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00:15Hello.
00:16When Australian Story first met inventor Saul Griffith in 2023,
00:21he was on a mission to change the world one suburb at a time.
00:26He'd been making great progress in the US with his plan to electrify households
00:31and he was bringing the dream to Australia to show that people power
00:36could drive genuine climate change action.
00:39Saul expected there'd be challenges along the way,
00:42but things got even tougher than he'd imagined.
00:53It's a dark time to be a climate person in the US.
00:58You know, three years ago, the mood was jubilant, euphoric.
01:01It was like, wow, we've really achieved something generational.
01:04This is the most ambitious climate policy we've seen anywhere in the world.
01:09Big changes for millions of Americans after President Joe Biden signed a major bill
01:14into law to address climate change.
01:16Embedded in the legislation was a historic $570 billion potential investment
01:23in the US households and in electrification.
01:27That would never have happened without Saul Griffith.
01:31It felt like there was momentum.
01:33All of that has turned around in the last four months, really.
01:38President Trump has repealed US power to regulate climate in this country.
01:42The president officially rejecting the science.
01:44It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world.
01:49All of my colleagues in the climate movement here,
01:52they're feeling pretty bad because it's demonstrably being destroyed.
01:59Saul is an Australian and American inventor.
02:01In 2007, he was awarded the MacArthur Genius Award.
02:09Saul has been working at the cutting edge of this incredible transition for many years.
02:14Saul's work, it can be an up and down process,
02:16and I think America has been very difficult for him.
02:21Australia is so lucky to some extent to be where we are.
02:25And so this is a bit of a pep talk that it's all possible.
02:28This is a postcard from the future.
02:30And when I say the future, I mean today in Australia
02:32and many other parts of the world.
02:36What Saul's achieved isn't a story of just Saul inventing stuff by himself.
02:40It's a story of Saul actually galvanising groups of people to get stuff done.
02:44We need electric power music.
02:46Oh, outside.
02:48Yeah.
02:48We've got an up and running pilot that when we first, you know, were talking to you,
02:53it was just a concept that we were working hard on as a bunch of volunteers.
02:57And then it's actually just kick-started a whole lot of other things nationwide.
03:03It's a lot of two steps forward, one step backwards.
03:06But then if you're not maintaining optimism, you're giving up.
03:09So there's a little bit of like, you just have to keep saying, we can do this.
03:15We've shifted the slope and we're on the way up, but we're just not doing it fast enough.
03:30Saul is always juggling many balls.
03:34His brain is constantly spinning.
03:36Guys, I need three minutes.
03:38Saul's been running Otherlab for the past decade or more in the United States.
03:43They do a lot of usually climate related projects.
03:47I'm Saul Griffith presenting Project PowerCord.
03:50It's an R&D company.
03:52We develop new technologies.
03:54And when those technologies show promise, commercial promise,
03:57we spin them out into startup companies and then help them launch into the world.
04:04Saul continues to work as an integral part of rewiring America.
04:09He's very actively engaged with our strategy for electrifying our country.
04:17I lived and worked in the US from 25 till about almost 50, so 25 years.
04:25I really thought I had wholly committed to the US,
04:29but our family weren't really happy in San Francisco.
04:34And we just decided that, combined with COVID,
04:37we thought, well, let's give Australia a go,
04:39at least until COVID blows over.
04:40And so we moved just north of Wollongong.
04:43We found we really loved it.
04:54Coming to Australia was just a natural evolution of what he's doing.
04:57I mean, he just looks around wherever he is and says,
05:00hey, how can I fix things here?
05:03One of the most common topics of conversation at the beaches around here is,
05:06isn't the water a little bit too warm for this kind of year?
05:11I kind of knew him as like a Silicon Valley character
05:14who was an Australian that had done amazing work in the USA.
05:18Some local parents came to me and they said,
05:20is there something better we can do for more near-term climate action?
05:24This high political policy never works at community level.
05:27And I said, well, why don't we see if we can organise our own community
05:29to become Australia's first all-electric zero-emission community?
05:32And we can even maybe get some help from the state government,
05:35the federal government.
05:36We all just latched straight on and said, great, that is like, we can do that.
05:39For, honestly, what would be the first community in the world to really commit?
