focus
00:53:52on
00:53:52it
00:53:52that
00:53:53it
00:53:54is
00:53:55public
00:53:56these
00:53:56are
00:53:57people
00:53:57public
00:53:58interest
00:53:58so
00:53:59we
00:53:59have
00:53:59to
00:54:00ground
00:54:00it
00:54:00for
00:54:00what
00:54:00purpose
00:54:01are we
00:54:01studying
00:54:01this
00:54:02about
00:54:02so
00:54:02normative
00:54:03value
00:54:04on
00:54:04that
00:54:04for
00:54:05the
00:54:06good
00:54:06of
00:54:07the
00:54:07people
00:54:07they
00:54:07don't
00:54:09go
00:54:09below
00:54:10the
00:54:10logic
00:54:13etc
00:54:14or
00:54:14those
00:54:16can
00:54:17become
00:54:17secondary
00:54:18parts
00:54:18of
00:54:18it
00:54:18but
00:54:18very
00:54:19essence
00:54:20of
00:54:20the
00:54:20law
00:54:20the
00:54:21law
00:54:21is
00:54:21for
00:54:21the
00:54:21common
00:54:22good
00:54:22so
00:54:22balik
00:54:23as
00:54:23a
00:54:23tao
00:54:23you
00:54:24ground
00:54:24yourself
00:54:24I
00:54:25encourage
00:54:25them
00:54:25participate
00:54:26activities
00:54:27outside
00:54:27the
00:54:27school
00:54:27if
00:54:28you
00:54:28are
00:54:28students
00:54:29participate
00:54:30activities
00:54:32that
00:54:32will
00:54:32open
00:54:33opportunities
00:54:33for
00:54:33you
00:54:34to
00:54:34encounter
00:54:34other
00:54:34people
00:54:35aside
00:54:35from
00:54:35and
00:54:35listen
00:54:36their
00:54:36views
00:54:36yes
00:54:36yes
00:54:37although
00:54:38you
00:54:38opinions
00:54:38or
00:54:39ideas
00:54:40but
00:54:40there
00:54:40are
00:54:41more
00:54:41people
00:54:41who
00:54:42can
00:54:42be
00:54:42more
00:54:42insightful
00:54:43than
00:54:43you
00:54:43example
00:54:45example
00:54:46who has
00:54:46the authority
00:54:49to talk
00:54:49about
00:54:49poverty
00:54:49goberno
00:54:51there
00:54:51will
00:54:51be
00:54:51people
00:54:52who has
00:54:52a
00:54:52story
00:54:53who has
00:54:54been
00:54:55facing
00:54:57that
00:54:57every
00:54:57day
00:54:57so
00:54:58academics
00:54:59we are merely
00:55:02observers
00:55:02at the
00:55:03very
00:55:03end
00:55:03of the
00:55:03day
00:55:04so
00:55:04to
00:55:04make
00:55:04sure
00:55:05that
00:55:05our
00:55:05observations
00:55:06are
00:55:06in fact
00:55:06valid
00:55:07objective
00:55:08reflective
00:55:09of the
00:55:09truth
00:55:09then
00:55:10you
00:55:10go
00:55:10back
00:55:10to
00:55:10the
00:55:11communities
00:55:11open
00:55:12yourself
00:55:12to
00:55:12opportunities
00:55:13that
00:55:13you
00:55:13can
00:55:13learn
00:55:14more
00:55:14aside
00:55:15existing
00:55:16environment
00:55:17and
00:55:18how about
00:55:19the role
00:55:20of
00:55:21faith
00:55:21in terms
00:55:23of
00:55:23the
00:55:23grounding
00:55:24especially
00:55:25300
00:55:26years
00:55:26to
00:55:27our
00:55:28faith
00:55:29is that
00:55:30relevant
00:55:31or
00:55:32how can
00:55:32we make
00:55:33it
00:55:33more
00:55:33relevant
00:55:34faith
00:55:35is
00:55:35relevant
00:55:36politically
00:55:37historians
00:55:38and scholars
00:55:41specifically
00:55:43the
00:55:43Roman
00:55:44Catholic
00:55:44Church
00:55:45played
00:55:46a
00:55:46very
00:55:46important
00:55:47role
00:55:47especially
00:55:47panounced
00:55:48martial
00:55:48law
00:55:48or
00:55:49even
00:55:49post
00:55:49martial
00:55:50law
00:55:50he
00:55:50considered
00:55:50as one
00:55:51of the
00:55:51more
00:55:52influential
00:55:52civic
00:55:53organizations
00:55:54civil
00:55:54society
00:55:55so
00:55:56appeal
00:55:56to
00:55:56the
00:55:57civil
00:55:58society
00:55:59first
00:55:59most
00:55:59of
00:56:00church
00:56:00man
00:56:01but
00:56:01supposedly
00:56:02the
00:56:02NGO
00:56:03NGO
00:56:04but
00:56:05the
00:56:05actives
00:56:06of
00:56:06the
00:56:07promote
00:56:07values
00:56:08against
00:56:08corruption
00:56:09the
00:56:10claim
00:56:11the
00:56:11authority
00:56:12so
00:56:12given
00:56:13the
00:56:13role
00:56:14that
00:56:14national
00:56:15role
00:56:15how
00:56:16do we
