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Seth and Sean discuss how they've heard from all the staples during OTAs, power rank the Texans they want to hear from most during training camp that they haven't heard from yet, and react to the Rockets legit bringing back the ketchup and mustard color scheme.
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00:00So, so far out at OTAs, we've heard from C.J. Stroud, Jalen Petrie, Amari Lasseter.
00:05We had Will Anderson, Jaden Higgins, Nico Collins a few days ago.
00:08We sprinkled some of that in, and we will continue to, some of the things those guys are saying.
00:13I was hoping to get more players yesterday.
00:14I like hearing from the coordinators, and we'll hear from a couple of them here in just a minute.
00:18But there are definitely some players that I need some podium time with, Seth, coming up here.
00:25Because there's things that I want to hear about with this team.
00:28And it seems like I just power-ranked mine here, and I did a list.
00:31And it seems like I didn't do this intentionally.
00:35Like, it seems like a lot of it's on the offensive side of the ball, the guys I'm looking to
00:38hear from.
00:39Because that's the side that is in the biggest need of repair right now, is the offensive side of the
00:46ball.
00:47My number one is I want to hear from Tank Dell.
00:49Especially after yesterday, when he worked his way back onto the practice field.
00:54If you missed it, Tank Dell did some walk-through half-speed stuff yesterday, which is more than we've seen
01:00him do in the last 18 months combined.
01:03Yeah, I wonder with that, I think everything the team has done so far, it seems like they're being really
01:09careful not to put any pressure on him.
01:12But then also especially maybe, I would imagine they're trying not to do anything that he might perceive as pressure.
01:21And that you've got to really just try to be as conservative as possible.
01:25There's no reason to be in a hurry for anything right now.
01:28And I almost feel like anything that might feel like pressure to Tank Dell, even positive pressure, you know, people
01:34excited to see him or anything, that they're probably...
01:40I would not bet on him being available at the podium this week, this coming week.
01:45This coming week, yeah.
01:46I guess we should lay that out for people.
01:48The Texans are done with OTAs.
01:50Yesterday was the last OTA session.
01:52And they have scheduled three minicamp mandatory minicamp practices.
01:58Mandatory.
01:58Mandatory.
01:59Now, the only veterans I think that missed yesterday were Daniil Hunter and Sheldon Rankins.
02:03I think that was it.
02:04In terms of guys that just weren't there at all.
02:07There were plenty of guys that didn't practice because of various little bumps and bruises.
02:10But as far as guys that weren't at the facility yesterday, I think it was just those two, if I'm
02:15not mistaken.
02:16So they're scheduled for three.
02:18Anyway, if history is any indicator, there'll probably be two, and then they'll give them the last one off.
02:25So we'll definitely get some podium time with some people, I would think, Tuesday and Wednesday of next week.
02:32And that's what you're kind of referring to, Seth.
02:33You think that even putting Tank Dell in front of the media would be something that would at least have
02:39some modicum of pressure that would come with it.
02:41Yeah, or just get railed.
02:43It makes sense.
02:44And, you know, in the way Nick talked about it the other day, it sounded a little bit like what
02:48you would expect, which is, man, the Tank really wants to get out there.
02:52And the team has to kind of tell him, like, all right, man, we appreciate it.
02:57We know, be really careful and go step-by-step on this.
02:59So that anything to maybe fuel his enthusiasm, even, they're trying to avoid.
03:05I totally agree with what you're saying, and I agree with your prediction as well.
03:09There will probably be three players at each practice next week.
03:12I think even if they had all three practices, Tank probably wouldn't be one of them, let alone two.
03:17So I agree with you on that.
03:19But aren't you super curious to hear from Tank?
03:22I mean, we haven't heard from him in 18 months.
03:25He's been on a podcast here or there.
03:27I think he was on somebody, some gaming streamer or something he was on during that.
03:31It hasn't been yet.
03:32Not an official sit-down, like, tell us exactly what your plans for the future are.
03:36Right, right, where he gets, like, real media questions about what's it been like.
03:39Like, you know, I'm curious, like, not that I want him to relive this, but I'm genuinely, as a human,
03:46I'm curious, like, what were the darkest moments like through this whole thing?
03:50I mean, that was a major injury.
03:53And I guess until we see him play football again, I guess we could say is, you know, until we
03:58see him play football, you know, who knows, you know, how he feels or how much of the old Tank
04:05is back.
04:06So he's number one on my list, and I don't think I'm going to get satisfaction, to your point.
04:10Right, right, right.
04:11Yeah, you're going to get it in dotes, in doses.
04:15Yep.
04:16And I'll tell you what, just from just looking at numbers and everything, like on my YouTube, anything with Tank
04:20Dell on it, it pops.
04:22Yeah, people like Tank.
04:23People are eagerly anticipating the return of Tank Dell.
04:26That's why he's number one on my list for me.
04:28He also has, I've got to tell his parents this and compliment them when I see them next, is that
04:32he's got a very photogenic face, and I think a thumbnail with a Tank Dell face.
04:37Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:39So good job, Mr. and Mrs. Dell, on the genetics there.
04:43Good job on the genetics.
04:44Number two on my list, and this is somebody that you and I, off the air, I think, the last
04:48few days, said, oh, I hope this guy's at the podium today.
