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The One Show - Season Episode 96
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00:12Hello and welcome to the One Show Live on BBC One and iPlayer with Clara Ampo.
00:17And Angelica Bell. Lots to look forward to in the next half an hour,
00:20including the glorious Dawn French and Michael Ball right on our green sofas.
00:24And also we are celebrating football legend George Best.
00:28And Matt, as always, is on the ball with your Wednesday Watchdog.
00:31Oh, yes. If you are tempted to sell your valuables online for a bit of extra cash,
00:37keep watching because we've heard from some customers of a company who have been disappointed by offers.
00:42And in some cases, when they've asked for their stuff back, their jewellery has gone missing.
00:47Plus, if you've ever tried to bag concert tickets for your favourite artist,
00:52only to see them on resale sites for triple the price,
00:55well, we've got important information following last week's King's speech in Parliament.
01:01Yes, that's coming up in just a moment.
01:03Also, as we mentioned, we're joined by a comedy great who's been making audiences laugh
01:09in shows like The Vicar of Dibley and French and Saunders.
01:12But tonight we'll be seeing a different side of Dawn French as she talks about facing her fears
01:16of growing old for her deeply funny and very emotional new novel.
01:20And someone else who is entering a whole new chapter is West End star Michael Ball,
01:25who, after 40 years in the music industry, has just recorded his first album of original songs.
01:31And he's going to be telling us how he was inspired by the likes of Barbra Streisand,
01:36Neil Diamond and even the legend that is Claudia Winkleman for his new album.
01:40True stories.
01:42It is. And it's a big week for football fans.
01:44Romans on cloud nine after Arsenal won the league last night.
01:47Right. Aston Villa are in a European Cup final tonight.
01:50And this Friday would have been the 80th birthday of footballing legend George Best.
01:55Later on, we catch up with his son Callum as he returns to East Belfast
01:59and the house George grew up in where fans can actually stay the night.
02:03So, as you can see, lots lined up.
02:05But first, we are starting with Matt and those missing valuables.
02:09Online company Vintage Cash Cow claims to offer a hassle-free way of valuing jewellery.
02:16You post it to the company for free.
02:18But if the items subsequently go missing, that could come at a cost.
02:24Some of us will have family heirlooms, which we've decided would be more beneficial if they were turned into cash.
02:31One company you might think about using is Vintage Cash Cow.
02:34But we've heard from some customers who say that when they sent their items in,
02:38the offers that they received were far lower than expected.
02:43And when the items were sent back to them, they either arrived broken or they didn't arrive at all.
02:49Vintage Cash Cow claims to be the number one online platform for selling pre-loved items in bulk.
02:56To get a valuation, customers send their stuff via a courier.
03:00If you don't accept the valuation, it'll return your goods.
03:04This convinced Lynn from Tamworth to send around 150 items in October last year,
03:10including watches and jewellery that belonged to her parents.
03:13Did you have a figure in your mind for what it might be worth?
03:17Five to a thousand.
03:18Split it between my grandchildren.
03:21My mum would have left that.
03:22They offered me a ridiculous sum of £140.
03:26So £140, you thought, no go.
03:29No go.
03:29So I said, I reject the offer.
03:32Can I have my stuff back?
03:33Two months later, a box was returned.
03:36But when Lynn opened it, she thinks around 20 of her items were missing.
03:42There was two watches.
03:42One was an Amiga that belonged to my mum.
03:45They never come back.
03:47What was it like opening that box?
03:48I cried.
03:50Watchdog sent expert valuer Richard Taylor photos of Lynn's items.
03:55And he thinks that the silver watch alone could have been worth up to £1,600.
04:01I regret the day that I did it.
04:03I shouldn't have done it.
04:04We've discovered dozens of other people complaining about their items going missing or being lost.
04:11Back in February, Beverly from Dorset sent off items, including a ring from her late mother,
04:17and a Claude Valentini watch, which had belonged to her late husband.
04:21Beverly, I imagine it's quite difficult to get rid of some of those things.
04:25You must have really needed to do it.
04:27I did, yeah.
