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Natalie Cassidy: Caring Together - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:01I'm Natalie Cassidy and I was lucky enough to land my dream job aged 10 on
00:06hit BBC soap opera EastEnders. I've only ever had one job but I've always wondered
00:11what I would have done if I wasn't an actress. Now I'm a mum in my 40s, I've
00:17left Albert Square and I'm ready to embrace a new challenge. Day one at
00:21college, can't quite believe it. Doing something I've always wanted to do,
00:26training to be a carer. I'm absolutely petrified but I am determined to do it
00:31well, give it the best I've got and see what happens. With an aging population
00:36it's estimated that over half of us will need care in our lifetime. I'm absolutely
00:41shattered, it's hard getting old. At a time when there's a shortage of care workers
00:45I'll be heading back to the classroom. Mummy's first day back at school. And
00:50gaining on-the-job experience on placements. Over. Go, go, go. I'll hear people
00:55stories first-hand. Life's not fair. Life's not fair, generally, is it? Share their
01:01heartache. It must be such a tough job for you. And determination. See the real
01:06difference in people's lives that you can make. I just hope I've got what it takes
01:09to care for people from their first days to their last moments.
01:25The first few weeks of college, I've sort of put the homework to one side. But there's
01:31a lot to do. I think because I haven't learnt for such a long time, I don't know if I'm
01:36doing it right. But now I feel I am putting it off. And I think the reason I'm doing that
01:41is because I am scared of failure. But I just need to put my big girl pants on and get
01:45on
01:45with it. Eliza? Yeah? Can I ask you something? Yeah. What I've realised is I haven't always
01:52got my laptop out. Yeah. And I always use my phone for everything. You sit here. I need
01:57you to put the team on my phone. Oh, fine. I have given Eliza a hard time in the past
02:03about homework. But oh, how the tables have turned. Now I'm like, Eliza, can you help me?
02:08So this is your assignment? Yes, I know that. So when your teacher puts a new assignment on,
02:12it pops up here. She's been revelling in the fact that I have homework to do, that I've
02:18been putting off. This is what I mean. It's really made me think about how I treat Eliza at home.
02:23And it has changed family life, which I never thought it would. But the way I respect Eliza.
02:29You can make folders. Doing it myself has really made me realise how hard she works. And sometimes
02:35you shouldn't give them too much of a hard time. And I think before doing this college
02:39course, I did give her a hard time. Today, the course is looking at the brain, starting
02:48with the teenage years, the exact stage of all my classmates. So we are going to be looking
02:54at teenage mental health today. Have a go at writing a definition for mental health.
03:00According to the World Health Organisation, one in seven 10 to 19 year olds experiences
03:05a mental health condition. I would say it's the emotional wellbeing of mind. Anxiety is the most
03:14commonly reported issue among teenagers and older children. So we said mental health is
03:21something that everyone has. OK, lovely. Sometimes there is a misconception that mental health is
03:26poor mental health and mental health conditions, which isn't the case. It's difficult to say
03:32what causes mental health problems, but we can think about different factors that influence
03:38our mental health. Panic with financial issues. Panic about financial issues. We do know from research,
03:46people who are struggling with their financial situations are much more likely to have poor
03:52mental health. Leila? Social media. Yeah, definitely. People live their lives through pictures now,
03:59don't they? Yeah. What impact do you think that has though? Not a good one. You know, I'm a teenager
04:04myself and I've seen firsthand how social media and online has a massive, massive impact.
04:12Have you ever had a really crappy day and taken a picture and put it on social media?
04:16Probably not. But we've all had a great day and we thought, oh, I'm going to show the world that.
04:21So what is the difficulty of us doing that, particularly on young people?
04:27Sets expectations. Like your life needs to be perfect and you can't have any issues.
04:32Yeah, because we're only seeing a fraction of their lives and the impact of that can be really detrimental.
04:38Olivia? Bullying. Bullying, yeah. There is evidence that people who experience bullying are much more likely
04:45to experience mental health difficulties. Cyberbullying is scary. During lockdown, I had a social media page
04:53where I would post videos of myself and just about celebrities and stuff, what was going on in the world.
04:59And I loved doing it. Lots of people started to share their opinions about what I was making,
05:05even to the point that I had a hate page made about me, for me to eventually find out that
05:09it was actually someone at school.
