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00:00:00There are shadows that cover and shadows that hide, as with clouds.
00:00:04There are those that for a moment cover the sun on a very hot day
00:00:08and then the shadows are pleasant shadows, which refresh.
00:00:12However, if the sun and clouds cover too much and for too long,
00:00:16then the shadows become dark, they become darkness, and it's a scary thing.
00:00:28This is the story of a shadow, a dark shadow, a black shadow,
00:00:32which covers the main mysteries of our most recent history.
00:00:47What's that shadow? There's someone behind it.
00:00:49Because sometimes shadows are just projections of simple objects,
00:00:53that a child's imagination has transformed into a vampire, a monster, a werewolf,
00:00:58and instead there is nothing.
00:00:59But sometimes vampires, monsters and werewolves are real,
00:01:04and that's their shadow.
00:01:12Our story begins in 1981, March 17, 1981, at 9 in the morning.
00:01:29It was then that a group of officers and soldiers of the Guardia di Finanza of Milan
00:01:33he goes to knock on the offices of a clothing factory located in Castiglion-Fibocchi,
00:01:37in the province of Arezzo,
00:01:38while at the same time other officers and other military personnel
00:01:41they are doing the same thing in a company in Frosinone,
00:01:44to a suite at the Hotel Excelsior in Rome
00:01:46and in a villa that is also near Arezzo and which is called Villa Vanda.
00:02:02The finance police have a search warrant in their hands
00:02:05signed by two deputy prosecutors of Milan,
00:02:07Giuliano Turone and Gerardo Colombo.
00:02:10In 1981, Giuliano Turone and I were both investigating judges in Milan,
00:02:18we've been investigating for some time
00:02:23on a series of events that directly or indirectly involved Michele Sindona.
00:02:31Michele Sindona is a Sicilian businessman.
00:02:41He is the owner of a bank that is at the centre of a complex case of money laundering and covert financing,
00:02:47which involves, in addition to part of Italian politics and finance,
00:02:51including Cosa Nostra, the Vatican and the secret services of other countries.
00:02:56The Milan prosecutor's office is investigating the Sindona case and two incidents in particular.
00:03:09One is the murder of a lawyer, a good man, a bourgeois hero,
00:03:13whose name is Giorgio Ambrosoli and who had been appointed by the Bank of Italy
00:03:17to shed light on the affairs of Michele Sindona's bank,
00:03:20which led to his death in July 1979.
00:03:31The other episode is a fake kidnapping.
00:03:37In August 1979 Michele Sindona, under pressure from the Italian and American judiciary,
00:03:44pretends to be kidnapped by a self-styled terrorist group,
00:03:47he disappears from New York and goes to Sicily to seek help, a guest of Cosa Nostra.
00:03:55He returned to New York two months later, with a gunshot wound to the leg.
00:03:59which was done to give more substance to the kidnapping hypothesis,
00:04:02which, practically, nobody believes in.
00:04:16The Milan Public Prosecutor's Office entrusts the investigation to Deputy Prosecutors Turone and Colombo,
00:04:22who often come across a strange character, an entrepreneur from Arezzo called Licio Gelli.
00:04:36Michele Sindona, to demonstrate to the American judiciary that he was a good person persecuted by the communists,
00:04:43he has a series of affidavits written, letters of esteem signed by very important people.
00:04:48One of these, the inscription Licio Gelli.
00:04:55And then there's something else.
00:04:57To shoot Michele Sindona that shot in the leg, when he was in Sicily,
00:05:01He was an Italian-American doctor named Joseph Miceli Crimi.
00:05:08The magistrates found him a train ticket from Palermo to Arezzo,
00:05:12which dates back to the days of the fake kidnapping.
00:05:15Why did Dr. Miceli Crimi go to Arezzo?
00:05:18Because his dentist is there, he replies, but nobody believes him.
00:05:22Because there's another person in Arezzo too.
00:05:26In Arezzo there is Licio Gelli.
00:05:32Thus the deputy prosecutors Turone and Colombo collected all the addresses that lead to Licio Gelli
00:05:38and they send the Guardia di Finanza with a search warrant.
00:05:41We have given very precise and binding instructions to the Guardia di Finanza.
00:05:49They were not to make contact with anyone.
00:05:53It was as if they were to suddenly appear at the places where the searches were to be carried out.
00:06:01The finance police found nothing at the Frosinone company and at the Excelsior Hotel.
00:06:05The company is an old address and the hotel only rented a suite to Licio Gelli
00:06:10when he had to meet someone in Rome.
00:06:19Villa Vanda is a large villa located on the hill of Santa Maria delle Grazie, above Arezzo.
00:06:31Colonel Bianchi's financiers do not find Licio Gelli, but they find the custodian who opens the door to him.
00:06:36only after speaking with Gelli's daughter and his lawyer.
00:06:40Even there, the search found nothing particularly important.
00:06:45At the clothing company in Castiglion-Fibocchi, called Giole, however, things are very different.
00:06:52At the Castiglion-Fibocchi company there is Licio Gelli's secretary, who says she doesn't have the keys
00:06:57of the desk drawers, of the safe and of a large suitcase that is in the office.
00:07:03At a certain point, while the finance police were searching his office, Licio Gelli telephoned
00:07:08to his secretary. He tells her to give him a hand and pretend he's her father and asks her
00:07:13news of the search. He seems very worried. So he tells her to make up an excuse and leave.
00:07:20to be able to speak without the financiers listening to her.
00:07:28He doesn't know that the conversation is being intercepted. So, when the secretary asks to leave,
00:07:33The finance police made her open her purse and also found the key to the safe.
00:07:40In the safe there are some copies of a long list of names.
00:07:48In the suitcase, however, there are many other documents.
00:08:00Strange documents. Important documents. Hot documents.
00:08:08And the names on the list, those too, are very important.
00:08:14Colonel Bianchi and his financiers are beginning to understand why that search was carried out
00:08:19done so quickly and above all in such secret, without telling anyone, not even the superiors.
00:08:25While they were carrying out the search, in fact, Colonel Bianchi received a phone call.
00:08:30Colonel Bianchi received a phone call from the general commander of the Guardia di Finanza,
00:08:37General Giannini, who told him by telephone
00:08:41look, you'll find some lists and I'm in those lists too.
00:08:44What are those documents? They are lists, registers, and files relating to a secret Masonic lodge,
00:08:51that is, confidential, not public. Some might later say secret.
00:09:05Among the seized documents is the lodge's organizational chart,
00:09:08its division into 17 subgroups, there is the list of members,
00:09:13There are membership fee payments and there are also the originals of the membership applications.
00:09:18There are also 30 closed, sealed envelopes, signed by Riccio Gelli.
00:09:26The covered Masonic lodge, which is found in the documents seized in Castiglion-Fibocchi,
00:09:31it's called Propaganda 2, P2.
00:09:34The material was truly, I would say, amazing material.
00:09:40The one about the organization was surprising,
00:09:46how surprising was the one concerning the envelopes, the one contained in the envelopes.
00:09:51Among the sealed files are many references to some of the mysteries
00:09:56who have cast their shadow on the political, economic and even criminal life of our country.
00:10:01And many of these are crime reports.
00:10:07But above all those documents are explosive for another reason,
00:10:11for the names found in those elect.
00:10:13There are 962 names, which include, among others, three ministers,
00:10:1967 politicians, including 44 parliamentarians, 52 ministerial directors,
00:10:25208 officers of the Armed Forces and the Carabinieri,
00:10:2918 senior magistrates, 49 bankers, 120 businessmen and 27 journalists.
00:10:37This is a big deal, too big to be just a judicial investigation.
00:10:42Politics must also be involved in something like this,
00:10:45because the very security and stability of the State are being called into question,
00:10:50even just from an uncontrolled leak.
00:10:59Thus the deputy prosecutors, Turone and Colombo,
00:11:02they try to speak with the President of the Republic, Sandro Pertini,
00:11:05but he is not in Italy at that moment.
00:11:07And so, on March 25, they went to speak with the Prime Minister, Arnaldo Forlani.
00:11:18Welcoming them at Palazzo Chigi is Forlani's Chief of Staff, Prefect Mario Semprini.
00:11:24And here comes the first moment of embarrassment,
00:11:26because the Prefect is also on the P2 lists, membership card 1637.
00:11:30Then Prefect Semprini introduced the two magistrates to the Prime Minister.
00:11:35Among the papers we had brought there was also a photocopy of the application form,
00:11:42as autographed by the Minister of Justice at the time.
00:11:48The Minister is the Keeper of the Seals, the one who countersigns the government's acts.
00:11:54And then it occurred to us to suggest to the Honorable Forlani
00:12:01to compare the signature that appeared on the application form
00:12:06with a signature of the Honorable Sarti.
00:12:10Yes, Sarti.
00:12:13that it appear on any government document.