05:43Most of us are parents and we're all really committed
05:46to pragmatic solutions to the climate crisis.
05:50Communications and protocols to work with a grid...
05:52The general population would like some optimism.
05:55They would like to know what can we actually do.
05:58One really obvious way to get to zero emissions in households
06:01is to electrify all of our machines that currently burn fossil fuels
06:05and then to produce all of the electricity for those machines with renewables.
06:09Sol is a compulsive optimist, which I think is why he is able to do this work.
06:14But he's not the kind of optimist who says, oh, technology will solve all our problems.
06:19You know, he's saying, we can solve this if we all work together.
06:30We didn't grow up anywhere fancy.
06:34We grew up in the southern suburbs of Sydney and it was my sister and I.
06:41Hi, Mum!
06:42Hi, love!
06:44My mum was an artist.
06:46Hey, gorgeous.
06:47Hi.
06:48I learned from my mother a genuine appreciation of art,
06:52of architecture, of the natural world.
06:56Whenever we got a chance, it was school holidays,
06:58we'd pack up the car and we'd go camping.
07:01It was very much a nature-based environment.
07:05I would never tolerate children who said that they were bored.
07:09If you dare say you're bored, you must do something useful with your time.
07:14And Sol was never bored. He always found projects to do.
07:19Dad was an engineer and academic.
07:21I enjoyed fiddling and tinkering and engineering on weekends.
07:25There's children solving who lost the Allen keys in 1995.
07:29And I'm pretty sure it was him.
07:32It could be true, but I'm not admitted.
07:35I learned to swear and to misplace tools from my father.
07:40I also learned from him to not fear any machine.
07:44Ronda the Honda.
07:45We inherited this car with a condom on its exhaust pipe when I was 15,
07:50and it was the project by which I avoided studying VHSC.
07:54So we basically pulled it apart and put it all back together again.
07:59I remember falling into pieces and you coming home and telling me I did it all wrong.
08:02Maybe.
08:03But we managed to get it back together and it ran.
08:07When it was finished, that little wreck looked brand new.
08:18We had a fearless approach to anything in my childhood that was broken.
08:23We just like, oh, we'd fix it.
08:25Or if we needed a thing that didn't exist, we'd make it.
08:31It's a bit trite to say that learning how a car works is important,
08:35but if you approach it and deal with the science and the engineering involved,
08:40he learned a lot.
08:43I first studied metallurgical engineering at the University of New South Wales.
08:49Then I bummed around the world for a little while,
08:51came back and started an advanced degree at Sydney.
08:54But while I was there, I got accepted on scholarship
08:57to go to Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
09:01MIT is such an extraordinary place.
09:04I mean, it's a gathering of all the nerdiest nerds.
09:07It was my first experience of an education environment
09:10where everyone loved being there
09:13because it was making them realize their dreams.
09:16I met Arwen on Halloween 2001.
09:19She was an undergraduate student from Harvard.
09:23She told me that on our first date,
09:25that she wanted to have children that were like me.
09:28And then she remembers being like,
09:29whoa, that means I have to marry someone like that.
09:34I remember one of our first weekends together,
09:37we met up in Florida.
09:39And the thing that really got across what a unique mind he had
09:42was we were sitting on the dock looking out at the sunset.
09:45And I said, oh, what are you thinking of?
09:47And he said, well, I was thinking that if we lived on a planet
09:49with different rules of gravity,
09:51I could hold you out over the water
09:53so that you could dip your toes in the way that I'm doing
09:56so you could experience this amazing ocean,
09:58you know, because he has longer legs.
09:59And I thought, oh, that was not what I was thinking.
10:06Early on, I thought I will never be bored with this guy,
10:09and I never am.
10:10Sometimes I would like to be slightly more bored.
10:14I'm Tim Anderson.
10:15I'm Eric Wilhelm.
10:17I'm Saul Griffiths from Squid Labs.
10:19We have the capacity to make almost anything.
10:21Over the summer of 2004,
10:23myself and three colleagues from MIT
10:25moved to San Francisco to start Squid Labs.
10:28All right, great.
10:30Squid Labs really was a bucket of ideas
10:33that paid enough of a salary for us to figure out
10:35what we were doing and then create very focused startups.
10:41I was the most interested in energy and climate technologies.
10:45We could see all of the ecological crises
10:48that we're now experiencing coming.
