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00:00I certainly played the song Buckeye for my daughter when we finished the demo of it and
00:04me and my wife and her listened and you know there was some tear shed it was cool it was
00:07a
00:08really emotional moment um to you know write this song and you know it had a lot of different vibes
00:13to it. Rock, metal, frog and everything in between. Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with
00:20Meltdown. Don't forget to follow the audio only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:26And now it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown. John and I just talking here like uh
00:32like like on the phone or something but uh yeah which we do. Yeah with kids kids sports and all
00:39sorts of stuff. How you doing there? Good brother how are you? Good how does it feel to release a
00:43record? Ah it's a rad accomplishment you know it's a nice achievement all these years later and
00:49anytime you do it you feel like all right we did it. It's it's a little daunting because um and
00:55you
00:55know you know as a parent it's it's kind of like watching your kid grow up and like take those
00:59first couple steps and um or at this point it's like watching you for me it was watching my kid
01:05get his first car and making sure he doesn't hope he doesn't crash but um but yeah you know because
01:10you're you're so close to making a record you're you're writing it you're recording it you're demoing
01:15you're doing all the things and then at some point when it's complete and you have the artwork and
01:20everything's done and you're mastered you gotta let it go and then that is then it's up to the
01:24public and then it's and then it's theirs it's no longer yours it's theirs which is great of course
01:29but um you know it's all you need is one bad reveal and you're like ah well it's funny it's
01:36like you know hey john what is your favorite song where they're like my kids i love them all well
01:39i
01:39have a favorite kid so i'm just kidding yeah right no you can't i mean that's why i was saying
01:43that to
01:44somebody recently about um choosing albums or whatever like that i'm like you can't i can't because
01:49it's like picking your favorite kid but and i mean every i want every record to feel different
01:54you know that's really our goal in armored scene at least is to um is to try to like make
01:59every
01:59record kind of be a snapshot of time during that time when you were writing it right and every year
02:05is different certainly it's different now i mean when punching the sky last one came out it was 2020
02:10it was covid so it was a very different time so um you know and then you know obviously 1984
02:15was a
02:16long time ago i'm a lot different time it looked a little different but uh you know embrace it
02:21yeah you know um before we get into the record here i just saw it say that you're going out
02:25on tour
02:25mostly in the middle of the country in the west coast with uh with um with the guys from metal
02:31church that's cool it's gonna be great you know those guys are really cool dave ellison's in metal
02:35church now kurt and us go way back and we've done some shows again we're going to do some in
02:40europe and
02:40it just made sense they have a new record and and we're both kind of from the 80s so it
02:45just is very
02:46logical for us to do some stuff they're actually playing they've already committed to doing some
02:50east coast and a couple midwest shows okay and that's why we can't go back to those areas too soon
02:56because they had or they'll have already just played it so yeah that's right i think metal church
03:00is gonna be coming through here yeah dave uh i texted him when i was talking to you and he
03:05wanted me to
03:05say hello first of all and he said he said you sang out one of his songs in 1993 i
03:10did i sang it you
03:11know i did a demo with dave you know i don't remember what was it was 93 that okay so
03:16i guess
03:16it was maybe i was i was obviously probably in anthrax at that point um but he asked me to
03:23do
03:23like this demo that he was doing and i was like yeah sure i'll come over and do it i
03:27think i felt like
03:28i was recording it in his apartment or somebody's apartment so and this was a long time ago prior to
03:33you know having people having pro tools and all that stuff so i don't recall where exactly the
03:40scenario was but um it was a fun song and he put it out on like one of his solo
03:44albums or something
03:45um and dave's great you know i've known dave for a long time and we do the metal legion sing
03:50together
03:50and you know he's just a no frills guy out there he's a great dude obviously yeah if you were
03:55god
03:55that was the song you if you were god that's right yeah it was his tune i just sang it
04:00but it was
