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00:04¡Gracias!
00:30Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Federation
00:31have been indicted on charges of providing
00:33steroids to WWF entertainers.
00:36Everybody was on steroids. That's what they
00:38were marketing. We did whatever it took
00:39to give what the people wanted to see.
00:41We're going to be in a better position and make more money.
00:44And Vince McMahon was aware of it.
00:45Everybody was. The boys need their candy.
00:48Did he ever say,
00:50well, I gotta put an end to this? No!
00:52The law changed.
00:53Prior to that time, using or possessing
00:56anabolic steroids was as legal
00:58as taking an aspirin.
00:59Authorities sought a high-profile
01:01case to make clear they would prosecute
01:03steroid users and
01:05pushers. They were a flashing
01:07red light to prosecutors wanting to make an example
01:09out of things. It could have taken the whole company down.
01:12If convicted, McMahon faces
01:13eight years in prison and half a million
01:15dollars in fines.
01:17With two trials looming, those involved
01:19found themselves tangled in a world
01:21of surveillance and paranoia.
01:24You don't know when you get out of your
01:25car. There's someone to come
01:27and then who knows what.
01:29WWF head Vince McMahon
01:31faced down a parade of superstar
01:33witnesses who held his fate in their hands.
01:36If it was an overt agreement,
01:38I can get you steroids,
01:40that's Vince McMahon being a drug dealer
01:41to his top star.
01:42I wanted to expose it
01:43for all it was worth.
01:45The federal government came to take down
01:47the pro wrestling business.
01:48Little did they know,
01:49they had to deal with Jerry McDivitt
01:51was a Vince McMahon who promptly
01:54kicked their ass.
01:55You have no idea what I'm going to do to you.
01:57I mean,
01:57I am going to crush you
01:58like a bug.
02:14This is my officer.
02:17This was the headline the day he was
02:19indicted up in New York.
02:20You can see Vince there.
02:22That's me doing the cross-examination
02:24of the jury.
02:26I'm Jerry McDivitt.
02:27I'm a lawyer and I've represented
02:28the WWE for approximately 30 years.
02:32Jerry McDivitt, you are the attorney
02:33for the WWE.
02:34A very, very famous face lately,
02:36I must say.
02:37Ranging from the Chris Benoit
02:39situation.
02:40We're not going to speculate
02:42on it here on television,
02:43and the soundbite atmosphere
02:44of television.
02:45To the unfortunate case
02:47of Owen's death.
02:48Who died last night
02:49in a tragic accident.
02:51Those 30 years of what you go through
02:53in all of those episodes together
02:55to try to get to the other side
02:57and keep going,
02:58that's what forms those kind of bonds.
03:00That's a picture of Vince
03:01at my wedding.
03:03Jerry is one of the most
03:05intelligent men I've ever met.
03:07His intellect is scary.
03:10If I found myself
03:11into a heinous situation,
03:13if I hook a crook,
03:14I needed the best lawyer
03:16that money can buy,
03:18I would reach out
03:20to Jerry McDivitt
03:21to save my ass.
03:23He's an intimidating figure.
03:24He's tall.
03:25He's thrash and fearless
03:27in the way that
03:27I saw him in trial.
03:29And a valuable figure
03:31to Vince McMahon
03:31over the years.
03:32My name's Wade Keller.
03:33I'm the editor
03:34of the Pro Wrestling Torch
03:35newsletter,
03:36and I was on site
03:37for the entire
03:38Vince McMahon steroid trial.
03:39Vincent K. McMahon
03:40is obviously
03:42the most well-known promoter
03:43for the past 35 years.
03:44And it's my distinct privilege
03:47to present to you
03:50Hulk Hogan!
03:53As far as Vince McMahon's
03:55success and everything like that,
03:56you take Hulk Hogan
03:56out of the picture,
03:57Vince McMahon would not be
03:58anywhere near as successful.
03:59My name's Dave Meltzer,
04:01and I'm the editor
04:02of the Wrestling Observer
04:03newsletter,
04:04and I've been writing
04:04about wrestling
04:05for a lot of years,
04:0649 years,
04:0750 years,
04:0750 years.
04:08Hogan, you know,
04:10he was one of the biggest
04:10stars in the history
04:11of wrestling,
04:12and wrestling exploded
04:13on his back
04:13in the late 80s.
04:14He was the all-American hero.
04:16You gotta say your prayers
04:17and you gotta eat
04:17your vitamins.
04:18At that time,
04:19what the fans
04:19were responding to
04:20were cool-looking guys
04:22with these great physiques.
04:24They were just getting
04:25bigger and bigger
04:27and bigger,
04:27and it was becoming
04:28more of a vehicle
04:29to sell merchandise
04:30than anything else.
04:32My name is John Arezzi.
04:33I'm a wrestling historian
04:34going back 30 years
04:35to my original radio show,
04:37called Pro Wrestling Spotlight.
04:39Pro Wrestling
04:40became more cartoonish
04:42with these big monsters
04:44that were being given names
04:45like the Ultimate Warrior,
04:48the Warlord.
04:49He's the biggest two-man.
04:50Look at the size
04:51of these guys.
04:52We could have had
04:53a football team
04:53and nothing would even
04:54touch us.
04:56My name's Terry Schepensky.
04:57I wrestled in the WWF
04:59as the Warlord.
05:01I was also one-half
05:02of the tag team
05:03powers of pain.
05:04God, they're huge.
05:06There are estimates
05:08that 90% of the wrestlers
05:11in that time period
05:12were all on steroids.
05:14In the late 1980s,
05:16steroid use was legal
05:18if the drugs were prescribed
05:19by a personal physician
05:21for the treatment
05:22of an injury or disease,
05:24and WWF wrestlers
05:26had unlimited access
05:27thanks to a willing accomplice.
05:29Do you know
05:30who Dr. George Zaharian is?
05:31Oh, yeah.
05:33Dr. George Zaharian
05:34was the ringside physician
05:36for the Pennsylvania
05:38State Athletic Commission,
05:39and he was assigned
05:41to ringside
05:41at all of the wrestling matches
05:43in Allentown, Pennsylvania
05:45for their TV tapings.
05:47The doctor is right there
05:48at his side.
05:49George Zaharian
05:49was a fan of the wrestlers,
05:52and they put him on the show.
05:54He had some
05:55darn good wrestlers
05:56coming out here.
05:57Really getting abused.
05:58As the state's representative,
06:00Dr. Zaharian is responsible
06:02for examining each wrestler
06:04to ensure they are
06:05healthy enough to perform.
06:06As he was doing
06:07the blood pressure
06:07and everything else,
06:08after he was done,
06:08he always had this
06:09big doctor bag,
06:10and he would open it up
06:11afterwards,
06:12and it'd be filled
06:13with steroids.