10:49You know, as the engineer,
10:51well, what do we do to fix this?
10:53We still have an energy crisis
10:55and now we have a climate crisis as well.
10:57And then the 2008 financial crisis hit
11:00and there was sort of differing ideas about how to tackle it
11:04and where the money was going to come from to continue it.
11:07And Saul ended up stepping down right as we had our first child.
11:11So we literally had a newborn and Saul didn't have a job
11:14and he decided that he was going to start a new company.
11:27OtherLab started on Earth Day 2009.
11:32A bunch of young engineers and product developers work here
11:35trying to make new technology.
11:37It's a pretty magical place.
11:40Like, you know, we have enough of the right tools
11:42to build a satellite by Monday if that's what you need.
11:44The way I have described Saul in OtherLab
11:48is to ask people to imagine what it would be like
11:50to visit Willy Wonka and his chocolate factory.
11:53I'm not sure that all of the elves put their tools away this morning.
11:56Or to visit maybe Thomas Edison in his labs.
12:00So in here we have a tool room lathe, which is my spirit tool.
12:04Because there's some mix of sort of fantastical, whimsical fun,
12:08and there's also very serious science and engineering happening.
12:14We've got all sorts of projects here.
12:15Energy storage technologies.
12:17This is the guts of an autonomous drone for inspecting offshore wind turbines.
12:21Some innovations in rooftop solar.
12:24Saul has always worked with his hands.
12:26I think that was where he initially tried to solve climate change.
12:30He's very aware of the clock ticking.
12:35Before we got married, I said to Hal, you know, half as a joke,
12:40you know, if by 2020 the world hasn't made sufficient progress on climate change,
12:46can I become an eco-terrorist?
12:47And she said no.
12:48I said, well, what about if you start trying to, you know,
12:51working behind the scenes in politics,
12:52try to influence the policy and the laws and public opinion?
12:57What's it going to take to get our president really fully on board of this?
13:01In 2019, my friend Alex Lasky and I started rewiring America.
13:05What we need to show that tackling this challenge does not involve sacrifice and pain.
13:11For as long as the country has existed, people have been heating their homes
13:15by burning first wood, then coal, then oil and now gas.
13:20I had been interested in energy flows forever
13:23and I convinced the Department of Energy to fund us to do a study mapping in the greatest detail
13:30all of the energy flows from the supply side to oil platforms, coal mines, gas pads,
13:37all the way to the machines at the end.
13:38So your toasters and your cars and your ovens and your air conditioners.
13:43I think looking at all the data was when he realized how important electrification was.
13:48By Saul's count, 42% of all emissions in the U.S. economy
13:54come down to decisions that are made in everybody's homes.
13:57We have to change the way we heat our homes and heat the water in our homes, et cetera,
14:02by replacing those fossil burning machines with efficient electric machines
14:06that are powered by renewable energy.
14:09We have to get 50% reductions by 2030 to stay on target for a climate target we want.
14:14So we need, it's go time for the stuff that works.
14:17And if we do all of that as fast as we can, we buy ourselves enough time
14:22for the big science funding to come in and create the solutions for steel,
14:26for long distance air travel, for agriculture, because they're not ready yet.
14:31You remember Fight Club?
14:33When Saul and I began work on what would become Rewiring America,
14:38electrification was not to be found in the policy ideas in the United States.
14:44He is Tyler Durden.
14:46And so we had to become a lobby group that could write policy based on science and data.
14:52That is what was required to then take on the gas industry and the oil industry.
14:56And then we just relentlessly fought the science-based argument
15:00for the regulatory and policy reforms required to decarbonize.
15:07It's very concrete.
15:08The next time you buy a stove, it has to be electric,
15:10so you're not burning natural gas anymore.
15:12The next time you buy a water heater or a space heater,
15:15they have to be electric, not natural gas.
15:17The next time you do your roof, you have to put solar.
15:24As the new White House came in, they had an ambitious climate team.
15:28We got a seat at the table in figuring out what the climate policy would look like.
15:34These machines are relatively expensive to buy but cheap to run,
15:38so we had to come up with some new financial ideas
15:41for how the government could help households.
15:44An enormous amount of the work that Rewiring America did ended up in the climate bill.
15:52Things like rebates are at the center of that legislation.