04:27I found myself out of work and struggling to pay my bills.
04:30Doing that was going to allow me to catch up a little bit.
04:33Our expert Richard estimated they could be worth around £300.
04:38However, Vintage Cash Cow offered just £20, which Beverly rejected.
04:43But the return boxes didn't contain what she was expecting.
04:47I opened the red ring box and I thought, oh, that's empty.
04:49And then I picked up the Claude Valentino box and the box was empty.
04:53I had no watch in it.
04:54When Beverly complained to Vintage Cash Cow, it claimed it had never received her missing items to begin with
05:01and didn't offer any compensation.
05:04I'm angry and I'm really upset.
05:06We've also heard from Sue from Essex, who sent seven items in October 2024, including watches and a necklace.
05:13But when she rejected the offer, the items that were returned weren't even hers.
05:19Despite Vintage Cash Cow admitting to losing her parcel, Sue was offered just £50 in compensation.
05:26And yet our valuer gave the items an estimated value of around £800.
05:32Vintage Cash Cow advertises itself as safe and insured.
05:37But if you have a closer look at the terms and conditions, you'll see that they only insure up to
05:42£300 as standard.
05:45Customers can ask the company to increase their insurance coverage.
05:49But legal expert Jasper Griegsen says that Vintage Cash Cow should be paying out the value of the items.
05:56The law that governs responsibility when somebody is in possession of goods is the law of bailment.
06:01It means that when you are in possession of somebody else's property, you owe extra responsibilities to look after it.
06:08What should Vintage Cash Cow be doing?
06:11They should be compensating in full for the value of the things that have gone missing. End of.
06:16How can you protect yourself?
06:17I will get full insurance cover. The scope for things going wrong is huge.
06:22When we wrote to Vintage Cash Cow, it told us that 300,000 customers have trusted the company with over
06:29a million boxes
06:30and that it holds an excellent rating of 4.4 out of 5 from over 30,000 Trustpilot reviews.
06:37It said it recognises the importance of every box and continues to improve its service,
06:42adding that enhanced insurance of up to £10,000 is available on request at no additional cost.
06:49Finally, we were told that issues of this nature are extremely rare,
06:53but Vintage Cash Cow has contacted Lynn and Sue to make things right.
06:58Vintage Cash Cow. People trust you with their valuable items,
07:02either to give them a valuation they can accept or return those things safely.
07:09Matt, do you know what? It's really frustrating when something that's supposed to make your life easier
07:13ends up making it harder.
07:15You're absolutely right. And of course, when frustration strikes, that's when you need us on your side.
07:21If you've been let down by a recent purchase or company, we want to hear about it.
07:25Get in touch. Watchdog at bbc.co.uk or tag us on socials at BBC Watchdog.
07:32Something that we've investigated a lot on Watchdog is tickets for high demand music gigs
07:37being bought and then resold at hugely inflated prices through secondary selling sites.
07:43Just last November, Nicky spoke to Peter Kyle, the Secretary of State for Business and Trade,
07:49to ask what he was going to do about it.
07:52Technology is emerging so fast and the way that people transact and they buy and they sell tickets
07:58has changed so much over the last decade. We've got to make sure the law keeps up with it.
08:02The coverage that you have done, the campaigning that you've done here at Watchdog
08:06has shown a line exactly on where things have gone wrong.
08:08Yeah, we've done our bit. So is the government doing its bit?
08:12Peter Kyle also told us about new measures the government was planning to bring in
08:17to stop the touts and make the system fairer for millions.
08:21It included a resale limit on numbers and a price cap.
08:25OK, so has there been any progress?
08:27Well, in last week's King's Speech, the legislation aiming to clamp down on ticket touts
08:32was only included as a draft bill.
08:34Well, that means we're unlikely to see progress on changes in the law until at least next year.
08:40In fact, there is no guarantee that it's going to happen at all.
08:43But that's not the progress that was expected.
08:45So what has the government actually said?
08:48OK, the Department for Business and Trade told us it intends to publish a draft bill
08:52as soon as possible to ensure it can provide the right support to the live events sector
08:58and help people keep more of their hard-earned cash.
