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00:11Hello there and welcome to your first one show of the week live on BBC One and I play
00:16with Roman Kent and Alex Jones. Now last night's TV BAFTAs saw big wins for celebrity traitors
00:21and adolescents which made history picking up four awards. I was on red carpet hosting
00:26duties last night. Yeah very exciting and tonight we're joined by two actors who know a thing
00:32or two about winning awards. Yes legend of stage and screen Sir Ian McKellen will be telling us
00:37about his heartwarming new film The Christophers in which he stars alongside Michaela Cole about
00:43two artists who strike up an unlikely friendship despite one of them trying to forge the other's
00:48work. Plus we'll be talking to Ian about reuniting with his Lord of the Rings family for the first
00:53time in over a decade. Somebody's pleased. Gandalf is back I cannot wait and joining in on the sofa
01:00is another brilliant actor who you'll know from Killing Eve and Grey's Anatomy but now Sandra Oh
01:05is preparing to make her UK theatre debut in a classic comedy with a modern twist. Also coming up
01:11as this week is Mental Health Awareness Week we'll be finding out about BBC Children in Need's powerful
01:16new campaign which launches today and aims to help support young people who are feeling worried.
01:22Later on we'll have an exclusive look and listen at a very special moment where Pudsey Bear will do
01:28something he's never done before and that is speak for the first time to help encourage important
01:33conversations. What does his voice sound like? I know I know it's such a special moment and when it comes
01:39to
01:39looking after our well-being we know that getting out in nature can be hugely beneficial which is why
01:44we have once again teamed up with the Royal Horticultural Society for our Pocket Garden Makeover Prize
01:50which sees garden designer Chris Hull transform people's small outdoor spaces. So in the first
01:56of two films on tonight's show here's Chris to tell us about the very deserving winner.
02:06The one show in the RHS's Pocket Garden Makeover Prize is a highlight of the year
02:11because I get to transform one lucky winner's tiny outdoor space into a much-needed green oasis.
02:18George just does sometimes need to be outside where he can sit and socialise.
02:23And the joy it brings is clear to see. One, two, three.
02:30Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. It's a really romantic place. It's absolutely awesome.
02:39We've been blown away by the number of entries we've had this year but there was one couple
02:44and garden that really stood out to us because their only outdoor space is a balcony. For this couple,
02:50their second floor balcony has become a place of refuge for them when their health struggles have
02:54got a bit too much. And that's why Lewis and Ricky from Cambridgeshire are this year's winners of the
02:59Pocket Garden Makeover Prize. And they were delighted when they heard the news.
03:06Normal people don't win things. You never really expect it to be you.
03:10Teacher Lewis has M.E. that causes extreme fatigue.
03:14Hey, you getting involved.
03:15I feel like I haven't been able to do as much as I used to, but on the days that
03:21I can get
03:21out here, I try to.
03:23With Ricky's own mental health challenges, their small three by three metre balcony has
03:28become a lifeline where neither have the energy to go out.
03:32With my mental health condition, it can sometimes get a bit much, especially with people around
03:37and stuff. So having that peace and quiet to myself is quite nice.
03:41It's just a really nice kind of refuge away from what can be quite a stressful time.
03:47I think for me, kind of being a balcony, there's a lot of kind of wall around it.
03:52And I'd like to feel like we're still in somewhere quite green, a bit of a garden.
03:57Before I get designing, I want to find out more about how Lewis and Ricky use their balcony.
04:03So, Chris, come and take a look at the balcony in its current state then.
04:06Oh, wow.
04:08Yeah.
04:09So part of it is about growing something here and giving that kind of idea of height.
04:16It's clear that Lewis and Ricky have tried to make their balcony more inviting.
04:21This road of endurance is a beauty, isn't it?
04:23Yeah, absolutely.
04:23So it's about five years old and I bought it really small and I had no expectations and
04:29it's just absolutely taken off.
04:31I think getting wildlife into here would be really, really good.
04:34We do get a lot of sort of red kites coming over.
04:37I like the kites I especially love.
04:39Oh, I like that.
04:40I love a red kite.
04:43When you're on a balcony without the right design or planting, it can actually make you
04:47feel detached from nature rather than part of it.
04:49So, in search of inspiration, I've headed to nearby Cambridge University Botanic Gardens.