00:12:18And Forlani went to look for it, he came back with something signed by Sarti,
00:12:26saying, because he looked at the question first,
00:12:29he said, but it doesn't seem like it to me,
00:12:31It looks a little like you, but I don't think it's his signature.
00:12:35And then when he did the comparison, he looked at the signature on the application at the same time.
00:12:41and the signature on the government side, has progressively recognized
00:12:48that the signatures were indeed, they seemed to have been written by the same hand.
00:12:54and yet he said, but this is a photocopy.
00:12:58and we told him, yes, but we have the original in the office.
00:13:02And at that point, at that point, he agreed that the material was credible material.
00:13:12What do you do with those cards?
00:13:14Make them public?
00:13:15Keep them hidden?
00:13:17There is a judicial investigation
00:13:18and if it turns out that politicians have hidden such important documents, it's a disaster.
00:13:23At the same time, if the contents of the cards are published,
00:13:26a scandal of colossal proportions erupts.
00:13:29The Prime Minister remains in doubt for a long time,
00:13:33at least two months.
00:13:41Meanwhile, however, news is starting to leak out.
00:13:44Already immediately after the seizure of the documents, something had reached the press.
00:13:52Then, on March 21, the newspaper Il Giornale, directed by Indro Montanelli,
00:13:57talks about the operation of the Milanese magistrates.
00:14:02Pressured by parliamentary questions, public opinion and the press,
00:14:06on May 20, 1981, the Prime Minister, Arnaldo Forlani,
00:14:11decides to publish the P2 lists.
00:14:14It was immediately clear that the thing was sensational,
00:14:17because there were generals, admirals, prefects, secret service men.
00:14:24And so the thing was huge, it was developing in a sensational way.
00:14:28The next day, the list appears in all the press outlets and the scandal erupts.
00:14:35Accused of keeping the P2 list hidden all that time,
00:14:39Prime Minister Arnaldo Forlani was forced to resign.
00:14:44Also because the list includes five undersecretaries of his government and three ministers.
00:14:49Minister Enrico Manca, of foreign trade,
00:14:52Minister Franco Foschi, of Labour,
00:14:54and Minister Adolfo Satti, of Justice.
00:15:01The list includes all the top officials of the Italian secret services.
00:15:04General Giuseppe Santovito, who commands the SISMI,
00:15:08General Giulio Grassini, who commands the SISDE,
00:15:10and Walter Pelosi, who commands CESIS,
00:15:13which should monitor the activity of the services.
00:15:16There is the Chief of the Defence Staff, Admiral Giovanni Torrisi,
00:15:20and there is also the general commander of the Guardia di Finanza,
00:15:23General Orazio Giannini,
00:15:25the one Colonel Bianchi calls during his search in Castiglionfibocchi.
00:15:3412 Carabinieri generals,
00:15:365 of the Guardia di Finanza,
00:15:3822 army generals,
00:15:394 of the Air Force,
00:15:41and 8 admirals.
00:15:45There are important representatives of the press.
00:15:53The director of GR2, Gustavo Selva,
00:15:56card 1814.
00:15:58Journalists and writers such as Roberto Gervaso,
00:16:00card 1813.
00:16:02There are 10 RAI executives
00:16:04and also exponents of the entertainment world,
00:16:06like the imitator Alighiero Noschese,
00:16:08card 1778.
00:16:11The host Fabrizio Trecca,
00:16:14card 1748.
00:16:16And also the singer Claudio Vino.
00:16:19And there are representatives from the world of economics and finance,
00:16:22like the banker Umberto Ortolani,
00:16:25card 1622,
00:16:26and the entrepreneur Silvio Berlusconi,
00:16:29card 1816.
00:16:30But there are also characters who appear frequently
00:16:33in the main Italian mysteries.
00:16:36Like generals Vito Miceli,
00:16:38card 1605,
00:16:40General Giannadelio Maletti,
00:16:42card 1610,
00:16:43Captain Antonio Labruna,
00:16:44card 1613,
00:16:46the bankers Michele Sindona,
00:16:48card 1612,
00:16:49Roberto Calvi,
00:16:51card 1624.
00:16:53Characters we have already talked about many times
00:16:56and which we will talk about again shortly.
00:16:58The very serious events of Italian politics,
00:17:01especially the massacres,
00:17:03something hidden,
00:17:05of sick,
00:17:05of violent,
00:17:06which dominated Italian politics,
00:17:09we had always had the impression
00:17:11that there were sanctuaries,
00:17:13something that was behind.
00:17:15And when it came out
00:17:17that there was this list
00:17:18in which politicians were also present,
00:17:21high-ranking military personnel,
00:17:25finance men
00:17:26and important economy,
00:17:29the first thing was to understand,
00:17:32here, it's clear,
00:17:34we finally got our hands on it
00:17:36on a nucleus,
00:17:38a rottenness of life
00:17:40political, social and economic
00:17:42of the country.
00:17:44In the list,
00:17:45with membership number 1711,
00:17:47the name also appears
00:17:48of the head of the lodge,
00:17:50Licio Gelli,
00:17:51Arezzo,
00:17:51venerable qualification of the lodge.
00:18:01Who is Licio Gelli?
00:18:03Volunteer in the Spanish Civil War
00:18:05at 17 years old,
00:18:06fascist party official
00:18:07from Pistoia,
00:18:08fascist hierarch
00:18:09just over 20 years old.
00:18:11Licio Gelli has a strange career,
00:18:12very fast
00:18:13and very contradictory.
00:18:15In Pistoia, for example,
00:18:16is responsible for the GUF,
00:18:17the young university fascists,
00:18:19even if it only has
00:18:20elementary school diploma.
00:18:25Involved in the actions
00:18:26of the autonomous brigade
00:18:27Ettore Mutti,
00:18:28one of the toughest formations
00:18:30in the fight against the resistance,
00:18:32as soon as he begins to understand
00:18:33that the war will end badly,
00:18:35Licio Gelli begins to collaborate
00:18:36with the partisans
00:18:37from the Pistoia area.
00:18:39Help the partisans
00:18:40to enter a warehouse
00:18:42and take over
00:18:43of weapons and food
00:18:44and then helps them
00:18:45to enter a fortress
00:18:46and to free
00:18:47other partisans detained.
00:18:49And when they arrive
00:18:50the Americans,
00:18:50help them too.
00:18:56Get in touch
00:18:57with American counterintelligence
00:18:59by James Angleton,
00:19:00which will then become
00:19:00the OSS
00:19:01and finally the CIA.
00:19:06Later,
00:19:07also collaborates
00:19:08with the Italian secret services
00:19:09and with the carabinieri,
00:19:10to which it provides a list
00:19:12of fascists
00:19:12and collaborators of the Germans.
00:19:17The partisans
00:19:18and the authorities
00:19:18of liberated Italy
00:19:19they try to punish him
00:19:20or to prosecute him
00:19:22for his business
00:19:23with the Italian Social Republic.
00:19:24But there's always something,
00:19:26an order,
00:19:27a letter,
00:19:27a suggestion,
00:19:28by a higher authority
00:19:30that saves him.
00:19:36When the war ends,
00:19:38Licio Gelli
00:19:38he is 28 years old.
00:19:40For a while
00:19:40he is a street vendor
00:19:41in Pistoia,
00:19:42then he opens a bookstore
00:19:43and then becomes a collaborator
00:19:45of two honorable members
00:19:46Christian Democrats,
00:19:48two parliamentarians
00:19:48which are part
00:19:49of the current
00:19:50by Giulio Andreotti.
00:19:53In 1952
00:19:54he goes to Frosinone,
00:19:56where it becomes
00:19:57director
00:19:57of the establishment
00:19:58that Permaflex
00:19:59from Pistoia
00:19:59he opened
00:20:00over there.
00:20:01At the inauguration
00:20:02of the establishment
00:20:03there is a cardinal
00:20:04and two ministers.
00:20:05The Minister for the South,
00:20:07Edgardo Lami Sneezing,
00:20:09and the Minister of Defense,
00:20:10Giulio Andreotti.
00:20:13In 1967
00:20:14Licio Gelli
00:20:15leaves Permaflex
00:20:16and founds
00:20:17a clothing company,
00:20:18Giole,
00:20:19along with what remains
00:20:20of the Lebole company,
00:20:21and buy a villa,
00:20:22a beautiful villa
00:20:23of the three floors
00:20:24built from the end
00:20:24of the nineteenth century
00:20:25on the hill
00:20:26of Santa Maria delle Grazie,
00:20:27from which you can see
00:20:28all of Arezzo,
00:20:29that in honor
00:20:30of the wife
00:20:30call Villa Vanda.
00:20:35Lots of people pass through here
00:20:37from that villa.