04:51Because we've seen some interviews with him, and he's new, and he's been really good in the interviews, and I
04:57love his energy.
04:58And it's David Montgomery running back.
05:00Yeah.
05:01I want to hear from him.
05:02Yeah, he's an interesting guy.
05:03Like, he's a good interview.
05:04And I think the big thing, too, is it's, I've seen people wonder, okay, what's it going to be like,
05:12the dynamic with him and Woody Marks?
05:13Because in Detroit, it seemed to be that he was frustrated with Jameer Gibbs taking the driver's seat in that
05:22running back duo room.
05:24I mean, nothing he's said so far suggests that he has any issue at all with a two running back
05:29room.
05:30When he was on NFL Network or ESPN, I can't keep track of which is which anymore, about a month
05:37ago, you know, he very much, he talked about Woody Marks and how much he's looking forward to playing with
05:41him.
05:42And then he also brought up Jawar Jordan and British Brooks and others.
05:46I think it's more of a matter of last year, it was almost a deliberate pushback or tamping down of
05:56his touches in comparison to Jameer Gibbs.
05:58And I don't think it's going to be that way with Woody Marks and David Montgomery because there's more of
06:03a clear distinction there.
06:05Jameer Gibbs is a –
06:07He's elite.
06:07He's elite and he's a bigger – a little bit bigger than Woody Marks.
06:11And it's just – it's a different dynamic where I think it's more clear cut here that, man, Woody's real
06:17value could be in certain situations in the run game, but also his threat as a receiver.
06:22I think David Montgomery is more of a threat as a receiver than people realize, and the Texans might lean
06:28into that.
06:28But it's going to be more of a traditional David Montgomery is your first and second down back.
06:33And then it's a – and then it's – anybody's guess on third down.
06:37I'm guessing it's all about pecking order with him.
06:39And he got pushed to the back of the pecking order in Detroit, and here he's at the front of
06:43the line.
06:43Yeah.
06:44And that's it.
06:44And that's – it's as simple as that.
06:46Here was Nick Kaley yesterday on David Montgomery's impact so far.
06:50It's been great.
06:51I mean, he loves football.
06:52He's very serious.
06:53He's a true pro.
06:54I've admired him, again, for a long time, dating back to when he was at Iowa State.
06:57He's a Cincinnati guy.
06:59But he's tough.
07:01He embodies everything that we want culturally here with our team and with our offense.
07:05Comes to work every single day.
07:07I'm really, really happy that he's a part of our team.
07:09And he's made an impact.
07:10You can feel him, you know, and he goes about his business the right way every single day.
07:14It's been great.
07:15Really, really, really happy he's in addition to our team.
07:17He's one of their most important players right now just because if something happens to him,
07:21then you're back with your same situation you had last year over the second half of the season.
07:26Right.
07:26You know, you've got to lean on Woody Marks again.
07:28And I don't know that Woody's suited for that.
07:30If you look at the running back room right now, you know, if you take the rookies out of it,
07:34because who knows what happens with, you know, Pitsenberger or Noah Whittington more likely.
07:39Yep.
07:39But if you look at the veterans in the running back room right now, British Brooks, it's anybody's guess
07:45exactly even what position they really want to use him at.
07:49And Jawar Jordan, like, you can only put him out there for so many carries per game.
07:54He's 185 pounds.
07:55So, yeah, his health, his availability, his effectiveness, it's a huge X factor for the team this year.
08:06If you go back to Montgomery's second year in the league, he actually had, where did it go?
08:12He had 54 receptions that year.
08:13Okay.
08:1459 receptions.
08:15No, wait.
08:15Sorry about that.
08:18What the?
08:1854.
08:2054.
08:20Okay.
08:21That was with the Bears, right?
08:22Yeah.
08:23What year was that?
08:24That was 2020.
08:25Okay.
08:26But, like, I don't think all of a sudden he's going to turn into a 50-reception guy.
08:30But I think he does, because the Lions have had Jameer Gibbs as that option and that threat,
08:36they haven't really had to lean into that or anything.
08:39And he still gets 20, 30, 36 receptions in a year.
08:43But that is, I think people love the Sonic and Knuckles duo and the imagery of that enough
08:50that you think of David Montgomery as a guy that's just in there mashing it and breaking
08:54tackles up the middle.
08:55But he's good in space.
08:56Well, it was funny, too.
08:57Kaylee had an answer to it in his press conference yesterday.
09:00And actually, I think we're going to play it here.
09:02You know what?
09:02I'll save it.
09:03I think we're going to play it when we get to Dalton Schultz.
09:04But it had people perk up their ears because it had something to do with running backs.
09:08We'll save it.
09:09Yeah.
09:09I'll continue with this list.
09:10So, yeah, these are guys I'm hoping to hear from at training camp next week that we haven't
09:15heard from yet.
09:15Tankdale, one.
09:16Montgomery, two.
09:17Reed Blankenship's number three for me, in part because I've thought this offseason,
09:21he's the acquisition.