06:16And he would say,
06:17is there anything
06:18you would like?
06:18And if it isn't there,
06:20I can get it for you,
06:21and I can send it to you.
06:23He set up shop,
06:24every taping,
06:25and the guys lined up
06:26to purchase their candy.
06:29Valiant,
06:30Tylenol 3,
06:32Percocet,
06:32Percodan,
06:33Somas,
06:34pain pills,
06:36steroids.
06:38My name is Brian Blair.
06:40I'm known as B. Brian Blair,
06:41half of the killer Bs.
06:42And we said,
06:43Hulkster,
06:43you know,
06:43we need a little pump on.
06:44He said,
06:45yeah, man,
06:45you could use a little bit of,
06:46a little bit more muscle
06:47in those wings there.
06:48And he said,
06:48people do not understand
06:50the pressure that you're under.
06:52Look the best you can
06:54to keep your spot in the business.
06:55It was high pressure.
06:57For over a decade,
06:59steroids were an open secret
07:00in wrestling.
07:01In the late 80s,
07:02despite athletes being exposed
07:04as cheaters,
07:05stripped of his gold medal
07:06for testing positive
07:07to using anabolic steroids.
07:09Steroid abuse was becoming
07:10a political lightning rod.
07:14There was a lot of hysteria
07:16about steroids
07:17back in that era.
07:18It always sort of portrayed it
07:20that the athletes
07:22who were using them
07:22were somehow misusing a drug
07:24that was made
07:26for some other purpose.
07:28Steroids is,
07:29as far as I can tell,
07:30the only drug
07:31that was ever made
07:32in this country's history
07:33for which
07:34the drug manufacturers
07:36were not required
07:37to give dosage,
07:39duration,
07:39and adverse effects
07:41for the purpose
07:42it was made,
07:43which was
07:45athletic enhancement.
07:46There's a lot of good,
07:47truthful reasons
07:48to tell people
07:49what damages can be done
07:51by taking these drugs
07:52that you don't need
07:53to lie to them much.
07:54Just tell them the truth.
07:55But the government
07:56never did that.
07:57The federal congress
07:57was reacting
07:58to some of this hysteria
08:00by the Anabolic Control Act
08:01in 1990,
08:02which made it,
08:03for the first time,
08:04a controlled substance.
08:05This means that
08:06trafficking in steroids
08:07will be treated
08:08in much the same manner
08:09as trafficking in cocaine,
08:11or methamphetamines.
08:13With a new law in place
08:14to curtail steroid dealing,
08:16particularly to teen athletes,
08:18the FBI targets
08:19weightlifting coach
08:20Bill Dunn,
08:22who quickly agrees
08:23to hand over his supplier,
08:25Dr. Zahorian.
08:26Dunn had been,
08:27I gather,
08:28caught with a large amount
08:29of steroids,
08:31flipped,
08:31became a government witness,
08:33agreed to wear a wire.
08:34I think they made
08:35some controlled purchases
08:36with him
08:37where they sent him in
08:38and had him mic'd up
08:39and recorded it.
08:41I want to get
08:41a large order,
08:43but I need some,
08:45can you tell me
08:46what you need?
08:46Because, you know,
08:47it's like I told you,
08:48cash and carry.
08:49You know,
08:49if I have it,
08:50you got it,
08:50you pay.
08:51He didn't sound
08:52like a doctor.
08:53He was talking about
08:54that Dunn was going
08:55to give steroids to kids.
08:56You're selling steroids
08:57to somebody
08:58with knowledge
08:59that they're going
08:59to deliver them to kids.
09:01You're not,
09:01you're not functioning
09:02as a doctor anymore.
09:03As authorities build
09:05their case
09:05against Dr. Zahorian,
09:07a federal official
09:08mentions the investigation
09:09to a colleague
09:11who has ties
09:12to the WWF.
09:13The news reaches
09:14the desk
09:15of Vince McMahon's
09:16wife, Linda,
09:16who commands
09:17the company
09:18distance itself
09:19from Dr. Zahorian.
09:21Yeah,
09:21the internal memos were,
09:22we don't want
09:22this guy at our shows
09:23anymore,
09:23and we need
09:24to be really cautious
09:25because the landscape
09:26has changed right now.
09:28They used that tape
09:29of Zahorian
09:30to then get a search warrant.
09:32On the wall
09:32of his office,
09:33they saw that famous
09:35picture of him
09:37standing there
09:37with Hulk on one side
09:39and Vince on the other side
09:41and thought,
09:41oh, what do we have here?
09:43As authorities probe
09:45Dr. Zahorian's
09:46drug-dealing enterprise,
09:47a trail of evidence
09:49leads them straight
09:50to the doorsteps
09:51of WWF wrestlers.
09:53I got a knock
09:54on my front door.
09:55He introduced himself
09:57to me and says
09:58he's an FBI agent
09:59and started explaining
10:01to me that I had
10:03gotten three FedEx
10:04packages from Dr. Zahorian
10:06and they knew
10:08everything that was
10:09in the package.
10:10They would go
10:11right into
10:12the mail center.
10:14They'd ask for
10:16any packages
10:16sent out of
10:17Dr. Zahorian's office.
10:19Then they would
10:20open,
10:21they would film
10:22so they had
10:23all the evidence.
10:24It was put back in
10:25as if it were not touched.
10:28You would open it
10:29and never in your
10:30wildest dreams
10:31think that the FBI
10:32was looking at it
10:33at the FedEx mail center
10:34and had pictures
10:35of everything
10:36that came to your doorstep.
10:38He said,
10:39you can come testify
10:40and in exchange
10:43we won't prosecute you.
10:45I said,
10:46fair enough.
10:46I just sat down
10:48on my table
10:49and I said,
10:50wow,
10:51I can't believe
10:52this is actually happening.
10:54The wrestler said
10:55that when they
10:56couldn't see
10:56Dr. Zahorian personally,
10:58he sent them steroids
11:00by Federal Express.
11:01Records show
11:02several Federal Express
11:04shipments
11:04from Dr. Zahorian
11:06to Terry Bolle,
11:07better known
11:08to his fans
11:09as Hulk Hogan.
11:11Five wrestlers
11:12are set to testify
11:13against Dr. Zahorian,
11:15including Hulk Hogan
11:16whose appearance
11:17could spell disaster
11:19for him,
11:20Vince McMahon
11:21and the entire
11:22wrestling world.
11:30Seeking to avoid
11:31the publicity
11:32linking him
11:32to steroid use,
11:34lawyer Jerry McDivitt
11:36is enlisted
11:36to get Hogan
11:37excused
11:38from testifying.
11:39Hulk was riding high.
11:41He had been on the cover
11:42of Sports Illustrated.
