Dopo una lunga malattia è morto a febbraio Raffaele Cutolo. Il re della nuova camorra organizzata ha finito i suoi giorni senza più poteri recluso in un carcere di massima sicurezza in regime di 41 bis e muore con lui una pagina storica della criminalità napoletana. Il suo è stato l'ultimo tentativo di ingabbiare la scellerata e disordinata organizzazione camorristica in un ordine quasi militare tipico della criminalità mafiosa. Roberta Petrelluzzi ripropone il processo più significativo di tutta la sua vicenda penale, quello per l'uccisione di Vincenzo Casillo, amico e braccio destro del boss fuori dal carcere. Un affresco che descrive in maniera mirabile la criminalità organizzata che ha sconvolto il Paese dalla metà degli anni settanta alla fine degli anni ottanta, un processo che secondo alcuni è stato il primo tentativo riuscito di insabbiare i patti perversi tra stato e criminalità organizzata.
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00:00:00He had founded the new organized Camorra and had been sentenced to 14 life sentences.
00:00:06Raffaele Cutolo died in Parma prison.
00:00:09She has always been a person who helped everyone, everyone, not only Ottaviano's but for the whole
00:00:14the countryside.
00:00:14Anyone in need who turns to Raffaele Cutolo is the only one who will make himself available and help everyone
00:00:20how many to the people.
00:00:22He's like our patron saint.
00:00:23Because if I wanted to fall ill, that blood would come to me, let him give it to me because he is a
00:00:29noble blood and worthy of being loved.
00:00:32He is a man of high standing in the good world, he loves to be loved by the people.
00:00:36And the people respect him not because, as journalists write, as magistrates say, the people love him.
00:00:42because he is a man who makes himself loved.
00:00:45Raffaele Cutolo is a bully, with bullies, with those who do harm.
00:00:50Let them bring him out and see the order that Raffaele Cutolo is capable of establishing in this dying land.
00:00:57of hunger.
00:00:58We were born with him and we will die with him.
00:01:07We were born with him.
00:01:57We were born with him.
00:02:11In his life Raffaele Cutolo has always cared a lot about form, he has a meticulous care of his person, of his
00:02:18elegance.
00:02:20The graying hair always in order, the clothes always fashionable.
00:02:26He was born in Ottaviano to a poor peasant family.
00:02:29The father is a digger.
00:02:31At 20 years old he kills a peer of Octavian over a trivial argument.
00:02:36He is sentenced to 28 years.
00:02:39In prison he becomes a professor.
00:02:42And it is in prison that his unstoppable rise begins.
00:02:46Before Cutolo, the Neapolitan underworld was made up of disorganized thugs
00:02:51who couldn't even control cigarette smuggling
00:02:54from the frequent incursions of the Sicilians and Calabrians.
00:02:57Cutolo organizes them into the new organized Camorra.
00:03:01His power within the prisons is total.
00:03:05Outside, Rosetta, her sister, and Vincenzo Casillo
00:03:08they hold the reins of the organization at his command.
00:03:11But in 1982, after the scandal of the kidnapping of the Christian Democrat MP Ciro Cirillo,
00:03:17he is transferred to the maximum security prison in Asinara.
00:03:21From this moment his descent begins.
00:03:25Good evening. Raffaele Cutolo died in prison.
00:03:29and one day in court he decided to start the new series
00:03:32with a document of extraordinary interest.
00:03:35The trial, held in the Court of Assisi in Rome back in 1988
00:03:41against Raffaele Cutolo, his sister Rosetta and Giuseppe Pucca,
00:03:46all accused of killing Vincenzo Casillo and seriously injuring Mario Cuomo,
00:03:52who lost both legs and an arm.
00:03:55Vincenzo Casillo, a saint and Cutolo's alter ego outside prison,
00:03:59blew up, along with Mario Cuomo, also a prominent figure
00:04:03of the new organized Camorra, in an attack that took place in a neighborhood
00:04:08on the outskirts of Rome near the headquarters of the secret services.
00:04:12Mr. President, Members of the Court, at approximately 9.30 a.m. on 29 January 1983,
00:04:22The Golf car with Rome license plate 24907D exploded following the explosion
00:04:30of an explosive device presumably placed inside it.
00:04:37The car is parked in Via di Forte Boccea,
00:04:40two steps from the headquarters of the secret services,
00:04:43and inside there are two fugitive Camorristi,
00:04:46Vincenzo Casillo, who dies instantly,
00:04:49and Mario Cuomo, who loses both legs and an arm.
00:04:57Vincenzo Casillo, or Nero, is 40 years old,
00:05:00He was born in San Giuseppe Vesuviano to a wealthy family,
00:05:03but he decided at a very young age to join the new organized Camorra.
00:05:11He has a brilliant career within the organization
00:05:14until he became Raffaele's right-hand man,
00:05:17his alter ego outside prison.
00:05:20Married with two children, he lived in Rome with Giovanna Matarazzo,
00:05:25called Velvet Peach, a nightclub dancer
00:05:28who witnesses the explosion helplessly
00:05:30and which disappears forever after a few months.
00:05:33So, she is part of the ESA, in the sense that she is Mr. Casillo's widow.
00:05:40What can you tell us about your husband's murder?
00:05:43I did not understand.
00:05:44What can you tell us about your husband's murder?
00:05:46Me nothing.
00:05:48She said that on January 9th I took my two daughters back to boarding school in Lugano,
00:05:53where they attended school.
00:05:55Once she arrived in Lugano, after a while she called Vincenzo, that is her husband,
00:06:00and he told me he wanted to see me and make an appointment.
00:06:04on the Milan ring road.
00:06:09January 9th was a few days before...
00:06:12Yes, 20 days before death.
00:06:1320 days before death.
00:06:16Well, he tried to see me, but he didn't really have anything to say to me,
00:06:20so maybe he needed to say something and couldn't speak, I don't know.
00:06:24But is it true that he told her they want me dead everywhere?
00:06:28Yes, this is true.
00:06:29That's the only concrete thing he told me.
00:06:31Do you remember this detail well?
00:06:57Yes.
00:06:58Immediately after this attack, the only certainty was that many could have been those
00:07:03who wanted Vincenzo Casillo dead.
00:07:06But the investigations for many years did not bear any fruit,
00:07:10until a repentant appears on the scene,
00:07:13which accuses the current defendants of murder.
00:07:17In practice, it would be the same organization that eliminated one of its men.
00:07:21The repentant is Giovanni Pandico.
00:07:25Pandico, Pandico, this ineffable character,
00:07:28I just want to remind the court that this is the second time he's made a trip to Rome.
00:07:32The first time, you may remember it from reading it in the newspapers,
00:07:37he even went to testify in the trial against Aqcia,
00:07:42Ali Aqcià, who was accused of the attack on the Pope.
00:07:46But Pandico, gentlemen, is one of the main people responsible for the Enzo Tortora tragedy.
00:07:53And others, Gennaro Esposito and Vincenzo Esposito,
00:07:57which have not had any resonance with regards to advertising problems.
00:08:02This is the Pandico.
00:08:13May I have a seat, Mr. Pandico, Pandico or Pandico?
00:08:17Pandico.
00:08:18Pandico.
00:08:19In September 1981 we were talking, planning, or better said,
00:08:27Cutolo was afraid of the idea of killing this farmhouse.
00:08:31May the poor little house rest in peace.
00:08:34Excuse me, Pandico, who did you hear from?
00:08:37From Cutolo, from Cutolo personally, this fact was discussed.
00:08:41Cutolo was trying to campaign against the Casillo,
00:08:45making her appear as a traitor, as an opportunist,
00:08:50like someone who only thought about his own business.
00:08:52Already when an adverse, negative campaign begins in an organization,
00:08:58one could almost say that no one is prevented from having this man killed.
00:09:02Always at the organizational level.
00:09:04People start saying, that one steals, that one takes the money,
00:09:08that's not thinking about others.
00:09:10In essence the plan is already starting to take off,
00:09:15to spread this word,
00:09:17that this must die.
00:09:19So there was no organization that started from prison
00:09:22to go and kill Casillo?
00:09:25That is, he was left at the mercy of the members of the organization?
00:09:30No, the request for death from the farmhouse came from the prison.
00:09:37And who is it that sent the order?
00:09:39Cudolo, Cudolo.
00:09:40Cudolo.
00:09:41And how can she say this?
00:09:43No, because...
00:09:44Well, is it your deduction or is it something very specific?
00:09:48That's very precise.
00:09:50We already knew what was underneath and everything.
00:09:53Then an order like that to have a ringleader killed,
00:09:56an interergo outside in the open air,
00:09:59Not just anyone can do it there.
00:10:01Oh, and how did this order get out of prison?
00:10:04But he came out.
00:10:05There are many means that were used in Ascoli Piceno
00:10:07to issue a death order.
00:10:08Or even through a coded telegram,
00:10:12often it was sent to say
00:10:13give the gift, a hug to Tizio from me
00:10:16and it meant the death sentence.
00:10:20But did Cudolo ever tell you that he had given the order?
00:10:25I learned the order that he gave it to the precise person in Pianosa from his son,
00:10:29from Roberto.
00:10:29From the son?
00:10:30From Roberto.
00:10:32Did she ever tell Pandico that it was her father who ordered Casillo's death?
00:10:37No, Mr. President, also because he did not know about Casillo's death.
00:10:42That is, he took Casillo's death through the press,
00:10:45as we all had learned a little about in the Pianosa hunt.
00:10:51I didn't know anything from my father.
00:10:53Much less did I say anything to Pandico.
00:10:56But how did Roberto Cudolo know this fact?
00:10:58Here, that's the son, please, Mr. President.
00:11:01But I mean, was that a deduction being made?
00:11:04No, no, no, certain things are passed on for delivery.
00:11:08Through whom?
00:11:10Through Octavian, Mr. Icarus.