09:23Even with all the stuff that's going on offensively and all the stuff, the work they've put in
09:27to try to revamp this offensive line and trade for David Montgomery and revamp the tight end
09:33room as well, the idea of the Benson football shoring up one of its very few weak spots
09:41with a really good player in Reed Blankenship intrigues me.
09:44I've also seen interviews with him in the offseason where that intrigues me.
09:48I like his energy.
09:49Like, he's somebody who is still almost, it felt like when he signed here, was almost pinching himself.
09:54Like, I can't believe a defense this good wants me to be the safety for them.
09:57They were interested in me?
09:59Yeah, yeah.
09:59Yeah, they were pulling the old Molly Ringwald when Jake's looking at her and he's, yeah.
10:06She's like looking over her shoulder?
10:07She turns around to see if she's, and she was at her house, which would have been like,
10:10what, no, no, what, your dad?
10:11Can you imagine?
10:12He's like, no, your hot sister.
10:14Yeah.
10:14It's getting married.
10:15Yeah.
10:16Not you.
10:17Your drugged up sister.
10:18That's who I want.
10:19She was drugged up, yes.
10:21Yeah, there's nobody else there that she could have been at this great moment.
10:24So anyway, no, with Blankenship, yeah, I do.
10:28You, I'm really intrigued by what this secondary can do to look even better than they already did
10:35because you forget.
10:37I have to explain to people outside of Houston all the time that 20% of their secondary last
10:42year was an egg profile.
10:45It was just some guy.
10:47It was an NPC, you know?
10:49It was whoever was shuffling in there.
10:52You know what it was?
10:52It was, it was, it was Lamont Wade, the five hole hitter for the Astros last night.
10:57Like, yeah.
10:58It's the best secondary in the sport.
11:00Yep.
11:01Wow.
11:01That must be five incredible guys.
11:03No, it was four incredible guys and one random dude.
11:06Every time.
11:06At any given time.
11:07Could be anybody.
11:08Yes.
11:09Here's, uh, here's Matt Burke, the defensive coordinator for the Texans on Reed Blankenship.
11:14From a starting point, just, uh, the intellect, like savviness, like, again, he's played a
11:20lot of ball, played a lot of big games, uh, obviously somewhat different scheme, but just
11:24like translating into how we play and stuff.
11:27I think it's been really cool to watch him just, um, like you, you watch out here.
11:31It's like, he's been here for four years with us the whole time.
11:33You know what I mean?
11:34It's just, it didn't take him long to really fit in the room.
11:36Just from a personality standpoint, he's all about ball.
11:39Um, but just from, uh, like he's got it.
11:43I mean, there's stuff that we were growing on and learning, but I mean, he picked things
11:46up really quickly and just, uh, I think his, you know, what you alluded to just sort of
11:50his, his history of playing and his experience allowed him to sort of like get into the groove
11:55pretty quickly.
11:56And like, it's been very seamless and, uh, excited to see him keep growing and get some,
12:00get some real time reps.
12:01This is going to be fun having another safety that knows what they're doing back there.
12:05Yeah.
12:05Well, if you think about that last year where, you know, at times the, the one thing that
12:11the coaches and the players will bring up is that they, they need to limit the number
12:15of explosive plays as awesome as they were.
12:17There were just a few too many times where they let up some explosive plays.
12:20And usually that's because of either a misalignment, a mental error, some kind of technique error.
12:25And when you've got one guy again, at a safety position, that's either, you know, when
12:30Kayvon Wallace had been on the team for like two weeks, you got Jalen Reed back there
12:33as a rookie, you got CJ Gardner Johnson, who's just doing whatever that, whatever the hell
12:37he wants to.
12:38MJ Stewart back there.
12:39At any particular play, right.
12:40Yeah.
12:41Um, you go from, instead of having somebody that sometimes you're going to have to be
12:44given instructions to right before the snap, you got another veteran who's actually picking
12:49up all the pre-snap keys and communicating them himself.
12:52Uh, so it's, uh, it's really, it's, it's, it's got, it's, you know, I, I don't want to
12:59do what we did the year that they had Stefan Diggs, Nico Collins, and Tank Dell, where you're
13:04looking at it on paper beforehand and you're saying, Oh wow, look at this.
13:07It's going to be amazing.
13:08Right.
13:08Yeah.
13:08Um, the difference here is that it's, you're not, you're integrating somebody new into a
13:15situation that was already really good, but it's not a position where you don't need
13:20your, you don't need one of your safeties to end up being, uh, an all pro or whatever
13:24the equivalent of a 1,000 yard, uh, receiver is.
13:27I would take it to coaching too.
13:28I think I just trust D'Amico Ryans and Matt Burke to know how to integrate it versus second
13:34year OC Bobby Slowick.
13:36Yeah.
13:37Yeah.
13:37Yeah.
13:37I think that's, that's, you know, D'Amico gives you confidence and stuff like that.
13:40He's a third year OC down there in Miami now.
13:43He is.
13:44Yeah.
13:44Yeah.
13:44Yeah.
13:45Well, I mean, first time with them, but third year of experience.
13:48Yep.
13:48Yep.
13:48So, uh, that should be interesting.
13:50Uh, so tank Dell, David Montgomery, Reed Blankenship.
13:53I've got a couple more.
13:54Wyatt Teller.
13:55I want to hear from Wyatt Teller.
