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00:30We don't know what exactly was agreed to. And what we do know changes. Depends on who you ask. Questions
00:36remain about whether Iran will have access to billions of dollars of frozen funds and what, if any, concessions Iran
00:42has already agreed to. And while the White House claims that the Strait of Hormuz will be open toll-free,
00:49Iranian officials say it will have fees. Even the question of when we will actually see the text of this
00:56agreement isn't clear. J.D. Vance says maybe tomorrow.
01:00Trump says Friday. But Erickson is not the only Republican taking issue with the lack of transparency around this deal.
01:07Fox News host Mark Levin questions why the American people can't see the, quote, damn MOU.
01:13If it's a great outcome for peace, then release it. He added, don't brief a few anointed ones to control
01:20the narrative and expect everyone else to sit silently. Controlling the narrative can only last so long.
01:26And a new Axios reports finds that there are some skeptics in this administration, too. Sources tell them that the
01:33CIA director, John Radcliffe, advised Trump on some intelligence that raises serious doubts about Iran's willingness to make nuclear concessions.
01:42The source also told Axios that Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth, the defense secretary, have both expressed concerns based on
01:49that intelligence.
01:50Now, while Vance, Steve Whitcoff, and Jared Kushner have all advocated for this deal.
01:57We are now sitting here, I guess, more than a day after apparently the United States and Iran have signed
02:05on to some kind of agreement.
02:06We don't have any text. We just have anonymous officials.
02:09They won't even put their names on the statement, fighting over what is in it.
02:13And I do think one of the basic things is if this agreement is a page and a half long
02:20and it doesn't actually have any hard commitments on the nuclear issue, why are we even talking about sanctions relief?
02:29Why are we even talking about reconstruction funds or releasing any money at all?
02:34Well, we're talking to them because we want this conflict to end and we want to get to an ultimate
02:39goal where Iran doesn't have any or the capacity to make any nuclear weapons.
02:45That is the principal goal. That's number one.
02:46Number two, it would be wise for the administration to put this document out for everybody to look at.
02:51And they ought to do it as soon as they can, both for their allies who are interested, but also
02:56for the American people, because we've gone to war here.
02:59The American people deserve to know how this is going to come to an end.
03:02Number three, I talked to the president on Sunday and he was, you know, telling me he was about to
03:07sign something with Iran.
03:09And he did. And he was excited to get the Strait of Hormuz open.
03:12But he said something very important to me, which is, look, if they don't follow through on their commitments, we
03:17will start hitting them again.
03:18He's clearly not taking further military action off the table.
03:22So we have some miles to travel down this road.
03:24The next mile will be on Friday when there's a formal signing for the people who don't trust Iran.
03:30Look, I agree with you.
03:30I think an Iranian signature is worth very, very little, but it could be worth something if the president keeps
03:36this Middle Eastern coalition together.
03:39What is your understanding of what this deal actually accomplishes?
03:41The accomplishment here principally would be getting all the nuclear material and destroying it.
03:47In this deal?
03:47Because that's not what's in this deal.
03:49No, that's the goal.
03:51No, no, no.
03:51I'm asking you, what do you think this MOU is?
03:53Oh, sorry.
03:53I understand the memorandum of understanding.
03:56Yeah.
03:56So 60 days, cease fire, open the Strait of Hormuz, and you have a window to finalize the discussions about
04:03ending the nuclear program.
04:04The president believes he's got them to agree to do that.
04:07They have 60 days to finalize that.
04:09And again, I'll just stress, as he said to me on Sunday, if they don't follow through on that, I'll
04:14start hitting them again.
04:14Can I just say on the 60 days, though, on the, well, can I just say that on what Scott
04:19was saying on the MOU, 60 days to negotiate anything with Iran when it comes to its nuclear program, we're
04:25not even talking about its ballistic missile program, its support to its proxies, 60 days is aspirational at best.
04:30I think what we understand this agreement to be is trying to restore the Strait to pre-war conditions where
04:38there was freedom of navigation that flew and international law was upheld.
