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00:14:38right wonderful the members of our garden club select from our youth a king and queen of
00:14:45pilgrimage these were actually worn by queens of pilgrimage over the years so they're just a
00:14:49beautiful assortment for many years the young men wore the Confederate uniform and there's been a
00:14:55move against let me say this right for many years the young men wore the costume or the I'm sorry
00:15:09wore the uniform of their ancestors the Confederate uniform there's been a movement in the past three
00:15:14or four years to kind of reduce the I'm going to get in trouble here there's been a movement within
00:15:23the past five years to take away um no there's the one thing though that I wanted to take to
00:15:39my
00:15:39grave but I I'm out it the city knows it and I was like I'm the first African-American woman
00:15:44in this
00:15:47city to become a member of a garden club garden clubs in this town are slaps in the face of
00:15:55the
00:15:55African-American community they put on the hoop skirts and they sashay around I was working for
00:16:02Monmouth Historic Inn so I'm finishing up a tour on a particular afternoon and I say to my guest oh
00:16:09and
00:16:10that is an original slave dwelling and then I started to talk about the enslaved woman Dicey and
00:16:16how she loved her tobacco just telling the story then they called me in and they said stick to the
00:16:25script
00:16:27stick to the script oh today I wrote my own script this is my own slave dwelling
00:16:37and this slave dwelling sits on the grounds of old concord the big house burned in 1901 I know
00:16:44that oftentimes people come to Natchez to see our big beautiful homes but you come here to see the
00:16:53kitchen you come here to see the quarters you're coming here to see my mother's collection of china
00:17:01from the A&P grocery store huh there is no old Sevre and old Paris and that sort of thing
00:17:08in here
00:17:09the enslaved worked in here and they slept above behind the big house is the rest of the story
00:17:23tourism is a lifeline to the city but that's weighing 30 percent in seven years or so it turns
00:17:29out that Millennials and Generation Z folks them 20-something 30-something year olds they're not
00:17:36as interested in the antebellum stories I call them the gone with the wind stories that are being told
00:17:41here as the baby boomers are and Natchez has been really reluctant to expand the narrative even in the
00:17:48face of lost revenue okay which is where I come in I'm about to violate some southern pride narratives
00:17:55with truths and facts so hold your hat on so when you're looking at these houses you're going through
00:18:04Natchez understand that they were built by slaves you know and that's the piece of the history that
00:18:10you don't get in the antebellum houses they use the word servant or help you know but these are slaves
00:18:19okay this was Dr. Duncan's servant that was their favorite servant he became the overseer of this
00:18:26house they taught him to read and write those are his actual writings right here and back then it was
00:18:34against the law yes that's what I wanted to mention you so uh Dr. Duncan he was good to his
00:18:40people
00:18:43good afternoon this is Auburn this is Gwen yeah this will be our last day to stay open
00:18:51I've been a member here 40 years for years we made really really you know good and we could pay
00:18:58our
00:18:58bills but when you get to where you can't pay your bills duh we're all going to miss doing this
00:19:07but
00:19:07it's just gotten to the point where we're all I hate to say this we're getting all too old
00:19:14I guess these aren't politically correct anymore I'm guessing what can you say
00:19:22you know older people sometimes wants it to remain the same but regardless of what you want
00:19:29you know you can't live in the past this is it this is it this is it tragic it's tragic
00:19:35I hope somebody
00:19:36keeps it open to the public so that we can see the history instead of rewriting history we continue
00:19:43the history from the back where are we from this is Hamburg Arkansas Arkansas Arkansas I think we're
00:20:06wonderful wonderful I ain't got no damn Yankees on here this gonna be a good two
00:20:14hey how did they like their money oh I'm gonna tell you baby when I get through with you you're
00:20:19gonna be able to buy a van and be my competition there you go yes sir and so if I
00:20:24forget something
00:20:24well just ask away by 1815 the textile mills in Manchester England are producing 90 percent of
00:20:32the cloth for the entire continent I said the continent of Europe and the number one raw material
00:20:38for the cloth is grown in the southern states the demand for cotton becomes insatiable newspaper ads
00:20:46in Natchez say buy more slaves to grow more cotton to buy more slaves to grow more cotton to buy
00:20:50more
00:20:51slaves to grow more cotton and the cotton kingdom my dear friends is born
00:21:01first of all I want to thank you for coming to Melrose my name is Barney and I'll be your
00:21:06tour guide
00:21:10anytime you're open for public tours you're going to have the whole world come in and they're all
00:21:16going to have their own education and their own experiences and their own expectations we can
00:21:22never be everything to everybody I mean I will speak as a southerner and as a Mississippian Natchez is a
00:21:30complicated little town because of tourism Natchez swallowed a master narrative about the old south we all
00:21:41want to want to be rich and we want to be princesses and live in palaces if it's a fairy
00:21:46tale that's one thing but if
00:21:49it's what you then decide is truth then that can be much more dangerous
00:22:13the first time I put this dress on as an older woman I probably felt the most beautiful and ladylike
00:22:20that I've ever felt in my life hello it changes the way people look at me and it changes the
00:22:31way you
00:22:32know I feel about myself I grew up always knowing that I was adopted I didn't know any specifics
00:22:41because it was a very taboo subject back then so I've struggled with a lot of things and about myself
00:22:54so when I put on this dress I felt like I belonged like I did fit in
00:23:13and that's Mississippi was built up on ambition and this lady's up north she said why is it all of
00:23:20you
00:23:20southern gent little southern gentlemen why are y'all always so arrogant I said honey we're not arrogant
00:23:26you're totally misconstrued we're just proud of what we accomplished and that's the truth there's a great
00:23:31deal of difference because let me tell you look around we worked our butts off for what you see
00:23:36for seven generations and still working them all to keep it above water very few men can say that all
00:23:46their life their business has been their hobby and all of it's been their business I had to wear my
00:23:54mic today my voice is going down y'all well our age we're the old guard now of course I'm
00:23:59only 35
00:24:01it's our damn houses that wear your butt out mentally physically financially so we're doing our
00:24:07regular tour day and on top of that our private tours then our tea dinners and things of that nature
00:24:18thank y'all for coming thank you we live in another world
00:24:26everything I do is better than chocolate it's continuous workload
00:24:37we're all crazy I think it's that humidity has affected our brain
00:24:43we better not stay too long
00:25:03David Garner at Choctaw they throw me good pieces of business from time to time
00:25:11you know every effort is made to be civil and sweet but my interactions with the garden club folks
00:25:19are surface level okay okay thank you thank you thank you I don't live in Natchez Natchez is in Adams
00:25:33County 32 miles from where I live in Jefferson County all right doc what's happening
00:25:40you still there it's been a long time ain't it so Jesus he say who do men say that I
00:25:52the son of man am
00:25:54because he knew who he was yes sir listen let me help you out with a little history you know
00:26:00I'm a big
00:26:01time history book one of the masters main tactics was to get us to hate one another the light-skinned
00:26:09slave
00:26:10better than the dark-skinned slave the house slave better than the field slave the old better than the
00:26:15young the female better than the male and resentments would arise but it really wasn't about hate one
00:26:22another it was about hating ourselves see it don't matter what the world called Christ in fact let me help
00:26:30you it
00:26:30don't matter what they call you huh and you can't let other people's opinion determine your outlook on who you
00:26:39are
00:26:43something got a hold of me
00:26:50trouble in my way
00:26:55I gotta cry sometimes
00:26:58hey so much joy
00:27:05I gotta cry sometimes
00:27:11I gotta cry sometimes
00:27:26I know my savior will fix it
00:27:33After a while
00:27:36Y'all give a little half praise
00:27:38Are you ready?
