00:00you're trying to gauge you know okay how does everybody else feel about this how do we feel
00:04about this what's the right tone what's the right temperature to take today yeah and then you hear
00:10that litany of what the was that from the calves it is one thing to go out there and get
00:17cornhold
00:18in two straight games in front of your home home crowd right we call that cornledo it's it's a
00:23suck it cornledo it's another thing to then go out there and say some of the dumbest and i mean
00:30most pathetic crap in the world from kenny atkinson who i guess the the monster stole his coaching
00:38powers like at no point whether you believe it to be true or not at no point should you ever
00:44utter the
00:45phrase well it's really analytically we're up to one in this series at no point should you say that
00:51when you get james harden little common sense for you buddy um maybe maybe five seconds out of the
00:57strip club might help you with this one all right i know you live in a different world than the
01:00rest
01:00of us join me on this one this little excursion together maybe just maybe after you got swept
01:07and dog walked by the new york knicks maybe just maybe don't say i think we're the better team than
01:12them yeah it was a i mean it was an all-star-esque performance out of them for how to
01:17be the worst
01:19podium i've ever heard in my life uh atkinson what are you doing atkinson how in a matter of like
01:25two weeks did he expose himself as the biggest fraud in the nba history like i how did this
01:29happen how did this happen so quickly with him it's not like i was ever the biggest atkinson defender
01:33but my goodness you sounded like an absolute schmuck all weekend long and here's the thing
01:38you might be able to kind of stay under the radar if you just do dumb things in the game
01:43you're not
01:44going to stay under the radar if you do dumb things during the game and then say dumb things
01:49between games as well like at some point you're lighting yourself on fire and and just saying
01:54hey everybody pay attention over here i'm on fire please fire me i i almost think he could have
01:59gotten away with the game one gaffe and and the blunder if he would have just you know shut up
02:03about
02:04everything and then didn't continue to step on it throughout the entire weekend like not just step
02:08on it stop on if he would have just been like yeah all right nick jaylen brunson great at
02:11basketball like all right you got us hey what an incredible run they're on instead he brought up
02:16analytics that he reminds us we can't see and use that as a base to have one of the worst
02:21rebuttals
02:22in press conference history to why their team is not playing good basketball it was it was world
02:28class nick absolute world class but okay wasn't all bad because the calves at least did the honorable
02:33thing which yesterday not making us go to game five yes exactly and they laid down and just like you
02:40know what we don't want it either it's funny i was i was telling my in-laws before the game
02:44they're
02:44obviously massive basketball fans uh and they're like oh so what's going to happen tonight i'm like
02:49i have no idea but i don't trust the nba like the nba you typically they four game series networks
02:54lose
02:54money okay five game series they break even game six game seven they start to make a little coin right
02:59that's why we never see four game series and i'm like you have to get shot out of the building
03:04to lose a game four in the scenario and then they got shot out of the building and here's the
03:08thing
03:08uh i'm not mad that they quit yesterday i'm actually again i'm relieved if there's no other
03:13way to describe it zero other way to describe it they absolutely quit if we had if today we had
03:18to
03:18come out and be like we hey we got one we just got to get three more i was thinking
03:23yesterday i'm
03:24cooking burgers and dogs daryl's flanking me on the right mac is flanking me on the left and i had
03:28this odd thought how in the hell can i sell if they win tonight that they actually i couldn't you
03:34can't
03:35come out and be like well they're still they're still ass but you know what there are ass that
03:39was gonna have to be my entire pitch if the calves had won last night but here's the thing so
03:45it
03:45doesn't bug me that they quit last night because in fairness all of all of cleveland quit last night
03:51that was very close cleveland all of cleveland i want to go to cleveland oh that's a knicks fan
03:57i've never been to cleveland before but no all of cleveland quit on this team look at what
04:02happening that was a home game for the knicks last night so i can't be mad that the calves
04:08didn't show up to this game or they showed up for like a quarter then we're like i don't really
04:13want
04:13to do this i can't be mad at them because half of the calves fans the wine and cheese crowd
04:18did the
04:18same thing nay nay i am furious about game three that's the one if you want to be mad for
04:25this team
04:25for quitting when when uh furious about game three when our celebrity row came out and by celebrity row we
04:31just we just being kelsey and taylor swift hey a lot of our friends in the media a lot of
04:35them got
04:36a lot of nice moments i can't wait to talk to ashley tomorrow ashley cam justice apparently uh i know
04:41spencer german was right there was he just like you're you're high i don't even know like she's
04:47like complimenting cam justice he was in the mix complimenting everybody he was in the mix you're
04:51also here spencer we appreciate you but no like the the way that they laid down in game three and
04:58i we
04:58were we were at me and my buddy jeremy we're at a bar watching game three and we're sitting there
05:03we've had a you know couple uh cool rushes that's a colorado beer we've had some wings we're we're
05:09enjoying ourselves right and then at some point in the the the probably third quarter the calves
05:14just decided i don't think this is going to be our series that's the one that's the one when when
05:20when
05:20i who i tend never to leave games early whether i'm at a bar whether i'd love to watch the
05:28end
05:28because you just never know i'm the same way i like to finish games with like five minutes in that
05:32no no it was about eight minutes last night eight minutes in the uh in the fourth quarter of game
05:38three i looked at jeremy and said they're going to score one more basket here and i think we should
05:41leave because there's no need the calves have quit on this that's exactly what happened
05:46so it's tough for me to balance these two truths which are you finally broke through
05:54in the eastern conference and got to the eastern conference finals right so you you did things we
06:00didn't think you could do and you did it and yes it was complicated and it took longer than it
06:04should
06:04have oh well no the bottom line is you made it the eastern conference finals that is a success