04:42But right now, we don't even know the details of this agreement because Iran is saying that they're going to
04:47charge some type of fee for ships going in and out of the Strait, which would be highly illegal under
04:52international law.
04:53But not only that, we don't know when the Strait is open.
04:55We don't know when the blockade is ending.
04:57And we don't know, I mean, the only, the only ones that can determine if the Strait is open, it's
05:02not Iran, it's not the United States, it's the shipping companies.
05:05If the shipping...
05:05New costs to get through it.
05:07No one believes that this happens in a couple of months.
05:11So the idea that we can, this deal may start the reopening, but it will not reopen the Strait.
05:17I mean, I don't even know that we should even be calling it a deal of any kind.
05:21Because, just to be clear, if it's a deal, you should be able to say, before you even sign it,
05:28here's what we both agreed to.
05:30Anna, did you know that John Thune, Senate Majority Leader, has not even been briefed, he told Manu Raju today.
05:38He has not been briefed on this.
05:39Actually, I did know that because I listened to Manu say that.
05:42And nobody in Congress has been briefed.
05:44Our families are asking, what's in this deal?
05:48Under what circumstances would the United States sign a document with Iran and not tell anybody?
05:54And it's, you know, so J.D. Vance told Jake Tapper that it is a page and a half.
06:01I have tweets longer than that.
06:02My grocery shopping list for Thanksgiving is longer than that.
06:06So it's not like they have that briefing them on what's in this MOU should be that difficult, because there
06:13doesn't seem to be that much in that MOU.
06:16I think it feels like it's kicking the can down the road and giving them 60 days to come up
06:21with something else.
06:23But, you know, Donald Trump has done a terrible job selling this entire thing from the beginning.
06:29He never went in front of the American people.
06:31He never went in front of Congress to explain it thoroughly.
06:34I think he gets another shot at doing it now, and he should do it, and he should do it
06:39expeditiously,
06:40because a lot of these attacks are coming from inside the House.
06:44So if he doesn't even have his allies on board selling this, he needs to be clear and transparent with
06:50the American people,
06:51and certainly with Congress, because if he's going to be disbursing any money, they've got to authorize it.
06:57First, on that point, there's no dispersal of funds.
07:00I know, and this is what I wanted to address.
07:01I think the administration today has been pretty upset about what they say is misinformation flying around out there, even
07:09from some of their own things.
07:10They have no right to be upset about misinformation when they won't release the document.
07:13If I may finish.
07:14It's that simple.
07:15If I may.
07:16The quickest way to dispel any misinformation would, of course, be to put the document out and say,
07:22here's what our intentions are when we get to Friday, and here's what our intentions are over the 60-day
07:27period.
07:27So hopefully they do that in the next 24 hours, and that will bring some clarity.
07:30Here's one other thing.
07:32It doesn't count to claim we are not going to be dispersing funds.
07:37If there's a $300 billion fund that we are authorizing to be dispersed to the Iranians, which I'll play what
07:46J.D. Vance said about that, that is not actually being disputed by the administration.
07:51Listen.
07:52The Iranians are saying that they're going to have access to a $300 billion reconstruction fund.
07:57True or false?
08:00Well, Ed, that's the sort of thing they could have access to, funded by the Gulf Coast Coalition, so long
08:07as they honor their end of the obligation.
08:09We absolutely are open to the Gulf Coast countries investing in the reconstruction of Iran, but only if Iran ends
08:17their nuclear program, ends their enriched stockpile of material,
08:21and is really open to an inspections and enforcement regime that gives the American people confidence they're never going to
08:27have a nuclear weapon.
08:30So there it is.
08:31What are they mad about?
08:32Look, I mean, I don't think that...
08:33They said it in a call.
08:34Vance said it on TV.
08:36$299 billion dollars more than Obama negotiated with Iran.
08:39I don't think it matters whether...
08:40When the JCPOA was signed, the money was not tax-free or dollars.
08:46That was Iranian money that was being held in frozen accounts.