00:27:55Did y'all enjoy your tour?
00:27:56We did
00:27:57Thank you so much for coming
00:27:58Thank you
00:28:03As I said before, I grew up in a very small town
00:28:08At the time that I met my husband
00:28:11He was much older than me
00:28:14And was in the oil and gas business
00:28:17When we married
00:28:18We visited Natchez very, very often
00:28:20And was looking for a place
00:28:22And one of the ladies from the garden club
00:28:25A past president
00:28:26Invited me to join the pilgrimage garden club
00:28:31So we bought the condo here in Natchez
00:28:3517 years we've been married
00:28:37And, you know, we're having some really hard times
00:28:41But neither one of us have drawn a line in the sand
00:28:53We'll see what happens
00:29:08Franklin, Arnfield, and Ballard
00:29:10They could buy a slave in Virginia for $600
00:29:13And sell the sand slave in Mississippi for $2,000
00:29:17They could almost triple their money
00:29:19So the cheapest way and the most common way
00:29:21To get slaves in the deep south
00:29:23Was to make them walk
00:29:24One million and one half million people walk
00:29:28800 plus miles barefoot and in chains
00:29:30Into the cotton fields and the sugar cane plantations
00:29:34At the deep south
00:29:35And it's going to take nine weeks
00:29:37The second largest domestic slave market
00:29:40In the history of America
00:29:41Was right here in Natchez
00:29:44And it was called the Forks of the Road
00:29:49We're right in the middle of it now
00:29:55And this is the market itself
00:29:59Please guys, do not allow the size of this place
00:30:02To betray the magnitude of what happened here
00:30:04The total number is 750,000
00:30:08That's three quarters of a million human beings
00:30:11Men and women, boys and girls
00:30:13Who are bought and sold at this very site
00:30:15On their way to survive labor
00:30:17Until they die
00:30:20The slaves came here bound at five points
00:30:23Both ankles, both wrists, and around their necks
00:30:26And then a chain between us
00:30:28And one going back 50 people deep
00:30:31The neck collars and ankle braces
00:30:33Are riveted on by a blacksmith
00:30:36By the time the slaves get to Natchez
00:30:38This iron is seasoned with flesh and with blood
00:30:42And people ask, you know
00:30:43Why would you harm a product you're trying to sell
00:30:45Well, how do you control six to ten thousand people for 30 years
00:30:49You control them with violence and fear
00:30:53This is a park service site
00:30:55They already started buying properties around it
00:30:58To make this the premier slave market museum in the country
00:31:02They're trying to buy these businesses
00:31:04But, you know, the people are going to try to hold out for more money
00:31:10From this point here
00:31:11Every plot of land that you can see with your eyes
00:31:14All of these are slave trading companies
00:31:17Franklin, Arnfield, and Ballard's southern office
00:31:19Where their red muffler shop is across the street
00:31:29Hello, Natchez all?
00:31:31Okay, that'd be cool
00:31:33All right, Barbara, thank you, baby
00:31:35I'm Gene Williams
00:31:37I own Natchez Exhaust
00:31:38Across the street from the slave market
00:31:42The state park
00:31:43They made some offers on our property
00:31:45And it was a joke
00:31:50I have been working
00:31:52With the forks of the road
00:31:54For 18 years now
00:31:57Land acquisition is a slow and complicated process
00:32:00And so the challenge is always
00:32:03To find sellers who are willing
00:32:05And to have an appraised market value
00:32:09Which is what we can pay
00:32:10That meets their expectations
00:32:13Well, I mean, I've made a living here
00:32:15All my adult life
00:32:16You can't just up and move a business
00:32:19You know, you've got to rebuild your business again
00:32:22And at 64, I don't feel like rebuilding anything
00:32:26You know
00:32:28They're going here and trying to buy me out
00:32:30For this much money
00:32:32And then they'll spend this much money
00:32:35Redoing everything that's here
00:32:39And I told the guys
00:32:40I said, what I look like
00:32:41Some poor old dumb country guy
00:32:43With my bib overalls on
00:32:44And chew tobacco running down my lip
00:32:46Going, well, yeah, I'll take that far
00:32:47If you just give me that
00:32:49And I'm going, no, I don't want that
00:32:51It'll never happen
00:32:55The National Park Service is in the forever business
00:32:58And every parcel
00:32:59Has its own stories
00:33:01And its own complications
00:33:03Across the road
00:33:05Is where Franklin, Armfield, and Ballard
00:33:07Were located
00:33:10And Franklin and Armfield
00:33:11Were the largest slave traders
00:33:13In the United States
00:33:15They became millionaires
00:33:17Off of human trafficking
00:33:20I don't know what that force of the road
00:33:21Is supposed to prove
00:33:22I think it's just like everything else
00:33:24They say
00:33:24They're promoting memory of something
00:33:26That was bad
00:33:27It's over and done with
00:33:28And I hate it
00:33:29I wasn't here
00:33:31None of us was here
00:33:32You know
00:33:33Had I been here
00:33:34I wouldn't have done it
00:33:36Just have to keep reminding people
00:33:38Of what happened
00:33:39A hundred years ago
00:33:41And if it's a bad, bad thought
00:33:43Don't remind them of it
00:33:46If you're going to take down all the statues
00:33:48Take down all the statues
00:33:49If you're going to go build something there
00:33:51To promote what they're taking the statues down about
00:33:52Why would they do that?
00:33:54That's kind of what
00:33:55My thoughts about it
00:33:56I'm not trying to be a racist
00:33:58I'm not trying to be anything like that
00:33:59I'm just saying
00:34:01I thought about maybe
00:34:02Just opening up my own force of the road
00:34:04Over here
00:34:06It'd be different than that
00:34:12I hope I'm around
00:34:13When they finish the Forks of the Road project
00:34:16When it's developed
00:34:17Because man
00:34:19That's going to be
00:34:20That's going to be mind-boggling
00:34:24That land literally has our blood in it
00:34:27Literally
00:34:29Literally has our blood in it
00:34:32And if it were not for
00:34:34Sir Boxley
00:34:36That story may still be lost to time
00:34:41The enslaved ancestors here
00:34:43And I asked the question
00:34:46Who is going to tell their story?