04:56It's also where I'm meeting Lewis's mum, Nicola.
05:00How important is it that I bring this feeling of an escape to their balcony?
05:04I think it'd be really important to them because they can't get out as much as they'd
05:07like at the moment.
05:08They can rest more and they haven't got a feeling they're missing out on anything because
05:12it's all on their doorstep.
05:13Lewis is in a very high stressful job with being a secondary school teacher.
05:17And Ricky sometimes goes in on his self as well.
05:20If you can do this onto their balcony, they'd be amazing.
05:23Yeah, OK.
05:25Back at Lewis and Ricky's.
05:27I'm hoping they'll like what I've got planned for their balcony.
05:30Right, Lewis and Ricky, this is the moment we've actually all been waiting for.
05:34This is your pocket garden makeover prize.
05:36Are you ready?
05:37Yeah.
05:39Wow.
05:40Wow.
05:41What do you reckon to that then?
05:43Yeah.
05:44Yeah.
05:44Absolutely stunning.
05:46My design makes use of all the space with bench seating and raised planters for flowers
05:52that will attract pollinators and a living wall, which I know they'll love.
05:57And that's not all.
05:58Have you spotted this?
05:59Yeah, I just noticed that.
06:00Yeah, I saw that right away.
06:02I decided to give you a water feature.
06:04I love that, the kind of, the sound of it.
06:06Yeah.
06:07While it was with it.
06:08We really like going out to the coast and stuff, don't we?
06:10Just like hearing the waves and that.
06:11I'd say just having the water here would be amazing.
06:13I can't wait.
06:16I'm really excited for Lewis and Ricky to see their pocket garden makeover because it's
06:21going to give them a space that offers sanctuary from the challenges of life.
06:27Lewis and Ricky are so deserving of the prize and very shortly we'll be showing you the amazing
06:31transformation Chris has made to their balcony.
06:34You won't believe it.
06:35It is so good.
06:36Stay tuned for that.
06:37Time now, though, to introduce tonight's guests.
06:39Between them, they've brought us so many iconic characters from Gandalf in Lord of the Rings
06:44to Eve in Killing Eve.
06:46Please welcome Sandra Oh and Ian McKellen.
06:51I cannot believe that you just said my name alongside Sir Ian's name.
06:57I just am like, thank you.
06:58Well, but you've both played icons that fans just absolutely love.
07:04Sandra, I'm going to come to you first because Dr. Christina Yang in Grey's Anatomy, so many
07:09people loved that character and still love that character.
07:13Last year, you actually got an honorary doctorate, so you became a real doctor.
07:17Yes, my parents were so pleased.
07:18But you kind of drew inspiration from Grey's Anatomy in your speech, let's say.
07:24There was a fantastic moment that you put together.
07:26Probably the end.
07:27But, you know, so my boss, Shonda Rhimes, who, you know, created Grey's Anatomy, she
07:34invited me to come to Dartmouth College to give the commencement speech.
07:38They're not easy to do.
07:39They're very, very nerve-wracking.
07:40But at the end of the speech, there was a classic moment of, you know, Christina and
07:45Meredith would dance it out.
07:46But I also felt like it was really, really important what I was saying to the kids,
07:50that they physicalize it at the very, very end in something joyous.
07:53Yeah, that was proper, that looked like a lot of fun there.
07:56Nice.
07:57It looked like everybody was enjoying them.
07:58Yeah.
07:59Well, we'll be talking about more much-loved characters later in the show when Ian tells
08:03us about returning to one of the biggest franchises on the planet, Lord of the Rings.
08:08But first, he's starring as a famous painter in a new comedy drama called The Christophers.
08:13Yes.
08:13In it, his children, played by James Corden and baby reindeers Jessica Gunning, want to
08:18get their hands on some of his portraits, which could be worth millions.
08:21But there's just one problem.
08:23They're not finished.
08:25So they hire a young artist to forge his work before Ian tells us more.
08:29Let's take a look.
08:31Everybody knows what one original Julian Sclave is worth.
08:34It's Julia.
08:35This way.
08:37You said this was a restoration job.
08:40It's a forgery job.
08:42No, no, no, no.
08:43What we're trying to get you to do is merely complete this.
