00:00When I was secretary, it was a constant, you know, theme by Netanyahu and his then government,
00:10the then defense minister Ehud Barak, the former prime minister.
00:15It was relentless. It was a constant push.
00:20You know, I remember...
00:22What would he say to you?
00:23What?
00:24What would he say to you?
00:25He would basically say, you need to support us in attacking Iran.
00:34And back then, this was, you know, 2009 to the end of 2012,
00:40we had more capacity than Israel did on several fronts to do that.
00:48And so there was a constant argument that we would have.
00:52And, you know, I remember one day I was on the phone for hours with Ehud, with Bebe, with others,
01:02you know,
01:02and they would say things like, you know, our planes are on the tarmac.
01:06And I'd say, well, good luck. I mean, great.
01:09Why are you doing this?
01:10Where else would planes be other than in the air?
01:13But on the tarmac, ready to take off.
01:15Yes.
01:16Although they'd be in the hangar, but they were on the tarmac.
01:20And, you know, you would say things...
01:23You're saying you were being played.
01:27All the time.
01:28All the time.
01:29I mean...
01:30By an ally that receives an enormous amount of aid.
01:34Well, of course.
01:36And look, Bebe's been obsessed as long as I've dealt with him with two things.
01:44Iran, as you know, and his desire to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia.
01:50The first formal meeting I had with him in 2009, probably March, at the State Department,
01:57it was absolutely, you know, how can we get normalization with Saudi Arabia and how do we totally decapitate Iran?
02:07And he had this view that I think has become very clear in his, you know, dealings with Trump.
02:18Number one, decapitate the regime.
02:20It will fall.
02:22Number two, do enough bombing against enough critical infrastructure.
02:31Try to, you know, disable the military insofar as possible.
02:38The people will rise up.