00:34:50And I said I would
00:34:53And from that time on
00:34:55I'm waging a protracted struggle
00:34:58To bring the Forks of the Road
00:35:01From Forgotten
00:35:02To a National Park Service Park
00:35:06From here on out
00:35:07For as long as your generation
00:35:09Your generation's generation
00:35:10Exist
00:35:11They're going to have to tell our story here
00:35:15Boxley fought for that
00:35:17He fought hard for that
00:35:19And he has been working with politicians
00:35:23He has worked with non-profit groups
00:35:25Tirelessly for more than 30 years
00:35:28To call attention to this forgotten site
00:35:33However, Natchez City itself
00:35:36Was an enslavement selling market
00:35:39Up until the Franklin and Armfield people
00:35:41Brought in enslaved persons with cholera
00:35:44That led to banning
00:35:46The selling and enslaved African
00:35:49Within the city limits
00:35:52So there were enslaved persons
00:35:55Sold all over the whole city
00:35:58This is my spot, so to speak
00:36:01And it's been a long time
00:36:03That I've sat here
00:36:05Avenging the ancestors
00:36:09I'm a Christian woman
00:36:10And I see him as a biblical prophet
00:36:15Because that's what the prophets did
00:36:18They were all about pointing out
00:36:21To the status quo
00:36:22That they were not fulfilling
00:36:24Their mission of justice
00:36:33Slaves came here bound at five points
00:36:35Both wrists, both ankles
00:36:37And around their neck
00:36:38Talking about the custom preacher?
00:36:42No, I haven't done
00:36:43I know him
00:36:44He's a good guy
00:36:45He seems to be doing well with this
00:36:49They would have come in columns of two
00:36:50You can hear him hollering over here
00:36:52A lot of folks come there
00:36:53To stand and listen to no rev
00:36:55A tough story
00:37:00So there's a common misconception
00:37:03That everybody white in the south
00:37:05Had a slave
00:37:05Only five percent of southerners
00:37:08Ever owned slaves
00:37:09Now everybody white in America
00:37:11Benefited from the institution
00:37:13Of slavery then and today
00:37:15America's status
00:37:16Is the richest nation on earth
00:37:18The first big pot of money
00:37:20That existed on this continent
00:37:23Or in America
00:37:24Was cotton
00:37:25And cotton
00:37:26And cotton can't exist without
00:37:29Hmm?
00:37:30Say it
00:37:32Slaves
00:37:32So it is right
00:37:33Fair, true, just
00:37:35Equitable
00:37:35To say
00:37:36That America's wealth
00:37:37Was built upon the backs
00:37:39Of the enslaved
00:37:49And my grandmother's
00:37:50And my grandma's
00:37:50She paid cotton
00:37:51Not like as a slave
00:37:52But it was like her job
00:37:54When she was younger
00:37:55And it was like the old days
00:37:56So she would like
00:37:57Pay cotton
00:37:59On the cotton
00:38:00Like for money
00:38:02And my great-grandma
00:38:03She had like a brother
00:38:04And her brother
00:38:05And her brother got killed
00:38:06Because it was like
00:38:08You know
00:38:08It was like a really racist
00:38:09Back then
00:38:10And they thought
00:38:10He was talking to
00:38:11Like this white lady
00:38:12And they hung down
00:38:13And they don't know
00:38:14Where his body is
00:38:15At all
00:38:17I know
00:38:17This is crazy
00:38:19My grandma was fine
00:38:21My grandma
00:38:21Well, I think my grandma was fine
00:38:22Y'all need to just
00:38:23Y'all should start working
00:38:24Across the road
00:38:26And walk and learn
00:38:26I'm like
00:38:27I'm like
00:38:27A hundred years ago
00:38:28Oh
00:38:47I always loved
00:38:49The antebellum homes
00:38:50Because as a matter of fact
00:38:52My mother spent some time
00:38:54Working in one of the
00:38:55Antebellum homes
00:38:56She worked there
00:38:58For more than 30 years
00:39:00And I would go
00:39:01To work with her
00:39:02And I thought
00:39:04Wow, you know
00:39:05I'd like to own
00:39:06One of these
00:39:07One day
00:39:08And then
00:39:09Several years ago
00:39:10We were
00:39:11Driving around
00:39:13And I saw
00:39:14The top of the columns
00:39:16Here
00:39:16You couldn't see anything else
00:39:18Because it was
00:39:18Just covered in vines
00:39:20And we crept in
00:39:22And I thought
00:39:22Oh my god
00:39:23And I called my husband
00:39:25Right away
00:39:25I said
00:39:26Oh Gregory
00:39:27You should see this place
00:39:28We could bless a bride
00:39:30Plantation style weddings
00:39:32Really big
00:39:33And he says
00:39:34We aren't blessing anybody
00:39:35Get in the car
00:39:36And come home
00:39:39You know
00:39:40When we bought the place
00:39:41I was so proud
00:39:42And then I start to ask questions
00:39:46About the property
00:39:47We find then
00:39:49That it is a slave dwelling
00:39:52And then we find an inventory
00:39:54Of 124 enslaved African American men
00:39:57Women and children
00:39:59I didn't know what to do with that
00:40:01When I found that it was a slave dwelling
00:40:03I didn't know how to handle that
00:40:06Because I'd gotten a lot of pushback
00:40:07From my people
00:40:10My grandfather
00:40:11He was born in slavery
00:40:14He didn't talk about it
00:40:16And I'd ask him even
00:40:18Papa what was your dad's name
00:40:20Totally embarrassed
00:40:22The gentleman was
00:40:22And he'd say
00:40:23Oh Master Jones gal
00:40:25Now get away from here
00:40:29Here I was
00:40:30Living in history
00:40:32And so my emotions
00:40:35Are all over the place
00:40:37I was in tears
00:40:39I was sitting there crying
00:40:41I go to Walmart
00:40:42And there's this colorful gentleman
00:40:45At Walmart
00:40:45And he says
00:40:46I heard what you were doing
00:40:48It was Sir Boxley
00:40:51Boxley says to me
00:40:53These buildings
00:40:53Are worthy of preservation
00:40:58Still people don't understand it
00:41:00Until they come
00:41:27You know
00:41:28And some people
00:41:28Would be offended with this
00:41:29If this just smells like home to me
00:41:31I love it
00:41:32I do
00:41:33Me too
00:41:34Oh
00:41:36Oh
00:41:37Oh
00:41:37Oh
00:41:42Welcome
00:41:42To the Tiger Den
00:41:45It's homecoming
00:41:48We're in the same place
00:41:50Thank you
00:41:57Five
00:41:58Four
00:41:59Three
00:42:00Two
00:42:00One
00:42:01Hey
00:42:15It's a mad hell
00:42:16Y'all means all