11:43He was as big
11:44in that time period
11:45as Michael Jordan
11:46was in basketball.
11:48They wanted to have
11:49a big high-profile trial
11:50at that time
11:51to sort of get it
11:52out there
11:53that the law
11:53is different now
11:54with respect to steroids.
11:56And I think that had
11:56a lot to do
11:57with why they brought
11:59WWE people in.
12:00It was pretty obvious
12:01that they were going
12:02to get a conviction
12:02on the ten counts
12:03that involved Bill Dunn.
12:04And at the same token,
12:07none of the wrestlers
12:07had done anything wrong.
12:08The fact that Piper
12:09was there
12:10and not Hogan
12:11at the Zaharian trial
12:12is one of these mysteries.
12:13It's like,
12:14why were some guys
12:15forced to go?
12:16Why were some guys
12:17given a pass?
12:19He was a little bit
12:20unique from the other people
12:21because Terry had
12:22what I regarded to be
12:23a doctor-patient relationship
12:25with Dr. Zaharian.
12:27He had consulted
12:28with Dr. Zaharian
12:29about various medical issues
12:31involving him
12:32and his wife
12:33and having children.
12:35So I decided
12:36that I would present
12:37an argument to the judge
12:38that the government
12:39had no compelling reason
12:40to do this
12:40because it would compromise
12:42his medical privacy rights
12:44to have to go
12:44on a witness stand
12:45and explain
12:45why he did what he did.
12:47And it would just serve
12:48to victimize somebody
12:49who had not committed
12:50any crime.
12:51He was dismissed
12:52from testifying
12:53because it might be
12:54injurious to his career.
12:56Well, it should be
12:57injurious to his career
12:58if he was on drugs,
13:00if his whole persona
13:01was say your prayers
13:02and take your vitamins, kids.
13:04My name is Phil Mushnick.
13:05I'm a sports columnist
13:07with the New York Post.
13:08And in the 1980s,
13:09I began to write
13:10about the drug scandals
13:12within the World Wrestling Federation.
13:14How do you get dismissed
13:15from testifying
13:16because it might hurt you
13:18to tell the truth?
13:19A person in the media
13:20called me up and said,
13:21Ronald Reagan
13:22had to testify
13:23in Oliver North's case
13:24despite his not wanting
13:25to testify.
13:26How did Hulk Hogan
13:26get out of testifying?
13:28And I remember
13:29my answer was,
13:29well, maybe Reagan
13:31had the wrong lawyer.
13:33After just three hours
13:35of deliberation,
13:36the jury finds
13:37Dr. Zahorian
13:38guilty of selling
13:40steroids to wrestlers
13:41who were not
13:42his legitimate patients.
13:44But despite
13:45the disgraced doctor
13:46taking the fall,
13:48Vince McMahon
13:48and the WWF
13:49do not emerge unscathed.
13:52On the last day,
13:53the lawyer
13:54for Zahorian
13:55goes,
13:57Vince McMahon
13:57and Hulk Hogan
13:58bought their steroids
13:59from Zahorian.
13:59Now, that's when
14:00they both had to go
14:00to the media
14:01and say something.
14:02A promise
14:03that the World Wrestling Federation
14:05will be the standard bearer
14:07for drug-free
14:08sports and entertainment.
14:10Today, Vince McMahon,
14:12head of the World Wrestling Federation,
14:13held a press conference
14:14announcing that
14:15the Federation
14:15will be enacting
14:16a drug testing policy
14:17that will include
14:18testing for steroids.
14:20At the press conference
14:21at the Plaza Hotel
14:21in 1991
14:22when Vince announced
14:23his steroid policy.
14:25By chance
14:26or by design,
14:27the same night,
14:28Hulk Hogan
14:29is appearing
14:30on Arsenio Hall.
14:31Did you ever discuss
14:32with Terry
14:33his appearance
14:34on Arsenio?
14:35Yes,
14:36but I can't tell you
14:36what the discussion was
14:38because that's privilege.
14:40Your name came up
14:42recently
14:43when a doctor
14:44got himself into trouble.
14:45This is going to be
14:46a tough thing
14:47because if he goes out
14:47on TV
14:48and tells the truth,
14:49it's like his image
14:50is going to be shot.
14:51So basically
14:52what I'd like to do
14:53is with all due respect
14:54inform you
14:55and everybody else
14:56that's misinformed
14:57by the newspapers.
14:58So he weaseled
15:00his way down
15:01to something
15:01that sounded less offensive
15:02but still to his mind
15:04felt like an admission
15:05of something.
15:06On three different occasions
15:07I had the same type
15:08muscle injuries.
15:09That is the extent
15:10of Hulk Hogan's
15:11steroid use.
15:11And it's like
15:12I took steroids
15:13three times
15:14back in 1983.
15:15I tore my bicep.
15:16I used it for rehab.
15:17And then it was just like
15:18oh my God.
15:20It was just a complete
15:20utter lie.
15:21I'm not a steroid abuser
15:23and I do not use steroids.
15:25Vince did not want
15:27Hogan to say
15:27what he said.
15:28Certainly Vince
15:28told me that.
15:29You know,
15:29he said I told Hogan
15:30to tell the truth
15:31and he didn't tell
15:32the complete truth.
15:33If you train,
15:33say your prayers,
15:34eat your vitamins
15:34and believe in yourself
15:36just like I have done,
15:37brother,
15:37you can have everything
15:38you want out of life
15:39and I'm not ashamed
15:40of anything I've done.
15:41What he said
15:41did not pass
15:42the public sniff test
15:43and everybody thought
15:44okay that guy's a liar
15:45he's covering something up.
15:46Okay we'll take a commercial
15:47and come right back.
15:49After Hogan's appearance
15:50on Arsenio Hall,
15:52McMahon was called
15:53to answer for a range
15:54of scandalous allegations
15:56on the Phil Donahue show.
15:58This bright audience
15:59knows damn well
16:01that steroids were used.
16:02I think Vince McMahon
16:03didn't like me.
16:05Something that happened
16:06on the Phil Donahue show
16:08where I caught him
16:09in a lie basically.
16:10I mean we're on the panel
16:11and I said,
16:13Vince,
16:13didn't you say
16:15in published reports
16:15that you were devastated
16:16when you found out
16:17that Hulk Hogan lied
16:18on Arsenio Hall?
16:20I wasn't devastated.
16:21And he goes,
16:22I never said I was devastated.
16:23And Dave Meltzer said,
16:25oh yes you did,
16:25you told me.
16:26That was the word
16:26used to me.
16:27It wasn't.
16:27Well alright.
16:31I'm just sitting here
16:32going like,
16:33you told me this.
16:34I'm not going to sit here
16:35and say nothing
16:36when that's the exact
16:37word you used.