00:20:42Important people pass through here,
00:20:44like the general
00:20:45of the Carabinieri
00:20:46John Baptist Palumbo,
00:20:47Card 1672,
00:20:49and the head of the Sifar,
00:20:50the secret service
00:20:51of then,
00:20:52General Giovanni
00:20:53Allavena,
00:20:54Card number 1615.
00:21:01It also happens
00:21:02the President of the Republic,
00:21:03Joseph Saragat.
00:21:13he has many friends,
00:21:15a lot of knowledge
00:21:16and many relationships
00:21:17Mr. Gelli,
00:21:18many contacts.
00:21:32Giorgio Pisano,
00:21:33journalist and honorable
00:21:35of the Italian Social Movement
00:21:36and member
00:21:37of the Parliamentary Commission
00:21:38which will then be taken care of
00:21:39of the P2,
00:21:40gives a definition of it
00:21:41very clear
00:21:42and very precise.
00:21:43The man
00:21:44that connects everyone.
00:21:50In the meantime,
00:21:51Licio Gelli
00:21:52he became a Freemason.
00:21:53A character
00:21:54pitying
00:21:55which never should have happened
00:21:57join Freemasonry
00:21:58because its history
00:22:00it's not the story
00:22:02of the masonry books.
00:22:04The history of masonry books
00:22:05it's a story
00:22:05of democracy,
00:22:07of freedom,
00:22:08of dialogue,
00:22:10to build
00:22:12for the good
00:22:12of humanity.
00:22:13Licio Gelli
00:22:14join Freemasonry
00:22:16in 1963.
00:22:18At the start,
00:22:19his question
00:22:19remains suspended
00:22:20for a while
00:22:21because some Freemasons
00:22:23it doesn't go down
00:22:23his fascist past.
00:22:24But then
00:22:25is accepted
00:22:26and from that moment on,
00:22:27as usual,
00:22:28he has a very fast career.
00:22:35In 1967,
00:22:37the grand master
00:22:37of then,
00:22:38Giordano Gamberini,
00:22:39promotes it directly
00:22:41as an apprentice bricklayer
00:22:42to the master
00:22:42and inserts it
00:22:44ex officio
00:22:44in the Propaganda lodge,
00:22:46entrusting special tasks
00:22:47within Freemasonry.
00:22:50In 1970,
00:22:52the next master,
00:22:53Lino Salvini,
00:22:54he entrusts him with the task
00:22:55to reorganize
00:22:56the Propaganda 2 lodge,
00:22:58which even takes on
00:22:59the name of
00:22:59Gelli group,
00:23:00P2.
00:23:06Gli Ciogelli does it,
00:23:08reorganizes his lodge
00:23:09looking for many followers
00:23:10in the field of politics,
00:23:12of the press,
00:23:13of the economy,
00:23:13of public administration,
00:23:15of the judiciary
00:23:16and above all
00:23:17of the armed forces.
00:23:23There is a world
00:23:24that Lino Ciogelli
00:23:24he knows very well
00:23:25and that's it
00:23:26of the secret services
00:23:27which practically
00:23:28they enter en masse
00:23:29in his lodge,
00:23:30transforming it
00:23:31in a kind
00:23:32of a super covered lodge,
00:23:33very covered,
00:23:34which brings together
00:23:35a sort of elite
00:23:36of the company
00:23:37of our country.
00:23:38The P2 represents
00:23:40a phenomenon
00:23:42of devastation
00:23:44of Italian Freemasonry
00:23:45because since when
00:23:46P2 becomes
00:23:48the headquarters
00:23:50privileged
00:23:51power games
00:23:52of Italian Freemasonry
00:23:54it starts
00:23:55a phenomenon
00:23:56corruptive
00:23:58of Italian Freemasonry
00:23:59extremely
00:24:00harmful
00:24:01and dangerous.
00:24:02Such a concentration
00:24:03of power
00:24:04can't pass
00:24:04unnoticed
00:24:05both inside
00:24:06of freemasonry
00:24:07that outside.
00:24:07In Masonry
00:24:09there are many
00:24:10not to see
00:24:10with a good eye
00:24:11the anomaly
00:24:11of the P2
00:24:12so much so that the masters
00:24:13reunited
00:24:14in the Grand Lodge
00:24:15they decree
00:24:16the dissolution
00:24:16of the lodge
00:24:17Propaganda 2.
00:24:30But they can't do it.
00:24:32The P2
00:24:32it even comes out
00:24:34strengthened
00:24:34in its independence
00:24:35and Licio Gelli
00:24:37instead of being
00:24:38ousted
00:24:38is promoted
00:24:39at the level
00:24:40of venerable master.
00:24:56In July 1981
00:24:58the new president
00:24:59of the council
00:25:00John Spadolini
00:25:01proposes
00:25:01the dissolution
00:25:02of the P2
00:25:03and a law
00:25:04Law 17
00:25:05which prohibits
00:25:05secret societies.
00:25:07October 31st
00:25:09the Central Court
00:25:10of the Grand Orient
00:25:11of Italy
00:25:11a kind
00:25:12of court
00:25:12Masonic
00:25:13decrees
00:25:14the expulsion
00:25:14from Freemasonry
00:25:15by Licio Gelli
00:25:16The things
00:25:17they move on
00:25:18also from the point
00:25:18from a judicial point of view
00:25:20May 22nd
00:25:21the prosecutor's office
00:25:21of Milan
00:25:22stands out
00:25:22a mandate
00:25:23of capture
00:25:23but already from March 25th
00:25:25Licio Gelli
00:25:26he is untraceable
00:25:29it leaked
00:25:31how do you say
00:25:32in slang
00:25:32of the secret services
00:25:33he came out
00:25:34from Italy
00:25:34thanks to a passport
00:25:35diplomatic
00:25:36and he disappeared
00:25:37into nothingness
00:25:43Licio Gelli
00:25:45it's in Switzerland
00:25:45in Geneva
00:25:46Before
00:25:47in the villa
00:25:48of the banker
00:25:48Umberto Ortolani
00:25:49his brother
00:25:50of the P2
00:25:50Then
00:25:51at the Hotel President
00:25:52and from over there
00:25:53remain to observe
00:25:54the legal proceedings
00:25:56that concern him
00:25:57and his P2
00:25:57that I am
00:25:58quite tortuous
00:25:59What's happening?
00:26:00It happens that
00:26:01the prosecutor's office too
00:26:02of the Republic
00:26:03the judicial offices
00:26:04of Rome
00:26:04the public prosecutor's office
00:26:06opens
00:26:07an investigation
00:26:10on P2
00:26:11What
00:26:12was changing
00:26:13for us?
00:26:14It was changing
00:26:15that people
00:26:16that first
00:26:16having the name
00:26:17that appeared
00:26:19in the lists
00:26:19could be heard
00:26:20as witnesses
00:26:21in the moment
00:26:23in which
00:26:24were involved
00:26:25as people
00:26:26subjected
00:26:27under investigation
00:26:28Well
00:26:29the witnesses
00:26:30they weren't anymore
00:26:31and then
00:26:32they had
00:26:33the right
00:26:34Of
00:26:36refrain
00:26:37to answer
00:26:38also in Rome
00:26:39Indeed
00:26:40is being investigated
00:26:41on the Icio Gelli
00:26:42and on the P2 lodge
00:26:43the examining magistrate
00:26:44Domenico Sicca
00:26:45and the Attorney General
00:26:46Achille Gallucci
00:26:47they lift
00:26:48a conflict of jurisdiction
00:26:50with Milan
00:26:50at the Court of Cassation
00:26:53September 2, 1981
00:26:55the Court of Cassation
00:26:57it is pronounced
00:26:58on the conflict of jurisdiction
00:26:59and the investigation
00:27:00on the Propaganda 2 lodge
00:27:01from Milan
00:27:02he goes to Rome
00:27:03the cards then
00:27:04they all go to Rome
00:27:05there
00:27:07I always think
00:27:08for goodness sake
00:27:09in good faith
00:27:10of all
00:27:11what's happening?
