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00:03Welcome back, we're going to look at Rio, we're going to look at Bermuda, there's black flags that were, black
00:07flags that weren't, how close is too close, how much do we want these drivers pushing at each other, how
00:13much risk can we be willing to take out there, well, let's go and take an inside look.
00:22I'm joined on the show today by Craig Mitchell, Chief Umpire. Craig, it's great to have you with me as
00:28always.
00:29Yeah, good to see you, Stevie.
00:31Yeah, it's been great action, well, we've been some tight moments, I'm not sure I've completely seen eye to eye
00:35of you on all of them, but I think I'm looking forward to you proving me wrong on some of
00:39these starts, we'll go back to Rio Race 7 and the French black flag.
00:49What a position for them to be in, Bones Flying Rouge, they're clean at the top, and the Swiss, they've
00:53got a chance to lead at mile one.
00:55This is the umpires, penalty France, windward boat not keeping clear, black flag, you are disqualified from the race.
01:04Oh, bloody umpires have given a black flag, diving at the top there, too risky, oh, Contant de la Pierre,
01:12what an end to their regatta here in Rio.
01:14Yeah, I'm in the photo head.
01:16Yes, I think what was so interesting with this one was from my camera angle, I was looking at the
01:20other end of the line, and you see France coming in from the right-hand side of the screen, coming
01:24in pretty hot, weren't they, at the top of the line there?
01:26And it was just amazing to see them try and squeeze through, it was really, really tight, I kind of
01:31missed it, because we were calling the start looking back towards Sugarloaf Mountain, but yeah, we see them sort of
01:37dive in, it all looks quite clear on the camera there, but as we come back to see some on
01:41-board shots,
01:42we'll then get to look on-board the German boat, I believe next is what's going to come up, and
01:47we'll see them come, here we are, we're on-board the German boat, so we're going to be looking out
01:50of the right-hand corner, we can see there, in front of the boat, the red marker boy, and it's
01:55coming in tight, Australians are off the foil, Germany put it on to H1 to try and just slow up,
01:59now we start to accelerate in towards the mark, here come the French,
02:04oh, and you can just see Eric, right-hand side, they have to really turn the wheel, so tight, clearly,
02:09but you get a different view, Craig, don't you, you get to look on it on the umpire.
02:13Yeah, the umpire, you know, it's a very emotionless, very, you know, 2D, emotionless, just, you know, all the data,
02:21you know, and you see France coming in, and so you know they're at risk, and you know the course,
02:28you know the speed, and so you're looking at them going, are they going to get through, or are the
02:32Germans going to have to take avoiding action, and, you know, you see the Germans turn down, you know, and
02:38you go, well, you know, was there, was it a reasonable apprehension, you know,
02:42did they have to do that turn down, and for us, it was just a little bit too close, you
02:47know, I think if you did all the calculations, you might find that France got through with like 2 metres
02:52to spare,
02:53but you think, oh, well, that's probably a little bit too close, isn't it, and so, you know, in that,
02:59in that circumstance.
03:00And how close do you think they got at the closest there?
03:03I mean, that looks like they're kind of within, going to be within a metre of the rudders, and so
03:09you think, you know, that's probably just, just going to be too close, because, you know, the Germans are clearly
03:14going to get nervous, they want to, you know, if they held on, then, then they could reasonably think that
03:20there's going to be an almighty, an almighty bang at some point.
03:26So pretty tight, we're on board the French here, it'll be interesting to see how it looked on board there
03:30for Comtan, he comes racing at the top of the line, we can see the action off towards the left
03:34there, and yeah, I mean, he's doing something like 60 kilometres an hour, I think, at this point, so he's
03:39pretty committed,
03:40and I guess the scary thing is, if you were to hit that red buoy, that boat's not going to
03:43go sailing for a little while, is it, and the potential risks there, just all on the French.
03:48So, a couple of metres on that one, and that was deemed as, deemed as too close. Now, as I
03:55say, at the time, I didn't feel like I had a great, great viewpoint on it, but, but when we
04:00now move on to Bermuda, and we're going to look here at the incident between Canada, I think Rockwall were
04:06in and around it, but it was mainly Canada and Italy.