08:46This isn't about the unfinished Christopher's, is it?
08:49There should be burned.
08:51At the crack of loon.
08:52Oh.
08:53I am not going back there.
08:55We'll give you £10,000.
08:57The answer is no.
08:58Oh, come on, mate.
08:5920.
08:5920 grand.
09:02Oh, no.
09:06So, Ian, now, you play Julian in this.
09:10And then Julian thinks he's hiring an assistant in the form of Michaela Cole.
09:15But, of course, this person's there for very different reasons, isn't she?
09:20We can't go too much into the plot because it's a bit of a thriller.
09:24But he's been living by himself for a long time and not painting, although before that he was considered to
09:30be one of the great English painters.
09:32But up in the attic, he's got some unfinished paintings that those dreadful children, Jessica and James, want to get
09:39hold of, at least after he dies.
09:42So, they send their mate along to interfere and set it all up and the plot unravels from there.
09:49Well, I was...
09:50Sorry, go ahead.
09:50I live in the most fantastic house in, I think it was in Knapper, full of everything you could ever
09:57want from an artist.
09:59I wanted to settle in there.
10:01It was gorgeous.
10:02I bet you did.
10:02I had a wonderful time doing it.
10:04In terms of the film as well, we see a little hint of it in the trailer itself.
10:08The two of you, you form an unlikely friendship, let's say.
10:11We do.
10:12We talk a lot about art and people might think, oh, I don't want to go see a movie about
10:16people talking about art.
10:17But they talk about it in a very entertaining way.
10:20And they're both, each of them are after something.
10:23And at the heart of it all is a love story that sent him off the rails.
10:32And it's quite moving.
10:34But it's the most wonderful part.
10:37I couldn't believe it when I read it.
10:39You know, Steven Soderbergh calls up and says, will you be in my next movie?
10:42You say, yes.
10:44Start saying, what's the part?
10:46But when I read the part, I'm half thrilled, was I?
10:49Because it was written for you, wasn't it?
10:50So they say.
10:53But with Kyla Cole, who plays the other part in the movie, they say it was written for her.
10:59And I can believe it.
11:00She was absolutely spot on.
11:02Well, I mean, you've got a big fan already in Sandra.
11:05Sandra, you've seen the film because it's already out in the U.S.
11:07I mean, what were your thoughts?
11:09I really wanted to see it before I met you.
11:11And I just loved it.
11:12I loved it.
11:14And also the way that the production design of what that house looks like and the light coming in.
11:21It's such London light.
11:24And also, you know, the heartbreak of kind of forgotten and decay of someone not wanting to kind of deal
11:36with the past is all displayed inside the house.
11:39And then it's a comedy at the same time.
11:41But you're right, a London house.
11:43It's a London movie.
11:45Yeah.
11:45These people couldn't live in any city in the world.
11:48Not Chicago.
11:51No.
11:53New York.
11:54No.
11:54No.
11:55It's London.
11:57And bits of London you recognise, of course, and that's as much why I loved it as anything else.
12:04Yeah.
12:04Do you know, I forgot we were on the television then.
12:05I did.
12:06Yeah.
12:07I was mesmerised.
12:09This is lovely.
12:09But we mentioned that the children are played by James Corden and Jessica Gunning.
12:13Dreadful children.
12:15Well, I mean, they're very funny.
12:17And two great comic performers.
12:19So hilarious.
12:20Was it hard keeping a straight face sometimes?
12:23It was.
12:26Particularly with Jessica.
12:28She is so hilarious.
12:31Yeah.
12:31Effortlessly funny.
12:32I envy that.
12:34I mean, to be able to make people laugh is the most difficult thing.
12:38But if you can do it, the most rewarding thing.
12:41And it has taken me 60 years of acting to begin to understand how to get a laugh.
12:46And you can only get a laugh if you're absolutely real.
12:50Yeah.
12:50I agree.
12:50Don't start showing off.
12:51No, no, I agree.
12:52And those two.
12:53I've got it.
12:54Nail it every time.
12:55She just looks very naughty, doesn't she?
12:57Yeah, always.
12:57Very, very good, those two.
13:00But, Ian, we were talking about iconic characters, you know, that obviously both of you have played throughout your careers.
13:05You touched on it 60 years in acting.