00:42:18It's a fundraiser for mental health
00:42:21The gay society
00:42:22The gay society
00:42:23Puts it off
00:42:24If the gay population
00:42:26That's just how we fold
00:42:28Half the house
00:42:29We call them a gay guy
00:42:32We're the only ones
00:42:33Got the money in the chains
00:42:37They do the show
00:42:38At the auditorium
00:42:39We donate the beat party
00:42:41On Farley
00:42:42I found this
00:42:45So I've got a bedrock full of drag queens
00:42:48I want a version of you to take me
00:42:50If you have handles
00:42:52I put you in the overhead bin
00:42:54Which is so cute
00:43:03I will tell you what pauses
00:43:06Calibites have killed themselves
00:43:08And you ought to humble yourself
00:43:10Instead of being proud of your perversion
00:43:15Welcome ladies and gentlemen
00:43:17How are y'all doing this evening
00:43:21I thank y'all so much for supporting
00:43:23The LGBTQ plus community
00:43:25We're here to have a good time
00:43:27We're here to raise a lot of money
00:43:28For y'all means all
00:43:29Natchez
00:43:30Ladies and gentlemen
00:43:30Choctaw Hall
00:43:31Is one of our sponsors this evening
00:43:33First of all
00:43:34You two kids
00:43:35If you have not been
00:43:36To see this
00:43:38Oh my god
00:43:38Stand up
00:43:39I don't know how long
00:43:41It takes you to run up that platform
00:43:44To get a camp
00:43:44That is a mountain worth climbing right there
00:43:47I swear
00:43:59I'm not going to tell you
00:44:01How things are God
00:44:02If you made me a man
00:44:04Then I'm a man
00:44:05And if you made me a woman
00:44:06I'm a woman
00:44:15I love to receive
00:44:17I love the beautiful poems
00:44:19The beautiful dress
00:44:20And I love pilgrimage
00:44:25I do miss it
00:44:26But I have gone through a recent divorce
00:44:31We had a prenup
00:44:33I'm at a financial point
00:44:35Where I need to make a living
00:44:37Wouldn't all fit on the truck
00:44:39Everything that would go on the truck
00:44:43Is there
00:44:43But I have one more trip
00:44:47I'm downsizing my life
00:44:50You know
00:44:51I don't have to have a lake house
00:44:52And a boat
00:44:53And what I do have to have
00:44:56Is peace
00:45:12I'm going to sort through
00:45:14And keep the things
00:45:15That really are special to me
00:45:17And then the things that are not
00:45:20I'm just going to sell them
00:45:22I love it, Chris
00:45:23It's a consignment store
00:45:26I'll just turn it into cash
00:45:30Some days I do really well
00:45:32Some days not
00:45:34But I'm going to be alright
00:45:36Yep
00:45:45By the time the war starts
00:45:47Half of Natchez
00:45:47Already Union
00:45:48A little blue speck
00:45:50In a sea of red today
00:45:51By 1862
00:45:52The secessionists here
00:45:53Have to make a choice
00:45:54My southern pride
00:45:55Or my million dollar bank account
00:45:57I'm going to give you five seconds
00:45:58To figure that one out
00:45:59Ray Charles can see
00:46:00Who's going to win the war
00:46:01Stevie Wonder wouldn't wonder
00:46:03Who's going to win the war
00:46:04One more time in war
00:46:06Poor people die
00:46:07So rich people can stay rich
00:46:101865
00:46:10The Civil War ends
00:46:11That ushers us into a period
00:46:13Called Reconstruction
00:46:14During Reconstruction
00:46:15Natchez
00:46:16I told you
00:46:16It was peculiar
00:46:19Natchez
00:46:19Get a black mayor
00:46:20A black sheriff
00:46:21A black tax assessor
00:46:22A black tenancy clerk
00:46:23A hire on rebels
00:46:24First black man
00:46:25In the U.S. Senate
00:46:25Natchez
00:46:26John R. Lynch
00:46:27First black man
00:46:28In the U.S. House
00:46:28Representatives
00:46:29Natchez
00:46:29J.B. Banks
00:46:30First black physician
00:46:32Natchez
00:46:33Schools
00:46:33Haberdasheries
00:46:34Grocery stores
00:46:34Apothecaries
00:46:35Blacks in shops
00:46:36Lawyers
00:46:36Banks
00:46:37And doctors
00:46:37Pump your brakes
00:46:39Rev
00:46:39Slow down
00:46:42How you move from being a slave
00:46:44To having economic and political power
00:46:46In the richest city in the world
00:46:47Now that does not happen anywhere else in the South
00:46:50Like it does in Natchez
00:46:51Upper mobility for newly freed slaves
00:46:53Throughout the South is evident
00:46:54But a mayor
00:46:55A congressman
00:46:56A sheriff
00:46:57Hell no
00:46:57Hell no
00:46:58So I say
00:46:59I'm going to require a bit of brutal honesty from you
00:47:02For just a moment
00:47:03Uh, who do you think wants what's happening in Natchez
00:47:07To spread throughout the rest of the country?
00:47:10Nobody
00:47:11Nobody
00:47:11Nobody
00:47:12If it happened today
00:47:13Who do you think would want it to spread?
00:47:16And I fear the answer would be the same
00:47:18And so
00:47:19In the aristocracy
00:47:20They have to stop it
00:47:32You come here and you get away from
00:47:34Um, the current year
00:47:36Current events
00:47:37You go, you go back
00:47:38I feel like I have stepped out of
00:47:41The current mess and muddle
00:47:42And I have gone back
00:47:44In this lovely way
00:47:45To a lovely world
00:47:47To, and I can
00:47:48Pick and choose what I want to think about
00:47:50That's right
00:47:51And nowhere
00:47:52Nowhere in America is everything beautiful
00:47:55But magic
00:47:56I mean, you think about the lives we've learned about here
00:47:59Although they lived in amazing beauty
00:48:02Their lives were turned upside down
00:48:04By current events
00:48:05We have the luxury of removing ourselves
00:48:07From our
00:48:09Unsightly current events
00:48:10And going back and enjoying just the beauty
00:48:13Of their time
00:48:14Dude
00:48:23The history that they learned
00:48:25And the history that they believe
00:48:27Is now being yanked out from under them
00:48:32That's how people experience
00:48:33Experience it
00:48:35This change
00:48:36That they feel is being forced on them
00:48:41And it's hard work
00:48:42To come to a point
00:48:44Where you're able to say
00:48:45The history I learned
00:48:46Was a mythological construct
00:48:49That was used to sell tickets
00:49:02Welcome to the family dining room here
00:49:05At Magnolia Hall
00:49:06There would have been 12 bells in the house
00:49:08One for each room of the house
00:49:10A bell's for what?