16:38And then he gave me
16:39a look like,
16:40if looks could kill,
16:41I wouldn't be around anymore.
16:45The day of the Donahue show,
16:46something really,
16:49really scary happened.
16:51I had an apartment
16:52on Long Island.
16:53There was a knock
16:54on the door.
16:55I wasn't there.
16:56My mom,
16:57who used to live with me,
16:59she opened the door up
17:00and there were two gentlemen
17:01standing there
17:01and they asked
17:02if John Arezzi lived there.
17:04And my mom said,
17:05yeah my son lives here.
17:07Please tell your son
17:08he lives in a dangerous
17:09neighborhood.
17:10And I was like,
17:11what was that all about?
17:13You know?
17:14That's sort of part
17:14of the problem
17:15with these guys.
17:15They have vivid imaginations.
17:17They say these things
17:18and nobody would care enough
17:20about a John Arezzi
17:21to send black suited guys
17:23to the house.
17:24That's the kind of fables
17:25that they tell
17:25to sort of give themselves
17:26an importance
17:27that they don't have.
17:30And what happened
17:31was Phil Mushnick
17:32started writing
17:33these hit pieces.
17:35And it just seems
17:36as though they're all
17:37ganging up on us
17:38all at one time.
17:39And said he was worse
17:40than Hannibal Lecter.
17:42You're going to call him
17:42something like that
17:43because people did something
17:46that was legal to do
17:47when they did it.
17:48McDivitt's tactics
17:49going after journalists
17:50are, you know,
17:51right out of central casting
17:52from old courtroom dramas.
17:54He perceived it was wrong
17:55that Hulk Hogan
17:56had been excused
17:58from testifying
17:59and called out for,
18:01in one of his writings,
18:02another federal investigation
18:04of the WWE.
18:05And the Eastern District
18:07prosecutors read that
18:08and took up his call
18:09for another investigation.
18:11He's flattering me.
18:12I had no idea
18:14I had this kind of muscle.
18:16And I was actually up
18:18at the WWE's headquarters.
18:19We got the first
18:20of what became
18:21seven or eight
18:22grand jury subpoenas
18:24issued from the
18:25Eastern District of New York
18:26that commenced
18:28the investigation.
18:29I think it was
18:29on April 2nd of 1992.
18:32I remember talking about it
18:35with Vince
18:35and he asked me
18:36to represent him in it.
18:38And you just kind of know
18:40in this business
18:41certain things,
18:42you know,
18:42the minute you get
18:43the subpoena
18:45what the result's
18:46going to be.
18:47This is not going to be
18:48an investigation
18:49where they're going to
18:50look into something
18:51and then say,
18:52okay, nothing there.
18:53This is a witch hunt.
19:01The grand jury investigation
19:03would allow prosecutors
19:04to assemble evidence
19:06and gather witnesses
19:07for an eventual indictment.
19:09Under a cloud of suspicion,
19:11McMahon and his legal team
19:13brace for the inevitable.
19:14They're going to find
19:15something to throw
19:16at the wall
19:16and see if they can
19:17get you a plea bargain
19:18or something or whatever.
19:19So hunker down.
19:20For the next 18 months,
19:22it was sort of the feeling
19:23of being stalked
19:24because you know
19:25somebody is following
19:27you around,
19:27looking at everything
19:28you do,
19:29and that they are
19:30eventually going to
19:30try to harm you.
19:31And there's no limit
19:32to how long the government
19:33can go on to do that
19:35to you.
19:35And so when I started
19:37teaching myself
19:38everything I could learn
19:39about steroids,
19:40all you can do
19:41is prepare for what
19:43you know is going to come.
19:45With a grand jury
19:46investigation in full swing,
19:48the WWF's woes
19:49become tabloid fodder.
19:51I was told by McMahon
19:53that I was an FBI informant.
19:56Well, I think, you know,
19:57they leak various things
19:59to the media
20:00so the media writes
20:01a story that what I call
20:03further demonizes the target,
20:05builds public support
20:06for the prosecution,
20:08and in exchange,
20:08they have inside sources
20:10of the investigation
20:11and things of that nature.
20:13They all, of course,
20:14deny that any of that
20:15stuff goes on,
20:16but, you know, it does.
20:17I was an FBI informant.
20:19What I wrote,
20:20they'd read,
20:21and then they acted on it.
20:23So I guess I informed them
20:25as well as every other
20:27reader of that column.
20:29You've got to understand,
20:31leading up to that trial,
20:33McMahon's not just
20:34taking me sitting down.
20:36He's got me trailed.
20:38He's got a group
20:39called Fairfax Partners,
20:41former FBI agents,
20:42who are looking for anything
20:44they can get on me.
20:45I actually ran into
20:47one of these guys.
20:48I found out who he was.
20:49He was investigating me.
20:51And we're laughing,
20:52and we're drinking,
20:53and we're getting along great.
20:55He says to me,
20:56listen,
20:56I know you're a good guy,
20:58but this is my job.
21:00I said,
21:00that's a lousy job.
21:02And I told him,
21:03I said,
21:04I smoked a lot of pot
21:05in college.
21:06Go with it.
21:07Go with it.
21:08Take me down.
21:08And he was laughing.
21:10He's laughing.
21:11As prosecutors subpoena witnesses,
21:14media reports indicate
21:15that McMahon's limo driver,
21:17James Stewart,
21:18is prepared to testify
21:20that McMahon ordered him
21:21to deliver a shipment
21:22of steroids to Hulk Hogan.
21:25Why do you think
21:26they didn't call him
21:26as a witness in Fitz's trial?
21:29Probably because
21:30he had brought a lawsuit
21:31against the WWE
21:33for some,
21:34I can't even remember
21:35what reasons he conjured up.
21:37And when I took
21:38his deposition,
21:40I caught him dead
21:41to rights,
21:42perjuring himself.
21:43I don't think
21:44he'd want to put
21:44on a witness stand
21:45somebody who had admitted
21:46to committing perjury
21:47and other proceedings.
21:48In the midst
21:49of the federal investigation,
21:51the WWF initiates
21:53a dramatic overhaul
21:54of the types of physiques
21:55it features on television.
21:57Because of the steroid scandal,
21:58Vince McMahon
21:59couldn't keep Hogan around.
22:00It's like a slap
22:01in the hawkster's face, baby!
22:03Hogan was the star
22:04of the show.
22:05It had been for years
22:06and years and years.
22:07But it was coming time
22:09that Vince wanted
22:10to get younger.
22:11Vince McMahon
22:11is probably thinking,
22:12do I want
22:12a diminished,
22:14thinner Hulk Hogan
22:14as my centerpiece,
22:16advertising to my audience
22:17how important steroids
22:18were to his look.