00:11:12Through Cudolo's family.
00:11:13And who are they?
00:11:14But his granddaughter, Carolina, his girlfriend, his cousin, his brothers-in-law.
00:11:23No, look, I'm sorry, don't get impatient, but...
00:11:25No, don't get me impatient.
00:11:26Don't get impatient, but I, no, no, if you tell me Joseppe from Ottaviano,
00:11:29having learned something from a country, procedurally, is relevant.
00:11:33I would like to know who Cudolo, Roberto, always gets these things from.
00:11:37Not from Octavian's country.
00:11:39I was talking about the Camusra headquarters.
00:11:41Site?
00:11:42Camusra's mother seat.
00:11:44Not from Octavian, from the country.
00:11:46That is, from the Medici castle, from the Cudolo family.
00:11:49Since you were so involved in the organization, can you say who the director was?
00:11:53Specifically refers to Rosetta.
00:11:55To Rosetta Cudolo.
00:12:01Rosetta Cudolo, ice-cold eyes, also accused of the murder of Enzo Casillo,
00:12:06She is Raffaele's older sister.
00:12:08It is said of her that she never wanted to get married.
00:12:11to be able to dedicate thoughts, words and deeds to our brother.
00:12:16Born an embroiderer, she became a highly skilled administrator
00:12:19of Don Raffaele's illicit proceeds,
00:12:22whose orders he faithfully and blindly carries out.
00:12:25Any order.
00:12:30He is not present in the courtroom because he has been a fugitive for many years.
00:12:38She said she found out after
00:12:41that Puga had killed him.
00:12:44Puga, Puga.
00:13:02So, her name is Puca Giuseppe, exactly.
00:13:05He was born in Sant'Antimo on June 1, 1955.
00:13:10What do you have to say about the Casillo murder?
00:13:14She knows that she is accused of being the material perpetrator of the Casillo murder.
00:13:20If I were to be the executor, I should be Casillo's executor.
00:13:26While using many brands as a sign to kill Casillo.
00:13:31We used to hang out a lot, so it would have been much easier.
00:13:36to see differently than how it was done.
00:13:40So you're saying that he had other opportunities to kill Casillo if he wanted to?
00:13:45Yes.
00:13:47Okay, so she rejects every azzebio.
00:13:49Yes.
00:13:50Where were you when Casillo was blown up?
00:13:55I don't remember exactly, but I was down near the Cassetta Napoli area.
00:14:01Wasn't he in Rome?
00:14:03Another collaborator of justice denies the accusations
00:14:08confirms the presence of Giuseppe Pucca in Naples on the very day of the attack.
00:14:14The repentant is Mauro Marra, Pasquale Scotti's right-hand man,
00:14:19NCO area leader in Casoria, Cairano and Fragola.
00:14:24No, we had been together since the morning.
00:14:26From the morning.
00:14:26Did she never leave him for that day?
00:14:29No, no, because it was a period that walked alongside us,
00:14:30because there was an open war in his area of Sant'Anno with Giuliano
00:14:36and they were with us because we were organizing reprisals in that area.
00:14:40Anyway, yes, I know absolutely nothing about these murders.
00:14:43Okay, you realize.
00:14:44Thank you.
00:14:49Giuseppe Pucca, or Japan, 34 years old,
00:14:52on probation for serious health reasons,
00:14:55He was mortally wounded on February 7, 1988 in Sant'Antimo
00:14:59from numerous gunshots in front of his brother-in-law's delicatessen.
00:15:03He died five days later in hospital.
00:15:09But beyond Giovanni Pandico, before the investigating judge,
00:15:14other members of the new organized Camorra
00:15:17they accused today's defendants of Casillo's murder.
00:15:20Let's listen.
00:15:23Leonardo Francesco.
00:15:28Francesco Leonardo suffered a stroke in 1987.
00:15:32while he was in prison for criminal association.
00:15:36He now walks with difficulty and has lost the ability to speak.
00:15:40He has already attempted suicide twice.
00:15:43Come in.
00:15:47What's her name?
00:15:54Your name is Leonardo Francesco, is that right?
00:15:58Born in Naples on June 9, 1952.
00:16:02Is that correct?
00:16:05Listen, are you in prison?
00:16:10Inmate.
00:16:11Inmate.
00:16:13Are you being held for Camorra crimes?
00:16:22Yes.
00:16:24Look, you also have the right not to answer the slut's questions.
00:16:41She is unable to answer.
00:16:51I understand.
00:16:54Do you confirm the statements you made to the investigating judge, Dr. Galasso?
00:17:02But I don't remember anymore.
00:17:06She doesn't remember anything anymore.
00:17:08She lost her memory.
00:17:12Then, upon agreement between the parties, the deposition of Leonardo Francesco is read.
00:17:17At the time Enzo Casillo died, I was detained in the Pianosa prison, in the same wing where they were
00:17:23prisoner Roberto Cutolo, son of Raffaele Cutolo and Iafulli Michele.
00:17:27It was Roberto Cutolo and Michele Iafullo who told me that Casillo had been killed by the same organization as Cutolo.
00:17:33The order would have come from Raffaele Cutolo himself, while one of the material executors would have been Giuseppe Pucca, known as Giappone.
00:17:41Read, confirmed and signed.
00:17:44Okay, she can go.
00:17:47Mr. Leonardo.
00:17:48Long neighbors
00:17:54In the street he's a spy
00:17:58Because he can't be wrong
00:18:04This voice is mine
00:18:09Have you ever spoken to Pantico about anything that might have been related to the murder of Vincenzo Casillo?
00:18:20No, if you allow me to go from post to post I would like to specify Pantico, if you know who I am, let's say
00:18:29in the sense through the cards, I could never have spoken to Pantico because first Pantico is a man who
00:18:36He shot his father and mother, he is someone who reported it.
00:18:41One moment, excuse me, I told you, I'll go to the police station to make you accountable if Michele
00:18:45Giafful could have spoken to Pantico or not. I've known Pantico by name for 20 years, before this trial.
00:18:53Pantico has never been good, he denounced Portazzurri's guards, he denounced Scopino.
00:19:00Come on, now I know who Pantico was, let's say in the sense of the character, well, if I could never
00:19:07talking to Pantico, if he was talking to a man, well it could also be that Mr. President says I talked
00:19:12with this man and the purposes.
00:19:13Please, please. So with this premise you mean that you never spoke to anyone in prison.
00:19:21Pantico?
00:19:21I only spoke to Pantico when I insulted him, because I insulted him jokingly in the morning and in the evening
00:19:28Throw the stuff away, because that's like a trash can, that's all. I never said anything, just kidding.
00:19:33So it's out of the question that there could have been a conversation, let's say a meeting?
00:19:39I only go to hunting clubs.
00:19:41Between her and Pantico, Roberto Cutolo and others...
00:19:46Roberto Cutolo is a boy who was in my cell, unfortunately he is his son, how he falls.
00:19:50He's a boy I raised myself, let's say, he unfortunately ended up in prison, Robertino.
00:19:55Let's say, he's a boy who was 18 years old and doesn't know anything about anything perfectly, let's say, in the sense, he's a
00:20:01kid, that's all.
00:20:03You be the judge, that's all.
00:20:05And in this conversation they would have talked about the circumstance according to which Vincenzo Casillo would have been killed on the orders of
00:20:14Raffaele Cutolo.
00:20:15I just want to say one thing, Mr. President, I'm sorry I'm always a little, but unfortunately, I want to tell you one thing,
00:20:21there are mental hospitals that are full of geniuses.
00:20:23Who says it is Napoleon, who says it is Caribald, unfortunately does not think that Raffaele Cutolo, in my opinion, for
00:20:28for God's sake, I'm stuck with Cutolo.
00:20:30One moment, Mr. President, my friendship with Cutolo cost me 20 years, I took two associations, I don't
00:20:35lament.
00:20:35I'm not complaining because friendship is paid dearly, okay, I've been a friend of whom I paid dearly
00:20:40two associations, 20 years of football, very good, I'm done, I've paid justice, I've given thanks.
00:20:45He was a friend, he wasn't a friend, this friendship was misunderstood, we're fine.
00:20:50Let's say, I don't know, you see, I don't know.
00:20:52No, no, that's enough.
00:20:53Are there any questions?
00:20:56Requests?
00:20:57No one can go, thank you.
00:20:58But thank you.
00:21:05Michele Iafulli died on July 29, 1991 at the age of 45, killed in an ambush on a street in Naples.
00:21:16Pasquale D'Amico, or Cartonaro, the Secondigliano area boss, is one of the most well-known informants of the new organized Camorra.
00:21:23D'Amico is truly someone who was part of the strategic direction, he is truly the only authentic santista,
00:21:30would you like to explain to the court and the lay judges for a moment what Santista is, because I believe that saying Santista doesn't mean anything,
00:21:35for us insiders.
00:21:37Oh no, lawyer Trofino, santista means, let's say, a person who was close to Cuto.
00:21:43No, I know that well.
00:21:43Well I know, I know, I know, I know you know it well, he was someone who is close to
00:21:47Cuto, let's say, one of the, or rather, I was one of the first santisti after Cuomo,
00:21:52the one who died, another who was killed, one of the first santisti, the first of Casillo was, had.
00:21:56I was also a santista before Casillo, because then I went hunting and then Casillo became a santista,
00:22:02because he was the one in charge outside.
00:22:04The court's question is clear and precise.
00:22:08He is looking for the death of Enzo Casillo.
00:22:10That is, this happened in January 1983, I am detained in Novara, I am detained in Novara, when
00:22:19Casillo and Cuomo have been toned down.
00:22:21And, let's say, we were all worried, because we thought that someone had killed him, let's say, one of ours, one of our opponents,
00:22:28let's say, of the new family.
00:22:30Then, through, let's say, my wife who came to interview, who had contacts, because my wife also had a mandate
00:22:35of capture, because he had other facts.