13:08When it comes to certain characters, are you surprised of the effect that it leaves on people?
13:14You know, the effect that it has when you come away from it?
13:17Because I know you tell a story about a couple that came to see you as their first date.
13:21Oh, it was lovely.
13:22I was coming out of the theatre and there was a little couple there.
13:27About my age.
13:28And they said, we just want to say that we had our first date and saw you and Francesca
13:34Alice play Romeo and Juliet at Stratford in 1976.
13:38I said, do tell me you're still together.
13:41But the thought that you can be a part of people's lives just by doing your job.
13:48And we both, I think, prefer Shakespeare, not Shakespeare, theatre above everything else.
13:54And it's because of that direct contact.
13:57And I know, you know, performances have entered, not my own, other people's have entered my life.
14:02And yes, it's, but then with Lord of the Rings, kids come up to me and want to say hello.
14:10I say, look, I'm not Gandalf.
14:13No, no, they know that, just as I used to know when I went to see Father Christmas in Harrods,
14:18that it wasn't really Father Christmas, you know.
14:20He was a helper.
14:21He was a helper.
14:21Just a helper.
14:22The help is a represent, I represent the old wizard.
14:25Oh, you're loved by everyone.
14:27And I'm going back to represent him.
14:30More on that later.
14:31We'll come back to that one.
14:32Hold that thought.
14:33We'll come back.
14:33Well, look, the Christophers will be in cinemas from Friday.
14:37OK, still to come, Sandra is going to be telling us about her hilarious new play as she makes her
14:41UK theatre debut.
14:42And as Ian said, we're going to be talking about his return to New Zealand for the brand new Lord
14:47of the Rings film.
14:48Yes.
14:49But first, we're catching up with garden designer Chris Hull,
14:52who earlier on revealed the winner of this year's Pocket Garden Makeover Prize.
14:55And now it's time to see his epic transformation come to life.
15:07Lewis and Ricky longed for an outdoor space that would become a peaceful retreat to help manage both of their
15:13health challenges.
15:14With my mental health condition, it can sometimes get a bit much.
15:19So having that peace and quiet to myself is quite nice.
15:22It's just a really nice kind of refuge away.
15:24We're both not feeling well.
15:26So I've designed a balcony that will not only give them some privacy, but also bring nature to them.
15:32With Lewis and Ricky off on a much-needed breakaway, landscapers Monty and Joe are helping me turn my design
15:40into a reality.
15:42Starting with building a raised planter with integrated seating to create a meadow in the sky.
15:48Space is at a premium.
15:50So we're cutting all the long bits of timber downstairs on the ground floor,
15:53and then we're assembling the planters and the bench up here.
15:56Can I have another length of 2.4, please?
15:59Coming right up, buddy.
16:02Getting materials upstairs is no small task.
16:07Lewis and Ricky want to fit as many plants as possible into their 3m by 3m balcony without sacrificing space,
16:15which is why we're creating a living wall.
16:18I'll tell you what, that looks all right.
16:19It looks good, isn't it?
16:21The only thing is, it's a bit black at the minute, needs some greenery.
16:24I think it'll look a lot better with some plants in it, wouldn't it?
16:27What's great about this green wall is that it has 80 plants in all of this space,
16:31so you can really pack a lot of plants per square metre.
16:34All these beautiful sun-loving plants, like the sedum and the thyme here,
16:38it just adds a lot more interest.
16:40Look at that.
16:43What do you reckon, Joe?
16:45Ah, this glass.
16:46Beauty?
16:47Yeah, it's beautiful.
16:49The garden will be centred around this rather heavy water feature
16:53that's going to have the spout pouring out of the raised plants into it
16:57and it should look really, really nice
16:58and add a sense of calm to this, what is now a very hectic balcony.
17:04To give the planters a more natural appearance,
17:07I'm covering them with cedar shingle cladding.
17:11But there's a problem.
17:12Definitely made us instead of putting these on first.
17:15I've forgotten to plumb in the water feature
17:17and that means it'll need to come out.
17:21That's tight.
17:22Come on then, Joe, give me your hand.
17:25The water feature definitely isn't as east forward triangle
17:27as I was hoping.
17:29But it will be, in the end.
17:32Come on!
17:34Yes, Joe!
17:35Well done.