08:49So it doesn't matter if it's our money or not.
08:52It's a good point.
08:53Even if it is the Gulf States money, I don't think the median GOP-based voter is going to be
08:58particularly thrilled with the notion of releasing $300 billion in funds to the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism.
09:03That's not why we got into this.
09:05But here's what I will say.
09:06Me, personally, I'm a bomb the terrorists guy.
09:08If that didn't work and I was president, I would probably just bomb the terrorists some more.
09:11But I'm not the president.
09:12Donald Trump is.
09:13He was elected on a kind of dual message.
09:16One, the Iranians can never have a nuclear weapon.
09:18And two, we're also not going to get into endless quagmire wars in the Middle East.
09:23To me, this looks like the execution of that process.
09:25Can I just tell you that...
09:26Let me just finish the point.
09:27The bombing of terrorists...
09:28The bombing of terrorists, we can both agree on, but bombing Iran into submission did not work.
09:33Well...
09:33And Iran...
09:34Maybe that's...
09:34In March, the president tweeted that Iran will unconditionally surrender, and that just has not happened.
09:40Look, kinetically and militarily, this administration has set the Iranian nuclear program back years.
09:46It has set the domestic...
09:47Yeah, it's set the nuclear program back to where it was when the JCPOA was in...
09:53Well, we've also done significant damage to...
09:55But here's the other...
09:55I mean, this is actually amazing to me.
09:57And, Sabrina, maybe you have some insights into this.
09:59Okay.
09:59And, Charles, too, because I know you talk about this a lot.
10:02Trump told the New York Times that Iran could enrich uranium forever for non-military purposes.
10:07He said they could enrich to a low level that could...
10:10It could never be used by the military.
10:12They could never go beyond a certain point.
10:14When asked whether that limit was the same as in the Obama-era agreement, which limited enrichment to 3.67%,
10:21a level that's usable in power reactors but not weaponry,
10:24he said that only the new...
10:27Only that the new accord would ensure that they could only enrich for non-military purposes forever.
10:32The president is probably not aware that that very thing that he just said they could do is one of
10:39the main reasons why Republicans opposed the JCPOA.
10:42They did not believe...
10:43How could he not be aware?
10:45That they did not believe there should be any enrichment at all.
10:48Right.
10:49Okay?
10:49So he is already conceding that.
10:51And the first line of the JCPOA was that Iran commits to never having a nuclear weapon.
10:57And so, you know, this is what's concerning about this administration.
11:01And Scott and I have talked about this, too.
11:02It's like the messaging from the beginning has been off.
11:05He didn't make the case to the American public.
11:07And now, you know, unfortunately, the United States, I think, had the upper hand last year after Midnight Hammer was
11:13executed.
11:14And the, you know, enriched uranium was sitting under a pile of rubble.
11:17And by the way, it still is because we haven't struck those sites.
11:20But now we have a completely different aspect at play here, which is the Strait of Hormuz.
11:24And we're talking about negotiating on opening the Strait, something that wasn't even a condition where this war began.
11:31It wasn't even a factor in the war.
11:33But now we are talking...
11:33But, Scott, does the president understand even what the differences are between what he is negotiating today and what he
11:40called a bad deal 10 years ago?
11:42Well, I think he might say that one of the differences is that he's brought together all of the Arab
11:47states in the Gulf against Iran.
11:49We've never had that condition before where the Middle Eastern countries are saying,
11:53we've had enough of these guys and we're going to hold them to it.
11:55That's one difference.
11:57Okay.
11:57The JCPOA had the UN's backing.
12:00It had the EU's backing and several other states outside of the EU.
12:04China, Russia, the people who are actually most in a position to help Iran were a part of the last
12:18deal to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon.
12:22Today, we don't even... we're not even talking about China.
12:24We're not talking about Russia.
12:25Abby, you made a good point.
12:26Abby, you made a good point at the front end of this when you said we still don't know what's
12:29in this MOU.
12:29And then Anna actually made a good point, which is that there's 60 days going on longer where we don't
12:33know what's going to happen.