00:49:11Oh, I'm sorry
00:49:11To call servants
00:49:12Call the servants
00:49:13Yes, sorry about that
00:49:14Yes, indeed
00:49:20I think that would sound better
00:49:22Than the Downton Abbey chime that they had
00:49:25That's the tea closet
00:49:26At the time it would have been locked
00:49:28Because y'all
00:49:29Tea and sugar were so expensive
00:49:32During that time
00:49:33That you couldn't afford
00:49:35For even a little bit of it
00:49:36To get pilfered by the servants
00:49:38So the lady of the house
00:49:39Would have worn that key
00:49:40Around her neck
00:49:41As I do today
00:49:43Do you know what a punkah is?
00:49:45Some of the homes here
00:49:46Have the punkah
00:49:47To shoo away the flies
00:49:49These originated in India
00:49:51So a servant would have
00:49:52Sit on one side of the room
00:49:53And pulled on the rope
00:49:54The punkah goes back and forth
00:49:56It would, number one
00:49:58Cool the gas
00:49:58But it was also
00:50:00To keep the flies
00:50:01And keep the air fanned
00:50:04Ladies and gentlemen
00:50:05This punkah fan
00:50:06Mary McMurrin wrote this
00:50:08And she says
00:50:09You know when the slave
00:50:10Is doing it right
00:50:11When they don't blow
00:50:12The candles out
00:50:14That's the trick
00:50:15This was a job
00:50:16And his job title
00:50:17Was called
00:50:17The punkah wallah
00:50:20Punkah's fan
00:50:21Wallah's work
00:50:22Operate
00:50:23Punkah wallah
00:50:24That was the name of the job
00:50:25It was a child
00:50:27How do we know it?
00:50:28She wrote it
00:50:30Think about this
00:50:31Why a child?
00:50:33Why a child?
00:50:34First of all
00:50:35It's a slave
00:50:35Alright
00:50:36It's a child
00:50:38Small
00:50:39Look at that corner
00:50:39Inconspicuous
00:50:40Out the way
00:50:42Illiterate
00:50:42Can't read or write
00:50:44Not a person
00:50:46Harmless
00:50:48Newsflash
00:50:49Ladies and gentlemen
00:50:50I ain't never met
00:50:50A harmless child in my life
00:50:52I don't care if he is a slave
00:50:54He's a child
00:50:55Children are intuitively inquisitive
00:50:59We're loose at dinner
00:51:00Things are coming out
00:51:02This child can't read or write
00:51:03But words have meanings
00:51:04That cause an action
00:51:05I repeat
00:51:06Words have meanings
00:51:07That cause an action
00:51:08That's how children learn
00:51:09They're products of not only
00:51:10Their environment
00:51:10But the culture
00:51:11And their language
00:51:11Of their environment
00:51:12That's how they learn
00:51:13This kid is no different
00:51:15He's a slave
00:51:16But he's no different
00:51:18What do you think
00:51:18Is going to happen
00:51:19When that kid goes back
00:51:20To the quarters at night?
00:51:22Man this kid
00:51:23Man y'all not going to believe
00:51:24What happened last night
00:51:26Information is power
00:51:28Information is power
00:51:29Information is power
00:51:30Information is power
00:51:32Information is power
00:51:34Especially to a race of people
00:51:36That can't read or write
00:51:37It's against the law
00:51:37To teach them
00:51:39It's power
00:51:41How do I know this?
00:51:42Why is this park ranger
00:51:43Saying all this?
00:51:44Simple
00:51:45Read John Roy Lynch
00:51:47What was John Roy Lynch
00:51:49Job as a child?
00:51:50As a slave?
00:51:51What was John Roy Lynch's job?
00:51:53He was at a house
00:51:54Called Dunleap
00:51:54On Homer Chitter
00:51:56What did John Roy Lynch do?
00:51:58He was a punkawala
00:51:59He operated the fan
00:52:01What did John Lynch do?
00:52:03Freed himself from slavery
00:52:04Joined the Union Army
00:52:05What did John Lynch do?
00:52:07Became a postmaster general
00:52:08During the war in Natchez
00:52:09What did John Lynch do?
00:52:11He became a United States
00:52:12Congressman
00:52:13Legislated out of Reconstruction
00:52:14What did John Lynch do?
00:52:16He later left Reconstruction
00:52:18Left politics
00:52:19Became an attorney
00:52:19Moved to Chicago
00:52:20And practiced law
00:52:21For 38 years in Chicago
00:52:22What was his job as a child?
00:52:24A punkawala
00:52:28A slave punkawala
00:52:30Why?
00:52:44One of our goals
00:52:48Is to try to raise the bar
00:52:50To talk about slavery
00:52:52As a part of every tour
00:52:54And I think that
00:52:55Some of the other museum houses
00:52:57In town
00:52:57Move in that direction
00:53:01Well, you know
00:53:02With mixed results
00:53:05This painting of a black man
00:53:07There's only three
00:53:08In the state of Mississippi
00:53:09And by the way
00:53:11That white is
00:53:12I think a reflection
00:53:14On his lip
00:53:15Not necessarily his teeth
00:53:19They should be out in a minute
00:53:24I was very resistant
00:53:26To talking about enslavement
00:53:28Because I had so few facts
00:53:29But we've gotten
00:53:32Braver over the years
00:53:33All of us who are from the south
00:53:36And who come from
00:53:37Families who were
00:53:38Plantation owners
00:53:39In the 19th century
00:53:41Have to deal with the issue
00:53:43Of slavery
00:53:44Chattel slavery
00:53:46It's obviously
00:53:47Not a nice system
00:53:51Lansdown
00:53:52Was my great
00:53:53Great grandparents' house
00:53:54He had
00:53:55A lot of plantations
00:53:56Owned a huge
00:53:58Horrible number of slaves
00:54:00And
00:54:00And
00:54:01Yeah
00:54:01That's my history
00:54:02That's part of my history
00:54:03And I have to tell it
00:54:04As much as I hate it
00:54:07And the other part
00:54:08Part of our story
00:54:09Is about the African Americans
00:54:11Who lived here
00:54:12At Greenleaf's
00:54:14With the family
00:54:15Unfortunately
00:54:16One of them we know
00:54:17Was not happy
00:54:18Because this is Matilda
00:54:20Who ran away in 1850
00:54:22And this is an advertisement
00:54:23For her return
00:54:26All right
00:54:27This is what I ring
00:54:28When I want someone
00:54:29To bring me a Diet Coke
00:54:34Welcome to the summer kitchen
00:54:36This is an original
00:54:38Dependency
00:54:39As we say in Natchez
00:54:41Or outbuilding
00:54:42Of Gloucester
00:54:44In National Geographic
00:54:461949
00:54:47Check out this
00:54:49Gorgeous picture
00:54:50There is
00:54:51An actress
00:54:54Portraying
00:54:55The shucking
00:54:56Of all these vegetables
00:54:57Right by the fire
00:54:58During pilgrimage
00:55:00One time
00:55:00Isn't that lovely?