15:56Listen to this, some $370 billion.
15:59This includes tax credits for solar panels, electric vehicles.
16:03It took 18 months.
16:04It did finally get through, and it got through, maybe predictably, by the narrowest of margins.
16:11Vice President Kamala Harris cast the deciding vote.
16:14The bill authorizes the largest spend on climate action in US history.
16:19We won. That ain't.
16:21The fossil fuel lobby is not going to disappear.
16:23And so there's a lot of work still to do in spite of this great victory.
16:29It's a huge political victory. Was it enough? No.
16:31Like on day one when we were asked how much is it going to cost,
16:34we did the math and it was like, you know, two to four trillion,
16:37and we got less than that, half a trillion.
16:40So it's not quite enough, but it's certainly a great start.
16:46I will be toast to rewiring. Here's all of you.
16:59In late 2020, we decamped from San Francisco
17:03and moved to the northern suburbs of Wollongong.
17:08Pretty much as soon as we had moved here,
17:10Saul jumped into trying to translate rewiring America
17:14into something like rewiring Australia.
17:19Saul's been consumed with this topic
17:21pretty much the entire time I've known him, but certainly...
17:24I'm sorry, love.
17:25I mean, it's the latest show of our times, really.
17:29It's been really exciting to be here
17:31and feel like there's an appetite for change.
17:37Saul had the vision for a fully electrified suburb.
17:40We all just said, great, let's make it here.
17:43Wow!
17:44You come on the bike!
17:45Our group's called Electrifier 2515.
17:48That's the postcode of the community where we all live.
17:51We started by looking for about 500 people
17:54who would be up for converting all their homes' appliances
17:57to electric alternatives and powering them
17:59using solar and batteries on their house.
18:02We put a website together pretty quickly.
18:04The race is on to create Australia's first electric suburb.
18:09Soon, households in the 2515 could have the opportunity
18:13to join a generously subsidised program.
18:19Our house doesn't have a gas connection,
18:21so we started electric and we've gotten more electric.
18:25We've got a beautiful sunny roof,
18:27so we've got 10 kilowatts of solar installed.
18:31We've switched into positive territory
18:33with the amount of energy we use, so you were paying nothing.
18:36The only few things we don't have are,
18:38we don't have an electric vehicle and we don't have a battery.
18:41The cost on them is coming down.
18:46All right.
18:47Yeah, this is an induction cooktop.
18:49Thought I was going to miss gas cooking.
18:51I don't.
18:52It's really fast.
18:53It literally boils a pot of water faster than a gas stovetop.
18:59We won't have a lot of renters attending
19:00because we've only got 4% renters responding to the survey.
19:03The wonderful thing about the volunteers of 2515
19:06is they've been able to sort of guide and run this local experiment.
19:09OK, so we're moving on to events organisation and updates,
19:13so Ali's going to give us an update on the venue.
19:15It's at the Theroux Community Centre.
19:17Our group gets together every two weeks or so usually.
19:20Plenty of room is standing so people have got kids,
19:22all that sort of stuff.
19:23Yeah, I don't know either.
19:24We went into this having absolutely no idea
19:26if we were going to get ten people willing to kind of take part
19:29and we got 500 people within four days
19:32and so we're planning a community forum
19:35to help kind of raise awareness of the real concepts behind it.
19:38Trent and I are currently working on some graphics at the moment
19:41based around the six appliances
19:43and then the cost comparison between, you know,
19:45the electric version and the fossil fuel version.
19:48The real aim of the campaign is to get as many people as we can
19:51to prove out how this can work at, you know,
19:53a power grid level.
19:55But also we want to be able to show the nation that this works.
19:59So with this one is the hot water.
20:01It's just wonderful to see local action.
20:04And I think lasting political action actually starts to happen
20:07when you can make it sort of bottom up happen from the community soul.
20:12Thank you again for coming here.
20:14So, Lara and myself are part of the Electrify 2515 team.
20:19For me personally, I've felt a lot of climate despair.
20:22But when I came across Sol's concepts of widespread electrification,
20:27I didn't just feel a sense of hope.
20:29It's something that also gives the power to individuals
20:32and to communities to create change.
20:35All right, without further ado, our fellow 2515er
20:38and the Spark Ignited program.