05:10But they decided to hide behind a screen and continuously make accounts to tell me they didn't like me
05:15or they didn't like my content. You don't know how many people out there genuinely believe what this person is
05:20saying.
05:21It has definitely had an effect on me where I don't create as much creative videos anymore.
05:25And it took away that hobby of mine.
05:29Being a mum of a girl only a couple of years younger than you, I think it is harder for
05:35you.
05:35Because, for instance, in my generation, I know what it was like to not have that.
05:40It was introduced at a much older age, so my brain was fully developed.
05:44I don't know what that must feel like for you.
05:46So that's a really good point that Natalie's picked up on, is our brain development.
05:50So at what age does our brain fully develop?
05:53Science is going to be different for different people.
05:55But at the age the majority of you are today, your brains are not fully developed.
06:00And yet you have to see information that isn't always true and make your own decisions and life choices based
06:08on that information.
06:10As well as understanding mental health, as carers we must be able to recognise when people might be struggling.
06:16What would indicate that somebody is struggling with their mental health?
06:21Poor hygiene.
06:22Yep.
06:23Personality change.
06:24Mood changes.
06:26Mood changes.
06:27Weight gain, weight loss.
06:29Give only like marks or phrases.
06:31Yeah.
06:32Yeah.
06:33The amount of people who are using self-harm as a way of coping with the difficulties that they're experiencing
06:39has increased,
06:41particularly with younger people.
06:42So definitely as a practitioner you're going to be looking out for indications of that.
06:47And our responsibilities at this stage of our career are to report it to a specialist who can get them
06:54the right support.
06:55So one last activity that I'm going to ask you to stand up and move for.
07:01It's also vital that carers prioritise their own wellbeing.
07:05In 2024, a survey of more than a thousand NHS workers found that over 75% had experienced a mental
07:12health condition.
07:14Is the cup of water heavy?
07:16Not really.
07:17No.
07:17This cup of water is representing our emotional wellbeing.
07:21And to start with, it doesn't feel that bad.
07:23But looking after people can be really difficult and take a toll on our emotional wellbeing.
07:29How does it feel now, Olivia?
07:30Oh no, it's quite heavy.
07:31Now it's quite heavy?
07:33Imagine if you were holding this cup out in front of you for a week.
07:36Mm-hmm.
07:37Imagine if you were holding it for a month.
07:39The longer we hold on to our stress, the longer we hold on to our emotions, the heavier it feels.
07:46And the more of a toll it takes on our bodies.
07:48I just thought that was a fantastic analogy.
07:50You can have all these problems, and it may just seem like a little tiny bit of day.
07:54But if you don't share and you don't offload, that becomes really, really heavy.
07:59And you just won't be able to deal with it anymore.
08:01These are just some things to get you to think about these things a bit more.
08:05OK?
08:05Thanks a lot.
08:08It really makes me think about the carers and how they look after themselves.
08:12I think we all think self-care is a treat when it's a necessity.
08:18And this course is really helping me think I'm going to have half an hour.
08:22Self-care is very, very important.
08:26It's been a really, really eye-opening day, because I'm sat talking about teenagers.
08:31And I have one at home.
08:33So Eliza's been in my head constantly.
08:35And I already really worry about her, but it does bring it all to the forefront.
08:40I had a lovely day today at the college.
08:43Did you?
08:43Yeah, it was really interesting.
08:45It was all about teenage mental health.
08:47And that's really good.
08:48It was really good.
08:49You haven't had any, unless you've hidden it from me.
08:53Any what?
08:54Sort of trouble when it comes to social media.
08:57Never had any trouble with it.
08:59Now, you are a good girl, but you know that I worry.
09:01Yeah, I know you do, but you've got nothing to worry about.
09:04Oh, you say that.
09:05I mean, when I was your age, probably a bit younger than you,
09:09I remember a review in a paper, and someone called me a beached whale.
09:18You may laugh now.
09:20No, but it wasn't very nice.
09:22I was 12, 13.
09:23Terrible.
09:24And a grown man.
09:26That's awful.
09:27Yeah.
09:27That has always stuck with me.
09:29As much as I've got very thick skin, I know that affected me
09:32because I've never forgotten it.
09:33Aunty Linny phoned up the paper.
09:35Did she?
09:36She spoke to the editor.
09:37Go on, Aunty Linny.