12:34I happen to believe this president, if he likes one thing, it's optionality.
12:38Okay?
12:38So he's going to see where this leads.
12:40He's going to pursue this process.
12:42Look, there were a lot of people in this administration who were not supportive of where the president was at
12:45with his instincts with regard to Iran at the front end of this conflict.
12:49Now, tables have shifted a little bit.
12:51You call it optionality.
12:52I call it aimlessness.
12:54I call it aimlessness.
12:55He may not understand what the difference is between the two deals, the Obama deal and the potential Trump deal,
13:02if we ever see one.
13:03But I will tell you...
13:04I think the difference is it's backed up by a credible force.
13:06Let me finish.
13:07There's going to be a ton of experts who explain it clearly to the American public once we see what
13:13this final deal is
13:14and who are going to make a comparison and a contrast.
13:17And it's going to be very hard for Donald Trump to pretend he got a better deal after he panned
13:23the other deal for 10 years if he didn't.
13:25And he can say it over and over and over again, but it means that people like Scott, who've been
13:30arguing what the deal needs to be for the last four months,
13:34is going to have to bend yourself into a pedestal shape or have some integrity.
13:37If the deal is what the administration says it is, then it's a good deal.
13:40If the deal is what the Iranians say it is, then it's a bad deal.
13:43It depends on half of a deal.
13:46You haven't seen that page and a half, Charles.
13:47It doesn't matter what the page is.
13:49It's a page and a half.
13:50The other deal was 159 pages.
13:53You know why?
13:54It took years to hammer it out.
13:55You know why?
13:56Because the devil is in the details.
13:58You have to make sure...
14:00The devil is in the details.
14:01The Iranians are like rich people and tax lutholes.
14:05They're going to look for every one of them.
14:06They're going to look for every one of them.
14:08And the Iranians are going to look for every way to bend the deal so that they can get out
14:12of it and also still be adhered to it.
14:14And so the reason that you have to...
14:15The reason...
14:16Can you just wait for one second?
14:17The reason that you have to negotiate for a very long time and hammer through every one of the minor
14:23issues, every date, every inspector access,
14:27is because you want to make sure that they can't weasel out of it.
14:30A page and a half is not going to do that.
14:32And here's the problem.
14:34Here's the political problem.
14:36So let's say the Iranians know that they have the upper hand here.
14:40Let's say they don't come to an agreement in 60 days.
14:43Do you think that the president is going to go back and start bombing on the verge of the midterms?
14:48Maybe.
14:48And send prices to gas to the roof.
14:50Maybe.
14:50That he'd be an idiot.
14:51And just...
14:52You're an idiot.
14:53You're an idiot.
14:54He is an idiot.
14:55He's an idiot to get into it.
14:56And he's going to be an idiot when he starts bombing again after the Iranians do this.
15:01All right.
15:01He cannot get out of it without losing it.
15:02And then I'm an idiot.
15:03You might be.
15:04I don't know.
15:05I never met you.
15:06I didn't mention it.
15:07You might be an idiot.
15:08All right.
15:08We're going to leave it there, guys.
15:09Next for us, more breaking news tonight.
15:12Gavin Newsom says the DOJ is investigating his wife and has a blunt warning for Donald Trump.
15:18Plus, a UFC fighter smears Michelle Obama at the White House, but the administration refuses to condemn it.
15:25We'll discuss that next.
15:33Tonight, California's Governor Gavin Newsom says that the Department of Justice is investigating his family.
15:38In a video posted to social media, Newsom said that the move is politically motivated.
15:44Donald Trump isn't just coming after me because of my mean tweets.
15:48He's coming after me because I'm considering running for president, because he hates that I've consistently called him out over
15:56and over again for his lies and deceit.
16:00Donald Trump is simply the most corrupt president in American history.
16:06One by one, anyone who has challenged Donald Trump has ended up on his hit list.
16:11And today, I proudly joined that list.
16:14If they can't intimidate me, they'll go after the mother of our children.