09:00We asked for clarification on what as soon as possible means.
09:05It declined to comment.
09:06In the meantime, Watchdog viewers have continued to share their frustrations.
09:11Clara, Jennifer, Northamptonshire.
09:13So Jennifer says she tried to buy tickets for her granddaughter to see Sky Newman.
09:18Great taste.
09:18Jennifer's granddaughter, she's a wonderful artist.
09:20These tickets range between £40 and £60.
09:24The family joined the pre-sale queue online, but when they reached the front of it,
09:28all the seated tickets had sold out.
09:31So then Jennifer checked on the resale site via GoGo
09:33and she says she spotted seated tickets for the same concert on sale for £244.
09:41Jennifer.
09:42Oh, unsurprisingly, she's not happy.
09:45I just felt so frustrated and so infuriated, really, for everybody that they can get away with this
09:55and there is nothing we can do about it.
09:59Angelica, Callum is feeling low in the Highlands.
10:02Is that right?
10:03He certainly is.
10:04He was desperate to see Olivia Rodrigo live.
10:07He got access to the pre-sale earlier this month, but by the time it was his turn,
10:11the tickets he wanted were already sold out.
10:14He then checked on ticket site StubHub, where the cheapest tickets ranged between £200 to £300,
10:21triple the price of the general sale tickets.
10:24Callum needs his Rodrigo time.
10:27Have a look at this.
10:28Fans miss out.
10:29Genuine fans.
10:31Pre-sale doesn't make a difference.
10:32There's still going to be tons on StubHub, ViaGoGo and so on.
10:37As well as it affects the venue too, there's going to be loads of empty seats.
10:41Hundreds.
10:42And it creates this FOMO and this anxiety around getting tickets.
10:46You shouldn't have to cancel your whole day just to get a ticket.
10:52Wow.
10:52I mean, understandably, Callum is feeling a way because this is a big problem.
10:56Lots of music fans are facing if they can't get their tickets from the primary seller, right?
11:00Yeah, absolutely.
11:01And we at Watchdog, like Callum, are also Olivia Rodrigo fans.
11:06So we had a look for ourselves on the resale sites.
11:08The cheapest tickets we found were £245.
11:12That's for a face value ticket of £85.
11:16Then we went to the most expensive tickets on offer for £2,256.
11:22The face value on those, £110.
11:25What a multiple.
11:26Yeah.
11:26Those are some big numbers.
11:28So what happened when you actually challenged ViaGoGo and StubHub?
11:31OK.
11:32ViaGoGo told us it's ready to work with the government on practical, pro-competitive reforms to create a better ticketing
11:39industry.
11:40It described itself as a marketplace where sellers set the price, but fans decide the ticket value that meets their
11:47budget and suggested that inflated ticket listing prices outside market demand are not likely to sell.
11:54It also said that prohibiting free market resale, as seen in Ireland, only leads to a surge in scams as
12:01consumers are pushed to channels without consumer protections.
12:04We also reached out to StubHub.
12:06We didn't get a response.
12:08Well, thank you, Matt.
12:09And I'm sure, as always, you'll be keeping a beady eye on that one.
12:13Well, still to come, Dawn French is going to be opening up about her most personal novel yet.
12:18And Michael Ball will be revealing why he finally plucked up the courage to release an album of original songs
12:24for the very first time.
12:25But first, in the week that the legendary footballer George Best would have turned 80, his son Callum is taking
12:32us to a quiet street in East Belfast, where his passion for football first began.
12:38No footballer has had more of an impact on Belfast than my dad, George Best.
12:43It's crazy to think that 21 years later, after my dad passed away, the legacy isn't fading.
12:49If anything, it's getting even stronger.
12:55And part of his legacy is the lasting impact he's had in putting his hometown on the map.
13:00At the heart of it all is 16 Byron Way in East Belfast, the house where my dad grew up.
13:05I visited here a few times as a child.
13:08Michelle?
13:08Callum?
13:09How are you?
13:09Yeah, I'm good.