22:19So Vince McMahon
22:20had to shift his focus
22:21to smaller wrestlers
22:22who were more athletic.
22:23Despite the WWF
22:25veering away
22:25from excessively
22:26muscular body types
22:28and Hulk Hogan
22:29departing the company,
22:30in November of 1993,
22:33the hammer finally drops.
22:34We were in New York,
22:36walked in the restaurant,
22:37all the news was on.
22:39McMahon indicted
22:40and whatnot.
22:40The indictment says
22:41that McMahon
22:42and a doctor
22:43conspired to distribute
22:44steroids to the wrestlers
22:46to enhance their size
22:47and muscle development.
22:49Everybody in the restaurant
22:50was saying things like,
22:51go get him, Vinny!
22:53You know,
22:53they were cheering for him.
22:56We were kind of celebrating
22:57that he got indicted
22:58because now we get a chance
23:00to put an end to this thing.
23:01You know,
23:02after 18 months
23:02of getting bled to death
23:03in the media
23:04and all the accusations,
23:05please,
23:06just give me a chance
23:07to go in a courtroom
23:08and kick their butt
23:08because that's the only way
23:10this is going to end.
23:11If convicted,
23:12McMahon faces
23:12eight years in prison
23:13and half a million dollars
23:15in fines.
23:16That whole trial
23:16was like a circus.
23:18There were wrestling fans there,
23:20there were newsletter writers there,
23:22Vince's family
23:22that would show up
23:23every day
23:24in the courtroom.
23:25Stephanie and Shane,
23:26they were not confident,
23:28they were scared
23:28and they loved their dad
23:30and they wanted to protect
23:31the family empire
23:32at that point also.
23:33And then Vince shows up
23:35wearing this neck brace
23:36and, you know,
23:36everyone is kind of
23:38laughing at it.
23:39People are like,
23:40you've got to be kidding me.
23:42You're actually playing
23:43on the jury for sympathy
23:44in a neck brace?
23:45Vince McMahon
23:46was the baby face
23:47to this audience,
23:48which was funny to me
23:48because it's like
23:49cheering for, like,
23:50the guy on trial.
23:52Here we go.
23:53It's a wrestling angle.
23:55I know there was
23:55a lot of speculation
23:56that that was for sympathy.
23:57When it wasn't,
23:58it was very real.
23:59It actually had neck surgery.
24:01He knew he was going
24:02to have to be at that trial
24:03and scheduled it
24:04so that he would have
24:05that done then
24:06so he wouldn't have to
24:07be on TV
24:08with a neck brace on.
24:09So that's why
24:09it was set for that time.
24:11The prosecution team,
24:13led by Sean O'Shea,
24:15have a lineup
24:15of WWF superstar witnesses
24:18set to testify,
24:19including the Ultimate Warrior
24:21and Hulk Hogan.
24:23Jerry McDivitt's
24:24prior representation
24:25of Hogan
24:26at the Zahorian trial
24:28is regarded
24:29as a conflict of interest,
24:30forcing McMahon's team
24:32to bring in reinforcements.
24:34Laura had been
24:36a former prosecutor,
24:37very well regarded,
24:38so I said,
24:39this is what we'll do.
24:40I will represent WWE.
24:42Laura will represent
24:43Vince personally
24:44and will rely on
24:45Laura's cross-examination
24:47of Hogan.
24:47They couldn't then
24:48use my prior representation
24:50to knock me out of the case.
24:52And that also gave us
24:53the advantage
24:54of having double openings,
24:56double closings,
24:58two people doing
24:59cross-examinations
25:00and whatnot.
25:02They sent me a subpoena,
25:04said,
25:04we'd like you to
25:04be at the trial
25:05on this day.
25:06The best thing I did
25:07was just tell the truth.
25:08Vince never came to me
25:10face to face
25:10and said,
25:11Terry,
25:11if you don't take steroids,
25:13you don't have a job.
25:14Apparently,
25:15you said on the stand
25:15you never bought
25:16from Zahorian
25:17because his prices
25:18were too high.
25:19It's true.
25:20His prices were like
25:21four times
25:22what I could get it for.
25:23And it was like
25:23emblematic of their case.
25:24They had so many people
25:25that came in and said,
25:26yes, I use steroids.
25:27I use steroids
25:28before I ever came
25:29to the WWE
25:30and I didn't buy them
25:31from Dr. Zahorian
25:32and you're left there
25:33sitting and scratching
25:33your head thinking,
25:34why are they even here?
25:35The whole thing to me
25:36was just a big witch hunt.
25:37They just wanted
25:39to go after Vince
25:39for something.
25:40Other wrestlers
25:41describe steroid regimens
25:43that they began
25:44long before coming
25:45to the WWF,
25:47but that changed
25:48under McMahon's direction
25:49when the law shifted
25:51in 1990
25:53until one finally delivers
25:55what looks like
25:56a knockout punch.
26:04I came out here
26:08for one reason.
26:10When Kevin Wacholtz,
26:12the wrestler Nails,
26:13gave testimony,
26:14his story was that
26:15Vince McMahon told him,
26:16we need you
26:16to get on steroids.
26:18And then we showed
26:18the jury a picture
26:19of how he performed,
26:20which was in his orange outfit
26:21that covered his body.
26:23So he wasn't a performer,
26:25like an ultimate warrior
26:26or somebody whose body
26:27you actually saw.
26:29So why McMahon would want
26:30him to be on steroids
26:30in the midst of a controversy
26:31that can hurt his company
26:33and when an outfit
26:34wouldn't reveal any muscles
26:35really seems questionable
26:37or lacking credibility.
26:38At the end, she was like,
26:39do you have any animosity
26:40towards Vince McMahon?
26:41And he goes, no.
26:43And she just goes,
26:44he doesn't know
26:44what the word animosity means.
26:46And then she goes,
26:46do you hate Vince McMahon?
26:47And he goes, yes.
26:48I think the whole thing is weak.
26:50Do you believe
26:50that he's essentially innocent?
26:51I think he took professional wrestling
26:54to a level of success
26:55and he made a lot of enemies.
26:57After a string of disappointments
26:59for prosecutors
27:00desperate to convince the jury
27:01McMahon conspired
27:02with Dr. Zahorian,
27:04they bring in Zahorian
27:05directly from his prison cell
27:07to testify against McMahon.
27:10And during his direct examination,
27:12Dr. Zahorian kept vaguely referring
27:14to some letter he had written,
27:15which we didn't have a copy of.
27:17Finally, the judge ordered them
27:19to turn over any letters
27:20that they had received
27:21from Dr. Zahorian.
27:22And it's all in the midst
27:23of the trial.
27:24And this document gets turned over
27:26while Zahorian's on the witness deal.