00:27:12it happens that
00:27:13the news
00:27:14that to us
00:27:15they looked like those
00:27:16of greater importance
00:27:19are archived
00:27:20who should lead
00:27:22the investigations
00:27:23according to the code
00:27:23of criminal procedure
00:27:24of those years
00:27:25he is the investigating judge
00:27:26the prosecutor's office
00:27:27resize
00:27:28the accusations against Licio Gelli
00:27:29just a scam
00:27:30and boasted credit
00:27:31the examining magistrate
00:27:33investigates
00:27:33investigates Licio Gelli
00:27:34and on the members
00:27:35most influential
00:27:36of the lodge
00:27:36and in March
00:27:37of 1983
00:27:38emits
00:27:39a provision
00:27:40of acquittal
00:27:41towards
00:27:42of the group leaders
00:27:42of the lodge
00:27:43archiving
00:27:44the investigations
00:27:49meanwhile Licio Gelli
00:27:50he is arrested
00:27:51in Switzerland
00:27:52in a bank
00:27:52the same bank
00:27:54from which
00:27:55he had done
00:27:55some payments
00:27:56on a current account
00:27:57whose number
00:27:58it was also among the papers
00:27:59from Castiglion Fibocchi
00:28:00which will become
00:28:01very famous
00:28:02the protection account
00:28:03by Silvano Larini
00:28:04in the availability
00:28:06by Bettino Craxi
00:28:07this protection account
00:28:09which he will then have
00:28:10of the developments
00:28:11in clean hands
00:28:14was found
00:28:15as an indication
00:28:16in the cards
00:28:17by Licio Gelli
00:28:18it makes me think
00:28:20That
00:28:21if it were
00:28:22continued
00:28:23in the investigations
00:28:25if the cards
00:28:26had remained
00:28:27in Milan
00:28:27Perhaps
00:28:29Tangentopoli
00:28:30the system
00:28:31of corruption
00:28:32it would have been
00:28:33discovery
00:28:34much earlier
00:28:34it would have been
00:28:35discovery
00:28:37at the start
00:28:38of the years
00:28:3980
00:28:39instead of
00:28:40at the start
00:28:40of the years
00:28:4190
00:28:41but this one
00:28:43It's Tangentopoli
00:28:44and this one too
00:28:44it's a story
00:28:45that we have
00:28:45already told
00:28:52locked up in prison
00:28:53of Chamdollon
00:28:54in Switzerland
00:28:54reached in the meantime
00:28:55from other investigations
00:28:56on the other facts
00:28:57on which the magistrates
00:28:58they see themselves stretch out
00:28:59the black shadow
00:28:59of the P2
00:29:00in the night
00:29:01between the 9th
00:29:01and August 10th
00:29:031983
00:29:03Licio Gelli
00:29:04escapes
00:29:08simply
00:29:09pay some guards
00:29:10and he goes away
00:29:13the process
00:29:14at your expense
00:29:15by Licio Gelli
00:29:15of the P2 lodge
00:29:16meanwhile it continues
00:29:17to support
00:29:18the accusation
00:29:19and the substitute
00:29:20attorney
00:29:20Elizabeth Cesqui
00:29:21but that
00:29:22already leaving
00:29:23with archiving
00:29:24request
00:29:24from the judge
00:29:25instructor
00:29:25I had
00:29:26the cards
00:29:27of the process
00:29:28which will then be
00:29:29the process
00:29:30P2
00:29:30in 1985
00:29:31and I believe
00:29:32that in 1985
00:29:34at this point
00:29:34the games
00:29:35were somehow
00:29:36all done
00:29:37the substitute
00:29:38Attorney Cesqui
00:29:40but it goes on
00:29:41in the meantime
00:29:42it was formed
00:29:43a parliamentary commission
00:29:44that is discovering
00:29:45many things
00:29:46and then
00:29:46there are also
00:29:47the various other investigations
00:29:48on Italian mysteries
00:29:49that are
00:29:50adding elements
00:29:51disturbing elements
00:29:52which make one hypothesize
00:29:54that the shadow
00:29:54of the P2
00:29:55and of Liciogelli
00:29:56don't limit yourself
00:29:57only
00:29:57to the credit of the boasted
00:29:58and scam
00:29:59Liciogelli
00:30:00the mysterious
00:30:01grand master
00:30:02of the Masonic lodge
00:30:04P2
00:30:04at the center of many
00:30:05plots
00:30:06and legal matters
00:30:07he appeared in front
00:30:08to the judges
00:30:09of Geneva
00:30:10to answer
00:30:11of the escape
00:30:11from prison
00:30:12by Chandele
00:30:13Italy asks
00:30:14the extradition
00:30:14for Liciogelli
00:30:15and Switzerland
00:30:16he grants it
00:30:17as long as
00:30:17that he doesn't come
00:30:18tried
00:30:18for crimes
00:30:19of an associative type
00:30:20which is a limit
00:30:21for the process
00:30:21from the moment
00:30:22which is hypothesized
00:30:23that Liciogelli
00:30:24be at the head
00:30:25of that
00:30:25that the substitute
00:30:26Attorney Cesqui
00:30:27defines
00:30:28a sort
00:30:29secret service
00:30:30institutionally deviant
00:30:35in Italy
00:30:36Liciogelli
00:30:37he doesn't go to jail
00:30:38but in Parma
00:30:39in the cloister
00:30:39of the ancient
00:30:40Charterhouse
00:30:40in a special cell
00:30:42and then home
00:30:43under house arrest
00:30:44for health reasons
00:30:47she spoke
00:30:48of his will
00:30:49to clarify
00:30:50on the whole
00:30:51with an open face
00:30:52here this is a commitment
00:30:53which is now assumed
00:30:54officially
00:30:54in front of public opinion
00:30:55in front of this camera
00:30:57Certainly
00:30:58he's taking it
00:30:59officially
00:31:00and she will see
00:31:01that I
00:31:03I will take care of it
00:31:05to clarify
00:31:06point by point
00:31:08without reticence
00:31:09without reticence
00:31:11only
00:31:12with the truth
00:31:12nothing else
00:31:14that the truth
00:31:15it's only with the truth
00:31:16a comparison
00:31:18with an open face
00:31:19Certainly
00:31:20I accept them
00:31:20complexly
00:31:21but as a free man
00:31:22when then
00:31:23they will find something
00:31:24a test
00:31:26and then
00:31:27if I will pay
00:31:28all that
00:31:28which is expected
00:31:29from that test
00:31:29in 1994
00:31:30the assize court
00:31:32of Rome
00:31:33pronounce
00:31:33the sentence
00:31:34first degree
00:31:35the secret lodge
00:31:36P2
00:31:37by Licio Gelli
00:31:37I did not conspire
00:31:38against the State
00:31:40and then
00:31:41all acquitted
00:31:43the defendants
00:31:43for the crime
00:31:44more serious
00:31:45that one precisely
00:31:45of conspiracy
00:31:46politics
00:31:47through association
00:31:48the prosecutor's office
00:31:49he files an appeal
00:31:50against the sentence
00:31:51and two years later
00:31:51in 1996
00:31:53the assize court
00:31:54and appeal
00:31:55of Rome
00:31:55pronounce the verdict
00:31:56which confirms
00:31:57the sentence
00:31:58of acquittal
00:31:58all acquitted
00:31:59the members
00:32:00at the lodge
00:32:00Masonic P2
00:32:01accused of conspiracy
00:32:03against the State
00:32:04the sentence
00:32:04it was pronounced
00:32:05this morning
00:32:06from the second
00:32:07assize court
00:32:07of Rome
00:32:08for the court
00:32:09the propaganda lodge 2
00:32:10it was nothing else
00:32:11that a committee
00:32:12business
00:32:12which has never
00:32:13threatened the institutions
00:32:14judgment
00:32:15which becomes definitive
00:32:16because when it arrives
00:32:17the Court of Cassation
00:32:18the crimes
00:32:19have already been
00:32:20all prescribed
00:32:32from the point of view
00:32:33judicial
00:32:34Therefore
00:32:34the propaganda lodge 2
00:32:36it's nothing else
00:32:37that a lodge
00:32:37Masonic blanket
00:32:38a private association
00:32:40like many others
00:32:41but
00:32:42there are those who don't think so
00:32:43in this way
00:32:43the commission
00:32:45which I presided over
00:32:46he said
00:32:47that P2
00:32:48it was an organization
00:32:49who tried
00:32:51within
00:32:52of the institutions
00:32:53to check
00:32:55to condition
00:32:56political life
00:32:58of the country
00:32:59December 9th
00:33:00of 1981
00:33:01the Parliament
00:33:02vote for the constitution
00:33:03of a commission
00:33:04parliamentarian
00:33:05of investigation
00:33:05on P2
00:33:06to preside over it
00:33:07it is called
00:33:08a woman
00:33:08a parliamentarian
00:33:10Christian Democrat
00:33:10what is called
00:33:11Tina Anselmi
00:33:18the Honorable Tina Anselmi
00:33:20he is not a character
00:33:21very well known
00:33:22she was a partisan
00:33:23then elementary school teacher
00:33:24and trade unionist
00:33:25she entered
00:33:26in democracy
00:33:27Christian
00:33:27Venetian
00:33:27and it was
00:33:28elected
00:33:28in Parliament
00:33:29where did he do it?