00:56:17ensure
00:56:18that
00:56:18that
00:56:18role
00:56:18is
00:56:19fulfilled
00:56:19at
00:56:20the
00:56:20grassroots
00:56:22level
00:56:23the
00:56:24problem
00:56:24or
00:56:25challenge
00:56:26is
00:56:27how
00:56:27connect
00:56:28economic
00:56:28conditions
00:56:29with your
00:56:30faith
00:56:30or
00:56:30same
00:56:31with
00:56:31your
00:56:31principles
00:56:31will
00:56:33I
00:56:37not
00:56:37accept
00:56:38it
00:56:38or
00:56:38do
00:56:39it
00:56:39so
00:56:39when
00:56:41my
00:56:41faith
00:56:42tells
00:56:42me
00:56:42this
00:56:43is
00:56:43wrong
00:56:43or
00:56:44values
00:56:44or
00:56:44principles
00:56:45so
00:56:47sir
00:56:51not
00:56:51i-exam
00:56:51mo
00:56:51and
00:57:03then
00:57:03on
00:57:03the
00:57:04context
00:57:05some
00:57:06people
00:57:06justify
00:57:07what
00:57:07they
00:57:07do
00:57:07because
00:57:08it's
00:57:08a
00:57:08necessary
00:57:09evil
00:57:09how
00:57:10can
00:57:11we
00:57:11also
00:57:11motivate
00:57:12the
00:57:12young
00:57:12ones
00:57:13interesting
00:57:14topic
00:57:15not
00:57:16to
00:57:16go
00:57:17that
00:57:17evil
00:57:17for
00:57:20the
00:57:20better
00:57:20of
00:57:21the
00:57:21majority
00:57:22or
00:57:23the
00:57:23idea
00:57:23of
00:57:24lesser
00:57:24evil
00:57:25choice
00:57:25election
00:57:26you
00:57:26are
00:57:26less
00:57:28bad
00:57:29bad
00:57:29bad
00:57:30bad
00:57:30bad
00:57:32bad
00:57:33bad
00:57:34bad
00:57:35bad
00:57:36bad
00:57:37bad
00:57:38bad
00:57:39bad
00:57:40bad
00:57:41bad
00:57:42bad
00:57:43why
00:57:43there
00:57:43are
00:57:44forms
00:57:45of
00:57:45resistance
00:57:47that
00:57:47would
00:57:48already
00:57:48say
00:57:49major
00:57:50change
00:57:51holistic
00:57:55change
00:57:56that
00:57:56includes
00:57:57culture
00:57:57and
00:57:57the
00:57:57likes
00:57:58so
00:57:58in
00:57:58regards
00:57:59to
00:57:59necessary
00:58:01evil
00:58:01evil
00:58:03good
00:58:03or
00:58:03fall
00:58:05under
00:58:06relative
00:58:06morality
00:58:07evil
00:58:08evil
00:58:10and
00:58:11we
00:58:11have
00:58:11been
00:58:11subjected
00:58:12to
00:58:12that
00:58:12moral
00:58:14relativity
00:58:19despite
00:58:19our
00:58:20common
00:58:20faith
00:58:21but
00:58:22if
00:58:23necessity
00:58:25morally
00:58:28evil
00:58:29evil
00:58:29I don't know where to look at it.
00:58:31I don't know where to look at it.
00:58:33I don't know where to look at it.
00:58:35I don't know where to look at it.
00:58:37I don't know where to look at it.
00:58:39I don't know where to look at it.
00:58:41Again, it can be morally relative.
00:58:43It's a good thing.
00:58:45As much as possible,
00:58:47the situation is changed
00:58:49that you have to choose between
00:58:51the events. So, if you can
00:58:53or you have an alternative
00:58:55to break away from the choices
00:58:57of evil, then why not choose that?
00:58:59Right? So, if you have choices,
00:59:01why don't you look for
00:59:03other choices?
00:59:05Choices are not limited
00:59:07to one or two.
00:59:09The role of grounding
00:59:11Go back to that.
00:59:13Go back to that.
00:59:15Your why.
00:59:17Your insistence.
00:59:19Choices of lesser evil
00:59:21Those are practical questions.
00:59:23It's more of a
00:59:25You have to go back to that.
00:59:27Maybe there is something wrong with the
00:59:29institution that gives you
00:59:31Those choices.
00:59:32Or the process or the mechanisms
00:59:33that provide you only with those choices.
00:59:35And then you go back.
00:59:37What is the essence of that?
00:59:39In politics or in government.
00:59:41And perhaps re-evaluation of
00:59:43the choices that you
00:59:45are given with.
00:59:47So, I think you should evaluate
00:59:49if you are evil or not.
00:59:50Maybe there needs to be a
00:59:51break away of the choices.
00:59:53And I think there is a
00:59:54break away.
00:59:55It's just a matter of
00:59:56finding
00:59:57Yeah.
00:59:58Where is the break away?