13:10In 2012, the charity East Side Partnership restored the house to how it would have looked when my dad lived
13:15here as a kid, so that visitors can come and stay.
13:19What a trip down memory lane, huh?
13:22Yeah, amazing, isn't it?
13:24George Best is one of East Belfast's three heroes.
13:27And we've obviously done a retrofit and tried to preserve it as much as possible.
13:31You've nailed that feel, you know?
13:33I really like it.
13:34I think you guys have done an incredible job.
13:36Should we go up to George's room?
13:38Yeah, just...
13:42You know this room?
13:43Yeah.
13:43The room everybody wants to see and stay in.
13:46You know, it's not many times have something happened that is a first for me.
13:51But I've never actually sat down in here.
13:53I've never actually got on this bed.
13:54And everybody talks about it being, you know, a legendary experience and a real snapshot of cultural, you know, history.
14:03It's really nice people can come here and experience that as well.
14:05And I think that's really, really special.
14:08Visitors come here from all over the world, bringing a much-needed tourism boost to a historically disadvantaged part of
14:15Belfast.
14:16Warren Anderson is one of many local fans who visited and stayed the night.
14:21What was your experience like?
14:23Unbelievable.
14:24Nice.
14:25Surreal.
14:26I just couldn't believe it was here.
14:28Sleep in the same room.
14:29Yeah.
14:30Eat at the same table.
14:31Yeah.
14:32I'd just read half a look around the memorabilia, the letters that's in there.
14:37Just take in the whole experience.
14:43My dad's funeral and send-off was a beautiful thing.
14:46But I remember coming here and being quite traumatized on the day.
14:49I was quite lost and sad at the time.
14:53Sometimes it can be actually quite emotionally draining to come and experience all this.
14:57But for me, a big part of the role that I'm proud of is being able to share where he
15:02came from, what he did, you know, the roots that he came from in the Craigie estate in Belfast.
15:09Visitors often want to see the places that meant a lot to my dad.
15:12Welcome back to East Belfast.
15:13Thank you very much.
15:14Always a pleasure.
15:14You can follow a George Besh trail or tour around with a guide like Peter McCabe.
15:19Hey, brother.
15:21Well, this is the Craigie Green, and this is where your dad would have played with the Craigie Boys Club
15:25when he was pre-Manchester United.
15:28So this is where he came to the attention of Bob Bishop, the Manchester United scout.
15:33So he's the man that sent the famous telegram.
15:35Let me read it.
15:36I think I found you a genius.
15:37That's it, yes.
15:39He undoubtedly was a genius on the pitch, but being a father didn't always come as easily.
15:45It took me a bit to get to a place of kind of peace with losing my dad and the
15:51trials and tribulations that come with having a parent that was a drinker.
15:54But what I've learned is that when it comes to sharing his journey, I share what he wants.
15:59He wants to be remembered for the football, and that is majority of how this will be.
16:03And that's how it is for locals, too.
16:05A legend.
16:06And always will be a legend for us.
16:10My last stop on the George Best Trail was very special to him.
16:14He was a sucker for a sweet treat.
16:16And I know that my old man used to come here and enjoy your ice cream, and it's delicious.
16:21Thank you very much, and you're welcome anytime.
16:23I will be back.
16:24I hope so.
16:28I know my dad would be really proud, not only of the legacy he left on the football pitch, but
16:35what he brings to Beast Belfast.
16:37To many people, he was this iconic footballer, but to me, he was just dad.
16:43With his birthday coming up very soon, I'm a proud son, and happy birthday, Dad.
16:52What a truly gorgeous film, and I'm so happy that Callum can stay connected to his dad like that.
16:57So thank you, Callum.
16:58No, and I was lucky enough to play with George Best when we had celebrity football matches whilst I was
17:03at CBBC, and he was so lovely to me.
17:04And he signed my shirt, and I've still got it up in the wall.
17:08Love that, legendary stuff, truly part of footballing history.
17:11So again, Callum, thank you so much.
17:13Right then, it's time to welcome two people who are without a doubt working their way, I'm not going to
17:17say football, don't worry, into the entertainment history books.