00:22:37That he came to talk, had contact with Scotti, found out, let's say, that he had blown up, let's say, in a casual way.
00:22:43According to D'Amico, the rumour of the accident had been circulated, and the reason for this version, he tells us
00:22:51once again Mauro Marra.
00:22:53A few words, as I am not a God accustomed to speaking so much.
00:22:58Let's be clear, if we said that he was the great opponent, that is, rightly, he was a smac for us, they screwed us.
00:23:05a better piece that we had among us.
00:23:09If we said it was us, it's not even a good thing, because, I mean, if we had to kill, as we had
00:23:14killed other people, let's say, among us.
00:23:16We just made it disappear, so as not to make anyone understand anything, because then, I mean, one never really believes in the
00:23:20truth, because only those who killed can know the truth, why they killed him.
00:23:25And then they tried to find a better solution, and they said that, that it could even be true that this
00:23:31What.
00:23:32That Enzo had brought some bombs with timers from Milan, because he went to Milan in those days,
00:23:41he is here.
00:23:42And maybe a bomb like this one he had in his car would have exploded and blown up.
00:23:49But was this a version of Comodo that was spread within the Camorra or was it the truth?
00:23:54No, this is one, I mean, I can't even say it myself, I'm saying, because to me too, Pasquale said, he says,
00:23:59maybe it was the bombs he was carrying, maybe it was, Scozzo told me, the bombs Enzo was carrying here.
00:24:05However, this version was spread within the prisons to all those who were close to us.
00:24:11I was in the Pianoso prison, a certain Nello Bruno said to me, but how are things going?
00:24:17That Casillire was killed, the word was spread, then no, but he was carrying TNT, the fall
00:24:23cigarette, it blew up, all that stuff.
00:24:25The mass of the organization was made to believe it.
00:24:30And who said that it was an accident?
00:24:33And we said it, that is, we made the Camorra masses believe that it was just an accident,
00:24:39so as not to cause concern by the fact that he says, these things are happening between us, that there is
00:24:45under?
00:24:46So as not to be discovered by too many details.
00:24:49According to Pandico, the order to kill Casillo came from Raffaele Cutolo,
00:24:55while his sister Rosetta would have taken care of the organization outside the prison.
00:25:03Ciro Starace is one of the historic informers of the new organized Camorra.
00:25:08In revenge, in 1995 they killed his sister's husband.
00:25:14Your name is Ciro Starace, is that right?
00:25:16She was born in Naples on March 8, 1959.
00:25:20Come in.
00:25:22She has been detained since '77.
00:25:25Yes.
00:25:26She said about the death of Enzo Casillo,
00:25:28I would like to point out that during the period in which I was in contact with Rosetta Cutolo,
00:25:32but in prison or out of the load.
00:25:35She told me that Casillo had been killed by Raffaele Cutolo
00:25:40and that the perpetrators were Pucca and some of his gang.
00:25:46Do you remember Rosetta Cutolo telling you this?
00:25:50Yes.
00:25:52Would you please ask where this conversation took place?
00:25:55A house near Baronissi in the Estranità area in 1983,
00:26:00after my passion from the prison of Avellino.
00:26:03Who was there?
00:26:04Ah, so who was there?
00:26:05Does it remind us?
00:26:06Yes.
00:26:07There was...
00:26:09Della Mure Ceraldo,
00:26:10then and still today,
00:26:12zone leader of the Estranità area,
00:26:16Perna Clemente,
00:26:18head of the Alcolano area,
00:26:22Pasquale Perna,
00:26:23Clemente's cousin
00:26:27and two or three other people.
00:26:29Rosetta Cutolo,
00:26:30he gave a briefing to this whole series of people
00:26:33or was there a private conversation between him and Rosetta Cutolo?
00:26:36This is an interesting detail.
00:26:38That is, the interview took place...
00:26:39That is, the interview took place...
00:26:40That is, she is from Mure Perna.
00:26:43I know Starace because we are...
00:26:46We escaped from Avellino prison together.
00:26:50I have not been neither...
00:26:52I don't know the brothers...
00:26:54As he said...
00:26:56From Mure to Gerardi,
00:26:58the Perna brothers are you and your brother.
00:27:01Yes, my cousin.
00:27:03Or his cousin.
00:27:04Cousin.
00:27:04So, Starace Ciro declared
00:27:06some details about
00:27:08the murder of the casillo itself.
00:27:12What can you say about this?
00:27:15Absolutely nothing.
00:27:16I could absolutely say
00:27:17who will be a liar
00:27:18by Starace.
00:27:20Starace clarified
00:27:22that the interview took place
00:27:25at a certain man's house
00:27:26Fort Antonio.
00:27:28Do you know Forte Antonio?
00:27:30Never known.
00:27:31Do you know Forte Antonio?
00:27:33No, I don't know him.
00:27:34Do you remember this meeting?
00:27:36No, never.
00:27:38He rules out that there was
00:27:39a meeting of this kind?
00:27:40I...
00:27:41I have never participated in it
00:27:43at a meeting,
00:27:44so much so that I don't know
00:27:45not even the house of this Fort,
00:27:46I don't even know him.
00:27:48I don't know him.
00:27:49Do you know Forte Antonio?
00:27:52She can't give us any indication.
00:27:55to find Fort Antonio?
00:27:57Where does he live, for example?
00:27:58No, I knew him
00:27:59in prison in November
00:28:01of 83.
00:28:03November, December 1983.
00:28:04She doesn't know where the house is
00:28:05of Fort Antonio?
00:28:06No.
00:28:08Never been part of
00:28:09of a criminal association
00:28:11called New Organized Camorra?
00:28:13I have never been part of
00:28:15of this association,
00:28:16but I was convicted.
00:28:17Have you ever been part of
00:28:18of criminal associations
00:28:20and Camorristi?
00:28:21Never.
00:28:22Have you ever been part of
00:28:23of criminal associations?
00:28:25Never.
00:28:25Do you know Cutolo Rosa?
00:28:27No.
00:28:28Do you know Raffaele Cutolo?
00:28:29No.
00:28:29Thank you.
00:28:31Why, Mr. President,
00:28:32to tell the truth,
00:28:34these people
00:28:35not only did they deny
00:28:37theirs,
00:28:38not only did they deny
00:28:39the specific circumstance,
00:28:41but they denied
00:28:42any form
00:28:43of involvement
00:28:45in the new Camorra
00:28:47organized.
00:28:49Which, evidently,
00:28:52being in conflict
00:28:55proven
00:28:56from the sentences of conviction
00:28:57that have hit
00:28:58these people in order
00:29:00to their adherence
00:29:02to this organization,
00:29:03which, I was saying,
00:29:04in my opinion,
00:29:06deprived
00:29:07of any weight
00:29:10the statements
00:29:11from the same returns
00:29:12on the point
00:29:13in contrast
00:29:14with this race.
00:29:16The Cutolo Rosetta
00:29:18he also talked about the moment.
00:29:20There was someone
00:29:21who asks why.
00:29:22And she told us
00:29:22no, no, no,
00:29:23we went on strike,
00:29:24In short,
00:29:24that all the money
00:29:25they passed through Casillo,
00:29:26In short,
00:29:26Casillo,
00:29:26instead of giving them
00:29:27to individuals who are people
00:29:28to have them sent
00:29:29in football,
00:29:29In short,
00:29:30he took everything
00:29:30and sent them abroad.
00:29:31There were complaints
00:29:33on behavior
00:29:34of Casillo?
00:29:36Hand,
00:29:37no complaints,
00:29:38let's say,
00:29:38there were,
00:29:39let's say,
00:29:39something
00:29:40about it
00:29:41that someone said
00:29:42that was taken
00:29:43something worthwhile,
00:29:44but no complaints
00:29:45about it
00:29:46to be able to kill them.
00:29:48Me, right from Casillo
00:29:49I received minds in mind
00:29:50every month I had 10 million,
00:29:52to which then
00:29:52he gave him other friends of mine.
00:29:55That is, Casillo to me
00:29:55he sent them to me,
00:29:56then there was someone else,
00:29:57let's say,
00:29:57some small-time Camorrista,
00:29:58some kids
00:29:59who was complaining,
00:30:00but not Camorristi,
00:30:01let's say,
00:30:02high-ranking.
00:30:03Look,
00:30:04Mr. Cutolo,
00:30:04it's not that I
00:30:05I would be there to take
00:30:05the ass parts
00:30:06why I did it
00:30:07take from home too.
00:30:08This is the necessary thing.
00:30:10It's not that I would be
00:30:11to take the ass part.
00:30:12Even two
00:30:12they are fresh in the month,
00:30:14President.
00:30:14And so I'm saying,
00:30:15it's not that I'm taking
00:30:15the ass parts
00:30:16because it's less fresh ass to me.
00:30:17I'm saying,
00:30:18the pure sacredness.
00:30:19She is not aware
00:30:20of complaints
00:30:21by inmates
00:30:22for lack of assistance?
00:30:25No, no, no.
00:30:25on these things we,
00:30:27I'm talking about myself personally,
00:30:28I am married
00:30:29and there was a little girl,
00:30:31I have never
00:30:32took a lira
00:30:33from extortion
00:30:34and of other kinds.
00:30:35I to earn
00:30:36almost of money
00:30:37with the murders I committed,
00:30:38with extortion,
00:30:39me on Monday and Monday
00:30:40I was going to commit two robberies
00:30:41at the bank this week
00:30:42because the money
00:30:43what do you take from me?
00:30:44and then takes away a part
00:30:44also for the organization
00:30:47precisely so as not to miss out
00:30:48nothing hunted
00:30:49and then he comes
00:30:49punctually
00:30:50the money
00:30:52Always.
00:30:53sorry, I didn't understand,
00:30:55she committed two robberies
00:30:56per week
00:30:56then the money
00:30:57did he take them to the farmhouse?