16:19Donald Trump picked the wrong target.
16:22We have nothing to hide.
16:25Well, this is the most unorthodox presidential candidate announcement I've ever heard.
16:30A source tells CNN that there's no investigation directly into the governor, but DOJ is leading probes into people connected
16:37to him, including his wife, over possible tax-related crimes.
16:41The source says that DOJ's political leadership was not involved in the investigation's origin, but had instead been prompted by
16:48whistleblower reports last year.
16:50CNN reached out to the FBI for comment, and the Justice Department declined to comment.
16:55Anna, you were saying unconventional presidential announcement.
16:58Unconventional presidential announcement.
17:00Newsom's going to be out of office in six months.
17:03There's actually an issue that came up in the gubernatorial primaries, and it involves a former Newsom chief of staff
17:12who, follow me here, committed fraud and stole campaign fronts from Javier Becerra, who is now the gubernatorial candidate frontrunner
17:22to be the next governor of California.
17:25I have this weird suspicion and inkling that if Donald Trump and his DOJ, which I believe is weaponized against
17:35his enemies, can do anything to somehow revive that and tie it to Becerra to try to cause him harm,
17:42they will try to do that.
17:43But the prosecutors have said, the DOJ have said already, that Becerra was the victim in that case.
17:50It was his campaign funds that were stolen, but they were stolen by a former chief of staff of...
17:56Dana Williamson.
17:58Dana Williamson of Newsom.
17:59The alleged activity was before she worked for Newsom.
18:03So it really doesn't touch Newsom at all.
18:08However, his wife is a different story.
18:11And I guess the real allegation here is that the feds are basically searching for a crime.
18:18They're pulling documents at random, going through them, talking to people, just trying to find something.
18:24This CNN's reporting says that Newsom's office said the federal agents have contacted people and organizations connected to both the
18:31governor and his wife and conducted interviews related to years of personal and professional activity.
18:36The office said it believes subpoenas have been sent based on what was asked in the interviews, but it has
18:41seen no proof.
18:42There was a recent flurry of activity related to the probe in recent weeks.
18:46What do you make of it, Charles?
18:48You might want to go to the next question, because I don't know what to make of this story.
18:50Because, you know, there was a line in the New York Times story where one of the California prosecutors said
18:55that it was initiated by their offices, not by the feds.
18:59So it's not clear to me where what's true here, if you clear out all the smoke, where the fire
19:05is.
19:05You know, it is unfortunate that the president has gone after his political enemies, because that is always a suspicion.
19:14But right now it's just a suspicion and what Newsom says, and we have to figure out what the backs
19:18are beyond those two things.
19:20You know, it's hard to imagine that a guy who's been fantasizing about running for president as long as Newsom
19:28has would be reckless enough to not have crossed every T, dotted every I,
19:36particularly knowing that Donald Trump weaponizes his government against his enemies and would not have, you know, been very judicious
19:44about things like tax filings of him and his family.
19:47Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're saying that you, you, you find it hard to
19:51believe that Kevin Newsom hasn't been or wouldn't have been reckless?
19:57Their taxes are publicly available.
19:58Yeah.
19:58I mean, I think his years of personal judgment would indicate otherwise.
20:03Anybody in our politics hasn't been reckless.
20:06I mean, there are plenty of instances of people not crossing their T's and dotting your own.
20:09What are you, I mean, look, look, look, look, look, he's, he's, he's had all sorts of issues.
20:12He married Donald, he married Donald Trump Jr.
20:16I want to hear this.
20:16Look, I think Gavin Newsom is not under investigation, according to our reporting.
20:22There was a local whistleblower.
20:24That's the local office that's looking into it.
20:26Some people have also said this investigation may actually date back to the Biden years.
20:31And I kind of agree with you.
20:33Beyond that, I don't really know what he did.
20:35You're dodging the question we asked you, which was, what are you talking about?
20:37What is his personal issue?
20:38How about behested payments, which is something that the Washington Free Beach has done in the reporting.