13:57Yeah.
13:57We haven't really, uh, other than the initial phone call, we've seen some social media clips
14:02and everything, but other than that, you know, uh, how's it going so far?
14:06How's your wife and son enjoying this so far?
14:09And he's got a lot of personality, right?
14:11He's got ADHD and he's, he does not bashful about talking about it.
14:15Yeah.
14:15But so I don't think he'd be offended if I say that.
14:18Yeah.
14:18He talks like he's got ADHD.
14:20Awesome.
14:21He's going to tell you seven different things in one sentence.
14:24Um, and they're all interesting.
14:26Yeah.
14:27I really, I, I, I look forward to hopefully him being part of an improved offensive line
14:32and him being able to talk about that and everything that goes into it.
14:35Cause he's, he's an interesting person.
14:38We played a clip yesterday that somebody, it might've been D'Amico.
14:42I forget who it was, but somebody was talking about audio that we played of Wyatt Teller.
14:48It might've been Will Anderson.
14:49I think of like Wyatt Teller, you know, getting, helping the offense get lined up.
14:55You know, yeah, no, uh, it was, um, it was, uh, it was Anderson talking about that,
15:01but also picking up games and that's where I got, uh, I got, I got all perky.
15:05Yeah.
15:05I started sweating.
15:07Yeah.
15:07I was like, oh, you mean like, yeah, you mean like they're, they're picking up games better
15:11than high school kids.
15:12Holy crap.
15:13It's this time of year.
15:14Right.
15:15Last year, it took them until about week eight before they started playing as smart as high
15:18school kids.
15:19This is new.
15:20They could be smarter than high school kids all in June.
15:23Yeah.
15:24Uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, uh, that would be nice if they picked up some games in the
15:30preseason, you know, if they, if they were able to do that.
15:33So I'm Wyatt Teller, number four on my list.
15:35Um, last one before I got some honorable mentions, Dalton Schultz, I want to hear from somebody
15:40in this newfangled tight end room.
15:42And I want to hear him say dude several times.
15:44Yeah.
15:44I want to hear some bros.
15:45I want to hear some dudes.
15:47Uh, I want to hear, um, him gush about CJ Stroud and I'm, which I'm sure he will.
15:52I want to hear him gush about his new teammates in that tight end room.
15:56Uh, was it, I want to hear from, was Foster Moreau the one we thought that sounded like
16:00a coach already?
16:01Yes.
16:02Or a, because he said, like a media member, they asked him what he felt about, uh, Nick
16:06Kalin.
16:06He said, good, strong handshake.
16:08Yeah.
16:09It sounded like he was evaluating a player.
16:11That's right.
16:12That's right.
16:12Foster Moreau's guy.
16:14He was on Texans all access and, uh, there's some good clips of it.
16:18I, I, I thought the fact that Will Anderson brought up Foster Moreau, uh, was, was interesting
16:23also.
16:23I got excited about the veteran players that Will Anderson talked about.
16:27Yeah.
16:27And with Dalton Schultz, you know, Dalton was a huge advocate of Nick Kaley last year and
16:33with the way he coached and operated, you know, and I guess, yeah, especially when you've
16:38got a former tight ends coach running the offense, he probably, probably felt less neglected
16:43than tight ends sometimes feel by the offensive coordinators.
16:46But I think the important thing to remember with Dalton Schultz is he is, he's a better
16:51blocker and a more willing blocker than, than you want to believe.
16:56And part of it's been because of injuries the last couple of years.
16:58Um, I'm not saying he's a, you know, a great blocker or anything, but he's a very willing
17:02blocker.
17:03The, the concern I would have is just, man, he does, he plays through a lot of injuries,
17:07but that also means that he is getting injured a lot.
17:09Credit to him that he's playing through all of those injuries, but it's kind of a lot of
17:13kind of hampered some of the things he can and can't do maybe with the addition of Foster
17:16Moreau and others, then it won't be a, as much of an issue, but which we should bring
17:22up though, too, that Marlon Klein has been absent from, yeah, he was, he was out there
17:28yesterday, but he was not absent, but not playing.
17:30He was not practicing.
17:32And they signed a rookie undrafted free agent, Lewis Hanson.
17:36Yeah.
17:36Which I don't, I don't want to jump to conclusions there and tie those two exactly.
17:41There's going to be a lot of shuffling of undrafted rookie free agents, but, but, but I'm not
17:47saying it can't be related to Marlon Klein's injury.
17:49Yeah.
17:50It's, it's noteworthy.
17:51It was funny.
17:52Cody Stutes did his synopsis of, of practice yesterday.
17:56And I like Cody Stutes because it doesn't, it's like 11 bullet points and it's really, it's,
18:01it's, it's really easy to consume.
18:04But it was funny cause I, you know, I, I had it, I was reading it on my screen and
18:09I think
18:09it was in an email form.
18:10So I wasn't able to like zoom in and see the font a little bit bigger.
18:14So he said that Lewis Hanson was the fastest of the tight ends out there.
18:19And my eyes looked at it and I thought it said fattest of the tight ends.
18:24Yeah.
18:24I'm like, damn Cody.
18:24No, that's Blake Fisher.
18:26Yeah.