09:38She said, how dare you, as a child.
09:41I had a lot of those things happen.
09:43I feel like you, today, you guys have got that continuously.
09:47I used to come home from school, and yes, you'd talk to maybe your best friend
09:50or what have you, but you weren't looking at what are people up to.
09:54Do you have any of that?
09:55No, I get that.
09:55I get that.
09:56So I feel like you have got it harder.
10:00To me, it is no surprise that teenage mental health problems have gone up.
10:05The world is a much bigger place than when I was a teenager.
10:09I never knew if, I don't know, three friends went out and they went to the cinema
10:13and they didn't invite me.
10:15I never knew about that.
10:17I might have found out a couple of days later and by then it was old news.
10:20Whereas now, everything is so immediate and everybody is documenting everything.
10:24And that is very, very stressful for a teenage brain.
10:28I think it is probably the biggest worry as a parent now.
10:33Definitely.
10:34I love you.
10:35Love you, Mummy.
10:36Love you.
10:39I mean, we just want the best for our children so they grow up safe and happy and they thrive.
10:44In Northern Ireland, there is a place helping young people with additional needs to do just that.
10:51Hello everybody.
10:53Hi.
10:53All busy, busy today?
10:55All busy?
10:56Former nurse Tina saw a need in her community for a place where young adults who need extra
11:02support could learn important life skills.
11:04I'm just going to get my gloves on and get stuck in here this morning.
11:09In 2012, she set up the A Space 2 Factory Floor Restaurant and Catering School to deliver a unique
11:16training programme in hospitality, equipping students like Chloe for potential jobs in catering and retail.
11:22We're just getting ready for lunch here now.
11:25And Chloe, you've been with us now for a few months.
11:27Yeah.
11:27And you're doing really, really well.
11:29Are you enjoying it?
11:30Yeah.
11:30It really helps me at home as well to learn how to come out.
11:33What about you, Niamh?
11:36Getting me confidence, making me friends, doing things I hadn't done before.
11:45Do you not feel it just when you come in here?
11:47It's a hive of activity.
11:48We have trainees coming from the age of 18 to whatever.
11:52There's no cut-off point.
11:53We have approximately 16 trainees dedicated to catering.
11:57So, in order to make that catering meaningful, we have an operational coffee shop.
12:02It's a full menu.
12:03It's designed by the trainees and staff.
12:06Sandwiches, chips, chicken boujons that are made fresh.
12:10Isn't that right over there, she needs?
12:11And just made with a sprinkle of love.
12:14Made with a sprinkle of love?
12:15Oh, aye.
12:15I'm sure that's what it's all about, isn't it?
12:17Exactly.
12:19Stephen, how are you doing today?
12:21Good.
12:22What are we up to?
12:23Negative cappuccino.
12:24Stephen, how have you grown since you've come to ArtSpace?
12:28Like, before I started, I wouldn't speak to anybody.
12:30I was mute.
12:31Well, not mute, but not very talkative.
12:35Couldn't do customer service.
12:36Couldn't even work the till.
12:37Now everything's second nature to me.
12:40Good.
12:40I feel better here than I do at my house.
12:44It's opened a lot of doors for me, so...
12:48As I say repeatedly...
12:52You see, I'm gonna start.
12:54And I don't know why I get emotional, but I always do.
12:56But if I have a down day or a day that I'm not feeling amazing,
13:01and I think that's normal,
13:04I have to come down and spend some time with the trainees.
13:06You know, we're all one team, we're all people,
13:09and there's no differentiation.
13:10And that reminds me why I'm here,
13:12because the need is huge and the need is not going away.
13:16There's a huge demand for people-centred.
13:20Isn't that right?
13:21Yeah.
13:21People-centred, age-appropriate day services in the community.
13:26And there's a lot more work to be done.
13:28Tina is such an inspiring woman.
13:31There are so many places that I never knew existed,
13:34and this college course is such an eye-opener for me.
13:38And I'm not only learning about what people need,
13:40or learning about care,
13:42I'm learning about these amazing people and places
13:45that are helping everybody through.
13:50So I'm feeling very proud of myself this morning,
13:53because last night I sat down, got my books out,
13:57opened the laptop, and I actually did some work.
14:00So, and it was brilliant.
14:02You know, once you get going, I was there for a good few hours.