20:43I was trying to answer your question.
20:45I didn't ask you a question.
20:46Look, I think Gavin Newsom's had, you know, a career that has exhibited questionable judgment in office and in his
20:55personal life.
20:56Are you able to articulate what these are?
20:57I think you can criticize a record and someone's management of a state.
21:03I think that's different than going after and weaponizing the DOJ against their family.
21:08And they have publicly released their tax filings.
21:11I mean, they're available online.
21:11What if his record in governing the state has been the subject of the DOJ?
21:17Well, that's not the subject of the DOJ is we don't have a lot of information about this.
21:21Well, they've said that they're not investigating him.
21:23Yeah.
21:24So it's not.
21:25So it might be into his activities, right?
21:27No.
21:29It's not his.
21:30Yeah.
21:31I mean, as far as we know, I mean, from what we know, it is apparently not related to him
21:36personally or, you know, him in terms of his own individual activity.
21:41So, I mean, look, if it were related to his actions as governor, I mean, that would be a fairly
21:46easy thing.
21:46But we should explain what behestive payments are and what they do in California.
21:50They're essentially a legalized form of pay-to-play where the governor can come forward and point to specific nonprofits.
21:56You just said that they were legal.
21:57A legalized form of pay-to-play.
21:59Okay.
21:59So then why are we even talking about it?
22:00Because you just acknowledged that it's legal.
22:02According to California's system.
22:04Okay.
22:05Well, he's the governor of California.
22:06But then what's the point?
22:07And we have no idea.
22:08What is the point of having a pay-to-play relationship with your donors?
22:11What is the legal activity?
22:12If you are rewarding your donors, it has been payments to your wife.
22:16But number one, those activities are legal.
22:17And number two, he's not under investigation.
22:20If you are then in turn, the payments may be legal.
22:22But if you are handing out favorable political treatment following.
22:25Not at all.
22:26It's just so true.
22:26He's not under investigation and the payments are legal.
22:29What are we talking about?
22:30What are you talking about?
22:31I mean.
22:31I believe that one.
22:32I think it's a lot of spending.
22:33The Biden fighter hurls an insult at the former first lady, Michelle Obama.
22:37Meanwhile, Dana White calls it out.
22:39But from Trump's White House, we hear nothing.
22:42Crickets.
22:42No condemnation.
22:44We'll discuss that next.
22:52Tonight, the Sunday night spectacle at the White House overshadowed by a smear.
22:56The Trump administration has refused to condemn a UFC fighter after he used his post-fight interview
23:03to disparage Michelle Obama.
23:07And lastly, Michelle Obama is a man.
23:13Am I right, America?
23:17Ladies and gentlemen, Josh Hulkin.
23:21Before making that comment, he won his fight and gifted Donald Trump a necklace, complimenting
23:26the president for, quote, having the balls to host a fight at the White House.
23:29And while the UFC's CEO, Dana White, called the comments nasty and false, dismissing them
23:36as nonsense, the White House has remained silent on the incident.
23:39In response to an inquiry from CNN's Jake Tapper, the White House communications director, Stephen
23:44Chung said that Hokut had a great win last night.
23:47Officials declined to respond when pressed by Tapper.
23:51How shameful is it that Dana White has to be the one to say it's false and it's terrible
24:00and the White House can't say the same?
24:02Yeah, I don't know.
24:03It seems like the easiest layup in the world, right?
24:05Just condemn it.
24:06It's absurd.
24:06It's nonsensical.
24:07It's not true.
24:08It's also like you had this good event.
24:11You managed to do it logistically, right?
24:14The weather somehow parted.
24:15You were able to put this thing together.
24:16It wasn't the raining mosquito swamp that everybody anticipated it would be.
24:20You got some great pictures, some great shots, celebration of America.
24:24It was over the top.
24:25It was Trumpy.
24:26It was conservative, but it was patriotic, and that's kind of what they intended for,
24:30for America 250.
24:31So you've got this gross guy who, by the way, shows up to the weigh-in, Josh Hokut, okay?