00:33:30part
00:33:30of some commissions
00:33:36he is not a character
00:33:37very well known
00:33:38the Honorable Anselmi
00:33:39but it has everything
00:33:40what you need
00:33:41to direct
00:33:41a commission
00:33:42difficult
00:33:42and it's important
00:33:43like that one
00:33:44he is a person
00:33:45for good
00:33:45it's decided
00:33:46and he doesn't look
00:33:47in the face
00:33:47to no one
00:33:48and so
00:33:49Here you are
00:33:50this woman
00:33:51at Palazzo San Macuto
00:33:52which is in the heart
00:33:53of Rome
00:33:53he introduced himself
00:33:54the first time
00:33:55to all journalists
00:33:56without telling
00:33:57not much
00:33:58without saying big things
00:33:59he only said
00:34:00starting tomorrow
00:34:01I think we'll see each other
00:34:03Often
00:34:03because I am
00:34:04president of this
00:34:05commission of inquiry
00:34:06and I have every intention
00:34:08to clarify
00:34:09all the way
00:34:09how did it go
00:34:11things
00:34:11I have to
00:34:12to the Republic
00:34:13the meetings
00:34:15the commission meetings
00:34:15they are held
00:34:16at Palazzo San Macuto
00:34:17which often
00:34:18he is under siege
00:34:18from journalists
00:34:19one day
00:34:20Vladimir Settimelli
00:34:21of the unit
00:34:22he sees it coming
00:34:23Tinanselmi
00:34:23from a street
00:34:24with himself
00:34:25he has a bag
00:34:25rather bulky
00:34:26and then
00:34:27the journalist
00:34:27he asks her
00:34:28what's inside
00:34:29important papers
00:34:30which she brought
00:34:31At home
00:34:31maybe to study them
00:34:32all night long
00:34:33Tinanselmi
00:34:34opens the bag
00:34:35and shows him
00:34:36the content
00:34:36there is inside
00:34:37of the meat
00:34:38and there are
00:34:38some onions
00:34:39no cards
00:34:40he says
00:34:40it's gone
00:34:41to do the shopping
00:34:42but then
00:34:43enter Palazzo San Macuto
00:34:44and does its duty
00:34:45of president
00:34:46of the commission
00:34:47and he does it well
00:34:48the Anselmi
00:34:49she fought
00:34:50she fought
00:34:51like a lion
00:34:52I remember
00:34:53in the early days
00:34:53she had
00:34:54many letters
00:34:55of threat
00:34:56and many letters
00:34:57anonymous
00:34:58then I saw
00:35:00that one day
00:35:00it has changed
00:35:02completely
00:35:03because finally
00:35:04had begun
00:35:05to get to him
00:35:05hundreds
00:35:06thousands
00:35:07of letters
00:35:09of people
00:35:10that they were saying
00:35:12Anselmi
00:35:13you
00:35:13partisan
00:35:14go ahead
00:35:15you discover
00:35:16you discover
00:35:16these scoundrels
00:35:17these thieves
00:35:18come on
00:35:19go ahead
00:35:19and I remember
00:35:21once
00:35:21I took a taxi
00:35:22with her
00:35:23I was going
00:35:25somewhere
00:35:25and I took the opportunity
00:35:27I can come
00:35:27with her
00:35:28the president
00:35:29I went up
00:35:30and the taxi driver
00:35:31as soon as he recognized him
00:35:32he told her
00:35:33I'm moving on
00:35:33president
00:35:34and continue
00:35:35the parliamentary commission
00:35:36of investigation
00:35:37on the loggia
00:35:38Masonic
00:35:38P2
00:35:38continues his work
00:35:40for three years
00:35:40until 1985
00:35:52147 sessions
00:35:53with 198 hearings
00:35:54of witnesses
00:35:55and collaborators
00:35:5614 operations
00:35:57of judicial police
00:35:58and a mole
00:35:59of a few hundred
00:36:00of thousands
00:36:01of pages
00:36:01of documents produced
00:36:04before the commission
00:36:06former ministers parade
00:36:07generals
00:36:07magistrates
00:36:08bankers
00:36:09and financiers
00:36:09men
00:36:10of the secret services
00:36:11and institutions
00:36:12journalists
00:36:13these are not easy auditions
00:36:15not all people
00:36:16called to testify
00:36:18they collaborate willingly
00:36:19and some then
00:36:20they don't cooperate
00:36:21not at all
00:36:22this general
00:36:23he came there
00:36:24and he was made to sit down
00:36:26he sat down
00:36:27and it began
00:36:28to tell
00:36:29some things
00:36:29meanwhile he denied
00:36:30to be registered
00:36:32to P2
00:36:32etc.
00:36:33and that time
00:36:34I saw
00:36:35Tinan Selmi
00:36:36who lost his temper
00:36:38and he said
00:36:39Mr. General
00:36:40stand up
00:36:42she swore
00:36:43fidelity
00:36:43to the Republic
00:36:44how dare you
00:36:45to tell lies
00:36:46we here
00:36:49we represent
00:36:50the Republic
00:36:50we represent
00:36:51the people
00:36:52who elected us
00:36:52we represent
00:36:53democracy
00:36:54be ashamed
00:36:55be ashamed
00:36:57she did
00:36:57a double twist
00:36:58for the Republic
00:36:59and also
00:37:00to the isciorelli
00:37:01for P2
00:37:02she told
00:37:03lies
00:37:03he declares it
00:37:04an arrest
00:37:05go for 4, 5, 6 hours
00:37:07or as much as he wants
00:37:08to reflect
00:37:09the task
00:37:10of the Commission
00:37:10parliamentarian
00:37:11is to give an answer
00:37:12to some questions
00:37:13What is P2?
00:37:14what influence did it have?
00:37:16in democratic life
00:37:17of our country
00:37:18it has something to do with it
00:37:19with some bad ones
00:37:20events
00:37:21of our recent history
00:37:22yes because
00:37:23wrongly
00:37:24or rightly so
00:37:24the investigations
00:37:25on many massacres
00:37:26political murders
00:37:27and scandals
00:37:28they often end up
00:37:29to come across
00:37:30in liciogelli
00:37:30and some men
00:37:31of his lodge
00:37:32there really is
00:37:33the dark shadow
00:37:34of the P2
00:37:34on Italian mysteries
00:37:36the main answer
00:37:37I think we have to give
00:37:39is to understand
00:37:41to know
00:37:41if Gelli's power
00:37:44it was also
00:37:45the power of P2
00:37:46and if the power
00:37:48of Gelli's P2
00:37:50it was an occult power
00:37:52capable of influencing
00:37:55and to direct
00:37:56the life of our country
00:37:57more than legitimate power
00:38:00of those who have had
00:38:01the representation
00:38:02from the people
00:38:02to direct
00:38:04and to decide
00:38:05for life
00:38:05of our country
00:38:07Gelli and the P2
00:38:08they appear
00:38:09in the Italicus
00:38:10they appear
00:38:11in the massacre
00:38:12of Piazza Fontana
00:38:14they appear
00:38:15in some
00:38:16great facts
00:38:18cheap
00:38:19I'm inside
00:38:20the problem
00:38:21from the Corriere della Sera
00:38:22Therefore
00:38:23Here you are
00:38:23understand
00:38:24meanwhile
00:38:25there are scandals
00:38:26economic and financial
00:38:28in which
00:38:28some of the people
00:38:30present
00:38:30in the lists
00:38:31of the P2
00:38:32they are involved
00:38:33from the investigations
00:38:34as for example
00:38:35the oil scandals
00:38:36that explode
00:38:37in the mid-70s
00:38:41one of the 30 sealed files
00:38:43found during the search
00:38:45from Castiglion Fibocchi
00:38:46leads to the header
00:38:47just one of those scandals
00:38:48the scandal
00:38:49Eni Petroli
00:38:52but there are scandals
00:38:53more complex
00:38:54with more disturbing implications
00:38:55and more intrusive protagonists
00:38:57why lie on it
00:38:58his black shadow
00:38:59it's crime
00:39:00organized
00:39:01it's the mafia
00:39:03Michele Sindona
00:39:04he is a Sicilian financier
00:39:05very unscrupulous
00:39:07and very enterprising
00:39:08P2 card
00:39:091612
00:39:12Roberto Calvi
00:39:13Instead
00:39:14he is a banker
00:39:15which belongs
00:39:15to the Milanese Bene
00:39:16that of business
00:39:17and work
00:39:18P2 card
00:39:191624
00:39:21and also
00:39:22Umberto Ortolani
00:39:23card number 1622
00:39:25he is a banker
00:39:26very close
00:39:27in South America
00:39:27and to the Vatican
00:39:28Here you are
00:39:29according to the magistrates
00:39:30it's right through
00:39:31business
00:39:32of the private bank
00:39:32by Michele Sindona
00:39:33and above all