27:28And so I'm reading it
27:29and I was stunned.
27:30Dated May 19th, 1993.
27:34Dear Mr. O'Shea,
27:35as you know,
27:37I recently testified
27:38before the federal grand jury.
27:39My testimony was required by you
27:41pursuant to subpoena,
27:43but I nonetheless consented
27:44and agreed to cooperate.
27:46As a result,
27:47I was transported
27:49by the federal marshals
27:50in handcuffs,
27:51waist chains,
27:52and leg chains
27:53and detained
27:55at various prisons
27:56for a period of 44 days
27:57under conditions
27:59more appropriate
28:00for violent
28:00maximum security inmates.
28:03They take him
28:04for 44 days
28:06on this tour
28:07of these various
28:08solitary confinement
28:10and whatnot.
28:10And he has no idea
28:12what's happening to me.
28:13What is this about?
28:14Nobody tells him anything.
28:16He arrives in the
28:17Eastern District of New York
28:19and he's taken into the grand jury
28:20without any preparation
28:21at all.
28:23And they ask him,
28:24well, we've been told
28:25about some conversation
28:26you supposedly had
28:27with Vince McMahon
28:29about steroids.
28:31Can you tell us about that?
28:33And his answer was,
28:35I don't know what you're talking about.
28:37And they take him
28:38out of the room.
28:40After he's taken out of the room,
28:41he's put in these
28:42other hell holes
28:43in New York,
28:44solitary confinement.
28:45And I remember
28:47reading that to the jury
28:49and thinking like,
28:50this is the kind of stuff
28:52that gets done in America
28:53to get somebody?
28:55After that,
28:56they bring him back
28:57in the grand jury room
28:58and before they do,
28:59they tell him,
29:00we have this tape recording
29:01of you with Bill Dunn.
29:03You were indicating
29:04that you were willing
29:05to sell steroids
29:06to kids,
29:07which you haven't been
29:08charged with yet.
29:09And so they've asked
29:10the same question.
29:11Did you have a conversation
29:12with Vince?
29:13And so then all of a sudden,
29:15yeah, I did have
29:15a conversation with Vince.
29:17While on the stand,
29:19Dr. Zahorian recounts
29:21a meeting with McMahon
29:22where he disclosed
29:23that he was selling drugs
29:24to his wrestlers,
29:25but McMahon never told him
29:27to stop.
29:28And that sole conversation
29:30then becomes
29:31the only basis
29:32for charging Vince
29:34was having some conspiracy
29:35of any kind
29:36with Dr. Zahorian.
29:38Nothing in that conversation
29:39of course has anything
29:40to do with defrauding
29:41the FDA or anything like it.
29:43When questioned
29:44by prosecutors,
29:45Dr. Zahorian denied
29:47his treatment was malicious
29:48or influenced his testimony.
29:52Pre-trial interactions
29:54with witnesses
29:54were apparently
29:55not only limited
29:56to prosecutors.
29:58Vince McMahon's
29:59personal assistant,
30:00Emily Feinberg,
30:01had intimate knowledge
30:02of his own steroid use
30:04and records
30:05of financial transactions
30:07between McMahon
30:08and Zahorian
30:09that could shatter
30:11his defense.
30:12I remember watching
30:13Laura Bavetti
30:14cross-examine
30:15Emily Feinberg
30:16and it's like,
30:16she has ESP,
30:18she knows every answer
30:19and she's got her comeback
30:19on every answer.
30:20Like, immediately.
30:22And I never thought
30:22anything about it
30:23until that story
30:24in the Village Voice
30:25came up.
30:26Marty Bergman
30:26was the secret husband
30:28of Laura Bavetti.
30:29Her husband
30:30was talking to me
30:31as like another reporter
30:33discussing the trial
30:34before the trial.
30:34And he calls me
30:36and he's representing
30:38himself
30:39as representing
30:4060 Minutes.
30:42And I go,
30:43yeah.
30:44Tell me about McMahon.
30:46What do you know
30:47that you haven't written
30:48that we can get into?
30:50I said,
30:51I don't know
30:51what I know
30:52I've written.
30:53And if I knew
30:54something else
30:55I'd write it
30:55and I wouldn't tell you.
30:56I remember calling
30:58my wife's cousin
31:00who's an entertainment lawyer
31:01and I said,
31:02I heard from
31:03one of 60 Minutes'
31:05producers today.
31:07And he said,
31:08what's the name?
31:09He says,
31:09well,
31:09he's not a producer.
31:11That's his brother.
31:12He said,
31:12he's not a producer?
31:14He said,
31:14no.
31:16I read that he told
31:17Emily Feinberg
31:18that he was going to
31:19get like book deals
31:20and things like this.
31:21He was pumping her
31:22for info
31:23and Laura's there
31:25with every rebuff
31:25right there.
31:26It's like,
31:27she knew everything.
31:28It was unbelievable.
31:29I knew Marty.
31:30He was a good guy.
31:32I like Marty.
31:32He was Mr. New York
31:33as far as I was concerned.
31:35And if there had been
31:36anything that he had done
31:37that constituted
31:38witness tampering,
31:39they would have brought it out
31:40when she was on the witness stand
31:41and there was nothing like that.
31:43Vince McMahon himself
31:45addressed the allegations
31:46shortly after
31:48they appeared in print.
31:49I wish to state
31:50that my heart goes out
31:51to my attorney,
31:52Laura Bavetti,
31:53and her husband,
31:53Marty Bergman.
31:54These same yellow journalists
31:56who had to eat crow
31:57for telling lies
31:59are once again
32:00incestuously
32:01joining forces,
32:02trying to drum up support
32:04for their own
32:04personal agenda,
32:06trying to manufacture
32:07some reason
32:07to save face,
32:09attempting to perpetuate
32:11some theory
32:12of witness tampering.
32:14Gentlemen,
32:15is that the best
32:16you can do?
32:17The establishing
32:19a venue,
32:20a legal requirement
32:21that cases
32:22are brought
32:22in the area
32:23where the alleged
32:24crimes occurred,
32:25becomes a key point
32:26in the trial.
32:27Although Dr. Zahourian
32:29sold steroids
32:30in Pennsylvania,
32:31the charges
32:32against Vince
32:33and the WWF
32:34were brought
32:35by the Eastern District
32:36of New York.
32:38Prosecutors
32:38need to demonstrate
32:39that some steroid
32:41distribution
32:41happened
32:42in the Eastern District.
32:44The thing I can't
32:45understand is why
32:46the government
32:47indicted
32:48McMahon
32:49on Long Island
32:51when all
32:52the paper trails
32:54were right there
32:55in his backyard
32:56in Stamford, Connecticut.
32:57I thought that was
32:59folly.