24:35And he's vomiting on himself and talking about how he was drinking the night before.
24:39It's the easiest thing in the world.
24:40Just don't have this guy participate in the fight to begin with.
24:42They knew how to do it with Sean Strickland, who's another crazy UFC guy.
24:46That's an argument, one of the reasons why a lot of people thought that having a UFC fight
24:53at the White House was in poor taste.
24:55And so you know that that's already the narrative going into this thing.
24:59You have someone then say something that's horrible at the White House, right, about a
25:05former first lady.
25:06And these people in the White House, Stephen Chung, the president, nobody has the guts or
25:14the decency to say, that's inappropriate, it shouldn't have been said, it's wrong.
25:19Why?
25:20Yeah, I would do that.
25:21I would say we don't endorse these comments.
25:23But why won't they?
25:24I don't know.
25:25I haven't really talked to them about it.
25:26I mean, my...
25:27You talked to the president on Sunday.
25:29My assumption is...
25:30Yeah, Sunday morning.
25:31My assumption is that they get asked to condemn things all the time.
25:36Everybody everywhere that says something, they're constantly being asked to condemn things.
25:39And my guess is they just sort of have a policy not to do it.
25:41There are some things that they should condemn.
25:43This is a pretty easy one.
25:44This is a former first lady.
25:46I don't get it.
25:47The idea that they always have to condemn things is not an excuse for not condemning things
25:51that should be condemned.
25:52He can't condemn it because he too has engaged in conspiracy theories against Michelle Obama.
25:58In December, he retweeted or reposted a meme about her having snuck into the Oval Office
26:06and used Joe Biden's auto pen to depart people.
26:10He, Donald Trump, reposted that.
26:13In February, he reposted another smear of her that said she was an anti-white racist.
26:20And Don Jr. himself, two years ago on Trans Visibility Today, posted this very same meme
26:27that this guy expressed the other night, that Michelle Obama was trans.
26:33And he did not condemn it then, so he cannot condemn it now.
26:37He is involved in it.
26:39They believe that this is something that's near and dear to the hearts of their base,
26:43and so they coddle it.
26:44I think not apologizing.
26:46That's exactly what's going on.
26:46But what Democrat apologized for when Tim Walz and all these elected Democrats on the campaign
26:51trail were pumping out the notion that J.D. Vance was having sex with a couch, which
26:55is an equally absurd and ridiculous story to tell.
26:58Our politics are going to be really ugly.
27:00We should all condemn this stuff.
27:01I actually agree with you on that.
27:03I always thought that the couch memes were just beneath the dignity of people seeking
27:09the high office.
27:10I will say one thing.
27:12Michelle Obama is a former first lady, okay?
27:16She's a former first lady, period.
27:18So, to me, it's not that hard to say, we don't go there.
27:23But again, to Charles' point, this is the same president who reposted an image of Obama
27:28and of the Obamas as apes, not a long time ago, and he didn't apologize for it.
27:35Well, listen, this line of attack against Michelle Obama has been going on in right-wing extremist
27:43circles for years and years and years.
27:46So, he doesn't want to confront it, because it would mean confronting part of his base.
27:50He doesn't want to condemn it or apologize for that, because he thinks that shows weakness.
27:55But all I'll say is this.
27:57Whenever there is a Democrat back in the White House, and they invite Robert De Niro, and
28:02Robert De Niro stands in the White House and says, fuck Trump, or starts talking about,
28:07you know, what Melania Trump did, I don't want anybody who has remained silent right now
28:13raising their hand or saying a thing, because it's got to, you know, there's things that
28:18are just condemnable.
28:20These are the same people who want a comedian fired because of a lame joke about Melania Trump.
28:27And yet, they don't have the, you know, the guy said he had the balls to host the UFC,
28:33but he doesn't have the balls to condemn what is clearly condemnable.
28:36Let me play what Dave Portnoy said about all of this.
28:40He's the Barstool Sports founder.
28:44I do think Trump has to denounce.
28:47Yeah.