17:36Nice.
17:41To give the balcony some extra height and privacy,
17:44I'm adding a cornice kuso tree.
17:47Let's get you in your new home.
17:50Come on.
17:51And as more plants are bedded in around it,
17:54the balcony comes to life.
17:56I've chosen plants that can tolerate this really hot balcony.
18:01It's going to require less water.
18:03Hopefully, it will make Lewis and Ricky's life a little bit easier.
18:07Anything that I can do to take the load off for them
18:09is going to be a win.
18:12Fortunately, the water feature is now working.
18:15Oh, yeah.
18:19Feeling calmer already, aren't you?
18:21Absolutely.
18:24Which is good news, because Lewis and Ricky are on their way up
18:27to see their new garden for the first time.
18:30Are you ready to see your pocket garden makeover?
18:33After you.
18:35Oh, my goodness.
18:36Oh, wow.
18:37Wow.
18:39Oh, my God, it's beautiful.
18:41What was once an understated space is now a natural retreat,
18:47complete with colourful planting, a living wall
18:50and a calming water feature.
18:52This is going to be a real game changer for me,
18:55being able to actually get back into the garden
18:57and start doing more of what I love again.
18:59Do you think now it's going to give you even more reason
19:01to come out and sit out here?
19:02Oh, absolutely.
19:03I can see us using it all the time in the evenings.
19:05Cup of tea.
19:06It's going to have such a positive impact
19:08on the way that we live our lives
19:10with our various health conditions.
19:12It's going to be amazing, Chris.
19:16That has been one of the most challenging makeovers
19:18I've ever worked on,
19:20because we had to pack so much into such a tiny balcony.
19:23But it's going to make such a difference for Lewis and Ricky.
19:27It's going to give them that nature-filled sanctuary
19:29that they really, really wanted.
19:31What a result.
19:33Oh, a huge thanks to Chris.
19:35And we do hope that Lewis and Ricky
19:37are enjoying their new balcony.
19:39Yeah, it looked lovely.
19:40Really, really did.
19:41That's a rose out there.
19:42Very nice.
19:43I can imagine.
19:44And if you're looking for more gardening inspiration,
19:46make sure you tune in next Monday
19:48when we'll be at the Chelsea Flower Show,
19:50where we'll have a very special announcement
19:52as part of the One Show's 20th anniversary.
19:55Can't wait for that.
19:57Now, as we mentioned earlier,
19:58we've got something else very special now,
20:00because in a One Show exclusive,
20:02you are about to hear a very famous bear speak for the first time.
20:06Yeah.
20:07Today sees the launch of a new BBC Children in Need campaign
20:10to mark Mental Health Awareness Week,
20:12giving adults across the UK the tools and resources
20:15to encourage them to have positive conversations
20:17about mental health with the children in their lives.
20:20Having a trusted adult to talk to about their worries
20:23is more important than ever,
20:25and that's why Pudsey is doing something he's never done before.
20:29Now, this is the moment Pudsey finds his voice.
20:47Oh, I mean, it's such a brilliant idea as well,
21:00and you can head to the Children in Need website
21:02to find support and resources
21:04to help you have positive conversations
21:06with children around their feelings and mental health.
21:08That is all at bbc.co.uk forward slash Pudsey.
21:12Right.
21:13We are going to head to the theatre now with Sandra,
21:15who is about to make a UK stage debut
21:18in the comedy classic The Miss Anthrope.
21:20Yes, it was written by the playwright Moliere,
21:24who is often known as the French Shakespeare,
21:26and it's kept audiences laughing for hundreds of years.
21:29Now Sandra is starring as author Alice
21:31in a very witty modern-day version.
21:35Sandra, Alice's brutal honesty,
21:38I mean, it can get her into a bit of trouble at points, right?
21:42Yes, I think that's a big part of the play.
21:44Yeah.
21:45Is Alice speaking her mind
21:48really, really is the thrust of the play,
21:51and it also gets her into trouble.
21:53But just to your point,
21:55you know classically The Miss Anthrope by Moliere.
21:58Ours is an adaptation written by Martin Krimp,
22:01and it's actually, I think it's maybe his third adaptation.
22:03Yeah.
22:04What's special about this one
22:05is that the genders are reversed.