18:27Yes, exactly.
18:28Exactly.
18:29I'm like, damn Cody.
18:30I texted Cody.
18:31Okay.
18:32Without getting too draft nerdy, it is really interesting because I've been listening to
18:35various people since the draft talk about the tight end position.
18:38And, you know, more, more tight ends were drafted this year than since 2004 or something
18:43ridiculous.
18:44There's like nine that went within like 30 picks.
18:47Right.
18:47And I, and I do think a big part of it when, when you listen to people that actually understand
18:53football, the, what, you know, they're saying before you jump to conclusions or accuse teams
18:58of reaching for tight ends.
19:00Yeah.
19:00The league is evaluating tight ends differently and the, the blocking tight end and the, and
19:07and all of those things is probably coming back more into vogue because teams are going
19:11to be using more multiple tight end sets.
19:13So the way that the, the way the draft evaluators are ranking some of these tight ends might be
19:18based, based on standards from five years ago, more so than what the actual NFL teams
19:24right now are doing.
19:24And hence Marlon Klein goes with the 59th overall pick to the Texans.
19:28Yeah.
19:28Well, the Jaguars and the Texans have both been getting crushed for, I think probably just
19:32evaluating tight ends differently, really.
19:35Yeah.
19:35Um, then, then I, everybody else, uh, a glorified, uh, a gigantic slot receiver where no, I think
19:43the blocking tight end has more value right now than it did a few years ago.
19:47Here's Nick Cayley yesterday on the importance of tight end depth.
19:50Yeah.
19:51Well, I am a little bit biased there because my background with tight ends, but you know,
19:55you remember it is important.
19:56I think, I think you always want to be multiple and to nobody's fault last year, you know,
20:00we got thinned out pretty early with Brev prior to us ever getting to the, uh, to the season.
20:05Cade goes down in the fourth quarter of the Los Angeles Rams game for call it two thirds
20:09of the season.
20:10And we're in the jumbo world, uh, a lot.
20:12So, you know, we want to be multiple.
20:14We want to have balance 11, 12s, 13s, 20, et cetera.
20:20And I think that's always good, uh, to be able to do those things.
20:23So that's important.
20:23And we've got a really good group of receivers.
20:24We've got a really good group of backs.
20:26We've got a really deep room at tight end now too, and we're healthy.
20:28So it's been a lot of fun just trying to mix those groupings here and, uh, and evolve that.
20:33Okay.
20:33And the, the thing that I was referring to earlier, Seth, that I said we would get to that
20:37Nick Cayley said right there that made people's ears kind of perk up a little bit was when
20:41he was going through all the numeric designations, you know, 11, 12.
20:45And for those who don't speak fluent numeric stuff, the first number is the number of running
20:49backs you have on the field.
20:50The second number is the number of tight ends you have on the field.
20:52And obviously what's left over are wide receivers.
20:55So 12 personnel is one running back, two tight ends, 13 is three tight ends, blah, blah, blah.
20:59When he said 20 personnel, people were like, woo.
21:02Two running backs and three, uh, three wide receivers.
21:05Yeah.
21:06People.
21:06And I, and I've, I, and I, you know, who I know is a big advocate of this.
21:09John Harris loves when they put two running backs out there that can, they can hurt you.
21:14Uh, they can, you know, that the other team has to pay attention to.
21:18And that's intriguing to me going back to your point several minutes ago about David Montgomery
21:23is that maybe he doesn't have the numbers to back it up in terms of sheer volume of catches
21:29in his career, but he's got that club in his bag.
21:31And he has been that guy at certain points early in his career.
21:35And we know that's why Woody Marks is drafted.
21:36So people were getting a little excited about that.
21:39Like, Ooh, David Montgomery and Woody Marks on the field at the same time.
21:42And Woody Marks by rookie standards was much better in pass protection than most rookies
21:47are.
21:47So it does create, it's not as obvious if you've got Montgomery and Woody Marks back
21:52there, who the receiving option is.
21:54And that you could trust that, okay, if people are playing the tendencies and therefore focusing
22:00on Woody Marks, all of a sudden, no, Woody Marks is staying in the block and David Montgomery
22:05will be the guy.
22:05The other thing there though, too, is, um, what Nick Caley said was we're in the jumbo
22:10world a lot.
22:10That means they were out there playing with six offensive linemen a lot.
22:14And I, I think, I think some people were a little bit more impressed by the Texans use
22:20of jumbo than they should have been because it wasn't, it wasn't awesome for the Texans.
22:25It was just less worse.
22:27It was that you were, they had issues on the offensive line.
22:31They were having trouble getting movement and they, they, sometimes you bring, you bring
22:37an extra offensive lineman in there just because it's not going to be an abomination.
22:40At least, but it wasn't like they were a rolling ball of butcher knives when Blake Fisher was
22:46out there.
22:47And then also he doesn't provide you anything as a receiving threat.
22:50So it makes you really one dimensional.
22:52Yeah.
22:52So I think, yeah, when they bring in Foster Moreau, when they draft Marlon Klein, they
22:56would very much prefer to have a tight end in there instead of a, instead of an offensive
23:02lineman.