00:39:34through those
00:39:35of the prestigious
00:39:36Banco Ambrosiano
00:39:37directed by Roberto Calvi
00:39:39that passes
00:39:40the hidden economy
00:39:41of the P2
00:39:41its funding
00:39:43his operations
00:39:43abroad
00:39:44especially in Uruguay
00:39:45and in Argentina
00:39:46the river of money
00:39:47that feeds
00:39:48the dark shadow
00:39:49on Italian mysteries
00:39:50but they don't pass through
00:39:51just the money
00:39:52of the P2
00:39:52in the banks
00:39:53by Michele Sindona
00:39:54and by Roberto Calvi
00:39:59they also pass through there
00:40:00the money
00:40:00of the IOR
00:40:01the Vatican Bank
00:40:02administered
00:40:03with as much
00:40:04unscrupulousness
00:40:05from a priest
00:40:06Monsignor Paul
00:40:06Casimir Marcinkus
00:40:10and they pass through
00:40:11even the money
00:40:12what ours is
00:40:13the Sicilian mafia
00:40:14he wants to recycle
00:40:15it is indisputable
00:40:16the fact
00:40:16that in the 70s
00:40:17they are created
00:40:19of contiguities
00:40:20between sectors
00:40:22deviated
00:40:23of Freemasonry
00:40:24and mafia environments
00:40:26and what is known
00:40:27the fact that
00:40:27a mafioso
00:40:28of the caliber
00:40:28by Stefano Bontate
00:40:30he was affiliated
00:40:32to Freemasonry
00:40:33and at this stage
00:40:36Therefore
00:40:36the mafia
00:40:37uses
00:40:38Freemasonry
00:40:39to have
00:40:39a penetration
00:40:40in the environments
00:40:41of finance
00:40:42of the economy
00:40:43of entrepreneurship
00:40:44and also
00:40:45of the institutions
00:40:46it's an uncomfortable position
00:40:48that of Michele Sindona
00:40:49and by Roberto Calvi
00:40:50if they lose the money
00:40:52if they become dangerous
00:40:53for what they know
00:40:54they are not only at risk
00:40:55the failure
00:40:56or prison
00:40:56they risk their lives
00:41:03March 20th
00:41:04of 1986
00:41:05Michele Sindona
00:41:06locked up in prison
00:41:07from Voghera
00:41:08convicted of crack
00:41:09of his private bank
00:41:10and also for the murder
00:41:11of the lawyer
00:41:12Giorgio Ambrosoli
00:41:13the good man
00:41:14the bourgeois hero
00:41:15he has breakfast
00:41:16with a poisoned coffee
00:41:30June 17, 1982
00:41:32Roberto Calvi
00:41:33hidden in London
00:41:34to escape
00:41:35to the arrest warrants
00:41:36for the crack
00:41:36of the Ambrosian Bank
00:41:37he is killed
00:41:38and hanged
00:41:39under the bridge
00:41:40of the black friars
00:41:41in London
00:41:41to simulate a suicide
00:41:47in 1992
00:41:49Licio Gelli
00:41:49he is sentenced
00:41:50from the Assize Court
00:41:51of Milan
00:41:52at 18 years and 6 months
00:41:54for the crack
00:41:54of the Ambrosian Bank
00:41:5518 years old
00:41:56also in Ortolani
00:41:58reduced sentences
00:41:59at 12 years old
00:42:00from the Assize Court
00:42:01of Appeal
00:42:01in 1996
00:42:02and confirmed
00:42:04from the Court of Cassation
00:42:04in 1998
00:42:09then there are
00:42:10the attempts
00:42:10of a coup d'état
00:42:11like that
00:42:12that in December
00:42:13of 1970
00:42:14is organized
00:42:15from Prince Junio
00:42:16Valerio Borghese
00:42:21The bourgeois coup
00:42:23shoot in the night
00:42:24between the 7th
00:42:24and December 8, 1970
00:42:26when neo-fascists
00:42:27of new order
00:42:28national avant-garde
00:42:29men of Cosa Nostra
00:42:30and of the Andrangheta
00:42:31military departments
00:42:32of the army
00:42:32and the Forest Guard
00:42:34they enter the palace
00:42:35of the Ministry of the Interior
00:42:36and they get ready
00:42:37to occupy
00:42:38the headquarters of television
00:42:39to arrest
00:42:40a series of politicians
00:42:41kept under surveillance
00:42:42including the President
00:42:43of the Republic
00:42:44Joseph Saragat
00:42:47In the organizational chart
00:42:48of the coup
00:42:49according to the investigations
00:42:50of the magistrates
00:42:51the men registered
00:42:52to P2
00:42:52there would be many
00:42:53and the task
00:42:55to arrest
00:42:56the President
00:42:56Joseph Saragat
00:42:57according to the information
00:42:58of the secret services
00:43:00presented at the trial
00:43:01would have been entrusted
00:43:02own
00:43:02to Licio Gelli
00:43:04there is also the attempt
00:43:05of a coup d'état
00:43:06of the Wind Rose
00:43:07of spring
00:43:08of 1973
00:43:11and then there is the so-called
00:43:13white coup
00:43:14designed by the count
00:43:15Edgardo Sogno
00:43:16in August 1974
00:43:17which he would like to impose
00:43:19also in Italy
00:43:20a presidential republic
00:43:22like that of De Gaulle
00:43:23in France
00:43:27To find out
00:43:28adverse plots
00:43:29and projects
00:43:30of a coup d'état
00:43:31in other countries
00:43:31there are the secret services
00:43:33there are also some in Italy
00:43:34naturally
00:43:34but in those years
00:43:35many men
00:43:36of the services
00:43:37and above all
00:43:37many executives
00:43:39they are registered
00:43:39at the P2 lodge
00:43:48The shadow
00:43:49by Licio Gelli
00:43:50of some members
00:43:51to P2
00:43:51on financial scandals
00:43:53on coup attempts
00:43:54but the magistrates
00:43:56and the members
00:43:56of the parliamentary commission
00:43:57they also take
00:43:58under consideration
00:43:59acts of terrorism
00:44:00and the massacres
00:44:01which have characterized
00:44:02the history of Italy
00:44:03in the 70s
00:44:04the years
00:44:05of the strategy
00:44:06of attention
00:44:11December 12th
00:44:12of 1969
00:44:13in the headquarters
00:44:14of the Agricultural Bank
00:44:16of Piazza Fontana
00:44:17in Milan
00:44:17a bomb explodes
00:44:18which kills 17 people
00:44:20and wounds 89
00:44:40After false leads
00:44:41delays in investigations
00:44:43conflicts of jurisdiction
00:44:44and real red herrings
00:44:46more than 30 years
00:44:47of investigations
00:44:48and processes
00:44:48they won't succeed
00:44:49to condemn someone
00:44:50down that road
00:44:51But the final sentence
00:45:08even if it doesn't send
00:45:09no one in jail
00:45:10He talks about cover-ups
00:45:11by
00:45:12of our own
00:45:13information services
00:45:18The tops
00:45:19of the secret services
00:45:20of those years
00:45:21they were composed
00:45:22entirely
00:45:23by men
00:45:23P2 members
00:45:24from the generals
00:45:25Malletti and Miceli
00:45:26to Captain Labruna
00:45:27to Federico Umberto D'Amato
00:45:28who directed
00:45:29the civil secret service
00:45:34Then there are other bombs
00:45:35that between 74
00:45:36and the 75
00:45:37they explode on trains
00:45:39especially in Tuscany
00:45:45A series
00:45:46which has its peak
00:45:47with the one that explodes
00:45:48on the Rome-Munich express
00:45:49of Bavaria
00:45:50Italicus
00:45:51at the height of San Benedetto
00:45:52Sambro Valley
00:45:53between Bologna and Florence
00:45:54killing 14 people
00:45:56and wounding 22
00:45:59The magistrates' suspicions
00:46:01they orient themselves
00:46:02on a group
00:46:03of Tuscan neo-fascists
00:46:04that in the end
00:46:05of the usual
00:46:05very long process
00:46:06of processes
00:46:07they will be acquitted
00:46:11With regard to
00:46:13the attacks
00:46:13and that
00:46:14of the Italicus
00:46:14in particular
00:46:15the parliamentary commission
00:46:17of investigation
00:46:17holds responsible
00:46:19Licio Gelli
00:46:20and some of the men
00:46:21P2 members
00:46:22not from the point of view
00:46:23judicial
00:46:24but from the historical one
00:46:25political
00:46:25which essential
00:46:27background
00:46:27moral
00:46:28economic
00:46:29and organizational
00:46:30that is, to have inspired
00:46:31funded
00:46:32and organized
00:46:33And then there's another bad one
00:46:34very bad episode
00:46:36to which they are tied
00:46:37Licio Gelli
00:46:37and some
00:46:38of the members