04:00cool it was fun yeah the metal legion thing you wanted me to ask you about that so how much
04:04fun
04:04is is doing is doing that that's kind of just a loosey-goosey thing yeah it's it's pretty loose
04:09you know it usually is uh in conjunction with the nam show every year in anaheim and um i have
04:15we have
04:15done other shows including we did rock and real which was uh off the charts i mean that was you
04:20know
04:20insane probably one of the biggest shows i've ever played so um that was kind of a rare thing but
04:26um usually like i said it's a show in in association with the nam fest uh convention
04:31every year in anaheim but it's fun you know it's it's it's a bunch of different guys we play a
04:36combination of some cover tunes and some original tunes because they've made a couple records and
04:42you know everybody's just a veteran so you know whether it's skolnick or you know mike portnoy or dave or
04:48andreas from sepultura and you know phil demo you know it's just a bunch of rad musicians
04:54getting together you know nobody's got egos chuck billy you know you name it where everybody's just
05:00a bud you know and it's a lot of fun and the fans are always into it yeah well the
05:05record came out
05:06emotion factory reset and um of course that that that phrase is dropped during the uh the first song
05:12uh close to the bone which talk about a ripper to open up an album holy crap yeah it's cool
05:20i mean
05:21it's i guess we were thinking you know if somebody hadn't heard armored saint before or ever um or
05:26recently you know what would what should we kind of introduce them with and uh close to the bone
05:31felt like the appropriate song so you know it sounds like vintage saint but it sounds like saint that
05:36came out you know 26 so um that's really kind of the objective always is to make something sound
05:43kind of modern but without you know changing the style and the sound of the band we're not trying to
05:47imitate you know a band that just came out in the last couple years because that would be dumb
05:52quite frankly um and we you know we want to do our thing but we want it to sound modern
05:58in the sense
05:59that you know it just sounds like it came out now and i think we achieved that so was there
06:03ever a
06:03point in the recording process where you're like no this kind of sounds like this or you're to change
06:08it up or any of the guys you know bring other ideas or uh like like lars one time said
06:14this sounds
06:14too stock too stock that's great that's funny well you got to check yourself you know especially when
06:21you've been around for a long time and you've been you've written a lot of songs and for me it's
06:24it's making sure i'm not um repeating something you know repeating a lyric hence or um repeating you
06:31know a melody that maybe appeared like on an anthrax record that i did or you know anywhere you know
06:38whatever so like it's i i'm always going does that sound familiar or even sounding like another band
06:45obviously um so i think that's the key when you when you've written a lot of songs you you want
06:50to
06:50make sure that it sounds unique to the to the circumstances so um that's the important thing um i
06:57think we're pretty honest with anything we do in armored saint and joey vera you know he's an awesome
07:02producer and songwriter and orchestrator and um he's very you know he's militant to some degree
07:10and a little bit of a control freak which you kind of have to be when you're a leader of
07:13the band and
07:14um and so he's just very meticulous in the way he does things and um he's calling everybody out
07:21including himself and we're just making sure that you know it's the highest quality and pushing the
07:25boundaries i mean we want to challenge our fan base you know we want to say hey we incorporated
07:31this sound on this song we think you can swallow it here it is you know or you know this
07:37arrangement
07:38is a little bit unusual we think it works you know we're doing it so we're not asking people's
07:44permission we're just making you know we're writing songs but but in the end you want to make sure
07:48people can can relate and um it seems to work out well we tried to make songs a little shorter
07:54on this
07:54album um it was kind of requested by a record company metal blade they're like come on man you know
08:00it's a little shorter and it would be great to have like it all in one vinyl so we're not
08:05like
08:05because you know two vinyls cost more money and it's just not cost effective so um i think we were
08:11able to do that and but yet still kind of have these kind of it sounds like elaborate arrangements
08:16at times but it really isn't so um that's you know the the little the little twist uh one of
08:22the songs
08:23i thought that stuck out by its um diversity or maybe it stuck out just by just how different it
