00:00They should have flexed in the dugout afterwards.
00:03Oh, he's a young, exuberant player.
00:07He is, and that was a one-run game Tigers lost last night.
00:11You can point to a couple plays.
00:13Riley Green getting thrown out.
00:15That was frustrating.
00:16Dead to rights.
00:17Thrown out by a mile going around third base.
00:20Bellinger had him all the way.
00:21They had the double play in right.
00:23Dominguez gets the little basket catch, the double off.
00:27If Jazz Chisholm, edge of a strike versus a ball,
00:30keeps the at-bat going, and he hits a home run.
00:32Those are the things that decide baseball games.
00:35So you're saying it's a game of inches.
00:37That's what I'm saying, John.
00:38Yeah, it's frustrating because we all know
00:42they're not going to win every single game.
00:43It's pretty obvious.
00:45But they still have that opportunity today
00:48with Scoobble on the mound to win a series.
00:52Just keep winning a series.
00:53I'm not dwelling on last night, really, at all.
00:55No, just as long as one doesn't turn into two,
00:58turn into three, turn into four,
01:00it's, okay, Scoobble's on the mound.
01:02Not that you're bleeding, but stop the bleeding.
01:06Get back into your winning ways.
01:07Win another series.
01:08Right.
01:09No, I think the thing we should spend more time on
01:10is the Pistons.
01:12There's 162 baseball games.
01:13This team's going to have to do a lot of work
01:14if they're going to get back into it.
01:15There's only one NBA draft.
01:16One NBA draft and one important offseason for the Pistons.
01:20They moved up.
01:21Trajan got a guy he likes.
01:22The question from us to you is,
01:25did they get this right?
01:28Rieger said last night people were furious.
01:31He's on taking phone calls after the pick.
01:33Ibuka Okori.
01:35Guard out of Stanford.
01:37Was it the right pick?
01:38Did they get the right guy?
01:40248-539-9797.
01:44And I think most people will shrug and say,
01:48I don't know.
01:50Because you don't know much about Okori.
01:53He wasn't on our radar.
01:54I don't know that anybody from 6-6 or 6-8
01:59was really talking about Ibuka Okori.
02:01Yeah, there's some NBA people that liked him.
02:03I know when he got picked,
02:06they were all over how good he could be.
02:10As you've learned more about him,
02:11do you like it?
02:13I like the prospect of it.
02:15And that's really what he is as a prospect.
02:17He's 18.
02:18He'll be probably 19 by the time the season starts.
02:20So he's young.
02:21There's room for growth.
02:23I like the speed that he plays with.
02:25I like the fact that he can create his own shot.
02:27I like the fact that they mention
02:29he can be disruptive defensively.
02:32All of those things are good.
02:33And does it give some relief to Cade
02:36where Cade doesn't have to be the sole ball handler?
02:41That is the number one question
02:42for every move they make moving forward.
02:44How does this help Cade Cunningham?
02:46Right.
02:47He can fill it up.
02:4923 points per game.
02:5181% of his field goals came unassisted.
02:55He can create his own shot.
02:56I think the two biggest needs this team had
02:58shooting and someone who can get their own shot.
03:03When you start to hear the way he's discussed
03:07speed with the ball,
03:08he's a blur going to the basket,
03:10can create all over the floor.
03:12These are some of the things we were sold with Jaden Ivy.
03:16And Ivy got hurt, didn't have the explosiveness.
03:18It didn't pan out.
03:21Ideally, he's the player you were hoping Ivy would be
03:25with Cade.
03:26But he's not as big as Jaden Ivy.
03:28He's a smaller guard.
03:30And I know they'll say it makes up for it
03:31because of his wingspan.
03:32But can he get to the rim in the NBA
03:35like he did in college?
03:36Right.
03:36Or is he going to get pushed around?
03:37And if he is, then he's ultimately, what,
03:39an upgrade over Sasser or...
03:42Jenkins.
03:42...Dannis Jenkins.
03:43Yeah.
03:43So then I'm not really going to get all hopped up
03:45about the pick.
03:47And maybe that's just the reality.
03:48The later you get in the draft,
03:49the harder it is to love any of these picks.
03:51You're not getting instant impact guys.
03:53And the Pistons are chasing a championship.
03:57Now, what I think is working against him is
04:00Phylon was on the board.
04:02A guy you had talked about.