28:47And anybody associated with it has to denounce.
28:51When you have that on the White House lawn, an event you put down, I don't care what you
28:56think about the Obamas or anything, that has to be an immediate denounce.
29:00Like, wrong doesn't speak for me.
29:02Trump should denounce it.
29:03He should say, that was totally wrong.
29:05The event itself, listen, the troops seem to love it.
29:09All the people there seem to love it.
29:12I have no problem with it.
29:13I think you're crying over spilled milk if you are upset about the actual event.
29:18But that comment, if you're going to do it, own it and be like, we don't, that, that was
29:22wrong and should never happen.
29:24Well, can I just say that not only has this comment now overshadowed this event, to your
29:31point about the time and effort that this took, I mean, there was a pretty incredible flyover
29:36that took place for the event.
29:39This has now completely overshadowed it.
29:41And it's so simple to just condemn this comment.
29:44And Dave Portnoy speaks to Trump's base.
29:46If he can do it, I mean, it seems like this would be so simple.
29:51I think we're all in agreement that this should be condemned by that.
29:54The forcing of our discourse is bad.
29:56No, not at all.
29:57I mean, I don't think we're expecting.
29:58Actually, that's not true.
29:59Remember at the end of the campaign when that comedian made the comment at Madison Square Garden?
30:03About Puerto Rico being an aisle of a loading aisle of a crash?
30:05The campaign actually, they didn't put out a statement.
30:08Look, Portnoy's a smart guy.
30:09He's a Michigan man, so there's no surprise there.
30:11I honestly think if both parties took a little bit of their communication.
30:14Oh, we're not going to equalize here.
30:15No, we're not going to equalize here.
30:17Don't do the dope vote parties thing right now.
30:19Charles, the point is, if both parties move their policy orientation a bit closer to Dave Portnoy's on political...
30:26No, no, no, no.
30:28All right, man, I'm just trying to make a simple point here.
30:29That this guy is a conventional, fiscal, conservative, social, liberal, apolitical on a lot of culture war questions.
30:36My simple point to you, Charles, is this.
30:38Portnoy is correct.
30:39And he takes the same position you do, that this is bad and it should be condemned.
30:43My simple point to you is this.
30:43It's that there's a historical reason that this is a problem.
30:47And this is why Donald Trump is in the position he's in.
30:50From the very beginning, the Obama's very existence was an affront.
30:55And from the very beginning, part of it you could say was regular politics.
30:58You try to, opposition research, try to figure out things about people that you can say.
31:01But it got very personal and it got down to identity and character and whether or not these two black
31:07people were who they said they were and were they legitimate at all.
31:12And we went through all sorts of, are they terrorists, are they actually Christians, were they born here, all sorts
31:19of things.
31:19And then when he got in office, we got past that.
31:21So not campaign anymore.
31:23Everything he did was disrespecting the office of the president because he was black.
31:30And I don't care what, you can say whatever you want.
31:32You're totally entitled to that view.
31:33I know I'm entitled to everything I say.
31:36It was because he was black.
31:38Because he came in and he worked in the Oval Office without a jacket on.
31:41And people said that's a disrespect to the office.
31:43Okay, but the point is that this negative comment was made about Michelle Obama last night.
31:49And I watched the president slowly remove that chain that Josh Hokett gave him a few minutes earlier because he
31:54knew this was not something you want to be able to say something.
31:58To Charles' point, Candace Owens has for months and months, if not years, been spreading this conspiracy theory about the
32:09first lady of France.
32:12And Trump's condemned that explicitly.
32:13That's the point.
32:15Exactly, that's the point.
32:16She's white.
32:16I've been saying he should condemn her.
32:18When the white lady gets called a man, he condemns it when the black lady gets called a man.
32:23She's white.
32:23He stays silent.
32:25I don't think Trump is happy this happened.
32:27Speaking of Robert De Niro, who was brought up here tonight, he tells a crowd that he can't love the
32:33U.S. with Trump in charge.
32:34We'll discuss that next.
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