00:59:59That is the understanding
01:00:00that your choices
01:00:01is not
01:00:02I believe
01:00:03that your choices
01:00:04are not limited
01:00:05to one or two.
01:00:06It's a matter of
01:00:08you finding
01:00:09a better way.
01:00:10If that's necessary,
01:00:19if that's a
01:00:20necessary evil,
01:00:21if that's evil for some,
01:00:22it's possible.
01:00:24My question is
01:00:25how do you achieve that?
01:00:26Given our
01:00:27Arctic logic
01:00:30Very diverse politically.
01:00:32The concept of unity.
01:00:34of unity.
01:00:35Maybe the problem
01:00:36is to unite
01:00:37or to agree.
01:00:39Corruption
01:00:40moving forward
01:00:41wala color.
01:00:44Moving forward
01:00:45this can be a
01:00:48source of our
01:00:49unifying
01:00:50Unifying
01:00:51So,
01:00:52aapit naman
01:00:53yun alauna.
01:00:54Kanina yun akong last question.
01:00:55Kaya ganahan pagig ko
01:00:56daghan pang ngutana ni mo.
01:00:57Daghan pang ngutana din hi.
01:00:58Kani lang.
01:00:59What scenarios should
01:01:01Filipinos expect
01:01:02if investigations
01:01:03into high-profile figures
01:01:05like that is
01:01:06Kaya's,
01:01:07Speaker Mualdez,
01:01:08and DPWH officials
01:01:09push through
01:01:10or stall?
01:01:11If it's pushed through
01:01:13then I think
01:01:14that's a very good
01:01:15aspect.
01:01:16And I think
01:01:17it would receive
01:01:19positive
01:01:20from the public.
01:01:22Positive in the sense
01:01:23that it will
01:01:24generate outrage
01:01:26definitely.
01:01:27If it's proven
01:01:28that.
01:01:29If it's stall
01:01:30then it's still
01:01:31the same.
01:01:32Because we need justice
01:01:33for what happens.
01:01:34Yes.
01:01:35Because we need to know.
01:01:36The essential
01:01:37principle
01:01:38of our
01:01:39political institutions
01:01:40is to uphold
01:01:41full transparency.
01:01:43total.
01:01:44It's not a matter of
01:01:46state security.
01:01:47Accountability.
01:01:48Accountability.
01:01:49It's not a matter of
01:01:50public funds.
01:01:51It's not a matter of
01:01:52certain information.
01:01:54It's not a matter of
01:01:56information.
01:01:57It will result in
01:01:58China and
01:01:59the Philippines.
01:02:00It's not a matter of
01:02:01Admiral Trinidad.
01:02:02It's not a matter of
01:02:03public interest.
01:02:04It needs to be
01:02:05publicly available.
01:02:07So moving forward
01:02:08if things unravel
01:02:10in a way
01:02:11that
01:02:12can expose
01:02:13expose
01:02:14then I think that would
01:02:15be a good thing.
01:02:16Because we can move
01:02:17forward with
01:02:18the truth.
01:02:19It's more problematic
01:02:20if it's more tall.
01:02:21And hopefully
01:02:23it ends
01:02:24with the
01:02:25conviction.
01:02:26Yeah.
01:02:27Rather than just
01:02:28a full person.
01:02:29For a change.
01:02:30For a change.
01:02:31For a change.
01:02:32For a change.
01:02:33For a change.
01:02:34When in fact
01:02:36this is beyond
01:02:37Diskaya.
01:02:38Ang danger.
01:02:39Ano eh?
01:02:40Kuyo,
01:02:41nagmahorot na sila.
01:02:42Siguro ang nangutan na
01:02:43apil.
01:02:44Lisud na kaayo.
01:02:45Anyway,
01:02:46thank you kaayo ninyo
01:02:47sa imuguras.
01:02:48It's a very
01:02:49insightful
01:02:50discussion.
01:02:51Muragkuwang apikino.
01:02:52So ito na
01:02:53imbit na nagbalik
01:02:54si ninyo.
01:02:55For another discussion.
01:02:56Thank you kaayo.
01:02:57That wraps up our
01:02:58edition for Beyond
01:02:59the Headlines.
01:03:00Today's Conversation.
01:03:01Help shed light
01:03:02on the bigger picture
01:03:03behind the story.
01:03:04I think
01:03:05naka-shed siya
01:03:06o light kayo.
01:03:07Daghan kayong niapil
01:03:08sa itong discussion.
01:03:09Sorry, o hindi na
01:03:10mo umabasa tanan.
01:03:11And once again,
01:03:12we would like to
01:03:13thank our
01:03:14very popular
01:03:15Sir,
01:03:16naiklasi ron.
01:03:17Guest, no?
01:03:18Ninio Olaywar
01:03:19of the Department
01:03:20of Political Science
01:03:21of the University
01:03:22of San Carlos
01:03:23for helping us
01:03:24connect the dots
01:03:25in ways that matter.
01:03:27Okay.
01:03:28Ann Mildred Galarpe.
01:03:29And I'm DJ Moises.
01:03:31Thank you
01:03:32and good afternoon.
01:03:33Good afternoon.
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