04:03And Cam Carr from Baylor,
04:04who I had talked about,
04:05were both there for the Pistons.
04:06And if they had just stayed at 21,
04:08they would have been able to get either of those guys.
04:09But they decided that they wanted to go up to 17
04:12to get Okori.
04:14And this was Trajan Langdon talking about
04:16the response of,
04:18why Okori?
04:38A guy that could create for other guys on the floor.
04:42Mm-hmm.
04:44And there's a premium for that,
04:47but it's mostly as a bench role player, right?
04:52Because Cade is going to have the ball
04:53the majority of the time he's playing.
04:55Well, other guys on the floor,
04:56is he able to create for Cade to get easier shots?
05:01Yeah, occasionally.
05:02I think that's the vision.
05:03But Cade should still be the ball-dominant guard
05:06on this team.
05:06So there's going to be a question of
05:07how well does he play off-ball as a smaller guard
05:11if he's on the floor with Cade for extended stretches.
05:13Right.
05:14Well, and again,
05:15we're learning more about him
05:17and we'll get a chance to learn more about him today.
05:19One of the things that was said about him,
05:21his skill set may project more easily
05:22as a second-unit playmaker.
05:24Yeah.
05:25I mean, comps get thrown around all the time.
05:27I saw some people saying that
05:29there's some Tyrese Maxey
05:31as a smaller guard
05:33who can get his shot from everywhere.
05:35Hell yeah.
05:36If they just drafted Maxey.
05:37Tyrese Maxey, yeah.
05:39But how long does it take to get there?
05:41Well, yes.
05:42And I think it's really hard
05:44for an undersized guard
05:45to stick in the league.
05:47There are outliers and examples,
05:49most famously Brunson.
05:51But you have to be special
05:52to make it as an undersized guard.
05:55Yes.
05:56Otherwise, you are relegated to mop-up duty
05:58and get some energy points
05:59end of half,
06:01end of quarter.
06:02Well, and famously,
06:03he wasn't a first-round pick.
06:04Brunson was not.
06:05No.
06:05Right.
06:06And so, yeah,
06:07it is possible.
06:08And that's really what you're getting
06:10when you're picking 21 or 17.
06:11You're not getting a guy that,
06:13oh, this guy is going to come in
06:14and run the show.
06:15He's impactful.
06:17Most likely,
06:18you get a guy that
06:19his best seasons
06:20are going to be
06:21in years three,
06:22four,
06:22and beyond.
06:23Does this put more pressure
06:25on Trajan
06:26to make a significant move
06:28now in free agency
06:29or via trade?
06:30I don't know if it applies
06:31any more pressure
06:33because of what I just said.
06:34Like, you're picking 21.
06:35They moved up to 17.
06:37Right?
06:37You're not getting
06:40Cooper Flagg
06:40at that time.
06:41You're not getting
06:42DeBonsa.
06:43And Yaks didn't fall.
06:44We talked about him
06:45as maybe he would
06:46because he's an older prospect.
06:47He went 11 to the Warriors.
06:48Yeah.
06:48And so, you know,
06:50the truly impactful guys
06:52were off the board.
06:54But he still does need
06:55to address
06:56instant impact
06:57for a team
06:58that's trying to win
06:59a championship.
07:00Correct.
07:01And are we circling back
07:02to Trey Murphy today?
07:03Are we?
07:04Well, we asked that question.
07:06Was Trey Murphy
07:06going to be dealt yesterday?
07:07Were any of those
07:08big three going to be
07:09dealt yesterday?
07:09And none of them were.
07:11And so, yeah,
07:12those conversations
07:13are going to be ongoing
07:15and have to be.
07:16Yes, there still needs to be,
07:18whether it's a free agent
07:19or a trade,
07:21there needs to be
07:22an upgrade
07:22to this roster.
07:23It doesn't change it,
07:24but I don't think
07:24it applies any more pressure.
07:26The text coming in.
07:28Hopefully a better Jenkins.
07:30Isn't it just another Sasser?
07:32And so this is just
07:33Jaden Ivey's replacement,
07:34question mark.
07:36Yeah.
07:37Well, hopefully it's
07:38what Jaden Ivey
07:39was supposed to be.
07:40That's the best case scenario.
07:41Right.
07:42He's replacing three guys.
07:43That's amazing.
07:44That's incredible.
07:46It's unbelievable.