17:21It is Michael Ball and Dawn French.
17:24Oh, that's nice.
17:25Very nice.
17:26Very nice.
17:27Now, on the subject of football, Dawn, you are a huge Plymouth Argyle fan.
17:31I am an Argyle fan, because my family are, but I'm not very good at noticing where we are in
17:37the league or naming plays, because I spent, oh yes, yes, I spent most of the time just looking at
17:43boys, frankly.
17:45That's why I went there, to be honest.
17:47My dad was a director of Plymouth Argyle.
17:49Really?
17:49Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:50Argyle!
17:51Come on, there we go!
17:53Yeah.
17:54Come and have a girl with the girl.
17:56It was all of that, yeah.
17:57I hated it.
17:58Sorry.
17:59But Michael, you grew up in Plymouth.
18:01Did you cross paths with Dawn in your school days?
18:03I used to see her in a boater, in your school uniform.
18:09Oh, I know.
18:09Yeah.
18:10I can't apologise enough.
18:11You look great.
18:12Thank you for lying.
18:13That's fabulous.
18:14Yeah.
18:15But we were, he was at the boys' school and I was at the girls' school.
18:19And I did, you know, sometimes wonder whether the paths would cross.
18:22And they did with you.
18:23They did, sometimes, yeah.
18:25Do you remember good bodies?
18:27Oh, my God, yeah, absolutely.
18:30Good bodies.
18:30So, good bodies was a cafe that we used to go to, right, to meet boys.
18:34But the way you handled it when you went there was to sit in your own table with your girlfriends.
18:39The boys are at the table and you ignore them.
18:42Totally.
18:42Buy one Coke, spend an hour, ignore them, don't even look at them.
18:47Then leave and be absolutely thrilled about it and come back next week to do the same thing.
18:51Ridiculous.
18:52I love it.
18:53I love all these connections.
18:54So good.
18:55Now, as Dawn said, she grew up in Plymouth and her new novel, Enough, is also set along the beautiful
19:01south coast.
19:01It's a heartwarming but emotional story with some difficult adult themes all about 68-year-old Etta who brings her
19:09family together to have an important discussion about her life.
19:13Now, Dawn, as we said, this book deals with adult themes.
19:16It does.
19:16And tell us why you wanted to write this story.
19:18Well, I think as I'm getting older, and I am 68, and I've written Etta as 68 also, partly because
19:26I'm lazy and because I didn't have to do any research then.
19:29I know the music, I know the politics.
19:31And partly because, controversially, I think Etta is a bit young to be making this decision that she makes.
19:37It's because Etta, at the beginning of the book, invites all of her family to come down to the beach.
19:42And she announced to them, as the sun is rising, that by sunset she won't be there anymore.
19:48And she's made a decision to excuse her kids from the difficult, prickly last part of life.
19:57And she has made this decision thinking that it's extremely selfless to do that.
20:02But the rest of the book is the argument of her family against this, because they only have 24 hours,
20:08as she's explained to them.
20:11And when I started to write this book, I, you know, listen, I'm getting older and I'm deciding not to
20:20be afraid of big themes and big scary stuff.
20:22Because the way to deal with big scary stuff is to write it with joy and to write it with
20:29humour, which I hope there's plenty of.
20:32I also feel a little bit of permission to write this theme because I am a child of suicide myself.
20:40You know, my dad took his life when I was 19.
20:41And I have lived with the various stages of grief about that for my whole life.
20:47This story, Etta's story, is very different to my dad's situation.
20:52But this is somebody electing to do this.
20:56So it's extremely morally questionable.
21:00You know, it's, you know, there was a time when suicide was a, was illegal.
21:06It's a sin.
21:07It's, you know, insurance doesn't pay out.
21:09There's so much shame around it.
21:11And in tribute to my dad, really, I just refused to have shame around this subject.
21:16You know, I think it's a thing we need to talk about.
21:19And so, really, when I started to write the book, I didn't know even what the ending was going to
21:24be.
21:25I thought, I'll write the arguments of all the characters and see if I can persuade me, Dawn, the writer,
21:31and Etta, my main character, away from her decision.