08:29was was uh ladders and uh ladders and slides yeah yeah it's a cool song and you know it has
08:35almost
08:36like this rival sun feel to it which is a great band i love that band jay is an awesome
08:40singer
08:41um and um you know it's it's it's not like armored saint has always kind of had these kind of
08:48bluesy
08:49um extensions of things we did i mean it goes back to over the edge of delirious nomad that was
08:54very
08:55bluesy and um you know a song like the truth always hurts which was on simple salvation so i don't
09:01think
09:01it's a stretch for us i mean we love that kind of thing we're you know the blues are important
09:05to us
09:05and we're really a bluesy garage band at really at our core um you know we're metal band and we're
09:11hard rock band of course but you know we we can do that and we can pull it off and
09:15joey and gonzo are
09:16like this great rhythm tandem where they can you know they can they just groove you know they can
09:21really groove and a little different from the average bass player and drummer because you know they
09:25they like you know r&b and they like you know jazz fusion and stuff that like helps kind of
09:32influence sometimes the style so you know it's not a stretch it's a cool song it's kind of has these
09:38kind of big holes in the verses and um you know i played a little bit on the on the
09:44game a little bit
09:45but i flipped it you know just kind of trying to be creative and then there was there was two
09:50songs
09:50on this record and i was curious if they're about anybody you don't have to even say who they're
09:55about if you don't want to but one was uh it's a buzzkill and the other one was bottom feeder
09:59seemed like those were aimed at someone well they're probably always aimed at somebody i just
10:05can't reveal that who it is okay um no no i mean buzzkill um we had the title and we
10:12thought it was
10:12cool but i didn't want to just write you know an obvious logical song lyrically about like oh you
10:19know you're you're it's a buzzkill man because you know i was high and now it's a buzz i wanted
10:25it to
10:25kind of do something with it so i thought okay if you're in a like budding romance and um it
10:31feels
10:31like it's going good and then somebody kind of ends it then that's a buzzkill right you know so i
10:36was
10:36trying to like play a little bit more on the lyrics than the obvious thing so it was kind of
10:40more a
10:40little so slightly it's not about anyone in particular um but but it's kind of based on that
10:46and then um bottom feeders is kind of funny like during covid um all these um it's a big thing
10:52here
10:53in southern california i don't know about in the midwest probably here and there um these like um
10:58street takeovers and um and you know a bunch of guys will get these cars and they'll get you know
11:04put out this social media press release and we're going to be at this intersection you guys come and
11:10we're going to surround the neighborhood and um we're going to do donuts and drive like maniacs and
11:15and danger people um and people have gotten hurt and killed actually at some of them and it was
11:21crazy because we could hear it from our backyard because for some reason fairfax and pico was an
11:26area that they wanted to take over consistently which is like around the corner from my house here
11:32and you would hear it because we'd be in the backyard eating and you hear the sound and it's
11:36hearing burning rubber you know i'm sure people are race car fans you know they hear it but
11:42it's a crazy weird sound that kind of gets into your spine and it makes you kind of uncomfortable
11:49you know when you hear this like it was weird so um you know it was just it kind of
11:55it kind of i
11:56don't know of course that kind of stuff it gets into me and then i'm like i gotta write about
12:00it so
12:00i kind of i kind of i wrote about it slightly negatively towards these people who i think are
12:08you know kind of doing things that are probably fun and i'm trying to like go okay i get it
12:13this is
12:13fun doing donuts you know being you're driving like a maniac filming it i'm not that old to say
12:20you know i could see how it's fun but it's also really dangerous and maybe you should do it in
12:24a
12:24place where it's kind of open and like there's not a bunch of people watching who would get hit by
12:28a
12:29rim that flies off and kills them you know which happens so um so that kind of is where that
12:34song
12:35originated and then it you know it kind of grew from there a little bit but it's a cool song
12:39it has
12:40almost like this ramstein militant kind of feel to it which was very different for armor and say
12:47and uh one of the other songs i want to ask you about too um obviously hit a moonshot's been
12:51out