07:47Two, four, eight, five,
07:48three, nine, 97, 97.
07:49Did they get it right?
07:50And I would love to hear
07:51from someone who's truly
07:52outraged by this pick.
07:54Apparently there are people
07:55out there that hate this pick.
07:57I think the reaction
07:58last night was
07:59a reaction to the unknown.
08:01Well, we didn't hear
08:02anybody talking about Okori.
08:05Is this,
08:05I think it was probably
08:08is Trajan trying to be
08:09the smartest guy in the room
08:11type of a pick.
08:13Isn't the Pistons
08:14pick the same player
08:15as Chaz Lanier?
08:16I don't know why
08:17we would draft two
08:17of the same player.
08:18Maybe I'm wrong.
08:22He's now replacing
08:22his fourth guy.
08:23No, Lanier's
08:24an off-ball shooter.
08:26Okori's got the ball
08:27predominantly.
08:28He was,
08:28the ball's in his hand
08:29to create shots.
08:30They're not the same player.
08:33The question will be
08:34how does he play
08:34alongside Cade
08:36or is it just
08:37the second unit?
08:38Texas problem is
08:39he's undersized
08:39so he has to play the one
08:40and you aren't taking it
08:41out of Cade's
08:42hand so he's a backup.
08:43Right.
08:46Okori is solid
08:47if Phylon wasn't available.
08:49Another miss
08:50on a draft pick
08:51Luke and Harrison Township.
08:54Well,
08:54it's going to be one
08:55obviously that we will,
08:58we won't,
08:58we won't really know
08:59the answer to that question
09:01for a couple years.
09:02And maybe
09:03Phylon goes in
09:04and all of a sudden
09:05he has a great rookie season
09:06and we're like,
09:07well,
09:07you know,
09:08that could have been the guy
09:08that helped us get over the top.
09:11But I don't know
09:12that anybody picked
09:1415 or later,
09:15you're sitting there going,
09:16yeah,
09:16that's a game changer.
09:18Why does Cade
09:19have to play point?
09:20He turns it over too much.
09:22Maybe this kid
09:22could start with him.
09:26Again,
09:27as long as,
09:28well,
09:28no,
09:29I don't,
09:29I don't think
09:29that's going to be the case.
09:31And when he,
09:33if they are on the floor
09:33at the same time,
09:34if Corey is the one
09:36that's bringing the ball up,
09:37then it gets to what Trajan
09:39just said,
09:40creating scoring opportunities
09:41for others on the floor.
09:42Does it help
09:43by getting the ball
09:44to Jalen Duren
09:46where he can actually
09:47do something with it?
09:48Does it help by getting
09:49and taking the pressure
09:51off of Cade
09:52as the ball handler,
09:53but he's still your,
09:55he's always going to be
09:55your primary scorer?
09:59I strongly disagree
10:00with this notion
10:01that Cade Cunningham
10:01is not a point guard.
10:03That's not what I'm saying.
10:04no,
10:04not you.
10:04Yeah,
10:05this text
10:05because we get it
10:06from time to time
10:07because of the turnovers.
10:08Cade was number two
10:09in the NBA
10:09in assists per game.
10:10He has the offensive
10:11engine of this team.
10:12Yes,
10:12he puts defenses
10:13in conflict.
10:14He's a bigger guard
10:16and you forfeit
10:17that advantage
10:18if you play him
10:19at the two or the three
10:20and play a smaller
10:21point guard.
10:22I get it for change
10:23of pace,
10:25six minute stretches,
10:26but for 25 to 30
10:28plus minutes of a game,
10:29if Cade isn't
10:31the primary player
10:32with the basketball,
10:33you goofed.
10:35Something's wrong,
10:36right?
10:36He's your best player.
10:37The ball's in his hand.
10:38The idea of the
10:39traditional point guard
10:40is long gone in the NBA.
10:41I don't have to go
10:41on a diatribe.
10:43There are plenty
10:44of players
10:44who play on the wing
10:46or are bigger guards
10:47that initiate the offense
10:49and Cade was very good
10:50at it last year.
10:52Someone who can give
10:52him a breather.
10:53Okay,
10:54someone who's going to
10:56take the ball away
10:57from Cade,
10:58bad.
10:59Agreed.
11:00It's a fine line,
11:00but I push back
11:02on anybody who says
11:03Cade is not a point guard.
11:04It's 97-1.
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