04:09Red Bull Italy turned towards the line, but are they too early? They might be a little early on Red
04:13Bull Italy, there could be a possible shutout at the top of the line, they're not, oh no, too risky
04:18by North Star, too risky!
04:21This is the umpire's early start penalty, Canada, Italy, Germany.
04:26I'd associate a pirate flag with Bermuda more than I would Rio, so it was a bit ironic that that
04:31black flag perhaps didn't come out when we got to this one, but yeah, it was a similar-looking incident.
04:35A few of the boats in Italy were a little bit closer back towards the start line than they had
04:39been in previous starts, so then Italy start having to kill time, and they'll always tend to kill up the
04:44line to try and close the door on people, and here, you talk about non-emotionless, maybe our two personalities
04:51are in the way we watch the racing.
04:53I watch it on a telescreen with a lot of colour and a lot of detail, I was seriously hyped
04:57up here, I thought this was a black flag all day long at that point in time, and then you
05:04came on from your 2D world, and yeah, you obviously saw it a bit differently, so walk us through it
05:12from your point of view, Craig.
05:14Yeah, so on this one, you've got, again, you've got a boat that you know is taking a big risk,
05:19you know, Canada's up there, so they get noticed that they're coming in, and you're tracking it, going, well, you
05:26know, is there a collision course?
05:29Is either one, either of these boats going to have a piece of Canada, and you see that Denmark, you
05:36know, are just not quite overlapped, so you know that that's not, you know, they're a keep clear boat, so
05:41they're probably a little bit out of the picture, and then you come into Italy, and you go, well, you
05:45know, are Italy going to cut them off, you know, and you can see Italy's aiming straight at that mark,
05:50and then you go, well, you know, Canada's got more speed than Italy, you know, and it looks like they're
05:57going across.
05:59By how far, you know, and is it reasonable for the Italians to think, oh, there's going to be a
06:05big collision here, so we're going to bear away, and for us, that distance was, you know, it was further,
06:11you can see it on the airport, it's further, Canada were further across, there was a bigger gap between Canada
06:16and Italy than there was between Germany and France, and so for us, we look at it and go, well,
06:21we think they got through, and so, you know, we green flagged it, and in that situation, you know,
06:28we have two outcomes, one's green, one's black, because we've said, you know, if you get caught in that situation,
06:35not keeping clear, then that's it, you're disqualified, so in this circumstance, you know, yes, it was close, but was
06:40it too close, and I think that's the ongoing discussion, is, you know, you talk to the teams, we've had
06:46a debrief,
06:46we said, how close is too close, you know, we thought this was okay, and we got the feedback from
06:51some teams, some teams were, you know, uncomfortable with that, and some were, you know, no comment, so, so there
06:59we have it, so now we've got a kind of,
07:02one that we know is too close, and one that we think is okay, and so maybe it's, you know,
07:08and so somewhere in between is where the crossover point is.
07:12Yeah, we come back here, as we see on the Canadian boat, you can see quite how close they are
07:15to that start mark there, as they come in, and they were kind of through and gone, weren't they, we
07:20don't see anything of the Italians, but
07:22it's certainly interesting, as you come back on board, and get to see it from, well, roughly Phil Robertson's viewpoint
07:28here, you can see again in front, just in front, through the middle of the boat, there's the start line,
07:31here come Canada into shot,
07:33and you can see there, Rockwall bailing out, Canada spearing through the gap, and it's all happening pretty quick, but,
07:39you know, if I'm perfectly honest, when I saw it back, and I saw it in the 2D form, I
07:45can completely see the decision, I think it, yeah, I mean, it's just so interesting, isn't it,
07:50we want these team racing, we want people pushing on the edge, but we don't want accidents, and it's really
07:57interesting, but I suppose what I love seeing is how you can actually,
08:01effectively, I don't know how many metres you think that incident there is between Canada and Italy, because you said
08:07it was about one metre in Brazil, what distance do you reckon they got the closest here?