20:44You know, every time Sol gets in front of the room,
20:47you can feel everyone have a lot of fresh energy for,
20:50oh, this is, this is a good idea, isn't it?
20:52I've been talking about climate energy and electrification
20:55for about 20 years all over the world to all sorts of audiences
20:58and this is the most intimidating one by far.
21:01Because you're my neighbours and if we screw up,
21:04you know, you literally know where I live.
21:06All right.
21:08I was so excited when he moved back to Australia.
21:10Um, it's a fantastic bit of intellectual property
21:12to reclaim for the country, I reckon.
21:14That would be, yeah, really interesting.
21:16Again, that's the type of follow-up they're listening here.
21:18So I'm a local Wollongong city councillor.
21:20I'm 100% open to this because this is a community-led initiative.
21:24Why wouldn't you support a community
21:25that wants to go out on their own and do this?
21:29The upfront cost of doing all of these things at once is high
21:33and it's definitely out of the reach of most Australian households.
21:37Um, and that's why we need to get a subsidy for this campaign
21:40to bring a lot of that forward.
21:51In 2023 when we did the first Australian story,
21:54uh, rewiring America was riding high.
21:56We were going to lead a $2 billion home electrification project.
22:02I got to talk to the Senate, the White House and people on the street
22:05to get the word out.
22:06Because I can run on electricity, get the fossil fuels out of your house
22:09and cut your bills all at the same time.
22:11And we were on the verge of and already partnering with a lot of really wonderful organisations
22:17to get tools, information and special offers out to households across the US.
22:24The money had already been appropriated by Congress,
22:27already pushed through into the bank account to go and do the projects.
22:30But then Donald Trump won the 2024 federal elections here.
22:36The Trump administration is rolling back long-standing federal regulations
22:41on greenhouse gas emissions.
22:43The election was hugely impactful on Saul's work.
22:47There's been just a tectonic shift in the willingness to work on climate projects.
22:53We knew upon the election of Donald Trump that there would be an embrace of the fossil fuel industry.
22:59We will drill, baby, drill.
23:02But also, the administration has taken a pretty aggressive cut at all scientific research.
23:12We're shrinking our footprint in San Francisco substantially.
23:15It's slim pickings for science and R&D these days in the US.
23:21We're going to rent a smaller space in San Francisco and this building,
23:25which my wife and I are lucky enough to own.
23:27We're renting out to an AI company because that's the hot thing, obviously.
23:33Rewiring lost its giant contract with the EPA.
23:37One is entitled to ask how these organisations are qualified to receive
23:45$2 billion of taxpayer money from the Biden administration.
23:50You know, we woke up one day to find that our bank account had been frozen by the administration.
23:55And so we are fighting those in the courts. We are fighting that fight.
23:58Do you know what I am?
24:00In spite of the political headwinds, things are rewiring America remain quite bullish.
24:05We have the facts and the numbers on our side and eventually we'll win.
24:10I am inspired by hearing about all of the progress that is happening elsewhere.
24:19When we first started out in 2023, we really were trying to create a fully future community
24:26that meant that we wanted it fully funded for households to participate.
24:32So all their home to be electrified, looking at things like electric vehicles, home and community batteries, our solar arrays.
24:41There was a lot of convincing to do for the government to say like,
24:45we're a community group, but we're not kidding.
24:47We think there needs to be a pilot project that actually demonstrates what this future looks like.
24:54Showing how much it saves to replace each appliance with electric alternatives
24:59and what the practical action is that's going to get us closer to zero emissions.
25:05Australia's Renewable Energy Agency, ARENA, agreed to fund us.
25:10What we came out with, it didn't have all the elements that we would have liked.
25:17They funded 500 homes in our local area to replace the three main gas users in their home.
25:23So that's their gas hot water system, their gas heaters and their gas cooktop.
25:26The hot water was the thing that we were most reluctant to leave behind.
25:32Well, you've got a nice big system there, so I reckon you're going to be fine.
25:35I'm sure it's going to be fine.
25:36The thing that I've loved about the work that we do is so many individuals and community groups reach out
25:42and say,
25:42how do we start something like this happening?
25:46So for most people taking part, the subsidy that they can get is up to $1,000 off the cost
25:52of a new appliance.