00:30:58No, all the money
00:31:00that we collected
00:31:03with Camorra activity,
00:31:04extortion,
00:31:06the construction trade
00:31:07because to us
00:31:08we hadn't put
00:31:09the robberies
00:31:10and heroin dealing
00:31:11we didn't do this.
00:31:13So I
00:31:13my business
00:31:15I was doing it
00:31:15let's say
00:31:16together with the scotch
00:31:17but I
00:31:18Saturday
00:31:19we went home
00:31:21I accompanied the Scotchman
00:31:22in a house where
00:31:23where his girlfriend was
00:31:25and his family
00:31:25and he went to my house
00:31:26and the scotch
00:31:27he went to get her
00:31:28Monday afternoon
00:31:28and in the morning
00:31:29he organized with 3-4 guys
00:31:30bank robberies
00:31:33but the scotch
00:31:34he was against the same
00:31:35he said
00:31:35if they arrest you
00:31:36I don't think about you
00:31:37you don't put yourself
00:31:38except the lawyer
00:31:38why these things
00:31:39you don't have to do it
00:31:39these robberies were improper
00:31:41improper
00:31:41but I took away
00:31:42the same
00:31:43the quota for
00:31:44the organization
00:31:45from that robbery
00:31:46up to this point
00:31:48nothing is clear
00:31:49on the murder of Casillo
00:31:50and the wounding
00:31:51by Mario Cuomo
00:31:52when Claudio Sicilia
00:31:55him too
00:31:55exponent
00:31:56of the NCO
00:31:57tells
00:31:59that the affiliate
00:32:00Corrado Iacolare
00:32:01he had confided in him
00:32:03that Casillo
00:32:04he had been killed
00:32:05because he wanted
00:32:06pass
00:32:06to the rival clan
00:32:08emerging
00:32:09the new family
00:32:10then what do we have
00:32:12this morning
00:32:12Sicily
00:32:13so let's come to Sicily
00:32:16Claudio Sicilia
00:32:17he escaped
00:32:18to two attacks
00:32:18the first in Naples
00:32:20in July 79
00:32:21when he was part
00:32:22of the Cutolo clan
00:32:23the second
00:32:24in '86
00:32:25in Rome
00:32:26when he had become
00:32:27a prominent figure
00:32:28of the band
00:32:28of the Magliana
00:32:29he chose
00:32:30to collaborate
00:32:31with justice
00:32:32but many
00:32:33of his revelations
00:32:34once verified
00:32:35were considered
00:32:36unfounded
00:32:37and then
00:32:37is considered
00:32:38a repentant
00:32:39unreliable
00:32:40because of this
00:32:41he tried
00:32:41suicide
00:32:42already twice
00:32:50Mr. President
00:32:51before doing
00:32:51of the statements
00:32:52before confirming
00:32:53these depositions
00:32:54what I did
00:32:54I just wanted to ask
00:32:55one thing
00:32:56to your lordship
00:32:58I don't want to pass by
00:32:59inside the courthouse
00:32:59making a deposition
00:33:00and passing by
00:33:01for a joke
00:33:01in the sense
00:33:02reliable or unreliable
00:33:03I wish they were done
00:33:04of the findings
00:33:04on what I say
00:33:05you are justice
00:33:06you can arrange
00:33:08excuse me
00:33:09if I'm a little
00:33:09intrusive
00:33:10on these things
00:33:10therefore
00:33:11I gave myself
00:33:11fire
00:33:12one year ago
00:33:12for anger
00:33:13that I'm going through
00:33:13this whole situation
00:33:14legal
00:33:14that I'm going through
00:33:16she exposes
00:33:17at the court
00:33:18what is going on
00:33:18then if there is a need
00:33:20to do
00:33:20of objective findings
00:33:22what are we going to do
00:33:22Mr. President
00:33:23Corrado Iacolaro
00:33:24on the matter concerning
00:33:25the murder of Enzo Casilo
00:33:26he knew with a sure voice
00:33:27that Enzo Casilo
00:33:28he had had some meetings
00:33:29with members
00:33:30of the Nuoletta family
00:33:31that was turning
00:33:32towards Nuoletto
00:33:33she knew this
00:33:35by Corrado Iacolaro
00:33:36Iacolaro
00:33:37he was convinced
00:33:38that the Casilo
00:33:39was about to pass
00:33:40the Nuolettas
00:33:41the NCO
00:33:41he was having all the losses
00:33:42had become
00:33:43had become
00:33:44less powerful
00:33:44of what once was
00:33:45they have taken it now
00:33:46the upper hand
00:33:46Giovanna Pr. Iacolaro
00:33:47Mr. President
00:33:48that is, the new family
00:33:49and given that it was jousted
00:33:50from Nuoletti
00:33:51the new family
00:33:52by Michele Zazza
00:33:53Enzo Casilo
00:33:54he passed with the Nuoletti
00:33:55and Cuomo
00:33:58but anyway
00:33:59but having to kill Casilo
00:34:01he was blown up
00:34:02even Cuomo
00:34:02towards
00:34:04of which
00:34:05no one had moved
00:34:06no criticism
00:34:07and since we know
00:34:09that at that moment
00:34:10at liberty
00:34:11there was only
00:34:11Rosetta Cutro
00:34:12and Casilo
00:34:14after which
00:34:14Cuomo and Puca
00:34:15well anyway
00:34:16it was a summit
00:34:17that yes
00:34:19halved
00:34:19for self-harm
00:34:20it turns out to him
00:34:22that in that period
00:34:24that in the organization
00:34:25they existed
00:34:26of worries
00:34:27or fears
00:34:29that this passage
00:34:30happened
00:34:32lawyer Trofino
00:34:33this doesn't exist
00:34:34precisely because
00:34:35pure Cutro
00:34:35he told me
00:34:36but I knew it
00:34:37that was nothing
00:34:38I mean, I knew it
00:34:39why Mario Cuomo
00:34:40he was alive
00:34:40and if Mario Cuomo
00:34:42let's say
00:34:42had had
00:34:43let's say an attack
00:34:43same as us
00:34:44Mario Cuomo
00:34:45he was one of the first
00:34:46to which he could
00:34:47do something
00:34:48even if not having
00:34:50the legs
00:34:50he could have done something
00:34:52I don't believe it
00:34:52what he told me
00:34:53a lie
00:34:53at that time
00:34:54All right
00:34:54he excludes
00:34:55that in that period
00:34:57Casilo
00:34:57wanted to pass
00:34:58with Zazza
00:34:58but if he had gone there
00:34:59to make an attempt
00:35:00Brother
00:35:00as it passed
00:35:01with Zazza
00:35:01it has something to do with it
00:35:03Rosetta Cutolo
00:35:04with let's say
00:35:06the order
00:35:07to eliminate Casilo
00:35:09Mr. President
00:35:10all things
00:35:11what he was going to tell me
00:35:12with Raffaele Cutolo
00:35:13for the sister
00:35:14it was as if he was telling her
00:35:15Raffaele Cutolo
00:35:16because the sister
00:35:17he was acting as a substitute
00:35:23of the brother
00:35:25Mr. President
00:35:26All right
00:35:26Claudio Sicilia
00:35:28which as we have heard
00:35:29he is obsessed
00:35:31from the idea
00:35:31to be considered
00:35:33unreliable
00:35:34to accredit
00:35:35his testimony
00:35:36asks that he come
00:35:37verified
00:35:38a fact
00:35:39to his knowledge
00:35:40and that is
00:35:40that the companion
00:35:42from Casilo
00:35:42was brought
00:35:43from Pucca
00:35:44him too
00:35:45defendant in this trial
00:35:46from Rome to Naples
00:35:47and there
00:35:48entrusted to the group
00:35:49by Pasquale Scotti
00:35:51Joseph Pucca
00:35:52he took the girl
00:35:53by Enzo Casilo
00:35:54and brought it
00:35:55in Naples
00:35:56and left her
00:35:57in the hands
00:35:58by Pasquale Scotti
00:36:00and only
00:36:01that with a little time
00:36:02they were going there
00:36:03in the sense
00:36:03this one wanted to go away
00:36:04and they have it
00:36:05removed from the middle
00:36:06for fear that he would speak
00:36:07because he used it
00:36:08of cocaine
00:36:09but it was her
00:36:10that kills you
00:36:11the nursery school
00:36:11the Casilo
00:36:12it seems to me that
00:36:13with this mattress
00:36:14he was granted permission
00:36:15everyone
00:36:15he told him
00:36:16all things
00:36:16to make the organization
00:36:19it was him
00:36:20that they couldn't run
00:36:21Why
00:36:22if they arrested him
00:36:23they could put
00:36:24in danger
00:36:24the organization
00:36:25and we
00:36:25this fact
00:36:26we couldn't do it
00:36:27risk
00:36:28who is it that told them?
00:36:30the order
00:36:30if there was order
00:36:32to kill
00:36:33the mattress
00:36:34or that person
00:36:35which was indicated to her
00:36:36like the matrazza
00:36:40I order it
00:36:41the order
00:36:41own
00:36:41I avoided it
00:36:42from Scott
00:36:43when I went
00:36:45there
00:36:45to take
00:36:46to pick it up
00:36:47they make me
00:36:48the embassy
00:36:49and he said
00:36:50you
00:36:51you're worth talking about
00:36:52you have to go
00:36:53in Milan
00:36:54At home
00:36:55of a builder
00:36:57it will stay there
00:36:583-4 months
00:36:59pending
00:36:59that they are called
00:37:00the waters
00:37:00they end
00:37:01the research
00:37:02and after
00:37:04they will have provided them
00:37:06passports
00:37:06documents
00:37:07money
00:37:08that she
00:37:08will express
00:37:09and it will be done
00:37:09a new life
00:37:10Excuse me
00:37:10let the waters calm down
00:37:11with reference
00:37:12what for?