08:12So I think this is, you know, four to five metres across the front there, so you just hold it
08:18there, and you can then see, and it's,
08:20you know, it's pretty dynamic, so as the boats are coming together, you think, well, you know, would they go
08:26straight across at that point, and then there's a turn down, you know,
08:29and are Italy going to, you know, get actual bow-on hull contacts, you know, I mean, that's what we're
08:36looking at, or is it reasonable,
08:37and then is it reasonable for them to bear away, given the angles of incidence, etc., you know, in this
08:43one, they're a little bit,
08:44you know, it's a bit of a higher angle of incidence, and so you've just got to look at it
08:50and consider it,
08:51and then go, well, you make the call based on what you see there.
08:56Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've got to say, when I look at it from these angles, I don't envy you
09:01happen to make that judgment call,
09:02I'm very confident one of the people that disagreed on the umpire meeting would have been Phil Robertson,
09:07but having seen it in 2D, I can see why you came to the no black flag decision, and I
09:13definitely don't want you
09:15keeping these boats at an arm length, I still can see why I got pretty het up, and was calling
09:21that,
09:21oh, it's got to be a black flag, it's got to be a black flag, but yeah, it's a tight
09:26one now,
09:27I suppose my feedback would be probably no closer, would be my outcome on that one, that feels like that's
09:34the limit.
09:36Yeah, I think you're right there, and to be honest, if I look at it from your point of view,
09:40and watch that helicopter shot, I was definitely wincing, thinking, oh, that looks a bit close,
09:46and so, you know, we both see it from the other sides as well, but, you know, we've got to
09:52look at it,
09:53and a lot of the time, when you look at it from the umpire, it just takes all the emotion
09:57out,
09:58because it's like, what's the distance, you know, is it enough?
10:02Yeah, that's interesting, and hopefully a few people will jump in on the comments of this video,
10:06and give us, you know, whether they thought it was too close or not, but let's move on,
10:10I pick out another incident here, Craig, I'm sort of throwing all of these at you, I'm afraid,
10:14but there's an incident here between Canada and Spain, coming into the final downwind turning mark,
10:20Canada with the right of way, but two manoeuvres to do, Spain coming in seriously hot on the outside of
10:26the turn,
10:26and both boats make it a left turn, and I know it's Giles Scott, he sort of almost did,
10:31it's almost like a fake, he dropped his board, popped the board down into the water,
10:36and then, but then continued on, so Spain might have been thinking,
10:39oh, I've got round the end here, no problem, but then the Canadian boat went a little bit straight
10:44for a little while, and I guess as the teams get better, and we've got a couple of, you know,
10:49Olympic gold medalists, experts in this combative boat-on-boat racing,
10:54yeah, it's going to get a bit more like that, the racing out here, isn't it, Craig,
10:58that they are going to be pushing the rules to the limit, and, you know,
11:01could Canada have got in trouble, could Spain have got in trouble, how did you see it?
11:05Well, I mean, on this one, you know, as the boats are coming down into the mark,
11:12there's quite a few rules interacting with each other, you know, Canada were originally above the ley line,
11:18and they jive onto starboard, and they, you know, they're going to come down to the mark,
11:24and as they're the inside boat, they get mark room, but at the same time,
11:28they have to go round that corner, the rule requires them to sail no further than their proper course,
11:33which means that, you know, Spain are in this position where, you know,
11:38they're not allowed to push them too close, and Canada's not allowed to push out too far,
11:44so they're kind of balancing between each other once they get inside that mark zone.
11:51You know, if Canada want to do something a little bit more aggressive,
11:55they have to do it before they get to that mark zone,
11:58because as soon as they get to that mark zone, then the rules start changing a little bit.
12:02You know, you say, is that a proper course? Could Canada come up a bit?
12:06They probably could, because, you know, what's your proper course?
12:10And that's when things get a little bit grey, you know, they come out of the jar.
12:13Oh, you love the grey, Craig. I was wondering how long it was going to be
12:16until we started getting grey.
12:22And so it's a game of push and pull, you know, and if the Spanish squeeze too much,
12:27then they're at risk, and if the Canadians push out there, then they're also at risk.