21:37But she's very decided.
21:39And the other thing is, you know, when, when you have decided something, if you're a bit of a control
21:43freak, no, I'm not.
21:46If you make a decision and you feel that you are absolutely right, I think it's very hard to climb
21:52down off that mountain.
21:54And this is something Etta needs to learn about.
21:56And now, of course, we all need to know what happens.
22:00I ain't telling yet.
22:01Well, this is it.
22:02I mean, and understandably, like, as you mentioned, it's a very upsetting and complex subject for a lot of people.
22:07Yes.
22:07But the book does end up being quite positive and life-affirming, would you say?
22:11Well, the whole of the book is a kind of, I set out to write a life-affirming book about
22:17end of life, if you like.
22:18So, lots of people learn lots of things during this book, I hope.
22:24And, you know, I'll wait to see what readers say to find out if I have written what I set
22:30out to write.
22:30It's a place, Turner.
22:31I mean, I started reading, I said to you.
22:33Yeah, you did.
22:34I've got early starts at the moment, but I've been staying up late.
22:37Have you?
22:38Yeah.
22:38Oh, thank you, Angelica.
22:39I appreciate that.
22:40No problem.
22:41And your listeners love you.
22:42And don't forget, Dawn's book, Enough, is out tomorrow.
22:45And if you're suffering distress or despair and need support, including urgent support,
22:51a list of organisations that can help is available at bbc.co.uk forward slash action line.
22:57Now, Dawn, last time you were here, you were chatting about your BBC comedy, Can You Keep a Secret?
23:02Yes.
23:02So dramatic.
23:03I always have to say it like that.
23:05With your co-star.
23:06Yes.
23:07Can you?
23:08Can you?
23:09Most of the time, I like to think so.
23:10Mark Keith.
23:11And, well, The Secret, I think, is out now.
23:13Yes.
23:13It's coming back.
23:14It's coming.
23:15We're having series two.
23:16I'm so pleased.
23:18I'm so pleased.
23:19Because I love this cast.
23:20You know, Mandip, Gill, and Craig Roberts, and Mark.
23:23And the writer, of course, you know, Simon Mayhew-Archett, who is the son of the co-writer
23:28of Vicar of Dibley.
23:29So I'm at that age now, Michael, where I'm working with the children of the people the
23:34first time, right?
23:35I know that.
23:35But I really loved making it.
23:37And luckily, you know, the audience seemed to like it.
23:40So off we go.
23:40Hurrah.
23:41Lovely, lovely.
23:42Hurrah.
23:43And last time, Michael was with us.
23:45This was just before Christmas.
23:46It was you on the sofa.
23:46It was Kylie.
23:47You were very busy telling us all about a very special album made up of entirely original
23:52songs.
23:53No pressure.
23:54Well, it's out this week.
23:56And before he tells us all about it, let's have a listen to his new single, Glow.
24:01Let them say, let them say what they want to.
24:05Because our love is enough to hold on to.
24:10They can't stop you and I.
24:12If they try, it's all right.
24:14There's a light and it's shining upon you.
24:18I see you glow.
24:20I like it.
24:21Yeah.
24:23Lovely, lovely, lovely.
24:25So Michael, you have released an incredible 23 solo albums.
24:29That's insane.
24:30Solo albums.
24:31But this is the first time it's an album entirely full of original music.
24:35So not to be on the spot, but what took you so long?
24:37I'm really lazy.
24:39OK.
24:39No, I think I made my name in the theatre.
24:43And so by nature of that, you're interpreting other people's words, other people's characters.
24:48Yeah.
24:49Then I started a recording career.
24:51Record companies say, oh, this would be a good song for you.
24:54And they created themes.
24:56So you found songs that had already been written, that other people had done.
25:00And so I became a cover artist.
25:02And gradually I would sneak in songs on some albums that I'd written.
25:07OK.
25:08And then the last album I did, I wrote six of the 12 or 14 tracks myself.
25:15And they went really well.
25:17But I'm thinking, oh, about this.