14:06And learning about mental health and wellbeing
14:08and looking after yourself and all those things at the moment,
14:11I just thought not opening the laptop and just ignoring it
14:16is not good for my mental health at all.
14:19So, today we are carrying on with the brain,
14:23and this is all about neurodiversity.
14:26And this is a subject I don't really know a lot about,
14:28and I'm really looking forward to getting stuck in, actually.
14:35The term neurodiversity applies to naturally occurring variations
14:40in the brain that affect the way people think, learn,
14:43and interpret the world around them.
14:45My name's Chris. I work for the charity SPACE,
14:49the charity that supports neurodivergent children
14:52and their parent carers.
14:55The term covers a group of conditions,
14:57including autism, ADHD, Tourette's syndrome,
15:01dyslexia, and dyspraxia.
15:03When you hear the term neurodiversity,
15:05what does it mean to you?
15:06Spectrum.
15:07Spectrum, yeah, absolutely.
15:09I think all the words on your T-shirt, you know, they all come up.
15:12Autism, ADHD.
15:13Yeah.
15:14And if you want to hazard a guess at what an NT is, go on.
15:17I want to say neurotypical.
15:19Fantastic. Ten points to you, Elliot.
15:20Yeah, NT is neurotypical,
15:21because there is no such thing as a normal brain.
15:24Normal is a setting on a washing machine.
15:26It can't be a person's brain.
15:27But you do get neurologically typically developing brains.
15:31It doesn't mean it's the best type.
15:32It just means it's the most common type.
15:35In the UK, it's estimated that one in seven people are neurodivergent.
15:40Roughly one in 100 are autistic.
15:43There's two ways that you can define autism.
15:45The first came from a textbook.
15:47Autism is the informal term for autistic spectrum disorder,
15:50a cluster of mental dysfunctions that's characterised by extreme self-absorption,
15:55lack of empathy, repetitive motor activities,
15:57and the impairment of language and conceptual skills.
16:02Gosh.
16:03Gosh, yeah.
16:04How do you feel when you hear that?
16:06Yes.
16:06I don't like it.
16:07Completely agree, yeah.
16:08It's just very negative.
16:09It's wrong as well.
16:10It's inaccurate.
16:11I actually got diagnosed five months ago now with autism.
16:15It makes me worry, what if people think that about me?
16:18My diagnosis definitely taught me a lot about myself that I didn't realise.
16:23There's traits I had of it growing up that I didn't get help for that do affect me now.
16:29Like, I do struggle to maintain friendships.
16:31So, doing something like coming to college is really fun and enjoyable and I get on with everyone,
16:38but I always find myself the next day being really burnt out.
16:42That's something that I didn't understand before and since having the diagnosis,
16:46I now understand that I just need that extra time to recuperate and charge my social battery
16:51and then I'm back to being myself.
16:55It definitely helped me understand myself more and also understand other people as well
17:00because at the end of the day, autistic people are people.
17:03They have feelings, they have emotions and everyone just shows them differently.
17:08Now, at space we much prefer the second definition.
17:11Autism is a neurological difference that means autistic people perceive,
17:16process and understand the world in ways that are different to non-autistic people.
17:20Although autistic people share similar characteristics, no two autistic people are the same.
17:25How do you feel after hearing the second definition?
17:27It's much better.
17:28Much more accurate.
17:29It's person-centred, it looks at strengths and it's true as well.
17:33Chris squashed a lot of stereotypes.
17:35You know, in my course, a couple have diagnoses.
17:39They are such amazing people and they have amazing empathy skills.
17:44Culture's changing and that brain diversity is being celebrated more and more.
17:49It's the neurodiverse community that are the most likely to not accept it when people say,
17:54that's the way we've always done it.
17:56Because why should we keep doing it the same way?
17:58And that contributes to a progressive society and that's certainly one that I want to be a part of.
18:03There are around 700,000 autistic people in the UK.
18:07Around 70% may experience mental health problems in their lifetime.
18:12So getting the correct diagnosis and support is crucial to their wellbeing.
18:17The waiting list in Hertfordshire at the moment for a diagnosis of autism is somewhere in the region of two
18:22to three years in some places.
18:25And if you think about small children, that's a really long time.
18:28Children with neurodiverse conditions often have a different way of processing the world around them.
18:33Sensory differences.
18:35So if you're oversensitive to your sense of sight, things like overhead lighting might be like looking at the sun.