12:51for a little bit uh but one was one song which i have a little bit of an issue with
12:54is the song guy
12:57like is you're from michigan or you're from new york technically well i've been here in michigan
13:02more than half of my life so i kind of consider myself a michigander so it's over 30 years so
13:07yeah yes well don't take it personal anybody in the midwest um there's that song is very personal
13:12actually it was about when my daughter actually chose to go to college and she ended up going to
13:16a school called pinion which is in ohio so that was the reason why i kind of said okay let
13:22me let
13:22me tackle this you know emotion that's happening here with me and because it's like it was some
13:27jubilation of like she achieved going to college and i'm sad she's leaving and i'm kind of you know
13:33i have some anxiety and various emotions um the song is really cool it has almost like a zeppelin
13:39feel to it at times and um has a rad slide guitar solo that jeff did and um and you
13:46know i just
13:46wanted to equate something with the state of ohio so because that's where she went so you know the
13:51tree is famous and hence the name and you know those double state buckeyes and blah blah blah blah blah
13:57but uh yes don't take it don't don't don't don't hate on it because you're from michigan or
14:02illinois or indiana or pennsylvania well i think it's it's ohio michigan thing that you know of course
14:08i don't know if you know this but you know when we play them in football in college you know
14:12they
14:12will cross off every letter m on whatever it is it's like you know they won't even use the word
14:16letter m you know that's how bad it gets that's hilarious well i mean i you know we're obviously big
14:22sports fans we talk about it often but um you know i love that kind of stuff when it's at
14:27least
14:27not done in some kind of like i don't know hateful way or although sometimes you know what are you
14:35gonna do i mean you know like i mean you know you might stuff kids i guess gets hostile yeah
14:41yeah
14:41well you mentioned your daughter and uh yeah obviously your son you know he's still back with
14:46you he plays hockey and whatnot um my kids don't give a crap really about what i do or at
14:51least they don't
14:51show me do you play this stuff for them or do you do they ever listen to armored saint stuff
14:56do you
14:56ever run anything by him or say what do you think about this i mean i certainly played the song
15:00buckeye
15:01for my daughter when we finished the demo of it and me and my wife and her listen and you
15:05know there
15:06was some tear shed it was cool it was a really emotional moment um to you know write this song
15:10and
15:11you know it had a lot of different vibes to it so um certainly did that um my son used
15:16to be more
15:17into what armored saint did as a matter of fact and as early when he was a little tiny
15:21four-year-old five-year-old he came out on stage and with a fake guitar and he actually sang
15:26can you
15:26deliver with me and um it was pretty awesome and and he was really into it and then eventually
15:31something happened and he just kind of lost interest so um you know whatever it's all it's
15:36all good i mean he you know obviously he's a sports fan he plays hockey we discuss that all the
15:40time your son does too and you do too and um you know we you know it's anything that you're
15:47just
15:47passionate about i think that's the key um that's what i really want for my kids and um you know
15:52for
15:52myself is to just be into it you know you're just passionate and then you know music fans are
15:58i mean especially metalheads i mean you know man they're they're so passionate that they will bluntly
16:03tell you that this is terrible i don't like it especially in europe you know i the new album john
16:09yes
16:09uh i bought it okay what do you think um i do not like it as much as the last
16:14one you know that's
16:15my german accent right there but but they're always just like you're like okay well all right you know
16:21cool but like you know like anybody who's passionate about anything in sports and music i feel like
16:27there's a lot of correlations you know they're into it and um you know as long as you die hard
16:32about
16:32something i think that's the important thing you just don't want to be some kind of
16:35you know ambivalent person that's just you know that's no fun yeah we've talked about it many
16:41times like i always let my kids to you know discover what they wanted to like so you know
16:44my daughter's a country music fan and i don't know my stuff you know yeah i saw him play baseball
16:48yesterday and all this other stuff so uh how much was uh left on the floor how much do you
16:53have for
16:53another record and did you guys use it all up a good question we had about three other songs that
16:58we