00:37:13because she
00:37:13the sought-after era
00:37:14No
00:37:16the research
00:37:17the police
00:37:18the carabinieri
00:37:18why what
00:37:19he knows
00:37:19and that I don't know
00:37:20maybe I wanted it
00:37:21to question
00:37:21what to know
00:37:22that they were
00:37:22along with the casino
00:37:23let's move on
00:37:25I owe it to you
00:37:25kill
00:37:26before
00:37:26we were overcoming
00:37:27the toll booth
00:37:27because if not
00:37:28if she saw
00:37:29that the toll booth
00:37:29it had already been
00:37:30surpassed
00:37:31he said
00:37:31but here
00:37:32where are we going
00:37:33and they
00:37:33you have to kill
00:37:34him who we passed by
00:37:35the toll booth
00:37:36then after
00:37:36we carried it
00:37:37in the countryside
00:37:37we buried her
00:37:39they were sent
00:37:40a lot of this marra
00:37:41because he said
00:37:42a boy
00:37:42very good
00:37:43which was active
00:37:43that is, that it was
00:37:44in progress
00:37:45which was very
00:37:46a lot on the field
00:37:47this boy
00:37:48Excuse me
00:37:48if you can specify
00:37:50at the court
00:37:50what does it mean
00:37:51in progress
00:37:52is that it was
00:37:53to go and commit crimes
00:37:54that is, it was one
00:37:54that was leaving
00:37:55to commit crimes
00:37:55that is, it went easily
00:37:56go and commit crimes
00:37:57that is, in the sense
00:37:57what to do about the crimes
00:37:58it meant going shooting
00:37:59yes that's fine
00:38:01Claudio Sicilia
00:38:02dies on November 18
00:38:03of 91 in Rome
00:38:04is riddled with bullets
00:38:06of shots
00:38:06by two hitmen
00:38:07between the shelves
00:38:08in the back of the shop
00:38:09of a shop
00:38:10of footwear
00:38:14how did he kill her?
00:38:15Excuse me
00:38:17the gun
00:38:18yes like
00:38:18he wants to explain to me
00:38:20how did things go
00:38:21you excuse me
00:38:22I think this
00:38:23have no
00:38:25relevance
00:38:26not to do
00:38:26of the oppositions
00:38:27for goodness sake
00:38:28no no it's okay
00:38:29may not respond
00:38:32she then pointed out
00:38:34the place
00:38:35where she had been
00:38:35the matarazzo was buried
00:38:37I don't intend to answer
00:38:39at this point
00:38:39All right
00:38:42the body
00:38:43of velvety peach
00:38:44was found
00:38:45under an overpass
00:38:46in the countryside
00:38:47of Cairano
00:38:48near Naples
00:38:54oh but the matarazzo
00:38:55who said
00:38:56she spoke to us
00:38:57with the matarazzo
00:38:58no I'm the matarazzo
00:38:59he didn't speak to us
00:38:59Why
00:39:01because to me
00:39:02I was given the task
00:39:03Of
00:39:04to kill them
00:39:06and that's it
00:39:07listen though
00:39:08she gave
00:39:08a version
00:39:10essentially
00:39:11different
00:39:12the matarazzo
00:39:13he told us
00:39:13that that morning
00:39:14had warmed up
00:39:16the engine
00:39:16for about 5 minutes
00:39:18as he always did
00:39:19then he came
00:39:20Casillo
00:39:21she greeted
00:39:22Casillo
00:39:22and he was going
00:39:22when she
00:39:23he was almost there
00:39:24Neighbor
00:39:25at the front door
00:39:26at the entrance
00:39:27of the gate
00:39:27of the palace
00:39:28he says beautiful and good
00:39:29he skipped everyone
00:39:32he skipped all the births
00:39:33excuse me Marra
00:39:34but at this point
00:39:35the question was
00:39:36they jumped on their own
00:39:38or someone blew them up
00:39:40let's forget it
00:39:41but you the question
00:39:42you have to ask yourself
00:39:43you don't have to ask me
00:39:44we agree
00:39:45we are in perfect agreement
00:39:47I would like to know
00:39:48if they were killed
00:39:49other women
00:39:51linked to characters
00:39:53prominent
00:39:53of the Camorra
00:39:54to answer again
00:39:56to the answer
00:39:56of the first prosecutor
00:39:57we had them killed
00:39:58Matteo's family
00:39:59that died there
00:39:59mother and sister
00:40:01for the sole fact
00:40:02that we killed
00:40:03the son first
00:40:04the nephew
00:40:05and a cousin
00:40:06and then we had to kill
00:40:08due to force majeure
00:40:09the mother
00:40:09the daughter
00:40:10and a sister-in-law
00:40:11and Matteo's wife
00:40:12as
00:40:13they were aware
00:40:14of many secrets
00:40:15of the organization
00:40:15just for this reason
00:40:17she died
00:40:17an entire family
00:40:18Matteo's family
00:40:20in Zandantimo
00:40:21Matteo's mother
00:40:22Matteo's wife
00:40:23and Matteo's sister
00:40:24who were at home
00:40:25after we killed
00:40:27his family member
00:40:28All right
00:40:28other questions
00:40:29last question
00:40:30Mr. President
00:40:31this is the end
00:40:32of appreciation
00:40:33of credibility
00:40:34or less
00:40:35of the witness
00:40:36we have learned
00:40:38from his deposition
00:40:39who confessed
00:40:41some murders
00:40:42more or less
00:40:43can you tell us
00:40:43of how many
00:40:44he confessed to it
00:40:45how many he confessed
00:40:47several
00:40:48Meaning what
00:40:511,2,3,4,10,20
00:40:5320
00:40:55but up to this point
00:40:56of the process
00:40:57it has not been reached
00:40:58no certainty
00:40:59nor on why
00:41:00he was killed
00:41:01Vincenzo Casillo
00:41:03nor by whom
00:41:03he was killed
00:41:04Furthermore
00:41:06also the possibility
00:41:07that it was
00:41:07an accident
00:41:08it is unlikely
00:41:10given the nature
00:41:11of the explosive used
00:41:13a military explosive
00:41:14the T4
00:41:15the T4
00:41:18if it gets hit
00:41:22does it explode or not
00:41:24the T4
00:41:25first of all
00:41:25Surely
00:41:27it was not considered
00:41:28like T4
00:41:29as a molecule
00:41:30pure chemistry
00:41:32because surely
00:41:32it was connected
00:41:34with other material
00:41:35it's absurd
00:41:35to be able to handle
00:41:36the T4
00:41:37why T4
00:41:38who handles it
00:41:38it's like nitroglycerin
00:41:40it explodes in your hand
00:41:41to whoever handles it
00:41:42this is the first point
00:41:43it is not said
00:41:43that cannot explode
00:41:44with a bump
00:41:45but with a shock
00:41:46it would be understood
00:41:47in this case in particular
00:41:48a collision
00:41:49of the car
00:41:50for example
00:41:50in an accident
00:41:51or a crash
00:41:53of the car
00:41:53against a wall
00:41:54or something
00:41:55but not an accident
00:41:57not a shock
00:41:58that is, a vibration
00:41:59due
00:42:00at a glance
00:42:02of counter
00:42:02or the vibration
00:42:03due
00:42:04to a person
00:42:05who sits down
00:42:06above
00:42:06to a seat
00:42:07I would like to say one thing
00:42:08it is not easily available
00:42:10let this be clear
00:42:11apart from the fact that it costs a lot
00:42:13it is not easily available
00:42:14I'll make you use it
00:42:15that we
00:42:15how many instructions
00:42:16we did
00:42:16how many bombs
00:42:17we have masses
00:42:18us
00:42:18the only explosive
00:42:19that we have been
00:42:20always in possession
00:42:21was
00:42:22for the maximum
00:42:23TNT
00:42:23that we bought
00:42:25from those who were
00:42:25in the quarries
00:42:26or we did
00:42:26we the thefts
00:42:27in the quarries
00:42:28the dust
00:42:29of mine
00:42:30and sometimes
00:42:31some time
00:42:32but it was a rare thing
00:42:33with that little bit of plastic
00:42:34a military explosive
00:42:36you see a little
00:42:37how many with them have found
00:42:38of the Camorra
00:42:38how many with them are there
00:42:39I had it found
00:42:40weapons
00:42:41see if sometimes
00:42:42they found
00:42:42this military exhibition
00:42:43somewhere
00:42:44but the Cutoli Camorra
00:42:46Mr. President
00:42:47beyond the fact
00:42:48of having come into contact
00:42:49with political figures
00:42:51and beyond the fact
00:42:52Cyril
00:42:53it has always been anyway
00:42:55a Camorra
00:42:56bloody yes
00:42:57but of character
00:42:59country girl
00:42:59I would like to say
00:43:00in quotation marks
00:43:01where it is used
00:43:03the gun
00:43:03and not the timer
00:43:04there is no
00:43:05in the case history
00:43:07for that which
00:43:08it's the experience
00:43:09of a whole series
00:43:10massive crimes
00:43:12nothing but
00:43:13not one, two, three
00:43:14There are hundreds here
00:43:15of deaths
00:43:16there is no
00:43:17just one example
00:43:19a single experience
00:43:21previous
00:43:22that can lead back
00:43:23to this situation
00:43:26Pasquale Barra
00:43:27lives in prison
00:43:28since 1971
00:43:29when he had
00:43:3029 years old
00:43:32said animal
00:43:33for the ferocity
00:43:34with which he performed
00:43:35the murders
00:43:35it was the killer
00:43:37of the Camorra
00:43:38within
00:43:38of the prisons
00:43:39to impose
00:43:40the supremacy
00:43:40by Cutolo
00:43:41of which it was
00:43:42company
00:43:42of childhood
00:43:44he entered
00:43:45in legend
00:43:46for having eaten
00:43:47the heart
00:43:47by Epaminondas
00:43:48and have killed
00:43:49Francis Turatello
00:43:53aware
00:43:54of responsibility
00:43:55that with the oath
00:43:56assumes before God
00:43:57if he is a believer
00:43:58in front of men
00:43:59you swear to tell the truth
00:44:00the whole truth
00:44:00nothing else
00:44:01that the truth
00:44:01say I swear
00:44:02Come in
00:44:04Mr. Barra
00:44:06her name is
00:44:07Easter Bar
00:44:08born from Octavian
00:44:09January 18th
00:44:1042
00:44:10Resident there
00:44:12Red Cross Street
00:44:13number 7
00:44:16she declared
00:44:18Mr. President
00:44:19I would like to say
00:44:20a word
00:44:20if you recommend it to me
00:44:22I swore
00:44:23because as right
00:44:24I have to swear
00:44:25but I don't confirm anything
00:44:26why am I not cooperating
00:44:28it's been two years
00:44:30this is what I had to say
00:44:33don't you want to repeat?