00:46:39to his lodge
00:46:39another bomb
00:46:40the one at the station
00:46:42from Bologna
00:46:42of August 2nd
00:46:431980
00:47:0485 deaths
00:47:05and more than 200 injured
00:47:06that blow up
00:47:07in the waiting room
00:47:08second class
00:47:09while they wait
00:47:09the train
00:47:10on the first track
00:47:11in the buffet
00:47:11of the station
00:47:12or in the square
00:47:13in front of
00:47:16for that massacre
00:47:17they were sentenced
00:47:18with final sentence
00:47:20the extremists
00:47:20right-wing
00:47:21Joseph Valerio
00:47:22Fioravanti
00:47:22Francesca Mambro
00:47:23and Luigi Ciavardini
00:47:24starting from the early hours
00:47:26subsequent
00:47:27to the massacre
00:47:27from Bologna
00:47:28these happen
00:47:29red herrings
00:47:30I repeat
00:47:30and they will continue
00:47:31for years and years
00:47:33the most serious
00:47:35that's what happens
00:47:38five months later
00:47:39the massacre
00:47:39when on the train
00:47:41Taranto Milan
00:47:42at the station
00:47:44from Bologna
00:47:45is found
00:47:46a suitcase
00:47:48containing
00:47:49a machine gun
00:47:51two
00:47:52tickets
00:47:54of travel
00:47:55and explosive
00:47:57of the same
00:47:59conformation
00:48:00of the one used
00:48:01on the occasion
00:48:02of the massacre
00:48:02of August 2nd
00:48:03it's a red herring
00:48:04to move
00:48:05the investigations
00:48:06on the so-called
00:48:06international track
00:48:07which should bring
00:48:08to a German terrorist
00:48:09and to a French one
00:48:10to put the bag
00:48:12on the train
00:48:12he was a petty officer
00:48:13of the carabinieri
00:48:14on order
00:48:15of the colonel
00:48:16Joseph Belmonte
00:48:17and his superior
00:48:18the general
00:48:19Peter Musumeci
00:48:20who commands
00:48:20the security office
00:48:21of the earthquakes
00:48:22P2 card
00:48:23number 1604
00:48:27Niciogelli
00:48:28he is sentenced
00:48:29with final sentence
00:48:30in 1995
00:48:31at 10 years old
00:48:33for having misled
00:48:34the investigations
00:48:35on the massacre
00:48:35of the station
00:48:36from Bologna
00:48:37together with him
00:48:38they are condemned
00:48:39also Francesco Pazienza
00:48:4010 years
00:48:41General Musumeci
00:48:438 years and 5 months
00:48:44and Colonel Belmonte
00:48:467 years and 11 months
00:48:53it's them
00:48:54which made it difficult
00:48:55and partly prevented
00:48:56the assessment
00:48:57of the truth
00:48:57on death
00:48:58of 85 people
00:48:59and the wounding
00:49:00of more than 200
00:49:09all these presences
00:49:10all these relationships
00:49:12all these coincidences
00:49:13they ask themselves
00:49:14the magistrates
00:49:15and the members
00:49:16of the parliamentary commission
00:49:17presided over
00:49:18by Tina Anselmi
00:49:18I'm just a case
00:49:20it's just because
00:49:21the P2
00:49:22it is so extensive
00:49:23in important sectors
00:49:24of the company
00:49:25that however you turn around
00:49:26and you come across
00:49:26in one of its members
00:49:27or it exists
00:49:29a common project
00:49:30there is a plan
00:49:43because among the documents
00:49:44seized
00:49:45Alice Gelli
00:49:45a project
00:49:46an idea of ​​Italy
00:49:48there is
00:49:50in July 1981
00:49:52when Licio Gelli
00:49:53he is still a fugitive
00:49:54chased by mandates
00:49:55of capture
00:49:56of the deputy prosecutors
00:49:57Turone and Colombo
00:49:59Gelli's daughter
00:50:00is stopped
00:50:01at Fiumicino airport
00:50:02customs control
00:50:11in the background
00:50:12of the suitcase
00:50:13of the daughter
00:50:13by Licio Gelli
00:50:14there is another document
00:50:15very important
00:50:22is called
00:50:23revival plan
00:50:24democratic
00:50:25and lists
00:50:25a series of reforms
00:50:27goals
00:50:27call the plan
00:50:28of the State
00:50:29of politics
00:50:30and of Italian society
00:50:31and it is in that period
00:50:33that Gelli
00:50:34definitely in concert
00:50:35with the Americans
00:50:36and with a series of environments
00:50:38Atlantic politicians
00:50:39put this project down
00:50:41which is a project
00:50:42of taking power
00:50:44in Italy
00:50:45which comes to fruition
00:50:46in many respects
00:50:47to place men
00:50:49within the institutions
00:50:50of the main parties
00:50:52of the newspapers
00:50:53open the television market
00:50:55to external subjects
00:50:56at RAI
00:50:57which then
00:50:57it will happen punctually
00:51:00have men
00:51:01in finance
00:51:02create a political system
00:51:04presidential in style
00:51:06with some vein
00:51:07even of an authoritarian nature
00:51:10the premise of the plan
00:51:11insists above all
00:51:13on a word
00:51:13democratic
00:51:14and specific
00:51:15which is not understood
00:51:16subvert the established order
00:51:18or move
00:51:18outside the constitution
00:51:20but
00:51:21the tone
00:51:22and above all
00:51:22the contents it expresses
00:51:24they make you think
00:51:25to something different
00:51:32especially when
00:51:33to the list of objectives
00:51:35which are the democratic parties
00:51:36the unions
00:51:37the press
00:51:38the government
00:51:38and the Parliament
00:51:39follow the indication
00:51:40which would be sufficient
00:51:42no more than 30-40 billion
00:51:44to allow
00:51:45to some men
00:51:45of good will
00:51:46and well selected
00:51:47to access
00:51:48to the positions
00:51:49necessary
00:51:50for their control
00:51:56the Rizzoli family group
00:51:58has a large number
00:51:59of periodicals
00:52:00that in 1974
00:52:01wants to increase
00:52:02with the purchase
00:52:03from the Corriere della Sera
00:52:11the effort though
00:52:12it's big
00:52:13the Rizzoli group
00:52:14he took the longest step
00:52:15of the leg
00:52:15and gets full of debt
00:52:16when getting loans
00:52:18but
00:52:19the financiers
00:52:20they back out
00:52:21and the banks
00:52:22many directors
00:52:23I'm from P2
00:52:23they don't fit
00:52:32it is then
00:52:32who come forward
00:52:33the liciogelli
00:52:34and some
00:52:35of the members
00:52:35to his lodge
00:52:36like Roberto Calvi
00:52:37who brings the money
00:52:38of the Banco Ambrosiano
00:52:39and Umberto Ortolani
00:52:40which brings those
00:52:41of the IOR
00:52:45I think that
00:52:47the Ambrosian
00:52:47he had in his hand
00:52:48the threads
00:52:49that held up
00:52:50life
00:52:51of Rizzoli
00:52:52if I had
00:52:54said no
00:52:55the Ambrosian
00:52:55would have continued
00:52:57in his
00:52:59let's say
00:52:59in his brutal
00:53:00aggression
00:53:01to the company
00:53:02carrying her
00:53:03to the consequences
00:53:04extreme
00:53:04Angelo Rizzoli
00:53:05the owner of the group
00:53:06enters P2
00:53:07and everything is resolved
00:53:08even if practically
00:53:10the boards of directors
00:53:11of Rizzoli
00:53:12and of the Corriere della Sera
00:53:13they pass through the hands
00:53:15of men
00:53:15of the P2
00:53:16new collaborators arrive
00:53:18many of which
00:53:19they are registered in P2
00:53:19while for other journalists
00:53:21of different orientation
00:53:22life gets difficult
00:53:28it seems like entire topics
00:53:29current affairs
00:53:30but they are not in line
00:53:31with interest
00:53:32some friends of liciogelli
00:53:33they disappear from the newspaper
00:53:34there's the world cup
00:53:36of football
00:53:37in Buenos Aires
00:53:39is called
00:53:40Biagi
00:53:40he is preparing
00:53:41his journey
00:53:42but then
00:53:42he calls it beautiful
00:53:43the director
00:53:44and tells him
00:53:44look, though
00:53:46you can't write
00:53:47other than football
00:53:48of the matches
00:53:49Biagi remains
00:53:51a little perplexed
00:53:52he says but I
00:53:53I know that in Argentina
00:53:54I'm in progress
00:53:55some dramatic things
00:53:56how do I do it?