12:33So today, so in that one, they're kind of tiptoeing around each other.
12:37And I guess in the end, you know, Spain got it right,
12:40because they just managed to then get the speed to carry themselves around the outside
12:44and take the place over Canada.
12:47Yeah, I mean, Spain were on board here. You can see them sort of turned down.
12:51I thought they might have turned down a bit earlier.
12:52In that sort of situation, does the benefit of the doubt go with the Canadians?
12:56Is there a point of certainty where you'd say Canada have definitely
13:00sort of pushed their luck too much, if you like?
13:04Yeah, I mean, we'd always say that, you know, if the one's entitled to room,
13:09entitled to proper course, then we'll give them their proper course
13:12until it's clear to us that they're not on their proper course.
13:15So they do get a little bit more benefit of the doubt in that case,
13:18and we'll always err on the side of protecting the boat entitled to the room.
13:23And that's what we've told the teams, you know, if you're the boat entitled to the room,
13:26then we'll give you that bit more protection.
13:28So in this one, you know, we thought that Canada's course was, you know, okay.
13:34So we weren't that concerned, but there was discussion through the manoeuvre going,
13:39you know, okay, at what point do we do get concerned?
13:43But that never happened in that situation.
13:45Yeah, it's tight, isn't it?
13:46Because I must admit, I did think Canada could have gone at them a bit more aggressively,
13:50almost as they, you know, as they came in in another incident there.
13:54So it was pretty interesting to see that that one play out.
13:58And yeah, it all ended up fair.
14:00But it's great to see this kind of tight, aggressive racing that we have out here on the racetrack
14:04and people trying to use the rules to their best ability.
14:06Because of course, Canada had used that same rule against Germany really successfully,
14:11where there was a slight feint in his movement,
14:15and he pushed Eric Heil off the course in an earlier race.
14:18So it was pretty interesting.
14:20Well, Craig, I'm going to move things on a bit now.
14:22I want to look at an incident between Spain and Germany at the final turning mark of the event final
14:27in Bermuda.
14:28And often we're talking about the negative sides of the rules.
14:30And I just thought this was a beautiful bit of execution by Spain.
14:34They're coming in not with the right of way.
14:36Germany have got the right of way and Germany are going to be going.
14:39They've got no more manoeuvres to do.
14:40Spain have got one.
14:41So Germany are going pretty quick.
14:42At this point, I thought it was almost advantage Germany.
14:45But then Bottin just used the rules fantastically to just touch it on the circle, gain the right of way,
14:51elongate his turn,
14:52so that he makes himself a big target for Germany.
14:55And he managed to park the German boat from having not had the rules.
14:59He gained the rules, stopped the German boat and then brought it home to the finish.
15:01And I thought it may be quite nice for you to actually see the rules being used tactically so well
15:06and then perhaps not have to be involved.
15:09Yeah, absolutely.
15:10I mean, this is a really smart move.
15:11I mean, you can see the Spanish coming in on port and their options look a little bit limited.
15:17But then the mark room rules in Sailor GP mean that if you are that port boat to go on
15:23the inside,
15:23you're the inside boat, just like you would be going down in your Olympic racing.
15:29And so they managed to just get the turn on, you know, get the height, get into the zone.
15:35And after that, you know, it's like the rugby player diving for the touchline.
15:40You know, they get into that zone and then that's it.
15:42It's theirs.
15:43And then they can turn.
15:44And like you say, they just basically made their boat really wide as they swung through
15:49and tacked over onto starboard, rounded the mark, parked the Germans and disappeared off to the finish line.
15:56So, you know, beautiful execution by the Spanish.
16:00Yeah, it was.
16:01And I don't know if we'll get to look at it.
16:02Hopefully we'll have a little look at it on the unpack.
16:04But they obviously can't see it themselves on the water because we haven't got the painted lines on the water.
16:09But, you know, they really judge it well.
16:12How do they see that themselves on the boat?
16:14Or is that pure sort of instinct and judgment?
16:17Well, they'll see it on their wing screen as they're approaching it.
16:20They see the boundaries on the wing screen.
16:22And they'll also have the distances and the lay lines.