16:58demoed um i don't know why those didn't make it i guess you know they they i guess we didn't
17:03feel they
17:03were as good realistically again in all honesty or that maybe they didn't fit we had this cool kind
17:08of ballad thing but um i feel like we've done that on the last couple records so i was and
17:13it was
17:13sounding a little similar so i was like we don't let's not do that on this album so and joey
17:18agreed
17:18but um yeah there's a couple things you know maybe they'll rear their head i don't know i don't know
17:24people don't you know they used to be the singles and 45s and you know it's not quite like that
17:30anymore
17:31but but you know maybe we'll do something like that actually metal blade did for the european
17:36release of the version of the record they included the song one shane don't make no prison that we put
17:42out about a year and a half two years ago which is a cover of the four top song and
17:46um we made a video
17:47for it and everything and they put that on a 45 but it was only for europe um and it
17:51was really cool
17:52actually because we were signing a bunch of records because we were just there and and you know it kept
17:56falling out because it's a 45 year old one so they drop it but it was really cool so i
18:00mean
18:01we could do something like that i don't know yet what but um yeah you know it's hard when you
18:08when
18:08you lift over tracks and then you come back whenever you're ready to make another record
18:12usually you listen to those songs again and go well maybe there's a reason we didn't use them you know
18:18yeah yeah i've done that before too left something recorded like not music obviously and then you come
18:23back to you're like i'm not sure if that's great we do that but yeah yeah sometimes time will do
18:29that
18:29but uh yeah the record is out of motion factory reset right now 48 minutes of the saint and uh
18:37man
18:37just a killer record killer artwork by the way too tell me about that yeah it was it was cool
18:42i guess
18:43we're getting some people that were saying is you know he he was a legitimate artist i think there
18:48is some ai stuff in there as far as digital things but um but he's a true artist the guy
18:53did
18:53his name was dd king european dude um and i actually might be from england i don't remember
18:59it but um in any case i like the idea we we were like talking and we wanted a night
19:05as like okay
19:05you know granted armored saint the night we got it but you know um but you know my whole thing
19:10was like
19:10well it's got to be different though we can't like number one is the cover march of the saint is
19:15such
19:15an iconic cover for us that we nothing is going to be the same as that it was just amazing
19:20and the way
19:21it all kind of happened so and we've done a couple things in conjunction with t-shirts blah blah blah
19:26but so we had the title and then the idea of like kind of combining this industrial world with this
19:34kind of like you know when you think of the night in medieval times obviously pre-industrial
19:40you know part of society or whatever and um combining those i thought was kind of cool although
19:46it doesn't really make sense because there were well i mean i guess you could think of heck you
19:51could think of hockey players in a same well there is the golden knights right so i mean so i
19:56mean
19:56again some of these warriors or military guys you know they're kind of modern knights to some degree so
20:01um and you know they're modern but you know i like the idea of this kind of industrial background
20:08with the factory and um with this night it kind of just like i said it kind of encompasses two
20:13different times and so i thought that was kind of in creative and different yeah i love the darkness
20:19of it it has a certain vibe to it too and uh i don't mean that negatively i'm like i
20:23just love that
20:24kind of vibe you know album covers are fun you know and you want to have this really cool and
20:30creative
20:30album cover and the kind of thing that people want to look at and go back to the vinyl thing
20:34and
20:35you know there's nothing to me there's nothing like vinyl and and um you know something to look at
20:40and you know it kind of just really brings the music together so um it always has and um you
20:47know
20:47that to me is why i love still buying records so we just talked uh before we started actually when
20:52we started about this uh about this uh the the metal saint tour coming up here in the fall what
20:58else you got going on for 2026 anything big during the summer coming up well we we're going to europe
21:03we're doing about three weeks in europe starting at the end of july we're doing some dates with some
21:08various bands metal church being one we're doing some dates with the testament um which will be