00:44:35I don't confirm anything
00:44:36of what I said
00:44:37because it's been two years
00:44:39that I'm not cooperating
00:44:40All right
00:44:40but at this point she
00:44:41he is questioned as a witness
00:44:42but I don't answer
00:44:43not even as lyrics
00:44:44Mr. President
00:44:45but as texts
00:44:46she incurs
00:44:46in the crime of reticence
00:44:48Well
00:44:48we incur the crime
00:44:50there are no problems
00:44:51Mr. President
00:44:52because I'm two years old
00:44:53that I'm not cooperating
00:44:54everyone knows it
00:44:54the magistrates of Naples
00:44:56Therefore
00:44:58let's go to reticence
00:44:59there are no problems
00:45:00listen
00:45:01he wants me to read them to him
00:45:02what she said
00:45:03no but I'm not confirming anything
00:45:04I, Mr. President
00:45:05you can read it
00:45:06I don't have to
00:45:06confirm nothing
00:45:07I don't have to say anything
00:45:08that's all
00:45:12I don't ask
00:45:13the arrest
00:45:15of the Barra
00:45:16in the classroom
00:45:17I've been in for 20 years
00:45:19Mr. President
00:45:20it's been 20 years
00:45:21I apologize
00:45:22yes yes
00:45:22I don't interrupt
00:45:23it's because
00:45:24personally
00:45:25I think
00:45:26that the Barra
00:45:28it had to be heard
00:45:29according to the senses
00:45:30of the article
00:45:30450 bis
00:45:32okay Barra
00:45:33can go
00:45:45her name is
00:45:46Auriemma Giovanni
00:45:47yes yes
00:45:48she preliminarily
00:45:50you have to tell me
00:45:50if you mean
00:45:51or does not intend
00:45:52answer
00:45:53I don't mean
00:45:53answer
00:45:55there are reasons
00:45:57for which
00:45:57she doesn't mean
00:45:58answer
00:45:59I don't mean
00:45:59answer
00:46:06how convenient
00:46:07incarnate
00:46:11her name is
00:46:12incarnate Mario
00:46:13born in Naples
00:46:14March 8th
00:46:15of 1953
00:46:16she is detained
00:46:18for what?
00:46:19for murders
00:46:20and more
00:46:20has he ever been judged
00:46:24by membership
00:46:26to the new
00:46:27organized Camorra
00:46:28she also has
00:46:29also
00:46:30the faculty
00:46:31to abstain
00:46:32to answer
00:46:32to the questions
00:46:33of the court
00:46:35do you want to answer?
00:46:36No
00:46:36I don't mean
00:46:37answer
00:46:37he wants to clarify
00:46:39these reasons?
00:46:40but the reasons
00:46:41that I
00:46:41I already made it clear
00:46:42many times
00:46:43for example
00:46:44nothing was done
00:46:46various things
00:46:47Meaning what
00:46:47I don't mean
00:46:48answer
00:46:49and that's it
00:46:52but she
00:46:53he confirms
00:46:53what he has
00:46:54declared
00:46:55to the judge
00:46:56instructor?
00:46:56Mr. President
00:46:57if I don't mean
00:46:58answer
00:46:59this means
00:46:59that I don't have
00:47:00neither
00:47:00that I lost
00:47:01Done
00:47:01Mr. President
00:47:02two months ago
00:47:02to me
00:47:02they killed me
00:47:03another sister-in-law
00:47:06I understand
00:47:07and this was
00:47:08an element
00:47:09decisive
00:47:09for her
00:47:10but it wasn't
00:47:11that is me
00:47:14I have never
00:47:15asked for nothing
00:47:16to Italian justice
00:47:17I never asked
00:47:18Nothing
00:47:18but I asked
00:47:19the minimum one
00:47:20that at least
00:47:20for example
00:47:21no to me
00:47:22my family members
00:47:24seen and considered
00:47:25that was not done
00:47:25Nothing
00:47:26Nothing
00:47:26but not at my level
00:47:28because I don't ask
00:47:28and it comes out
00:47:29out
00:47:29and they come
00:47:30independent
00:47:31that is to me
00:47:31I'm not interested
00:47:32these things
00:47:33but unfortunately
00:47:34I did it
00:47:34this choice
00:47:35I was accepted
00:47:36but when then
00:47:37I didn't ask
00:47:37to give
00:47:38my family members
00:47:39and certain things
00:47:40that is, that my family members
00:47:41they are found
00:47:42they asked me
00:47:44with what courage
00:47:45there are three and a half
00:47:47to come
00:47:47to give up
00:47:48a bit
00:47:48the process
00:47:49then I want to know
00:47:50one thing
00:47:50Mr. President
00:47:51I am
00:47:52five years
00:47:52that I am dissociated
00:47:53Right
00:47:53in all the kicks
00:47:55that I have been
00:47:55to me
00:47:56the day
00:47:56working
00:47:57they always have it for me
00:47:57date
00:47:58pure
00:47:59Ariane Irpina
00:48:00also Ariane Irpina
00:48:02now that he has come
00:48:02a new commander
00:48:03he said
00:48:04who doesn't have it
00:48:05from
00:48:06Right
00:48:06I want
00:48:07That
00:48:08take minutes
00:48:09that warns
00:48:10the ministry
00:48:10and makes it come
00:48:11I want to be questioned
00:48:13by a magistrate
00:48:14of the ministry
00:48:15with regard to
00:48:16some chores
00:48:17on the hunt
00:48:17by Ariane Irpina
00:48:19she can do
00:48:20all questions
00:48:21what he wants
00:48:21but not in this court
00:48:23Anyway
00:48:23I'm interested to know
00:48:24that she doesn't mean
00:48:25answer
00:48:26and with this
00:48:28he doesn't mean
00:48:29not even confirm
00:48:30what she
00:48:31has already declared
00:48:31to the investigating judge
00:48:33Exactly
00:48:34I ask
00:48:35to be questioned
00:48:37by a magistrate
00:48:38of the ministry
00:48:39to explain
00:48:41certain things
00:48:42which concern
00:48:42my life too
00:48:44All right
00:48:45anyway now
00:48:47you can sit down
00:48:53Thank you
00:48:54he doesn't mean
00:48:55answer
00:48:57can
00:49:00specify
00:49:00the reasons
00:49:01of this refusal
00:49:02for no reason
00:49:03for no reason
00:49:04she
00:49:05he doesn't mean
00:49:06answer
00:49:07in the sense
00:49:08who doesn't want
00:49:08not even confirm
00:49:09the statements
00:49:10surrenders under investigation
00:49:11I don't mean
00:49:13answer to nothing
00:49:13he doesn't mean
00:49:14answer to nothing
00:49:15All right
00:49:18can accommodate you
00:49:19Thank you
00:49:29they fall like this
00:49:31all the witnesses
00:49:32against
00:49:32Raffaele Cutolo
00:49:34Sister Rosetta
00:49:35and Giuseppe Pucca
00:49:36but according to the defense
00:49:38Vincenzo Casillo
00:49:39he was killed
00:49:40as he wrote
00:49:41even the same
00:49:42Cutolo
00:49:42at the court
00:49:43because he had
00:49:44participated
00:49:45to the negotiation
00:49:46state
00:49:46Camorra
00:49:47happened
00:49:48during the
00:49:49kidnapping
00:49:49Cyril
00:49:50Indeed
00:49:51when the exponent
00:49:52of the DC
00:49:52Neapolitan
00:49:53he was kidnapped
00:49:54from the Red Brigades
00:49:55for his
00:49:56liberation
00:49:56it was asked
00:49:57help
00:49:57to Raffaele Cutolo
00:49:58it is in fact
00:50:00on file
00:50:00that Vincenzo Casillo
00:50:01he went to visit
00:50:02the boss
00:50:03in prison
00:50:04together with characters
00:50:05of the services
00:50:06secrets
00:50:08actually
00:50:09I am accused
00:50:10unfairly
00:50:10and the whole castle
00:50:12of accusation
00:50:12finds its origin
00:50:13in the episode
00:50:14of the kidnapping
00:50:14Cyril
00:50:15of which
00:50:16I got interested
00:50:17when I intervened
00:50:18for his release
00:50:19upon insistence and request
00:50:21by Casillo himself
00:50:22who came
00:50:22to find myself in prison
00:50:23two or three times
00:50:24with various characters
00:50:25she remembers
00:50:26of having released
00:50:27these statements
00:50:28to these characters
00:50:29and then
00:50:30she confirms
00:50:31in full
00:50:31these statements
00:50:33It's April 24th
00:50:35of '81
00:50:35when a commando
00:50:36of the Russian Brigades
00:50:37kidnaps below
00:50:38his home
00:50:39in Torre del Greco
00:50:40the Christian Democrat councilor
00:50:42to public works
00:50:42of the Campania region
00:50:44Ciro Cirillo
00:50:45trustworthy man
00:50:46by Antonio Gava
00:50:47in the kidnapping
00:50:49the driver dies
00:50:50and a petty officer
00:50:51of the police