16:25And they'll also have the coach telling them, you know, you need to start turning up to get into the
16:30zone.
16:30I'm not sure if they got the feedback from the coach.
16:32But, you know, they get a lot of input and they'll know when to start that turn to get into
16:38the zone.
16:40Yeah, right.
16:41And we'll take a little look from your viewpoint.
16:43Let's get back to your 2D world, Craig, and have a look on the unpack.
16:48Yeah, so as they roll in here, you see that they just slide in there before they get into the
16:54zone,
16:54before any avoiding actions are required by Germany.
16:58So, you know, they get the board down and then the Germans are left with this, you know,
17:02this boat directly in front of them that they think has fouled.
17:07And then they're trying to push, you know, which way should they go?
17:09Can they get inside?
17:11Are Spain going to have to let them get inside?
17:13You know, and in the end, the Spanish just do a beautiful job there.
17:18You can see they get, as soon as they're into that zone, then the turn is theirs
17:23and they don't have to worry so much about being on port anymore.
17:27Yeah, I just love the way they sort of start turning.
17:30They're in the zone and then they actually go straight for a while, you know,
17:32which is a little bit different to some other racing perhaps.
17:35But as soon as you own the zone in SailGP, you actually are then,
17:39you're entitled to sail your proper course,
17:40even though actually you're on port tack for a moment and head to wind,
17:44you haven't got right the way through.
17:46Yeah, absolutely.
17:47You get the exoneration if there's any issues there.
17:50And then it's easy from there on in.
17:56Craig, yeah, I mean, I've got to say, I love watching sort of fantastic sailing
18:00and clearly we get a lot of that with SailGP and all the athletes
18:03and incidents that we have out there on the water.
18:05But I did enjoy that one.
18:07Nice that you didn't ultimately get involved.
18:09I'm still not entirely sure that I'm fully in agreement on the black flag,
18:13but I just think that I love it that we're getting down to a couple of metres here and there.
18:16And I can see it from your point of view.
18:20And I can love that we're getting this tactical racing.
18:22So there was some pretty interesting one with the rules, I feel like.
18:25I'm not even going to get on to the one where the Swiss protested the Australians
18:28on the opposite leg of the course, because that's perhaps, you know,
18:31that's for another day and the Swiss hopefully won't have too many repercussions
18:35from the Australian team over that one.
18:37But it's been a fantastic few events that we've had out there.
18:42And I think it's going to be good now to get to New York, isn't it?
18:44We're going to get to the Big Apple.
18:46We're going to get Broadway.
18:47It's normally a bit of a show when we get to New York.
18:49I don't know what you're expecting to see there.
18:51Are you expecting to be busy?
18:52Yeah, I think it will.
18:53There's quite a lot of tidal effects, you know,
18:56and the wind can be pretty tricky.
18:58You know, we saw last year there was quite a lot of incidents going on.
19:03So let's hope the breeze comes in.
19:05But, yeah, I'm expecting every event we go on,
19:09it's going to get, you know, trickier and trickier
19:13and the boats are going to get closer and closer.
19:16But hopefully, in Bermuda there was no contact.
19:19Hopefully we can carry on that theme.
19:21Yeah, that's right.
19:22Well, they say Robin's racing, but just not quite Robin's racing
19:25in this instant, I think, is what we'll look for.
19:27Yeah, I think New York's going to be a great one.
19:29It's a slightly tighter race course, as you say,
19:31there can often be a fair bit of tide and current on those gates
19:35that can really compress the fleet.
19:36So, yeah, you might need to get home
19:38and brush up on your mark roundings.
19:41Rules are, as I said, Craig, before the next one.
19:43But thanks very much for joining us now.
19:45And thanks, everyone at home, for joining and watching.
19:48And we look forward to hearing how close do you think is too close?
19:52You know, how aggressive do you want to see the boats
19:53getting out there on the race course?
19:55Drop into the feed, let us know what you think.
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20:00And, yeah, hopefully we'll be back after New York.
20:02But not too many big incidents to talk about,
20:04so Craig's still got some hair left.
20:06Thanks very much.
20:07See you soon.
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