23:02It's a, it's just, I, I think cause sometimes I'll hear, well, you got to keep Blake Fisher
23:07because he's your sixth offensive lineman.
23:09Like, no, I don't, I don't think that's going to factor in one tiny bit into whether Blake
23:13Fisher makes the team.
23:14No, especially when they, when they've gone out and, and, and gotten other tackles, you
23:19know, there's, he's got more competition in that room now than, than Blake Fisher does
23:23than he had before.
23:24Kaylee did not sound super stoked in that cut.
23:27We just played about the era when they had to start going jumbo.
23:30We lived in the jumbo world a lot.
23:32Yeah.
23:33Yeah.
23:33Like he did not sound like somebody, he didn't say, he wasn't saying we got to live in the
23:38jumbo world a lot.
23:39It was like, no, we had to live in the jumbo world.
23:40Whenever you talk about living in a world or a land, it's like a fantasy land or yeah.
23:46One extreme or the other.
23:47And this was, this felt like it was in an extreme that he, that was, that felt like a
23:51world he did not want to live in.
23:52No, but even that, like in fantasy, it's usually a negative though, too.
23:55If you're living in fantasy land, uh, you're living in wacky world or whatever.
23:59Yeah.
23:59It's, it's not the world you want to be living in.
24:01No, no.
24:02Um, my honorable mentions, by the way, of guys I want to hear from Kalen Bullock, Caden
24:06McDonald, cause he's fun.
24:08Um, and who knows what he's going to say.
24:10I, they may keep the rookies off the grid for a little bit.
24:13Aziz Ariante or Shereeb, just because he's, we haven't talked about him a lot.
24:17Sheldon Rankins is a good interview.
24:19I don't have Daniel Hunter and Derek Stingley on my list because neither of them really say
24:23anything.
24:24Derek's fun.
24:25Just because you can expect the 22nd answer to everything.
24:27Do it at best.
24:2922nd.
24:30What did you say other than Stingley?
24:31Uh, Daniel Hunter.
24:32Oh, Daniel Hunter.
24:32Yeah.
24:33Yeah.
24:33They're both, they're both super quiet.
24:35It's kind of like Danico Autry was like that too.
24:37You know, not rude or it's just, uh, you know, it doesn't, doesn't, doesn't really, he
24:41doesn't want to be there.
24:41All business.
24:42Um, you know, Daniel, you always feel like he's, he's got a workout to get to.
24:46You, you actually had a really good interview with Daniel last year when we were in West
24:49Virginia.
24:50Yeah.
24:50You got him talking about things.
24:51I was very impressed.
24:52You, the only two people I've seen Daniel Hunter start riffing a little bit with Seth
24:57C Payne and Kay Adams, the two, the two sexiest people, the two sexiest people in broadcasting.
25:04Same tactics.
25:05Same tactics.
25:06You know what I, you know what I did with Daniel was I could tell as he was walking up
25:09to do
25:09this interview, um, that I, I was like, man, he looks like he wants to get to his workout.
25:14Cause that's what it's like after, especially during training camp.
25:16Like you got, you got all these things you want to do after, before you got to get to meetings
25:19and everything, you know, Daniel takes care of his body, probably wanted to get in the
25:22cold tub and everything.
25:23Yep.
25:23So I just started in with, uh, I started in with just meathead bro gym talk for the first
25:28three minutes.
25:29It worked, man.
25:29It was a good conversation.
25:30I'm sure it's out there somewhere.
25:32I was very, uh, yeah, I was very intrigued.
25:34Uh, well, remember last year is he had said that he put on five pounds of muscle in an interview
25:40during OTAs and everybody's like, how the fuck did you put on five pounds of muscle?
25:44Yep.
25:44And he did, you know, he did it pull-ups.
25:47Yeah.
25:47He just worked his back more.
25:49That's it, man.
25:50People don't realize how, uh, kids don't, kids don't understand how powerful you are.
25:54Uh, if you can do, if you're a big man that can do pull-ups, you can be one of
25:58the strongest
25:59guys on the field, no matter, no matter what your, no matter what your bench press is.
26:03Herschel Walker, sit-ups and push-ups, supposedly that was it.
26:06That's what he said he did.
26:07Just sit-ups and push-ups back in the day.
26:09Well, I mean, Daniel's doing pull-ups with 50 pound weights strapped to it.
26:12Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:13It wasn't, yeah.
26:14Yep.
26:14Um, did you, uh, have you seen the new Rocket?
26:18Uniforms?
26:19I just thought they were going back to the ketchup and mustard.
26:21Well, they are.
26:21I didn't see the brand, the new version of the ketchup and mustard.
26:24So they're going back to the ketchup, they're going back to the, the, the ketchup and mustard.
26:28The font of the Houston or the Rockets on the front is different.
26:32I guess there was some hangup where they couldn't go back to the exact same uniforms, but, so they've
26:37got three uniforms.
26:38They've got a red with the white and yellow trim.
26:42Oh, yeah, yeah.
26:43They've got white with the red and yellow trim, and they've got, it's 2026, so you've got to
26:48have a full-on black uniform with some of the hints of the red and the yellow in the numbering
26:54and the lettering on the uniform.
26:55Um, people like me who, uh, love the ketchup and mustard uniforms back in the day, love
27:02these uniforms.