25:52And then it's about $2,000 a year that people are saving by getting rid of gas and powering it
25:59cheaply and efficiently.
26:00There's some other participants in your street too, aren't there?
26:03I believe so. Like I have a friend across the road, he's thinking he's getting kind of like a load
26:07of stuff.
26:08And then once it reaches a certain threshold, then suddenly everybody wants to be on board.
26:14Things have moved a lot faster in the last two months. We started with 10 homes. Since then, we're up
26:19to 140 on our way to getting 500 homes upgraded as part of the project.
26:24One of the best outcomes of the 2515 project has been that it felt like we've changed the national conversation
26:30to showing that households matter.
26:33There's over 100 groups across Australia now doing similar sorts of work.
26:41Oh, cool. Those are tiny.
26:44Yeah.
26:45Sweet.
26:46We really wanted to work out how can we better support householders so they can make informed decisions,
26:53so sources of information that's backed by data, that's backed by research.
26:57So Saul, meet Electric Saul.
26:59We thought it might be fun to use AI to create an Ask Saul service that's going to give everyone
27:06the ability to ask Saul,
27:09or at least a robot version of him, how they can get these upgrades for their own home.
27:14But it's all your work put into a tool that can help people work out the next thing they need
27:18to electrify, so let's check it out.
27:20People literally come up to us on the dog beach and say,
27:22Hey, what water heater should I get? What, you know, which battery do you use?
27:27People want to talk about these things.
27:30Hi, I'm virtually Saul, or would you rather call me Sim Saul or Saul Mate?
27:35Whatever you call me, know that I have all the knowledge and experience of Saul Griffith,
27:41except I can be in 1,000 places at once.
27:44I think, honestly, I'm just worried about what my children and their friends are going to think of me,
27:48and they're going to absolutely tear shreds off me for having, you know, AI Saul.
27:54I like it when I have to talk and start typing.
27:56That's good.
27:57Hey Saul, do you reckon I should get a resistance hot water heater,
28:01or do you think I should go heat pump?
28:04Even with excess solar, heat pump water is more efficient. I like this guy already.
28:07It's about understanding how to find the right installer for what they need,
28:13how to navigate the complexity of government rebates.
28:16So it's all those support mechanisms.
28:17Oh, I'm going to ask it a meta question.
28:21Hey mate, do you think Australia is adopting electric appliances and vehicles fast enough
28:26to limit warming in the world to two degrees?
28:29Saul thinks the road ahead is not going to be an easy one.
28:32No, Australia's current rate of adoption for electric appliances and vehicles
28:35is likely not fast enough to limit global warming to two degrees.
28:38That's the tragedy, that's why we're doing what we do.
28:40But, you know, we have kids, we have, you know, a future that we care very much about,
28:44and I don't think he's planning on giving up.
28:49Three, two, one, fly!
28:51Let go!
28:52I can find many reasons for hope.
28:55There are a lot of large trends, sometimes economists call them megatrends,
29:00that are just irreversible.
29:02Electrification is one of those things.
29:04Australia has done some good things.
29:06You got it.
29:06But it requires a steady drumbeat from all of the little community groups
29:11and all of the civil society organisations.
29:13Like, we know this is a better future.
29:15Can we go over here?
29:17And looking like they have enough numbers behind them
29:19that the politicians feel comfortable having more ambition.
29:24Water is so full.
29:25I know.
29:26It's perfect.
29:27We should come down here more often.
29:29We're still proving as a species to be our own worst enemy.
29:32We need this beautiful natural world around us.
29:34It's our cocoon.
29:35We fly through space on this magical marble,
29:38and it's the biology around us that keeps us alive,
29:41and we're not doing the right thing by that biology.
29:43It's just crazy.
29:47He looks approachable.
29:49He's wearing my favourite T-shirt.
29:51Hi.
29:51I'm virtually Saul.
29:53Would you rather call me Sim Saul or Saul Mate?
29:56Whatever you call me,
29:58know that I have all the knowledge and experience of Saul Griffin.
30:01It's kind of like they gave Hugh Jacklin's voice with sort of my face.
30:07Once.
30:08I mean, it's not the worst.
30:10Oh!
30:13Oh, man.
30:14The kids are going to die laughing.
30:16Oh, they are going to die laughing.
30:17They are going to die laughing.
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