00:55:05Here I am
00:55:06With this
00:55:07Slave dwelling
00:55:08So I said
00:55:08Oh you know
00:55:09I'm going to invite
00:55:10The garden club ladies
00:55:11Out here
00:55:12To see this
00:55:12House
00:55:13And I did
00:55:15Now I love
00:55:16How Debbie
00:55:17Has gone through
00:55:18Because the unique
00:55:19History of this
00:55:20Property here
00:55:21I would say
00:55:23The majority of us
00:55:23That have
00:55:24These other homes
00:55:25Don't really have
00:55:27That type of opportunity
00:55:29To focus on
00:55:30What she can
00:55:31Focus on
00:55:31But we have
00:55:33The responsibility
00:55:33Of doing
00:55:34What we've got
00:55:34At our places
00:55:35As well
00:55:37Anyway
00:55:37You know
00:55:37The thing I like
00:55:38About Debbie
00:55:40Is
00:55:40The one thing
00:55:41We have in common
00:55:43Is that we both
00:55:44Seem to just
00:55:45Have our own ideas
00:55:48And our own research
00:55:49And then we just
00:55:50Do whatever we want
00:55:53I find that
00:55:54Very fun about you
00:55:56Thank you
00:55:58Thank you
00:55:59I am fun fun fun
00:56:01I'm fun Debbie
00:56:02That's just who I am
00:56:04She went over
00:56:05To our house
00:56:06To visit it
00:56:07But I didn't even
00:56:07Get to meet her then
00:56:08When you're telling
00:56:09A story about
00:56:10Say a kitchen
00:56:12A black woman's kitchen
00:56:14For me
00:56:15You bring
00:56:16A black person
00:56:17In to talk about
00:56:19Kitchen
00:56:19And you say to me
00:56:21Well you come
00:56:21And you do it
00:56:24I don't have time
00:56:25To tell the story
00:56:27For your kitchen
00:56:28But I'm almost certain
00:56:30Your guest
00:56:32Would most probably
00:56:34Be more receptive
00:56:40Of a black person
00:56:42Woman
00:56:43In that kitchen
00:56:45Telling your story
00:56:46That's all
00:56:48We probably have
00:56:50Two different
00:56:51Kinds of people
00:56:52Coming
00:56:53Some who just want
00:56:54To look at
00:56:54Pretty things
00:56:55And some who want
00:56:56To
00:56:56I don't know
00:56:58I bet
00:56:58They're there now
00:56:59I know who comes
00:57:00To my house
00:57:01Yeah well
00:57:02I know who comes
00:57:04Here and I know
00:57:05You know what I'm saying
00:57:06Not being argumentative
00:57:07I don't want to do that
00:57:08Oh no
00:57:09Okay
00:57:09No
00:57:10What I
00:57:11What I want to say
00:57:12Is that
00:57:13A lot of people
00:57:13Come to Natchez
00:57:14And they
00:57:14And they see
00:57:16The pictures
00:57:17They're not even
00:57:18Oftentimes
00:57:19Reading anything
00:57:20About it
00:57:21They see that
00:57:21That mansion
00:57:22So they come
00:57:23Here
00:57:24To find
00:57:26Oh it's a slave quarter
00:57:28I have people
00:57:29Who stay with me
00:57:30Who have no idea
00:57:32Yeah because it's
00:57:33Yes because it's
00:57:34Concealed by design
00:57:35What's frustrating to me
00:57:37Is reading the stories
00:57:40Of the enslaved people
00:57:41They're at least
00:57:42Getting to learn
00:57:42Some names
00:57:43But we don't have
00:57:44It frustrates me
00:57:45To know we don't
00:57:46Know what they look like
00:57:47We don't have
00:57:48A portrait of any of them
00:57:49Or
00:57:49And I
00:57:50It's the way it was
00:57:52But I'm like
00:57:52What do you do
00:57:54Do you have a silhouette
00:57:55Created
00:57:55Is there something
00:57:56To
00:57:57To symbolize
00:57:58Someone
00:57:58Without it
00:57:59I'll never have
00:58:00Something real
00:58:00Or do you just
00:58:01Honor the name
00:58:02Or what little bit
00:58:03You know
00:58:04You certainly
00:58:05Yeah
00:58:06That's what your own
00:58:06Flexion name
00:58:07Is exactly what you do
00:58:08I don't know
00:58:09How y'all feel about it
00:58:10But I like
00:58:10How Helen Smith
00:58:11I thought she said it well
00:58:12She said there's clearly
00:58:13Examples of there being
00:58:15Great affection
00:58:16You know
00:58:17Between people in the home
00:58:18But she says
00:58:18Affection will never be
00:58:19A substitute for freedom
00:58:20Right
00:58:21And I thought that was
00:58:22A nice way to say it
00:58:23But you at least
00:58:24Have to hope
00:58:24There's affection
00:58:25It makes you feel
00:58:26A little
00:58:26Of course
00:58:27They weren't
00:58:28Gloucester was built
00:58:29In 1803
00:58:31And the Emancipation
00:58:32Proclamation was in 1863
00:58:34So it did have slavery
00:58:35For 60 years
00:58:37But then
00:58:38From then on
00:58:39From 1863
00:58:40To 1920
00:58:42When they built
00:58:43An indoor kitchen
00:58:45Finally
00:58:45They had
00:58:46You know
00:58:47Paid servants
00:58:48Out there
00:58:48Working in that
00:58:51Very primitive kitchen
00:58:52Some stayed on
00:58:54And just
00:58:55You know
00:58:56Got paid
00:58:56I'm sure
00:58:57Early not much
00:58:59But got paid
00:59:00And stayed on
00:59:00With the family
00:59:01Long after the war
00:59:02We pay our housekeeper
00:59:04She doesn't come
00:59:04For free
00:59:07Okay
00:59:09It was like
00:59:10A nightmare today
00:59:11By the time
00:59:11You got here
00:59:12I wanted to
00:59:12Just burst into tears
00:59:14I did
00:59:16And I mean
00:59:17Because this shit
00:59:18Is hard
00:59:19And you have to
00:59:19Sit in here
00:59:20And listen
00:59:20At all that
00:59:21Oh
00:59:21Care and stuff
00:59:23So she bought
00:59:24A house
00:59:24And she doesn't
00:59:25Know
00:59:26That's it
00:59:26She knows
00:59:27The history
00:59:28Of her house
00:59:28But she knows
00:59:29And that is so
00:59:30It
00:59:30Her
00:59:31The lingo
00:59:31It's not proper
00:59:33The things
00:59:33She needs to
00:59:34She needs some
00:59:35She needs to go
00:59:36Get some help
00:59:37With that
00:59:38Because it's offensive
00:59:39It truly is
00:59:41And I was trying
00:59:42Not to
00:59:43Be so offended
00:59:45In my home
00:59:46As well as
00:59:47Not to offend her
00:59:48That woman
00:59:49Made me so
00:59:51I don't usually
00:59:52Get that rattle
00:59:53But that is so
00:59:55That's it
00:59:56Bless her heart
00:59:57And I'm going
00:59:58To send her
00:59:59Some candy
01:00:00Some cookies
01:00:00Don't send her
01:00:01No candy
01:00:02And cookies
01:00:02Send her a book
01:00:03So she need
01:00:04To be educated
01:00:05Oh
01:00:19Sure's in this way
01:00:26Perfect
01:00:31I can't
01:00:34I can't
01:00:35I can't
01:00:36I can't
01:00:36I can't
01:00:39I can't
01:00:41I can't
01:00:43I can't
01:00:43I can't
01:00:43I can't
01:00:43I can't
01:00:44I can't
01:00:46I can't
01:00:47I can't
01:01:19All right, take your time as you exit.