25:18But I'd written a lot with Amy Wodge.
25:21Oh!
25:21My...
25:22Yeah.
25:22Who writes with Ed Sheeran?
25:24She writes with Ed Sheeran.
25:25It was us last night.
25:26Yeah.
25:27Out for dinner.
25:27Look.
25:29And I'd just finished last year.
25:31I remember coming and telling you about it.
25:33We'd done an arena tour.
25:35We'd done the Les Mis world tour and all of that.
25:37And she said, right, you've got this time off.
25:40Let's write an album together.
25:41Let's do it.
25:42Let's produce it.
25:43Let's create something.
25:44It's time you did it.
25:45So you're just laying yourself out then?
25:47100%.
25:47How do you feel about that?
25:48Do you know what?
25:49It's the greatest thing I've ever done.
25:50Is it?
25:51If you're with someone, you know there's working with her indoors.
25:55Yeah.
25:55With Fatty.
25:56With Fatty Saunders.
25:58If you know someone that well, there's such a connection, you don't mind showing yourself
26:04up, being embarrassing.
26:05You know what's going to work.
26:07You know what doesn't.
26:08And you laugh.
26:10And you cry together.
26:12And we'd both been through hell of a year.
26:16And all of it can come out.
26:18And yeah, so the album is me.
26:22You know, there's a lot of fun on there.
26:24I hope I can be quite a good company.
26:27There's stuff where, you know, I tackle things that have happened to me and issues that I
26:33think others will resonate with, like you've done in your book.
26:37You know, you only write what you know and what you've experienced.
26:41And you think other people can.
26:43And I think that over the years, I've gained enough experience to know what works for me
26:50musically and helps me connect with an audience.
26:54It's a tough time these days for the music industry, you know.
26:58So it's hoping that it's not met with huge indifference and people don't bother listening.
27:03Because I'm really, really proud of it.
27:05Your fans love you.
27:07Yeah.
27:07And I love them.
27:09And so they can show their love by going to their music.
27:15Nice segue.
27:16We are going to give you a proper plug in a minute.
27:18Oh, thank you, darling.
27:19But is it true that Claudia Winkerman is behind Run The Song?
27:23Yeah, you find inspiration for songs all over the place.
27:27Yeah, I was sort of hoping I might have been.
27:29There is.
27:29There's a song in there called You.
27:33Every road I take leads back to you.
27:37OK.
27:38Kind of.
27:39But she had, on her radio show, you must have done it.
27:42They have this thing called Little Winds.
27:44Oh, yes.
27:45Where you'd go on and you'd say, what's the little thing that has happened that's just made your day better?
27:51So it's not about the big, extraordinary things.
27:55It's the little things.
27:56Driving to a place and finding a parking space.
27:59Yeah.
28:00You know, finding a, oh, wow, finding a fiver tucked into it.
28:05We've already checked.
28:06So this idea of Little Winds, I went, that's a great title for a song.
28:12And then thinking, where's that going to take me?
28:15What are the little winds in life?
28:16You know, walking down the street and someone just smiles at you for no reason.
28:21And it just makes your day bitter.
28:23So we've got to look for the little winds and let the big rubbish take care of themselves.
28:28I love having, we love it.
28:29You've made our job so easy tonight because we've just been sitting back and enjoying you.
28:33Oh, I do.
28:34And now we're running out of time.
28:35Of course we are.
28:36Here's another plug about Michael.
28:37His album, Glow, is out on Friday.
28:39Is it?
28:40It sure is.
28:41Am I going on tour?
28:42Are you on tour?
28:43Are you?
28:44Guess what?
28:44Tickets are available now.
28:46Sally, that's all we've got time for.
28:47Thank you so much to Michael and Dawn for joining us.
28:50Yes, Sally.
28:51What about Pantos?
28:52Come on, Pantos.
28:53You're in Pantos.
28:55What the hell?
28:56Hey, you're in Dawn.
28:58Quick.
28:58Ugly Sisters at the Palladium.
29:00There you go.
29:02You're on a mission.
29:04See you tomorrow.
29:06See you tomorrow.
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