33:01They principally
33:02tried to use her
33:03to establish venue
33:04by suggesting
33:06that she had
33:07taken some steroids
33:08and delivered them
33:10to Hulk Hogan
33:11through a driver.
33:13And so they
33:14got her up
33:15on the witness stand
33:16and said,
33:16well, I think
33:17they were delivered,
33:17you know,
33:18between Madison Square Garden
33:20or Nassau Coliseum
33:22and whatnot.
33:23So we had to
33:24dissect that testimony
33:26by showing
33:26okay,
33:28here's the date
33:28you received the steroids,
33:30here's the agent's reports
33:31for when the WWE
33:32performed at Nassau Coliseum.
33:35There's no match
33:36between the two.
33:37How in the world
33:37would you have delivered
33:38anything to Hulk Hogan
33:39at Nassau Coliseum
33:41when he wasn't even there
33:42in those dates, so.
33:43That was like
33:44one of the counts
33:45that Vince was being
33:45indicted on
33:46and that charge
33:47was thrown out.
33:48It's like,
33:49why was that charge
33:50there in the first place?
33:51The witness who could
33:52do the most damage
33:53would be Hulk Hogan
33:54who had recently signed
33:56with McMahon's rival,
33:58WCW.
33:59Hogan is granted
34:00immunity for anything
34:02he would reveal
34:02on the stand
34:03about how he got
34:04his steroids
34:05from Dr. Zahorian
34:06while working
34:07for McMahon.
34:08There was no doubt
34:10that all of this
34:11steroid scandal stuff
34:13caused a rift
34:14between Hogan
34:15and McMahon
34:16and there were
34:18expectations
34:19that Hogan
34:20was going to go in there
34:21and kind of buried
34:22Vince.
34:29When Hogan came
34:30in the courtroom
34:31Hulk Hogan
34:35testifying
34:36could seal the deal
34:37for the prosecution
34:38and send Vince
34:38to prison for years.
34:39He is the person
34:41the prosecution said
34:42bought drugs
34:43from Vince McMahon.
34:44And what are you
34:44going to do
34:45when Hulkamania
34:46destroys you?
34:48It was very dramatic.
34:50I felt sorry
34:51that he was going
34:52to get drugged
34:52through it again.
34:53Hulk Hogan
34:54is finally here.
34:54What is he going to say?
34:55I know what was
34:56on the line there
34:57and the problem was
34:58that if there was
34:59Vince McMahon
34:59in jail
35:00they should have put
35:00the whole wrestling
35:01committee in jail.
35:02He didn't sell them.
35:04He didn't inject people.
35:05He didn't do it.
35:06Hogan framed it
35:07to the shock
35:08of the prosecutors
35:09and to people
35:11gasping in the
35:12courtroom quietly.
35:13We were gym buddies.
35:14We were friends.
35:15Sometimes I had
35:16extra chariots
35:16I gave them to Vince.
35:17Sometimes Vince
35:17had extra chariots
35:18he gave them to me.
35:19That doesn't make him
35:19a drug dealer.
35:20I mean he was
35:21the big dog
35:21and when he walks in
35:23and says
35:23it doesn't have anything
35:25to do with a conspiracy
35:27there goes their case.
35:29He kind of just
35:30like exonerated Vince
35:32for any implication
35:33of his involvement
35:34at all
35:34which to this day
35:36is kind of
35:36something you wonder about.
35:45Having watched it
35:46I felt Hogan's testimony
35:47was very beneficial
35:49to Vince.
35:49Vince didn't see it
35:50that way.
35:51Vince was furious
35:52Hogan testified
35:52against him.
35:54Yeah I think
35:54they didn't want
35:55any part of each other
35:56towards the end
35:57it was kind of like
35:57you go your way
35:59I go my way
36:00and nice knowing you pal.
36:03McMahon spokesman says
36:04Hulk Hogan
36:04body slammed
36:05the prosecution.
36:09Why didn't you
36:10have Vince testify?
36:12I mean
36:12what would he say?
36:14There was no evidence
36:15against Vince
36:16other than that
36:17silly conversation
36:18I told you
36:19that Dr. Zoran
36:20trotted out
36:20after he went
36:21through his 44 days
36:22of traveling
36:23through solitary
36:24confinement in jails
36:25but there was nothing
36:26even about that
36:27conversation
36:28even if it occurred
36:29that was incriminating.
36:33Sean O'Shea
36:34and his closing
36:34argument went
36:35from reserved
36:37to explosive
36:39and bombastic
36:40and it was
36:41a flurry
36:42of language
36:43that painted
36:44Vince McMahon
36:45in a villainous way.
36:46He goes
36:47you know who has
36:48no respect for wrestling?
36:49Vince McMahon.
36:51It was like an amazing
36:52pro wrestling promo.
36:54Corporate drug dealers
36:55and all this
36:56just horribly inflammatory
36:58terms that most judges
37:00wouldn't let a prosecutor
37:01get away with doing
37:01because they don't
37:02have anything to do
37:03with the facts
37:04and they're just
37:04trying to prejudice
37:05the jury.
37:09And he starts
37:10talking about how
37:10it was the hundreds
37:11of millions of dollars
37:12that Vince McMahon
37:13made off of these steroids
37:15off of these guys.
37:16I mean he did
37:16a great speech.
37:19O'Shea
37:19I think at that point
37:20framed it as
37:22you need to take down
37:23Vince McMahon
37:23because he's
37:25treating wrestlers
37:26as slabs of meat
37:27to make money
37:28and gain power
37:29and fame
37:29and this was
37:30nefarious
37:31and intentional
37:31and he knew
37:32what he was doing.
37:34I went out
37:35in the hall
37:36and Stephanie
37:36was out in the hallway
37:38and she was
37:38a young girl then
37:41and she was crying.
37:56and I always
37:59really liked Stephanie
38:02and she was very upset
38:03at the things he was saying
38:05about her father
38:06and I just remember
38:07saying to her,
38:08Steph
38:09you haven't heard me yet.
38:11Just wait.
38:14This case is all sizzle
38:16no steak
38:16all icing
38:17no cake.
38:18Whenever we were
38:19doing our research
38:20and I was plumbing
38:20the FDA files
38:22I came across these documents
38:24for a drug called
38:25Anivar
38:26which is a very
38:26powerful steroid
38:28and it was a memo
38:29where the FDA
38:30was meeting with
38:31the manufacturer
38:32telling them
38:33that Anivar
38:34was not safe
38:35for human consumption
38:36and that it had to be
38:38removed from the market.
38:39This drug
38:40has been given
38:41to many of these men
38:42who are coming in here
38:43to testify
38:44in this case.