01:01:25The old aristocracy, they went from have to have not.
01:01:3075 years of absolute wealth and power ended in four years of war.
01:01:34At Melrose, they're planting tomatoes after the war to pay taxes.
01:01:37What do you think the first thing was on the aristocracy's mind?
01:01:40How do I get it back?
01:01:43By 1890, all 13 ex-federate states passed the Mississippi Plan,
01:01:47and it becomes a lot of land in the South.
01:01:49These new constitutions in the South will forbid black representation
01:01:53on a state, federal, and local level.
01:01:54Just like that, all those elected officials sit down.
01:01:57It's going to create voter suppression laws like literacy tests and poll taxes.
01:02:00There's no more black voting.
01:02:01White-only and cuddled-only bathrooms.
01:02:03Limited access to public facilities.
01:02:04A black man can't wear a white shirt on Sunday morning.
01:02:07If you were walking down the sidewalk and I approached you,
01:02:09I had to step into the street by my head and call you miss.
01:02:12If I looked in your eyes, constitutional law called that simple assault.
01:02:15You told I went to jail? Hello, Karen.
01:02:19She born right here in Natchez.
01:02:21The most insidious thing it did was to rewrite criminal justice codes
01:02:25called black codes for black people.
01:02:26This will elevate misdemeanors to felonies and create inmate lease programs
01:02:31so that state prisons, county jails, and local jails can rent inmates to farmers.
01:02:35That set of laws had a name, and it was not the name of a human.
01:02:39It was the name of a menstrual act, where an actor put on blackface
01:02:42and pasted feathers on his arms, danced around as a buffoon,
01:02:46and it was called Jim Crow.
01:02:48Jim Crow.
01:02:49Jim Crow.
01:02:49Jim Crow.
01:02:50So Jim Crow was not some spidey minister,
01:02:53support-wardening social norman custom.
01:02:55Jim Crow was constitutional law in the whole Deep South.
01:02:58From 1890 to 1965.
01:03:0265.
01:03:04Yeah, I was born in 1964.
01:03:07It was not until LBJ signed the Voter Rights Act in 64
01:03:11and Civil Rights Act in 65 that Jim Crow got wiped out the books.
01:03:14It was too late.
01:03:15It was a scar.
01:03:16It was a wound on the soul of America.
01:03:19Seventy-five years of government-sanctioned,
01:03:21institutionalized systemic racism and white supremacy
01:03:24had done its dastardly deed.
01:03:27America is still segregated.
01:03:29There are black schools, white schools, black churches,
01:03:32white churches, black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods
01:03:34to this very day in Natchez.
01:03:39Well, it's got to be on purpose.
01:03:41Well, but you know what I mean, like...
01:03:43I mean, are there, you know, new developments that actual,
01:03:47that white and black people are living...
01:03:51I mean, there are exceptions.
01:03:52No, there's no signs.
01:03:53No, there's no signs.
01:03:55Um, but Jim Crow was ingrained into America's psyche,
01:04:00culture, heart, mind, and it's still there.
01:04:18Thank you all.
01:04:19You gotta be careful now.
01:04:20I'm gonna stand.
01:04:22I'm about to sit down for a follow-up.
01:04:30The Parkinson's, it controls you, you don't control it.
01:04:39I don't shake that much.
01:04:42Every once in a while I do.
01:04:47See if I stood up right now too quickly,
01:04:49I'd keep walking, my body would stop mentally.
01:04:53But that's when I fall so much.
01:04:56So I've got where I just creep around.
01:04:59I've been reluctant to use the cane.
01:05:01That made me look older than I am.
01:05:06My voice is just, it's just terrible.
01:05:10It's becoming an issue.
01:05:13The doctors say it's just over usage.
01:05:17That's what it is.
01:05:18But I don't, I don't know if I go along with that or not.
01:05:22There's no pain.
01:05:23Just, just no voice.
01:05:26It's kind of strange and mysterious.
01:05:32If it gets any worse, I'll just quit talking.
01:05:36I'll just stop.
01:05:44Y'all got any questions, comments, anything?
01:05:47You ain't gonna get a whole lot of opportunities
01:05:49to talk to an articulate black man
01:05:52about this kind of stuff, so go ahead.
01:05:55How do you turn that around?
01:05:57Yeah.
01:05:57Oh, baby, if I knew, I'd be rich.
01:06:00Well, I know that.
01:06:01But I mean, it starts with sitting down and talking,
01:06:04just like you said.
01:06:04It does.
01:06:05And I...
01:06:06But then you have to focus more on,
01:06:09do you feel like education?
01:06:10I always felt like education was...
01:06:12Was the key.
01:06:13Was the key.
01:06:14Yeah, I think so.
01:06:15The whole family idea.
01:06:17Women having numerous children.
01:06:19And with no father.
01:06:20Yeah.
01:06:21You know, I mean that...
01:06:22Well, they got fathers.
01:06:23Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:24They all got, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:25Nope, they're not...
01:06:27In the home.
01:06:27They're absolutely...
01:06:28Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
01:06:30And that's designed.
01:06:32You see, if you wanna kill a snake,
01:06:33do you cut the tail off of the head?
01:06:35Right, sure.
01:06:35You cut the head off.
01:06:36And so the cradle to the prison pipeline,
01:06:39the injection of drugs and poverty,
01:06:43and the gentrification in communities,
01:06:47and the redlining, all that stuff works just fine.