00:50:53on the contrary
00:50:53for what happened
00:50:54for the Moro kidnapping
00:50:55the DC
00:50:56he wants it at all costs
00:50:57the liberation
00:50:58of this politician
00:50:59series B
00:51:01to get it
00:51:02it is used
00:51:03to help
00:51:03by Raffaele Cutolo
00:51:04undisputed leader
00:51:06of the Camorra
00:51:06that controls
00:51:07capillaryly
00:51:08the whole territory
00:51:09Campanian
00:51:11and it's very powerful
00:51:12within
00:51:13of the prisons
00:51:14and Cutolo
00:51:14will intervene
00:51:15in prisons
00:51:16Indeed
00:51:17when they hesitate
00:51:18at the start
00:51:19the brigadists
00:51:19he has himself stabbed
00:51:20causes attack
00:51:21Moretti
00:51:21he makes you stab
00:51:23of the militants
00:51:24the message is
00:51:26it becomes hell
00:51:27your life
00:51:27if you don't find it
00:51:29agree
00:51:39and it's Vincenzo Casillo
00:51:40or Nero
00:51:41fugitive
00:51:41lieutenant
00:51:42of the boss
00:51:43that organizes
00:51:43the whole operation
00:51:44and he's in prison
00:51:46from Ascoli Piceno
00:51:47that happen
00:51:47repeated
00:51:48and numerous meetings
00:51:49between Cutolo
00:51:49his closest ones
00:51:50collaborators
00:51:51Casillo
00:51:52Corrado Iacolare
00:51:53Pasquale D'Amico
00:51:54and the agents
00:51:55of the secret services
00:51:56until the mediation
00:51:58among the secret services
00:51:59and Red Brigades
00:52:00carried forward
00:52:01from the Cutolians
00:52:02comes to a successful conclusion
00:52:03and July 27th
00:52:05Ciro Cirillo
00:52:06he is released
00:52:06without it being there for him
00:52:07state wrong
00:52:08not even a hair
00:52:12once freed
00:52:13instead of in front
00:52:15to the judicial authority
00:52:16Ciro Cirillo
00:52:17he will be escorted back
00:52:18directly
00:52:19in his house
00:52:19where the first people
00:52:21who will meet
00:52:22they will be
00:52:22the Honorable Piccoli
00:52:23Secretary of the DC
00:52:24and the Honorable Gala
00:52:28what was paid
00:52:30in terms of money
00:52:31favors
00:52:31promises kept
00:52:33and commitments made
00:52:34it remained
00:52:35remains
00:52:36and will remain
00:52:37one of the many mysteries
00:52:39of Italian public life
00:52:43for clarification
00:52:45if he has knowledge
00:52:47of the Pantico
00:52:48of the role
00:52:49of the late Casillo
00:52:50in the negotiation
00:52:52Cyril
00:52:53or Red Brigades
00:52:54the question
00:52:56as it was formulated
00:52:58it is certainly not admissible
00:53:00other questions
00:53:07this question
00:53:08it is not admissible
00:53:09No
00:53:09if he can contest
00:53:11to the test
00:53:12Mr. President
00:53:13in a report
00:53:15trial
00:53:16the President's question
00:53:18the Pantico responds
00:53:19but not to the point
00:53:20the Pantico
00:53:21lawyer
00:53:21not the Pantico
00:53:22do not offend
00:53:23and for goodness sake
00:53:24not the Pantico
00:53:25not the Pantico
00:53:25let's not make a point
00:53:27an accentuation of a verb
00:53:28the Pantico
00:53:29agree
00:53:30we have defiled
00:53:31the accent
00:53:31no no no
00:53:32for goodness sake lawyer
00:53:33if one last question
00:53:35if the Pantico
00:53:38if the Pantico
00:53:39he knows what they are
00:53:40Pantico
00:53:41if I am a southerner
00:53:43she is cunning
00:53:44a southerner
00:53:45Pantico is fine
00:53:46if he knows what round ones are
00:53:49within the Camorra
00:53:51has it ever been used
00:53:52the round expression
00:53:54with reference to bombs
00:53:55if you talk
00:53:56within the Camorra
00:53:57it can also be
00:53:58a term used
00:53:59from Camorristi
00:54:00for these things
00:54:01can also
00:54:02but I've never heard of it
00:54:03that is, we didn't use
00:54:05the bars
00:54:05these things here
00:54:06I don't rule it out
00:54:07does not exclude
00:54:08that could refer to
00:54:09a Camorra opinion
00:54:10here eh
00:54:11Not
00:54:12whether it's the bombs
00:54:14Pantico or Pantico
00:54:15are you reporting?
00:54:16but what does Pantico have to report?
00:54:17Pantico didn't know anything
00:54:19nothing at all
00:54:20he didn't know
00:54:20we could have known
00:54:21Raffaele Catapano
00:54:22we could have known
00:54:24the empress
00:54:24he could have known
00:54:25let's say 8-9 of us
00:54:26but Pantico didn't know
00:54:27nothing at all
00:54:28why Pantico
00:54:28he did not report
00:54:29a role
00:54:29let's say of importance
00:54:30Pantico was a simple scribe
00:54:32that Cuto gave him the letters
00:54:33the broom
00:54:34when I was there
00:54:34to answer
00:54:35that's all
00:54:36Pantico was nobody
00:54:38Pantico is a poor Christ
00:54:39but it's not
00:54:39I repeat
00:54:40it's not that I'm taking
00:54:41part of Cuto
00:54:41I don't care
00:54:42by Cuto
00:54:42I did it in Cuto
00:54:43take a touch
00:54:43of the cable
00:54:44when he is guilty
00:54:45I'll tell him
00:54:46and I don't care
00:54:47I don't put my family
00:54:49to Repentant
00:54:49for nothing
00:54:50because there is a lawyer
00:54:51which Pantico
00:54:51asked Pantico
00:54:52Mr. President
00:54:53always reports
00:54:54Mr. D'Amico
00:54:55in his interrogation
00:54:57that it is Casillo
00:54:59that Iacolare
00:54:59they were walking around with documents
00:55:02of a petty officer
00:55:03of the Carabinieri
00:55:04official
00:55:04official
00:55:05it can be confirmed
00:55:06this circumstance
00:55:07official
00:55:07Iacular
00:55:09and Casillo
00:55:09I came
00:55:11and they told us
00:55:12this is the truth
00:55:14documents
00:55:15false documents
00:55:16false secrets
00:55:17because they were the truth
00:55:18both
00:55:18and how does she know?
00:55:19this particular?
00:55:21yes I know
00:55:21these things
00:55:22Cuto put them on me
00:55:23but not only
00:55:24even outside
00:55:25they put them on me
00:55:25let's say
00:55:26they put me
00:55:27current
00:55:27of these things here
00:55:28then both Casillo
00:55:30that Iacolare
00:55:30me with all these people
00:55:31I know people
00:55:32It's not that I've heard them mentioned
00:55:34they are all people
00:55:34which were like outside
00:55:35we did
00:55:36of crimes outside
00:55:37All right
00:55:38Pasquale told me
00:55:39which probably
00:55:41they had been
00:55:41the secret services
00:55:43Why
00:55:43the Casillo
00:55:45he was looking for
00:55:46to blackmail
00:55:46some political figures
00:55:48as
00:55:49had been made
00:55:49of promises
00:55:50didn't come
00:55:50I have kept some
00:55:51based on
00:55:52of the interlaces
00:55:53that they had done
00:55:54that I don't even know
00:55:55I want to know about it
00:55:56this is the version
00:55:57by Scotti
00:55:58but to me
00:56:00All right
00:56:00Marra
00:56:01but
00:56:01there is a certain contradiction
00:56:03as she said
00:56:05because she on one side
00:56:06he apologizes
00:56:07but this reveals it
00:56:08she only
00:56:09because there isn't
00:56:09no contradiction
00:56:10please lawyer
00:56:11leave me
00:56:12please lawyer
00:56:14excuse me for example
00:56:15but she starts
00:56:15with an aside
00:56:16which we do not agree with
00:56:17All right
00:56:17I will change
00:56:18I will change the shape
00:56:19be calm
00:56:20she said
00:56:21that on one hand
00:56:22there was the version
00:56:23let's try to clarify well
00:56:25on one side
00:56:25there was a version
00:56:27let's say so
00:56:27official
00:56:28to be spread
00:56:29in the context
00:56:30of the prisons
00:56:31and that was that
00:56:33That
00:56:34Casillo and Cuomo
00:56:35they had jumped
00:56:36for an accident
00:56:37Yes
00:56:38Exactly
00:56:38then she said
00:56:40but to me
00:56:41Scotti
00:56:42to me Scotti
00:56:44in confidence
00:56:45he told me
00:56:46that had been done
00:56:47jump
00:56:48from someone
00:56:50in her opinion
00:56:51what is the truth?