27:03I think they're great.
27:04I like the, I like the new, the logo too, where it's more, it's, uh, I, it's, everything's
27:09my, the fonts and everything are all just more current.
27:12Yeah.
27:12Um, the logo's really cool.
27:14Yeah, I like them.
27:15I'm not as much of a uniform connoisseur.
27:17They're not, they don't look atrocious.
27:19Okay.
27:19Yeah.
27:20With me, with uniforms, it's either atrocious or, okay, that's cool.
27:24Yeah.
27:24So this is cool.
27:25I take that back though, because, uh, the City Connect uniforms, I get pretty impressed
27:29by with other teams.
27:30Uh, when I, when a team, when the Astros are playing a team with a City Connect, I, uh, I
27:34give grudging acknowledgement of when they're really cool.
27:36Yeah, they can be fun.
27:37They can be fun.
27:38I, this, this to me, like 30 years later, finally remedies.
27:42One of the biggest wrongs in the history of uniform changes.
27:45Yeah.
27:45Cause I was living here at the time, but I moved here in between the two rocket championships.
27:50So my first year as a Houstonian was that run that they had in 95 from the sixth seed,
27:54beating all those good teams, kiss of death, Mario, I, that's so fun to live here for that.
28:00It's one of my, to this day, it's still one of my favorite teams I've ever rooted for.
28:03And then the very next season after winning two championships, they not only change uniforms,
28:08but, and I don't know if this is a controversial take at all.
28:10I don't know how many of you out there from back then or even now like the uniforms they
28:14switched to.
28:15It was a complete shift, not only in like color scheme, font, vibe, fit, like they were,
28:24the shorts were big and baggy.
28:26The pinstrap, the colors went from the mustard, the ketchup and mustard and the white to, to
28:31dark blue and red with the cartoon rocket on the front of it and a font that was different.
28:37And I, I thought my, in my opinion, and I feel it's this to this day, it is the worst
28:42uniform change for a team that I've rooted for certainly.
28:46And maybe for a team that I've even just observed in the history of uniform changes and, and just
28:52silly to do it after winning two championships.
28:55I know that they usually do these things, start planning them years in advance.
28:58And they, maybe they didn't know as they're planning, obviously they don't know we're
29:01going to win two championships in the old uniforms, but those uniforms stunk.
29:07They were terrible.
29:08I had the one thing I didn't understand from that video, Sean, I was a little bit confused
29:11is that sometimes it looked like there were subtle pinstripes and then other times it
29:16didn't.
29:16I didn't notice.
29:17Yeah.
29:17I'm not sure.
29:18Yeah.
29:18There's like a subtle pinstripe to it, but on the red and the white, you can see it on
29:23the red.
29:23It's like from a distance, you can't even tell that there's pinstripes until they get
29:27up close on it.
29:27I am going today, Seth, Amy and I are going to go down to Toyota center.
29:31They're having a big pop-up down there today with, uh, with all the new merch and with all
29:35the rocket legends, signing autographs, that's like, we're going to go down there
29:39at lunchtime.
29:40Sam, I will report back to you on this pinstripe.
29:42I didn't, I didn't, I got to watch the video again.
29:45Okay.
29:45I didn't see, I didn't notice that.
29:47You didn't notice the pinstripes?
29:48Well, I didn't, it did.
29:49If I did, it didn't bug me or anything like that.
29:51Like, no, and that's, what's interesting about it.
29:53Cause, uh, the pinstripes have been pretty polarizing at times.
29:56And, uh, like this is from a distance, you can't see them, but then they go up close.
30:00I'm like, wait, is this a different, do they have yet another version of it?
30:03No.
30:04Oh, I see.
30:05On the white one.
30:06Yeah.
30:06Like those gray stripes.
30:07Yeah.
30:08Yeah.
30:08Yeah.
30:08The red one there.
30:10Right.
30:10And on the shorts, they're the pinch.
30:12I guess it didn't bug.
30:13I was so happy to have the color scheme back.
30:16Yeah.
30:16Of the yellow and the red.
30:18Yeah.
30:18No, the pinstripes are distinct.
30:20Uh, okay.
30:21Um, I'm not wild about the pinstripes, but they don't ruin it for me.
30:24Well, no, they're, I, you say they're distinct.
30:26I feel like they're, I, I think they're way more subtle.
30:29I think they're way more subtle than the uniforms that I just said.
30:32I hated so much.
30:32Right.
30:33Right.
30:33That's what I mean.
30:34And so it's weird.
30:34Uh, I, yeah, it's almost like they did an homage to the, they're going back, uh,
30:38is an homage to the ketchup and mustard, but also, but don't forget the pinstripes.
30:42Don't forget the cartoon rocket.
30:45We don't want you to forget the pinstripes.
30:47No, overall, I really like these.
30:48I just like having the color scheme back and I'm with you.
30:50The font, there were people a little upset that they didn't just go straight back to
30:54the same exact font they had in the, in the, in the, you know, in the seventies, eighties
30:59and nineties.
31:00Yeah.
31:00I'm with you.
31:01I kind of like it.
31:02It's a little more modernized.