06:10versus then every negative thing that we had said about this team yeah they don't really have
06:15heart ah they wilt easily ah kenny atkinson's a bit of a dodo from time to time every negative
06:22thing james harden weird knob sometimes all of the negative things we had said about this team
06:28were were just broadcast on the highest level at the biggest level in front of america and you got
06:37dog walked in four games absolutely embarrassing i guess the only positive out of it is that if you're
06:41a big believer in uh in under six foot three guards dominating and uh being your you're like
06:47soul everything on a team well jaylen brunson is doing that yeah so there's there is that like the
06:54uh the people that are like oh donovan donovan what can he be with this team i don't know what
06:57he can
06:57be with this team i'm not i'm looking at this series i don't think he should be a one on
07:00this team
07:01but hey jaylen brunson is proving the idea that at least uh at least uh undersized guards can at
07:06least accomplish things in life don't we all feel better don't we all feel better by the way
07:09that after for us after game four the donovan said he wants to be here that's good yeah that's good
07:14well and the harden said it too and we had a lot of we had a lot of people thank
07:17god i was worried
07:18that are very much like i i want to do this again i want this was fun for me this
07:23wasn't very fun
07:23this series absolutely sucked um so i'm over atkinson i'm done with atkinson uh i wish i think
07:29lima said uh he thought he'd be fired by noon we're two hours too late buddy uh let's let's pick
07:34this up at some point throughout this show if he got fired it'd make me very happy i don't think
07:38kenny atkinson is the biggest problem with the calves and i don't think i also don't think he
07:42coached very well so there's there are things that i like about kenny atkinson uh which we can get to
07:48and the point is though based off one series alone can i fight if you fire him not really no
07:55i mean my
07:56message is it's a lot easier to get worse from here than it is to get better and that is
08:00my that is my
08:01word of warning to the calves this offseason i know we can be emotional we need you not to be
08:07emotional we need you to be very very calculated about how you go forward because you can take
08:13this team from hey we're in the eastern conference finals three years ago to we're back in the lotto
08:18three years from now so that is this is where you are it's a very tricky situation and my only
08:23caution
08:24is if you do move on from kenny you need to be able to tell me definitively that's a better
08:29head
08:29coach and i'm sorry jason kidd does literally nothing for me i don't know that jimoke wanted
08:34to trade luca donchich that guy had janice on a team another thing that this series is proving
08:40though in some respect is the idea that uh when they hired mike brown for tibbs nobody thought
08:45mike brown was a better answer than tibodeau was nobody he got ridiculed across the board
08:49and you fast forward a year and now mike brown's head coach of a team in the finals he's pulling
08:53all the right buttons yeah mike brown also had a i think it was 550 winning percentage when he got
08:57hired jason kidd has a 496 career winning percentage and uh was again one of the guys
09:03that was like yeah cool trade luca i'm sorry listen i'm not advocating for jason kidd i'm just saying
09:08if they if someone they hire we don't have to at first glance be like it has to demonstrably be
09:12better than what atkinson is especially atkinson's not even like the highest bar in the world first
09:17off i think they just need change is what they need i here's the thing that was that was last
09:21year
09:21that was my argument with jb becker staff it might end up being tibbs we bring him back in the
09:25equation um that was my argument with jb becker staff two years ago they just need change
09:29uh you need an upgrade now you you cannot you cannot go and say hey we just we hired this
09:36guy
09:36and he's the best assistant on the san antonio spurs he's gonna be an upgrade not bleep that you
09:43better get somebody with real cachet to coach this team and i think we're getting billy donovan on the
09:48hotline i like billy donovan that's the guy i want the guy i would want is mike malone and he
09:53took
09:53the north carolina job so that's not happening that would have been my hire and uh unfortunately
09:57that jerk took a college job two months ago how unfair of him not great i would say two months
10:04everything's on the table though even the table's on the table the table's on the table anything you
10:08want to dream up i just don't think we're in position to be like no that's dumb no they they
10:12can't they can't possibly make that change because they have to they have to stay with x y or z
10:17yeah
10:17no no that sounds like change for the sake of change which is in fact dumb
10:21change oh that's not what i'm driving at i'm not driving at change because i'm pissed i'm driving
10:25at change uh if they if they decide to make some sort of change because they feel like this roster
10:29is flawed i'll say yes okay i agree yeah but no that not all change is equal and i do
10:34think that's
10:34kind of what i'm driving here's the thing though the point is the calves quit on this series and they
10:39quit when they were at home that is offensive to me um this team who said who says the right
10:46things
10:47a lot of the time suddenly stopped saying the right things instead of a lot of either cover
10:51your own ass things or started just basically bus tossing oh it was the circumstances oh we got to
10:58get to kenny atkinson what the hell he meant by analytically we're winning this thing because i do
11:02think he was trying to throw somebody under the bus on that one and in all the while this is
11:07a team
11:07that i think a fair amount of clevelanders had one foot out on and then this series is why
11:13right like i i after getting through the second round i was ready to say all right let's see what
11:19this team has like all right you got me here let's see if we can put just a compelling series
11:23together
11:24and the fact that you couldn't means a lot of the allegations that were thrown their way after this
11:29thing was made are fair yeah and and true about where this team is and that again like i think
11:37it's
11:37easy to suggest a lot of radical change it doesn't mean it's going to fix a damn thing
11:43no your end result still might end up being a team that's not good enough to win an nba title
11:47it's just it's just how deep do you want to take this and how how much do you want them
11:51to really
11:52be aggressive about uh i don't know making a bunch of changes make a bunch of radical changes
11:56and then ending up in i don't know another eastern conference finals next year
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