18:42So for some people, every day can feel like going to a big supermarket on a Saturday afternoon when it's
18:48really busy.
18:49People everywhere, your personal space, the music and the light, really hard to process that for some people.
18:54Whatever job you get within the care system, you are going to come across neurodivergent children and adults.
19:01So learning about it is a must.
19:04And thank you ever so much for spending your afternoon with me. It's been a pleasure.
19:07Thank you so much.
19:08For even a simple situation, like breaking a bone, to go into an x-ray room, someone touching your arm,
19:15manoeuvring you around.
19:17That is going to make a neurodivergent person feel very panicked.
19:20So I found it really beneficial.
19:26So I'm really excited about my placement today because I'm going to meet Chris again, who I met in college
19:31from the charity space.
19:33And I'm going to be with neurodiverse children and their families at an allotment.
19:40So I'm not sure what to expect.
19:43I'm a little bit nervous about using the right language.
19:46So I really want to think about what I learned in class and take that with me.
19:51But yeah, really excited.
19:53I absolutely love placements.
19:55It's all very well sitting in a classroom and listening to someone talk about it.
20:00But when you are out in the environment and you're watching the care happen and you're watching the effect it
20:07has, that's where you learn.
20:10I've come to the charity's headquarters in Hertfordshire.
20:13Hi Chris.
20:15How are you doing?
20:15How are you?
20:16I'm very well, thank you.
20:17Nice to see you again.
20:18Where they offer a wide range of activities, events and services that support neurodivergent children and their parents or carers.
20:27So you're going to be shadowing Mel today.
20:29Okay, great.
20:30Welcome.
20:31So what brought you to space?
20:33So I've got three children and yeah, they're all autistic.
20:36So I really wanted to kind of learn more about what was going on for them and how I could
20:40support them.
20:41Of course.
20:42So obviously learning and starting to get involved with it, starting to build my confidence was when I then asked
20:46to volunteer with space.
20:47I kind of felt that I was ready to give back some of the things that I'd learned and I
20:52wanted also other people to share from my experience so they didn't have the same kind of journey.
20:57Maybe I might make it a little bit better.
20:59For today's activity, the team are heading out to their allotment.
21:04We're going to be painting the crates down there.
21:06That's the activity that we're going to be doing.
21:08A sensory focused space where young people and families can enjoy fresh air.
21:13It's a nice day.
21:15It is a nice day.
21:16It's really nice.
21:16As well as learn responsibility, patience and reduce anxiety in a calming outdoor environment.
21:23There's five coming along today and it's a chance for people to bring their children.
21:27They can have a cuppa.
21:28Yeah, of course.
21:28The children have a little play.
21:30And I suppose, you know, just parents feel comfortable because they're in the same boat.
21:34Yeah.
21:34You're not going to a soft play where you might get a really ridiculous, not being horrible, but you do
21:39get judgmental people.
21:40We've all had those experiences.
21:42Yeah.
21:44Yeah.
21:55Yeah.
22:10Perfect.
22:11Are you happy to...
22:12Ariana is choosing our colours for our palette.
22:14Okay.
22:14Are you happy to ruin your nails and get stuck in?
22:16This is a beautiful colour.
22:18That is so neat.
22:19It's like there's still the odd one.
22:20It is, isn't it?
22:20So we're in a wonderful setting.
22:23Immediately your shoulders drop.
22:24It's calm.
22:25You're within nature.
22:27This place is a chance for their families to come along and do something that makes them
22:31feel really good.
22:33Is there something I can do to help you girls?
22:36You can do...
22:37You can do...
22:37What could I do?
22:38You can do that bit...
22:40What colour would you like it?
22:41Red.
22:42Do you mind if I'm in a chair?
22:43Yeah.
22:44They just kept looking at these families.
22:46We take so much for granted.
22:49Some of the children have had really difficult times with school, education especially.
22:54Making friendships.
22:56And you can tell how important and how crucial that allotment is for everybody there.
23:03It was quite breathtaking.
23:06And I heard you two became friends because you've got the same name?
23:09Yeah.
23:10Is that right?
23:11Yeah.
23:12That's cool, isn't it?
23:14Yeah.
23:15How old are you?
23:17I'm 11 turning 12 in two days.
23:22Okay.
23:22Oh, wow.