31:03What I also thought was interesting too, about the video, Tari Eason is one of the players
31:09modeling these uniforms.
31:10He's a restricted free agent after, uh, after these finals are over.
31:14I just wonder, it's, it's read into that.
31:17Well, it's like what the Texans used to be.
31:21Okay.
31:21Who's not on the season tickets, season tickets.
31:25That was fun.
31:26One year.
31:27What?
31:27Oh, Dwayne, uh, Dwayne Brown was not on it one year.
31:30He was holding out telling.
31:32Yeah.
31:32Yep.
31:32He was holding out and then he got traded that season.
31:35That's what sucks about not having the physical tickets in your hand anymore.
31:38We don't get that topic each year.
31:40Yeah.
31:40It's funny when, you know, you said you didn't notice the pinstripes at first.
31:43Like, so I'm looking at the picture of Reed Shepard and once you see them, you'd always
31:48see them.
31:49You can't unsee them.
31:49But the first time I looked, the first couple of times I had looked at it, I didn't notice
31:53them at all.
31:54Yeah.
31:54So I think that's probably, that's the right amount of pinstripes.
31:57Yes.
31:57Yeah.
31:57Yeah.
31:58It's the fact that you had to send me to the video a second time to look at them tells
32:03me that I can't get angry about them, you know, like can't get angry about it.
32:06So good job by the Rockets, um, making up 30 years later, making up for the worst uniform
32:11change in history.
32:12I hated those.
32:13My, my Astro best and worst.
32:16See, do you, you mentioned the space city for the other teams.
32:20Did you like the first space city uniforms?
32:23The Astros had before this, the, the version they have now is the all white.
32:27Did you like the ones that were like really busy and dark blue?
32:31Yeah.
32:31I thought there was too much going on.
32:33Yeah.
32:33Yeah.
32:34Yeah.
32:34I didn't, I haven't been super crazy about either of the Astros city connect uniforms.
32:39So the white ones they were on Mondays this year, you're not crazy.
32:42I like them better, but yeah, I'm not, I just, there's other, other teams.
32:46I do like, I like a, um, I like, uh, uh, uh, one bold color or uniform color more so
32:54than
32:54white or anything.
32:55Yeah.
32:55Yeah.
32:55Yeah.
32:56I'm a big fan.
32:57I've learned over the years.
32:58I'm a big cream uniforms.
32:59Oh yeah.
33:00Huh?
33:00Yeah.
33:00Okay.
33:01I like that.
33:01It kind of just feels old timey.
33:03Yeah.
33:03Cause it was like back in the day, you didn't know whether they were cream or they just
33:06didn't have the budget for laundry.
33:08You know, yeah, I was like, all right, I don't know the money wasn't the same back then.
33:13I respect those might just be dingy more so than cream.
33:16Yeah, man.
33:16Yeah.
33:17Um, I think it was that the white socks have like a really cool cream city connect.
33:21Oh, do they really?
33:22I think if I remember it correctly.
33:24The city connect ones I don't like are the Boston red socks, green ones.
33:27And I know they're doing it for the green monster.
33:29I just think that the red socks wearing an all green uniform is stupid.
33:32Oh no.
33:33The white socks are the one I couldn't figure out whether I liked it or not.
33:35The white socks have that, the air Jordan ones.
33:38Oh yeah.
33:39Yeah.
33:39They've got the, they've got the ones that look like a, like a bulls Jersey, which is
33:43pretty cool.
33:44Except I don't like, I don't, I don't like the color of them, but I like, or I don't
33:47like the, I don't like the uniforms, but I kind of like the, the nod to air Jordan.
33:51Yep.
33:52Uh, people weighing in, uh, Hey Sean and Seth.
33:54Yes.
33:55We hated those rockets blue unis with the clown shorts exclamation point.
33:59Uh, Oh, they, they, there's people calling those uniforms pajamas cause they were so
34:04baggy and big.
34:05Yeah.
34:06And that's the, and that's what kind of, that was an older team too.
34:10So that day and age in the mid nineties, there were a lot of college teams going to the big
34:14baggy shorts, like the, the air, the Arkansas teams, the 40 minutes of hell, Arkansas teams,
34:20the fab five, the fab five kind of started up the really baggy shorts.
34:24That's what made it look stupid for me with the rockets was that was a team that had 35 year
34:31old
34:31Hakeem Olajuwon 35 year old Charles Barkley, 36 year old Clyde Drexler, Kevin Willis.
34:36They looked like they like, like divorced dads trying to look, you know, in their forties around
34:42the household trying to look like, they look like they're trying to be in their twenties.
34:46Well, it was also though, too, you know, with Barkley, you know, you look at, uh, you know,
34:51highlights of him from his early years in the NBA and he was wearing the shorter shorts and
34:55everything.
34:55And he was a little bit more of a slender dude.
34:57I don't know if slender is the right word, but by the time you get to the rockets, yeah,
35:01he looks like a guy who's not just wearing big and baggy, but also wearing pinstripes because
35:06it might have a slimming effect, but it doesn't when they're big, when they're huge white pinstripes,
35:12it doesn't have the slimming effect you're looking for.
35:14If anything, it highlights the bulbous contours of your body.
35:18Yes.
35:19Yes.
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