38:46It demonstrates
38:46how inept
38:48they were
38:49in regulation
38:50when your
38:51internal memos
38:52say
38:53that you have
38:54determined
38:55that Anivar
38:55is unfit
38:56for human consumption
38:57and should be
38:58removed from the market
38:58and you know
39:00they didn't do that.
39:01The jurors
39:02passed a note
39:03to the judge
39:04saying
39:04we want to know
39:05whether what
39:06Mr. McDivitt
39:07is saying
39:07is true or not.
39:08Did they
39:09not remove
39:10Anivar
39:10from the market?
39:11And we go to the sidebar
39:13and O'Shea
39:13is
39:14don't tell them
39:14judge
39:15don't tell them
39:15I'm going
39:16tell them the truth
39:17tell them
39:17tell them the truth
39:19and so eventually
39:20the judge tells him
39:21no it wasn't
39:22removed from the market.
39:23I thought at that point
39:24the jury really gets it.
39:26They understand
39:27hypocrisy
39:28this whole prosecution
39:29for them to be
39:30coming in here
39:30saying these men
39:32were some part
39:32of some plan
39:33to defraud
39:34the government agency
39:35that's supposed to be
39:36protecting them
39:36when the government agency
39:38that's supposed to be
39:38protecting them
39:39failed them completely.
39:41When it came down
39:41to closing arguments
39:42he really honed in
39:43on the idea of
39:44the unfairness
39:45of the system
39:46but it was part of
39:47a theme in his
39:47closing argument
39:48of the government
39:49is coming after
39:50this family business
39:51over flimsy arguments
39:53that you've watched
39:54fall apart
39:54before your very eyes
39:55the last three weeks.
39:56You know maybe
39:57I'm an optimist
39:58but I didn't spend
39:59one minute of my time
40:00thinking about losing.
40:08When the jury's coming in
40:09you don't only
40:11feel your heart
40:12you hear it
40:13beating.
40:14I could hear
40:15Linda's heart
40:16beating.
40:17She was sitting
40:18right next to me
40:19and so it's a very
40:21intense moment.
40:22In the criminal context
40:24there's so much more
40:24at stake than money.
40:26It's your liberty
40:26it's your life
40:27the survival
40:28of the company
40:29it's everything.
40:29In the federal court
40:32it's in the high 90s
40:33percentage of cases
40:35that are indicted
40:36they're either
40:36resolved by
40:37a guilty verdict
40:38or plea bargain.
40:40It's an extremely
40:41low percentage
40:42like 2-5%
40:45that ever go to trial
40:46and where there's
40:48an acquittal
40:48and you can probably
40:50count
40:50on one hand
40:52where the defendant
40:53is acquitted
40:54without calling
40:55a single witness.
40:56There's no more
40:58for lack of a better
40:59word
41:01ballsy move
41:01than not to
41:02call a witness
41:04and you know
41:05it's one of those
41:06strategies
41:07that if it's
41:08successful
41:08and it works
41:10everybody's
41:11oh what a brave
41:11lawyer
41:12they didn't even
41:13call a witness
41:14but if it doesn't
41:15work
41:15and they get a
41:16conviction
41:16can you believe
41:17that idiot
41:17he didn't call
41:18a single witness
41:19to defend the guy
41:19you know
41:20I mean
41:20that's one of
41:21those
41:21you make your
41:22judgment
41:22and you'll
41:24be judged
41:25on it
41:25they took
41:26the verdict
41:27first
41:28against Vince
41:29they said
41:30not guilty
41:32meanwhile I'm
41:33sitting there
41:33you know
41:33representing WWE
41:35thinking
41:35what's the
41:36verdict on Emmy
41:37and I'm hoping
41:37don't tell me
41:38you made some
41:39compromise verdict
41:40where you're
41:40going to let
41:41Vince off
41:41but you'll
41:42find the company
41:42guilty or something
41:43that would be
41:44terrible
41:45and when
41:46it was not
41:47guilty
41:49it was almost
41:50like you know
41:51Hulk Hogan
41:52I just want to
41:52match at Madison
41:53Square Garden
41:54it was like
41:55people just
41:55popped
41:58this one is my
41:59favorite one up
42:00here
42:00the jury
42:01announces verdict
42:02that's Linda
42:03me and Vince
42:04hugging
42:04and what I always
42:06thought was
42:06interesting
42:06the hands clapping
42:08because that is
42:08what happened
42:09the jury
42:10verdict was very
42:11popular
42:12and they really
42:13were relying on
42:14the jury
42:14to see
42:16conspiracy
42:16as an
42:18overreach
42:18by the
42:18prosecution
42:19that's what it
42:20boiled down to
42:20with the jury
42:21and that's what
42:21I think they
42:22deliberated over
42:23I'm sure that
42:24he will make it
42:25out to be one
42:26of his great
42:26triumphs in his
42:27vision of history
42:28but all the
42:29testimony was that
42:30all the guys
42:31were on steroids
42:32you just didn't
42:33get convicted
42:33for being part
42:34of a conspiracy
42:34but were you
42:36built on the
42:36steroids
42:37you know
42:37were all those
42:38guys on steroids
42:39100% they were
42:40if anything
42:41all the testimony
42:42in that case
42:43proved what
42:44everyone assumed
42:44to begin with
42:45anyway
42:45when Vince McMahon
42:46was exonerated
42:48from this
42:49he became
42:49even a more
42:51larger than life
42:51personality
42:52stay tuned
42:53as we say
42:54in the world
42:54wrestling federation
42:55and it could
42:56very well be
42:56that the hunters
42:57are soon
42:58will be the hunted
43:00what does that
43:01mean Vince
43:01stay tuned
43:03Rosanna
43:05he dodged
43:06a big bullet
43:08we have this
43:11celebration back
43:12at the hotel
43:13we were at
43:14we're sitting
43:14there after
43:15I don't know
43:16probably too many
43:16cocktails
43:17that night
43:17is a verdict
43:19and I said
43:20to him
43:20Vince
43:21you can take
43:22that neck brace
43:22off now
43:23kind of kidding
43:23him
43:24you know
43:24he does
43:25he takes it
43:26off
43:26he starts waving
43:28but then he put
43:29it back on
43:30right afterwards
43:31not
43:31I don't want you
43:33to think
43:33there was
43:33nothing wrong
43:34with his neck
43:34because there was
43:35it was just
43:35kind of a funny
43:37moment
43:39how would you
43:40describe you
43:40and Vince's
43:41bond
43:43unbreakable
43:45when you represent
43:46somebody in an
43:47ordeal like this
43:48and you stay in
43:49the trenches with
43:49them and you
43:50don't blink
43:53and you fight
43:53like hell for them
43:55the loyalties
43:56you have to each
43:56other they're
43:57lifelong
43:57there's no bond
43:59that would ever
43:59break that
44:01period
44:01you
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