22:08Yeah.
22:08So usually Alsace is a man,
22:10but now it's Alice playing,
22:13I'm playing her as a woman.
22:16So that's a real interesting take on it.
22:18I'm not exactly sure
22:19because we're only in the second week of rehearsal.
22:22And so how that will kind of translate
22:25in a larger sense,
22:27I'm not exactly sure,
22:28but it's a great thrill.
22:30I was going to say,
22:30how fun is Alice to play though?
22:33Because I mean,
22:33very rarely do you get to play a character
22:35where you can, you know,
22:36describe and say exactly how you,
22:38say what you mean exactly.
22:41Yes, I think I also have been very fortunate
22:44of playing very strong female characters.
22:47Absolutely.
22:48But this part, you know,
22:49what Alice is kind of pointing to
22:52with all the rage that I think many of us have,
22:56it's a great opportunity
22:57to kind of be a truth teller
23:01that gets her into trouble,
23:02but a real truth teller.
23:05It's, you know,
23:07it's right now I'm finding my way,
23:11but I can't wait to, you know,
23:12get up on stage.
23:14Yeah.
23:14And you just said
23:15you've just started rehearsals.
23:16Yes, yes.
23:17Going well so far?
23:19So far.
23:22I want to ask you.
23:23It's going to be brilliant.
23:24Yeah, I want to ask you.
23:26Forget it.
23:27It's going to be brilliant.
23:29I'm going to be there watching.
23:30Oh my gosh,
23:31that'd be great.
23:32That'd be great.
23:32There is a section,
23:34you know what I mean?
23:34There's something that I want,
23:36I love being an actor
23:37and the process of also being in rehearsal.
23:41It's such a sacred space.
23:43You really get to try things.
23:45That's the time
23:46that you are really exercising your instinct
23:48and who you are
23:50to the utmost.
23:51That's what the play is demanding.
23:53But it's also a place
23:54where it feels terrible
23:55because you're trying things
23:58for the first time
23:59and you're just standing there.
24:01It probably doesn't happen to you.
24:03You're standing there
24:04and you're like,
24:04I don't know how to move my arms.
24:06Or it's like,
24:07I just have egg on my face.
24:09Or I'm looking at someone
24:10and I completely go blank.
24:12But these are the things
24:13that you kind of have to go through
24:14to craft the play
24:16and craft a character.
24:17I was going to say,
24:18what was the question necessarily?
24:19Did you have a question for Ian?
24:21Meaning, is that the same process for you?
24:25That no matter what,
24:27there is like a blank, dark hole
24:31that you go through in rehearsal.
24:34I've never done a play
24:35that I didn't think
24:37somewhere during the rehearsals
24:38I shouldn't be doing this play.
24:40Yes, good, good.
24:40I'm never, ever going to get that.
24:43And can I just tell you,
24:45I once called up
24:47the man running
24:48the National Theatre
24:48at the time, Peter Hall.
24:49I was doing a new adaptation
24:51of a Chekhov play
24:53and I couldn't get it,
24:55I couldn't get it,
24:56I couldn't get it.
24:57And I called up
24:58the director of the theatre
24:59and said,
25:00this play must not open.
25:02It's not fit to be seen.
25:03I'm dreadful
25:04and it won't work.
25:05He said,
25:06just give it a couple of shows
25:07and we'll talk about it.
25:09I went out that night
25:10and met an audience
25:11and with my first line
25:12I got a laugh.
25:14Oh, it's a comedy.
25:19Which one?
25:20So, what?
25:22It was called, um...
25:25Oh, it was another adaptation.
25:27Wild Honey.
25:28Oh, Wild Honey.
25:29But if you're doing this comedy,
25:31my advice would be
25:32forget that it's funny.
25:34I...
25:36I think it's not.
25:37I feel like that same way.
25:38I feel that there is
25:40a great, beautiful,
25:42terrible, truthful pain in it.
25:45And it's funny.
25:46And it's funny.
25:47But that's...
25:47We often laugh
25:48at other people's discomfort,
25:50don't we?
25:51Yeah.
25:52This is like gold dust.
25:54That was...
25:54Thank you so much
25:55for allowing us
25:55to be a part of that conversation.
25:56That was honestly...
25:57That was really, really nice.