00:56:57Please
00:56:58that is me
00:57:00I am fully convinced of it
00:57:01and always remains convinced
00:57:02because I
00:57:03I don't have to sell either
00:57:04nor buy here
00:57:04Certain
00:57:05I am convinced
00:57:06that Casillo
00:57:08my opinion
00:57:11it was blown up
00:57:13for the interludes
00:57:15what he did
00:57:16at the political level
00:57:17these are
00:57:19us
00:57:19I'll heat it up
00:57:20the most absolute
00:57:21that we
00:57:22we could have
00:57:23to blow up Casillo
00:57:24before the judge
00:57:25instructor
00:57:26she didn't do it
00:57:26nod
00:57:27at this meeting
00:57:28I made it clear
00:57:29he just made him understand
00:57:31but he didn't say it
00:57:32expressly
00:57:32he didn't say it explicitly
00:57:33because he had a home
00:57:34because he had a home
00:57:35he had to be informed
00:57:37Yes
00:57:38from the
00:57:39let's say
00:57:40of decisions
00:57:41instead to me
00:57:41it was necessary to kill
00:57:42one of ours
00:57:43of that caliber
00:57:44he had to be informed
00:57:45breast
00:57:45then I'll tell you something
00:57:47at that time
00:57:47in '83
00:57:48let's say
00:57:48someone told me
00:57:49when he was already almost sorry
00:57:51Barri was sorry
00:57:52what they had done
00:57:53the statements
00:57:53let's say
00:57:54there was no one left
00:57:55they had to tell me
00:57:56let's say these things
00:57:57that is, it gives me a current
00:57:59and talk
00:58:00and there
00:58:01I've been 30 years old
00:58:04Pasquale D'Amico
00:58:05it is one of the very rare cases
00:58:07of a Camorrista
00:58:07died of natural causes
00:58:12there is no doubt
00:58:16that this process
00:58:18falls into the category
00:58:20of circumstantial trials
00:58:21but
00:58:22from the trial documents
00:58:24we don't have
00:58:26evaluation moments
00:58:28serious and precise
00:58:30in order of modalities
00:58:32of transmission
00:58:33of the order
00:58:34by Cutolo Raffaele
00:58:35to the organization
00:58:37waves for which I ask
00:58:39that the Assize Court of Rome
00:58:41want to acquit
00:58:43Raffaele Cutolo
00:58:44Cutolo Rosa
00:58:45and Puga Giuseppe
00:58:46from the crimes attributed to them
00:58:48due to lack of evidence
00:58:49at 8:15 in the morning
00:58:52shortly before
00:58:52that Casillo would blow up
00:58:56says Cillari
00:58:57about the knurled card
00:59:00the knurled card
00:59:01it's that famous card
00:59:02of the secret services
00:59:03which we all agree on
00:59:04that I talked about
00:59:07in previous interrogations
00:59:09I'm sure
00:59:10that the Casillo
00:59:11he had it with him
00:59:12because opening the diary
00:59:14to make an appointment with me
00:59:15this card
00:59:17he fell to the ground
00:59:18listen
00:59:19I'm surprised
00:59:21that the police
00:59:23I have not found
00:59:24the membership card
00:59:25as he tells me
00:59:26Your Lordship
00:59:27as
00:59:29I'm sure
00:59:30that the Casillo
00:59:31he put it back
00:59:32inside the paper
00:59:34of identity
00:59:34by Luigi Riccio
00:59:35gentlemen
00:59:36very excellent
00:59:37honorable lay judges
00:59:39the identity card
00:59:41by Luigi Riccio
00:59:42it was found
00:59:45at the site of the bang
00:59:48whole
00:59:50whole
00:59:51if the services diverted
00:59:53they had made some agreements
00:59:56with Casillo
00:59:57and Casillo
00:59:58subsequently
00:59:59to the episode
00:59:59Cyril
01:00:00he blackmailed them
01:00:01to always have more
01:00:03protections
01:00:04or other things
01:00:04it is possible
01:00:05it is possible
01:00:08gentlemen
01:00:09for those who have been
01:00:11the episodes
01:00:11that are in front
01:00:12in the eyes of us all
01:00:13for ten years
01:00:14of history
01:00:15infamous
01:00:16in quotation marks
01:00:17of ours
01:00:18Republic
01:00:20well
01:00:21most excellent gentlemen
01:00:22the episode
01:00:23membership card
01:00:23takes on a significance
01:00:25sensational
01:00:25certainly more relevant
01:00:27I'll tell you
01:00:28of the reason
01:00:29of the fact
01:00:30that Casillo
01:00:31he didn't send anymore
01:00:32the money
01:00:32to the organization
01:00:34and since then
01:00:35very excellent
01:00:35Mr. President
01:00:36this painting
01:00:37evidentiary
01:00:38that he would like
01:00:39Cutolo Principal
01:00:40Rosetta
01:00:43instigator of the mandate
01:00:45how do we want to define it
01:00:46and Puga
01:00:47material executor
01:00:49it is an evidentiary framework
01:00:50which rests
01:00:51Truly
01:00:52about nothing
01:00:53the court
01:00:54must fulfill
01:00:54the defendants
01:00:55in particular
01:00:56Cutolo and Raffaele
01:00:57because the fact
01:00:58as contested
01:00:59it does not exist
01:01:00or alternatively
01:01:02for not having committed it
01:01:03Thank you
01:01:04the defendant
01:01:06Raffaele Cutolo
01:01:07do you have something to say?
01:01:09he wrote to him
01:01:09everything in that letter
01:01:10Mr. President
01:01:11All right
01:01:11thank you
01:01:12to her
01:01:13distinguished
01:01:14Mr. President
01:01:15me after death
01:01:16by Enzo
01:01:17from the day
01:01:18in which
01:01:19I got married
01:01:20I swore
01:01:21on the altar
01:01:22enough with
01:01:23every type
01:01:23of violence
01:01:24and that's it
01:01:24with my life
01:01:25past
01:01:26but without
01:01:27to deny
01:01:28none of it
01:01:29I want to live
01:01:30in peace
01:01:31with everyone
01:01:31because I am
01:01:32in love
01:01:33of this woman
01:01:37Immaculate
01:01:38Iacone
01:01:39it's little more
01:01:39that a little girl
01:01:40when he falls in love
01:01:41by Raffaele Cutolo
01:01:42and becomes
01:01:43the boss's woman
01:01:44she is 17 years old
01:01:46he's 38
01:01:48in May
01:01:49of '83
01:01:49they get married
01:01:50in the chapel
01:01:51of Asinara
01:01:54Immaculate
01:01:55it is always present
01:01:56in the classrooms
01:01:57where they are celebrated
01:01:58the processes
01:01:58against Cutolo
01:02:00he looks at it
01:02:01he scrutinizes it
01:02:02consoles him
01:02:03it's a blind love
01:02:05total
01:02:06tragic
01:02:07and desperate
01:02:08the andico has always been
01:02:18a poor man
01:02:19mentally ill
01:02:21so much so that often
01:02:22in Ascoli
01:02:23he asked me
01:02:23to have killed
01:02:24one's own hand
01:02:26I recognize
01:02:26to be boss
01:02:27of the new Camorra
01:02:28organized
01:02:29which however
01:02:29it's not an organization
01:02:30criminal
01:02:31but an ideal of mine
01:02:32in the sense
01:02:33that I always have
01:02:34done good
01:02:34to relieve
01:02:35the misery
01:02:36which exists in Campania
01:02:37okay Cutolo
01:02:38this letter is his
01:02:39she confirms it
01:02:40Yes
01:02:40Thank you
01:02:42has anything else to add
01:02:44yes President
01:02:45I want to tell him
01:02:46I'm in prison
01:02:47for 26 years
01:02:49lately
01:02:50I took
01:02:50some 10
01:02:50life sentence
01:02:51so my life
01:02:52he must end up in prison
01:02:55but I don't want to pay
01:02:56for death
01:02:57of the friend
01:02:58he is my dearest
01:03:01I repeat
01:03:01everyone told me
01:03:02which was
01:03:02an accident
01:03:05if then
01:03:06it's a murder
01:03:07you should ask
01:03:08at a certain point
01:03:09state apparatus
01:03:12which he released to him
01:03:13the card
01:03:14of the secret services
01:03:15and entered
01:03:16although the teacher
01:03:17and entered
01:03:17in all Italian prisons
01:03:19but everyone told me
01:03:21that it was an accident
01:03:22but I thank you
01:03:24Thank you
01:03:25then the name
01:03:27of the Italian people
01:03:27in the courtyard
01:03:29of the Rome headquarters
01:03:30seen the article
01:03:31479
01:03:33code
01:03:33criminal procedure
01:03:34absolves
01:03:35Raffaele Cutolo
01:03:35Cutolo Rosette
01:03:36and Puga Giuseppe
01:03:38from the accusation
01:03:38written by them
01:03:39for not having committed
01:03:41the fact
01:03:42the hearing
01:03:43it is removed
01:03:44lawyer
01:03:45great battle
01:03:46it has become a game
01:03:47it has become a game
01:03:48it has become a game
01:03:49don't give us
01:03:49it has become a game
01:03:50it has become a lot
01:03:51here is gullitto
01:03:52it is the truth
01:03:53Anyway
01:03:53it was a great
01:03:54contribution
01:03:54Truly
01:03:55lawyer
01:03:55see you soon
01:03:56come on
01:03:57alright
01:03:58I for so long
01:03:58you know why
01:03:59I'm calling you
01:04:00I am
01:04:00I
01:04:00I'm calling you
01:04:01I
01:04:02and then
01:04:03he said
01:04:04the master
01:04:05we have to do
01:04:07the team
01:04:07the team
01:04:19For some years there was silence about the death of Vincenzo Casillo until they were condemned
01:04:26two bosses of the great rival, the new family, who had accused themselves, were sentenced to life imprisonment
01:04:32of the murder. And even though the involvement of the secret services emerged during the trial
01:04:38in the murder of Vincenzo Casillo, this level has never been fully clarified
01:04:44and tried. Many are convinced that the truth was not reached because the kidnapping
01:04:51Ciro Cirillo was the first case of proof of the existence of the negotiation between the State
01:04:58and organized crime. We're done for tonight, I'll say goodbye and see you again.
01:05:04See you next Saturday, again around midnight, again on Rai 3. Goodbye.
01:05:10We heard very loud voices, we heard screams, it was an attack,
01:05:20a verbal assault. Then I saw that with his right hand he took a knife, cut
01:05:27the throat from left to right. So you actually witnessed this scene?
01:05:33Yes.