21:12great because you know chuck and alex are friends of ours and and then we were doing some stuff with
21:17a couple shows with sabotage which would be cool because they were a great band back in the day that
21:21kind of still continued on in europe and were really big in europe but didn't quite have the same
21:27status in america but um great band incredible band um and then nevermore which is another band that
21:34world was the original singer passed away but they have a new guy who apparently sounds great and
21:38um so uh we're doing some shows with those bands in various places poland uh sweden um and then we're
21:46doing a slew of uh festivals is where we're playing the alcatraz festival which i always get excited about
21:51when we play because they have a it's it's it's connected to this like big basketball court so every
21:56time i go there the first thing i do is i find a ball and i start shooting loops that's
22:00great game yeah
22:01at like 9 a.m i get up there and i go and i start just shooting around so i
22:06will do the same when i
22:07get there but it's a great festival one it's grown and um and we're playing brutal salt which is another
22:11rad festival in the czech republic it's has like it's kind of on these old prison grounds which are
22:17really cool it's old you know it's very old and so you know a combination of these cool shows uh
22:23with
22:24these other bands and then some festivals so it'll be a lot of fun and then we come back in
22:28november
22:28and do the dates with metal church um and you know i'm sure we have we got to get back
22:33to the
22:33midwest and east coast so we'll we have some plans that aren't quite defined yet but that'll happen in
22:4027 okay you know we've we've saw i've sat and watched your son play hockey and we've talked about
22:46hockey and um i've told this to many a parent out there but i said you will never know when
22:51you are
22:51in the best situation of your son's hockey career or your daughter's until you look back on it you go
22:57oh that was a great year but you don't know really when you're in there because there could
23:01be a better year coming it could be worse whatever so looking back on your career now that you've had
23:0540 plus years what what was what was like some of your best years and what would you change if
23:10you
23:10could uh well i'm actually pretty accepting of the way my career has gone quite frankly and there's
23:18certainly been a lot of twists and turns um you know i just i guess it's just my own personal
23:24thing i mean last thing i want to do is like have some hang up or be bitter about anything
23:28because that's just what good is that going to do for anybody right let alone me um you know never
23:33quite got to that certain level of fame i guess is um is a reality um that i accept um
23:41that being said
23:42i mean i think i have a great reputation in the heavy metal world i always you know and this
23:47isn't
23:47what was me but i always make the joke that probably people will really come to appreciate armor
23:52saying and john bush wants i'm dead and i don't and i mean that and i'm so i mean and
23:58i'm not saying
23:59it like you know oh you know oh john you get you'll you'll be okay that's not that but it's
24:05just kind
24:05of i think it's there's some truth to it but um yeah you know i i think i'm pretty accepting
24:11of it
24:11all you know here we are all these years later still making really cool legitimate music and touring
24:16and playing and i'm in my 60s i think that was the thing we wanted is longevity um and that's
24:21the
24:21thing that you could probably control to some degree because you can't control fame i mean how
24:25are you gonna you know for all the amazing bands out there so many of them so many people don't
24:31even
24:31know about them and yeah you know like there's a handful of bands that really achieve that level
24:36of success that's like insane right um metallica iron maiden you know you know whatever i mean there's
24:43there's corn you know the system of a down whatever but really for all those bands there's probably
24:48another 100 per band if not more than nobody really knows that much about so um and that's the
24:55major that's the nature of the music business and you know you got to go into it because you love
24:59it
24:59and you love music and that should be the primary source and um and that's kind of what we did
25:05so i'm
25:05pretty accepting i mean i was a little bitter because it took us a while to get to europe it
25:09was a couple
25:09bad business decisions in the 80s so yeah as we kept on doing tours in america with choir riot and
25:17metallica and saxon and you know the hell on wheels tour or you know with halloween and grim reaper
25:23every one of those tours we didn't go to europe and we were one of the few bands that didn't
25:27and it was piss me off and it and you know it was a terrible decision by the label and