00:53:57not to see that
00:53:58moral of the story
00:53:59Biagi refuses
00:54:00it doesn't work
00:54:01it also arrives
00:54:02Licio Gelli
00:54:03on the Corriere della Sera
00:54:04October 5, 1980
00:54:05on the third page
00:54:07and in great evidence
00:54:08is published
00:54:09an interview
00:54:10by Maurizio Costanzo
00:54:11P2 card
00:54:121819
00:54:13in which
00:54:14Licio Gelli
00:54:15he exposes his vision
00:54:16of Italian politics
00:54:17and his wishes
00:54:18for the country
00:54:19interview with Mr. P2
00:54:21the discreet charm
00:54:22of power
00:54:23that's what it's called
00:54:24the interview
00:54:24from outside the newspaper
00:54:26was arriving
00:54:27a note
00:54:29a ladder
00:54:29as we call it
00:54:30journalists
00:54:31the director
00:54:32he was calling
00:54:32an editorialist
00:54:34innocent
00:54:35for the truth
00:54:36who was an extender
00:54:37of these concepts
00:54:38there were two or three folders
00:54:39which were developed
00:54:41to prepare
00:54:43a piece of land
00:54:44at a turning point
00:54:45in the authoritarian country
00:54:48the operation
00:54:49from the Corriere della Sera
00:54:50shows that
00:54:51the P2
00:54:52he wanted
00:54:53to do politics
00:54:54it is not purchased
00:54:55a header
00:54:56of the value
00:54:57from the Corriere della Sera
00:54:59if you don't have them
00:55:00political objectives
00:55:01to reach
00:55:03the parliamentary commission
00:55:04of investigation
00:55:05on the Masonic lodge
00:55:06P2
00:55:06chaired
00:55:07from the Honorable
00:55:08Tina Anselmi
00:55:08closes his works
00:55:10in 1985
00:55:11the questions
00:55:12to answer
00:55:13there are many
00:55:14and they are difficult
00:55:15one above all
00:55:16What is P2?
00:55:18a secret association
00:55:20as he says later
00:55:21in the final part
00:55:23the P2 commission
00:55:24which promotes
00:55:26in the various ganglia
00:55:28fundamentals
00:55:29of state life
00:55:30of economic life
00:55:31and military life
00:55:33men
00:55:34that were supposed to be
00:55:36suitable
00:55:37to take power
00:55:39and to direct it
00:55:40the judgment
00:55:42of the relationship
00:55:43majority
00:55:43signed by Tina Anselmi
00:55:44it's very hard
00:55:45underlines
00:55:47the absolute relief
00:55:48that the P2 lodge
00:55:49he covered
00:55:50in the events
00:55:50of national life
00:56:01a phenomenon of breadth
00:56:03and exceptional gravity
00:56:05which acted
00:56:05according to a complex
00:56:06political plan
00:56:07that fit
00:56:08plastically
00:56:09to the situation
00:56:10official policy
00:56:11a cynicism
00:56:12of works
00:56:13and projects
00:56:14which acted
00:56:15according to the Anselmi commission
00:56:17following the maxim
00:56:18Pardesca cat
00:56:19that you need
00:56:19that everything changes
00:56:20because everything
00:56:21stay as it was
00:56:22This
00:56:22according to the report
00:56:24of the commission
00:56:24naturally
00:56:29Diciogelli
00:56:30he's at his house
00:56:30at Villa Vanda
00:56:31under house arrest
00:56:33pending
00:56:34of the sentence
00:56:34of cassation
00:56:35on the crack
00:56:36of the Banco Ambrosiano
00:56:37and others too
00:56:38proceedings
00:56:38that concern him
00:56:39like that
00:56:40for the diversion
00:56:41for the Bologna massacre
00:56:45one evening in April
00:56:47of 1998
00:56:48Liciogelli
00:56:49he's going to dinner
00:56:49in a luxurious restaurant
00:56:51near Castiglion
00:56:52Fibocchi
00:56:52together with his family
00:56:54then get into the car
00:56:55and disappears again
00:56:56no problem
00:56:57from the moment
00:56:58that his house arrest
00:57:00they are not supervised
00:57:01from no one
00:57:03it also appears
00:57:04a photograph of him
00:57:05which seems to make one think
00:57:06that is located in Belgrade
00:57:07in Serbia
00:57:08but it's a red herring
00:57:10actually
00:57:11it's in Cannes
00:57:12in France
00:57:13where the French police
00:57:14in collaboration
00:57:15with the Italian one
00:57:16he arrests him
00:57:16in October
00:57:17of 1998
00:57:18Good evening
00:57:19from Tg2
00:57:20had disappeared
00:57:20just over 4 months ago
00:57:22exactly on May 4th
00:57:23today the arrest
00:57:24in France
00:57:25on the French Riviera
00:57:26Liciogelli
00:57:26ends up in prison
00:57:27in San Vittore
00:57:28but there's little left
00:57:29he is sick
00:57:30he says
00:57:31he says it
00:57:31also a press campaign
00:57:33they want to kill him
00:57:34in prison
00:57:35headline
00:57:35the daily newspaper
00:57:36the nation
00:57:36Like this
00:57:37Liciogelli
00:57:38is transferred
00:57:39in the hospital
00:57:39and then
00:57:40at his house
00:57:41at Villa Vanda
00:57:42where recently
00:57:43celebrated his 90th birthday
00:57:58now Liciogelli
00:57:59he is a free citizen
00:58:00which has been fully paid
00:58:01his punishment
00:58:02almost all of it
00:58:03at his house
00:58:03he writes his poems
00:58:05cultivates his relationships
00:58:06and holds
00:58:07a column
00:58:08on a private TV
00:58:09in which he comments
00:58:10the history of Italy
00:58:11past
00:58:12is present
00:58:12the story of Liciogelli
00:58:14once protagonist
00:58:15and now witness
00:58:17of a story
00:58:18on which
00:58:18like many other characters
00:58:20of Italian mysteries
00:58:21which we have already heard
00:58:22he can say whatever he wants
00:58:24and he says it
00:58:24without there being any
00:58:25a denial
00:58:26or a reaction
00:58:27the story of Liciogelli
00:58:28it ends here
00:58:33the doubts though
00:58:34and the questions
00:58:35they remain
00:58:36the first doubt
00:58:38this is it
00:58:38what was it
00:58:39Exactly
00:58:40the propaganda lodge 2
00:58:41I began to wonder
00:58:43if instead
00:58:43the P2
00:58:45it wasn't
00:58:46a center
00:58:46of radiation
00:58:47of altransism
00:58:48Atlantic
00:58:49and then
00:58:50of an anti-communism
00:58:51visceral
00:58:52a way that is
00:58:53with whom you circulate
00:58:54Neighbor
00:58:54to intelligence
00:58:55American
00:58:56they were looking for
00:58:57to influence
00:58:57the events
00:58:58policies
00:58:59economic
00:58:59Italian
00:59:00in a logic
00:59:02but coherent
00:59:03to logic
00:59:04imperial
00:59:04of the United States
00:59:05and then
00:59:06in operation
00:59:06anti-communist
00:59:07another question
00:59:08but then
00:59:09it really was
00:59:10Liciogelli
00:59:11and only
00:59:11Liciogelli
00:59:12the boss
00:59:13of the P2
00:59:13the commission
00:59:14he has an idea
00:59:15and explains it
00:59:16with a metaphor
00:59:16geometric
00:59:17the P2
00:59:18was described
00:59:19like a pyramid
00:59:20a structure
00:59:21pyramidal
00:59:22at the top of which
00:59:23there was
00:59:24Liciogelli
00:59:24and that however
00:59:26presupposed
00:59:27another pyramid
00:59:28upside down
00:59:29not well defined
00:59:31and placed
00:59:32the question
00:59:33whose it was
00:59:34the low vertex
00:59:35of the inverted pyramid
00:59:36and then
00:59:36the interface
00:59:37by Gelli
00:59:38But it's difficult
00:59:39to name names
00:59:40give ratings
00:59:41I believe
00:59:42that can be done
00:59:45the only name
00:59:46which emerged
00:59:47then it wasn't
00:59:48naturally
00:59:49supported
00:59:50from sufficient evidence
00:59:51that's it
00:59:52by Andreotti
00:59:53that is, the wife
00:59:54of Calvi
00:59:56he declared
00:59:57at a certain point
00:59:57that Andreotti
00:59:58he was the real master
01:00:00of the P2
01:00:02but it is in doubt
01:00:04that if you read
01:00:07the revival plan
01:00:09the revival plan
01:00:10it is written
01:00:11by politicians
01:00:14institutionalists
01:00:16economists
01:00:17that were supposed to be
01:00:19at that moment
01:00:20integral parts
01:00:22of the parties
01:00:23most important
01:00:24who governed
01:00:25the country
01:00:26Our story
01:00:28of shadows
01:00:28it can only end here
01:00:29it's precisely because
01:00:30it's a story
01:00:31of shadows
01:00:31that hide
01:00:32that confuse
01:00:33and that make you lose
01:00:34all points of reference
01:00:36even to magistrates
01:00:37and also to the investigators
01:00:38everyone
01:00:39except one
01:00:40common sense
01:00:41what he puts
01:00:42the facts in a row
01:00:43and that also
01:00:44in this strange story
01:00:45of lists
01:00:46and powers
01:00:46of generals
01:00:47and plans
01:00:48of plots
01:00:49and crimes
01:00:50in the end
01:00:50Perhaps
01:00:51it makes us understand something
01:00:52and above all
01:00:53it reminds us
01:00:55and crimes
01:01:44Thank you all.
01:02:01Thank you all.
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