23:23Happy birthday.
23:24Oh, my God.
23:25Something I really picked up on is it wasn't just the children who really loved going to
23:30the allotment.
23:31It was their parents, their families.
23:34There you go.
23:35Great.
23:35That's my contribution.
23:37I'm going to have a cup of tea with a month.
23:38Lovely.
23:40So when you talk about the support that you've received from discovery to diagnosis, do you
23:45feel like you've all gone on a similar journey?
23:48I think probably what unites everyone is that at some point there's been a battle.
23:52Yes.
23:53A big battle.
23:54There's no book that you can read to tell you how to do it.
23:57No.
23:58No.
23:58You have to, you know, fight and find out as much information as you can.
24:03I think often it's little things like you go to all the kind of things that you do with
24:07a baby and you realise for some reason it's not working.
24:11Yeah.
24:11Like, why is she running around the room and crying and throwing the instruments and why
24:17is she so upset?
24:18And all these other children seem like they're really enjoying it and am I missing something
24:22here?
24:23And then the first time I went to space, Lana was immediately so happy there.
24:27It was the first place where I felt like everybody understood.
24:31And they made me a cup of tea and I cried and they said, this is completely normal.
24:34Everybody cries.
24:35Everybody cries.
24:38So, yeah.
24:40It just made me think about all of these unpaid carers again.
24:45Yes, they're parents and they love their children, but they didn't sign up to become professionals.
24:51And they find themselves right in the middle of it, loving their children, fighting for
24:56their children, but they're carers.
24:58Well, also as the kids get older, the activities decrease.
25:02I mean, she's 15 now.
25:04The activities that she would want to do would be with kids sort of five, six, and there's
25:10nothing available.
25:11You know when you're booking your appointments for school consultations and you're literally
25:14there pressing refresh, refresh?
25:15Yeah, yeah.
25:15It's like that for booking when the space stuff goes out because it literally sells out
25:19like that.
25:21Sitting in that allotment, sharing a cup of tea with those parents made me realise it's
25:26so important for neurodivergent families to be able to share their problems.
25:32You know, the weight of what they have to deal with every single day.
25:36They can't carry on their own.
25:39I honestly used to dread the summer holidays.
25:41Yeah.
25:42It is you all the time.
25:43So it's like constant for six weeks.
25:45So it's...
25:46Yeah, just existing.
25:48We've got about five minutes left.
25:51So finish up what you're doing and then we're going to come around and have a little snack
25:54and it'll be time to head home.
25:55Five more minutes.
25:56And that's gone quick, isn't it?
25:58Well, I've absolutely loved today.
26:00Thank you so much for having me.
26:02Aw, that's so nice to hear.
26:03I really mean it.
26:05It's just really opened my eyes.
26:07Fantastic.
26:08From being with you in the classroom to then coming out here, meeting the five beautiful
26:13girls, women, talking to their mums and dads and just seeing how... just how hard their
26:20lives are.
26:22Struggling to fit somewhere.
26:23But whenever they come to you, they know they're happy.
26:26Yeah.
26:26And they just get a minute to breathe.
26:28And they said they just absolutely love it.
26:30That's exactly what we want to do.
26:32But it sounds like they still need more.
26:33Always.
26:34They still need more clubs, more time, more things going on.
26:37So you've just got to get bigger I'm afraid, get grown.
26:40That's the plan, yeah.
26:40You've just got to do more classes.
26:42That's the plan, yeah.
26:42We will, we will.
26:46What advice would you give me if I'm working?
26:49What's really important is to make people feel comfortable and therefore they feel safe.
26:54Neurodivergence doesn't go away and it's an invisible disability.
26:58So just being patient and kind, could there be something else going on?
27:02And trying to understand why people do what they do.
27:06This has really made me take a step back.
27:10And I think I can take this forward in all my placements.
27:14And whatever area of care I go into, is to just not judge straight away.
27:19Don't take everything at face value.
27:21Just have a little think.
27:24You don't know everybody's stories.
27:27I'm in ever such pain.
27:28What's going on?
27:31How's that?
27:32I feel very well supported, albeit a little bit strained.
27:35You've got these two lovebirds, with all of their life in front of them.
27:40And that illness that Lisa has is only going to get worse.
27:44I'll get really upset with you.
27:49Oh, we're all good.
27:51No, it's okay.
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