25:32i was on the
25:33cover of crane magazine i was like i'm on the cover here and shouldn't we go to england and like
25:39they're like well we're concentrating on america i'm like i'm on the cover
25:44like what do you need so like that was that kind of that was one little thing that in my
25:51career
25:51i was kind of annoyed about and i held down to it for a bit but we've been to europe
25:56a bunch of times
25:57since i let it go yeah well what year did you actually finally break through well we didn't
26:01actually play on european soil till we played the dynamo festival in 1989 so that was like six years
26:07after our our first three records and ep came out so we were way behind at that point and i
26:13mean look
26:13our music is you know i'm proud of being from la and we certainly you know we were part of
26:18the lac in
26:18the 80s and even though we sounded a little different but the reality is you know sometimes
26:23we sound like a band who were straight out of you know birmingham and england that is and um for
26:28us to
26:29not go there all those years we just we lost a lot of time and i really thought we would
26:34have been
26:34bigger even in europe than we were in the states so we didn't really get a chance to do that
26:38so
26:38we were always trying to make up for lost ground but you know like i said we we've been to
26:42europe
26:42many many times and i i can't use that as a you know any kind of excuse it was in
26:47the 80s but it's
26:48gone now yeah well if it makes you feel any better i've never been to europe so well dude you
26:53got to go
26:54brother you got to go you got to create a tour yeah yeah the meltdown tour to start a band
27:00or
27:00something that's right you died no you're such a great dj and you have such a great voice and you
27:06know thank you that's nice of you to say so uh last thing here for you um i know that
27:12you did
27:12a few of those anthrax dates last year i think i heard you talking about this is there anything in
27:16the future would you do that again or something maybe maybe expand it a little bit or anything
27:19like that well we're doing the milwaukee metal fest that's actually the last show that's next weekend
27:24actually and it's going to be fun saints playing the day before then then we're doing the uh the john
27:28bush thing and um it's going to be really cool it's exciting you know i loved those my time in
27:34anthrax we made some really killer records together and um you know for a long time that that music
27:40was kind of you know it was gone basically and um you know i i never felt too good about
27:48it because
27:48it was like 12 years of my life i didn't want it to just be erased but um i get
27:53it i understand you
27:54know anthrax has a new record now they have a new song and you know they're touring right now in
27:59europe and um so you know i get all the logistics behind it but in terms of actually like there
28:05was
28:06a period of time when those records weren't even available and it was like can it's hard enough to
28:11compete with your own band with the success that they had in the 80s can my records at least that
28:16i
28:16made with the band at least be available somebody wants to buy one you know that's is that asking too
28:21much and for a while wasn't and and but now they are and the megaforce records re-released them and
28:27it's great they did some cool packaging added bonus tracks what have you and um so it was the right
28:31time to do those dates i did the three they were amazing people were really fired up now we're
28:36playing my walking metal fast i would like to go to europe at some point with it because i played
28:41many many tours with anthrax not only of europe and japan and south america and these are all places
28:46that i played so yes i would like to do that it has to kind of coincide with you know
28:51this
28:51armored same record and the timing just has to be right but i i definitely think it you know there
28:56will probably be more shows to happen well dude always great talking to you john um the new record
29:01like i said emotion factory reset is out right now and uh i guess we'll see you here next time
29:05you're in
29:05in detroit i'm not sure that's gonna be but yeah thanks for all the love you came to my son's
29:10game
29:11that was really really kind of you i owe coming to one of your beer league games and i will
29:16be there
29:16dude on the ice on the glass pounding for you now i want to support you you'll be the only
29:21one there
29:22and everyone will be like that's okay i'll have the place to myself and um you know thanks for all
29:27the love you give us lots of love appreciate it check out talking rock with meltdown on all podcast
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29:35you
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