25:57Do you know this is on the television,
25:59not the podcast?
26:00Yeah, that was brilliant.
26:01That was absolutely brilliant.
26:01We like how relaxed you are.
26:03Yeah.
26:03Well, you can see,
26:05Sandra,
26:06in the misanthrope
26:06at the National Theatre
26:08in London
26:08from the 16th of June.
26:10Yes.
26:10OK, now we have to talk
26:12about the return
26:13of Gandalf.
26:15Oh.
26:15Dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee.
26:18Oh, I can't wait.
26:19Dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee.
26:20Pick your chord.
26:21Did you know that chord?
26:21Quick, quick.
26:22I went to the Albert Hall
26:24on Saturday
26:25and watched
26:26the Fellowship of the Rings,
26:27the first Lord of the Rings,
26:28on the big screen
26:29with an orchestra
26:31of 100 people
26:32and 200 people singing.
26:34Amazing.
26:35Thrilling.
26:36Gosh.
26:36So, you're heading
26:37back to New Zealand?
26:38I am.
26:39And you asked me
26:40am I excited about it.
26:41No, I am not.
26:42Because I'm heading
26:42back to New Zealand
26:43in the middle
26:44of their winter.
26:45Oh.
26:46Windy Wellington.
26:47Oh.
26:48Yes.
26:49Oh.
26:50But it's still beautiful.
26:52What?
26:52Still beautiful.
26:53It is beautiful.
26:54And a new film,
26:55people will be so excited.
26:56I mean,
26:57Roman is beside himself.
26:58Yeah.
26:58Yeah, I can't wait.
26:59I mean, did you...
26:59I am too.
27:00I was going to say
27:00the three people...
27:01Were you brought up on the...
27:02I was brought up
27:03on the films, of course.
27:04And did you think
27:04for yourself,
27:06like, that was it
27:07after that kind of
27:08third chapter,
27:08and then obviously
27:09through the Hobbit films
27:10as well,
27:11did you think
27:11it was going to go again
27:12and come back?
27:13No, I didn't.
27:16But when they said,
27:17would you play it again,
27:17I...
27:19I couldn't bear
27:20anybody else
27:21playing Gandalf.
27:22Yeah.
27:24So it's on
27:25with the pointy hat
27:26and on with the long beard
27:27and, you know,
27:29just doing the rough voice.
27:30I thought it would
27:31all come back to me.
27:35And all the children
27:36think it's you anyway,
27:37so you have to.
27:38Yeah.
27:39Yes.
27:39Exactly that.
27:40Sandra,
27:40you were a fan
27:41of Gandalf as well?
27:43I don't want to.
27:44Have I ever seen them?
27:44Have I ever seen them?
27:46I just didn't want
27:46a fangirl over you.
27:48I cannot tell you
27:50how much I love
27:51The Lord of the Rings
27:52and not...
27:53Okay, I'm going to
27:53tell you a secret.
27:54It's not really a secret,
27:55but it's a secret
27:55because I'm telling it
27:56on television right now.
27:58I sometimes,
27:59just in my creative work,
28:00I like putting images
28:01up on my creative board.
28:05And your image
28:06is on my board this year.
28:08No.
28:09Yes, it is.
28:09It is.
28:10It's just meant
28:10so much to me.
28:12That character...
28:12What am I wearing,
28:13it is as cheeky, cheeky,
28:17but it is as Gandalf.
28:19Oh, right.
28:20Because I will say,
28:23in a story that has
28:24so much myth,
28:26I'd like to say that for me,
28:27when I saw that
28:28for the first time,
28:29I was in a difficult time
28:31in my life,
28:33and your character for me
28:35just helped me.
28:37Really, really helped me.
28:38And so sometimes
28:39I'll call on that character again.
28:42Oh, we let this friendship
28:43develop nicely over here.
28:45It's unbelievable.
28:46Unfortunately,
28:46I'm so sorry.
28:48That's it for tonight.
28:49Thank you so much,
28:49Sassandra and Ian,
28:50for joining us.
28:51We will be back tomorrow
28:52with Mel Gedroch,
28:53Louis Saunders,
28:54loads of other people.
28:55Yeah, loads of people.
28:56See you there.
28:56We're just going to
28:57keep on talking here.
28:58Yeah.