01:06:51I get thousands of people, I've done these tours
01:06:53in the last eight years or so,
01:06:55and I get this comment a bit repetitively
01:06:58where folks say, well, what black people need to do
01:07:02is this or this or this to solve this problem.
01:07:05But y'all understand that black people
01:07:06didn't create the problem.
01:07:08White people created the problem.
01:07:10And so if it's gonna be solved,
01:07:11white folks gonna have to solve it.
01:07:13Plus, let me finish.
01:07:14Right.
01:07:15Let me finish.
01:07:17Black people don't have enough money or power
01:07:19to solve the problem.
01:07:20And so the inequities that exist in our culture
01:07:25will require something that I think is gonna be difficult,
01:07:29and that's why folks gonna have to give up something.
01:07:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:33Opportunity, wealth, all those things.
01:07:36And who wants to give up anything
01:07:38that they feel like they work for?
01:07:41You know what I'm saying?
01:07:41And so how you fix them, man, that's real tough.
01:07:49I welcome those conversations,
01:07:52and sometimes after the tours I'm a little sad
01:07:55because I feel like we've made a connection
01:07:58and now it has to end.
01:08:01You gotta analyze as you're talking to people,
01:08:04and it's almost an art what they're able to bear.
01:08:09You know, you get more from non-verbal cues
01:08:11than you do verbal cues.
01:08:12So, you know, I'm really in tune to them
01:08:15while I'm talking.
01:08:16That's how I know when to shut up.
01:08:19You ever pick cotton rift?
01:08:21No, sir.
01:08:21I have.
01:08:22My grandmother did.
01:08:23Okay.
01:08:25I took you to the highest point on the bluff.
01:08:29And this is the lowest point.
01:08:31Oh.
01:08:32Did you ever do Choctaw High?
01:08:34Yeah, we did it yesterday.
01:08:36Have you taken the tour?
01:08:38Oh, man, I've been in that house many, many times.
01:08:40Many times.
01:08:42I don't think David does the same thing with me there
01:08:45as he does without me.
01:08:47Because I've had people come back and say,
01:08:50you know, he made some blatantly racist comments.
01:08:55I always picture him as just trying to portray what a southern aristocratic gentleman,
01:09:06how they would talk as opposed to being him.
01:09:10I mean, he gay in America still.
01:09:12Y'all will get to know him a little bit more,
01:09:13and maybe you can see if there's a real him or if that is the real him.
01:09:18Jack Petit loved monkeys.
01:09:21He owned three.
01:09:23He made scent bottles with rose oil in the shape of monkeys.
01:09:28Look at her.
01:09:29She's dressed in royal clothes.
01:09:30Her top comes off.
01:09:31Poor rose oil.
01:09:32Look, she's got a flask in her hand.
01:09:35She's smashed.
01:09:36She can tell by looking.
01:09:37And look how beautifully signed she is.
01:09:39Look at her face.
01:09:41Isn't she hysterical?
01:09:42I mean, this girl is blitz.
01:09:45And what's so interesting, it's cracked and crazed.
01:09:48You still smell rose oil.
01:09:51Isn't that great?
01:09:53I feel like I'm doing communion.
01:09:56When I made a good priest, I love him.
01:10:00Have you been in Choctaw too?
01:10:02Yes.
01:10:02Did you see David?
01:10:03Oh, yes.
01:10:04Very entertaining.
01:10:05Biggest characters you'll ever meet.
01:10:07He's a nice guy.
01:10:08Yeah, he is.
01:10:09And believe it or not, he took a bunch of stuff out.
01:10:11Yeah.
01:10:11He did, especially at Christmas.
01:10:13Well, he said the hoop skirt mafia made him take a lot of things.
01:10:15Right.
01:10:17They got on to him all the time about inappropriate words that he might use.
01:10:22Oh.
01:10:22And he didn't like that at all.
01:10:24So he was reprimanded numerous times over his tours.
01:10:28But everybody loves his tours.
01:10:30He just says it like it is.
01:10:31He's entertaining.
01:10:32Bye-bye.
01:10:33Y'all come back now, you hear?
01:10:44In recognition and appreciation for their many contributions to our city.
01:10:51Listen, don't start doing that.
01:10:53You don't make me.
01:10:54We honor Deborah Cozy with his key to the city.
01:11:04Wow, I'm so overwhelmed.
01:11:06Natchez is a place of healing of the ugly past.
01:11:09And yes, I am the first African-American woman to be a member of the Pilgrimage Garden Club.
01:11:14And then when they're early, my friend here, he'll tell you,
01:11:18I do this for them.
01:11:20And then I break them down if they want to be ugly.
01:11:25Oh, freedom.
01:11:30Oh, freedom.
01:11:32Oh, freedom.
01:11:34Oh, freedom.
01:11:36Over me and before I'd be a slave.
01:11:40Said I'd be buried in my grave.
01:11:47And go home, home to my Lord, and I'd be free.
01:12:01I have really bad days sometimes.
01:12:05When I think I'm going to just be this little wimpy girl, woman or whatever,
01:12:09it's like I'm tired and I can't do this anymore and I can't go.
01:12:12I think of them, the enslaved people here.
01:12:18Flora Upshaw, Hester Williams, George and Charity Martin.
01:12:28I give honor to them.
01:12:32I say their names.
01:12:34I ask for their guidance.
01:12:44You know?
01:12:49These were handmade.
01:12:52They made these bricks, you know?
01:13:12One day I was out here as I am every morning and a van drove up.
01:13:17I introduced myself and as it turns out, I'm Tracy, he's Tracy.
01:13:23So we chatted for a little while and, you know, I had wanted to do his tours since then.
01:13:28I love learning about all of the beautiful architecture that's here and the culture of our city.
01:13:35Well, y'all know my name is Tracy Collins and I'm a local pastor here.
01:13:42And I'm a bit of a historian.
01:13:49The fastest growing cash crop in the state is the southern pine.
01:13:52My very first job was in the public.
01:13:55Shut up.
01:13:56You ain't been in no woods, girl.
01:13:58You were a Beverly Hill building.
01:13:59My dad loaded the truck and then my mom drove the truck to the mill the next morning and unloaded
01:14:06it.
01:14:07Look, I hauled wood for one day.
01:14:10The next day I went and got in college.
01:14:12Right.
01:14:13By the time slavery moves from the east to the south, the chains aren't on their arms anymore.
01:14:18The chains are on their minds.
01:14:24You been in Melrose?
01:14:26I have not.
01:14:32It's so sad that people can be so, you know, so cruel.
01:14:37He said some things that made me think about it a little differently than what I had before.
01:14:51And this is my mother who died last year.
01:14:54This is what my mother wanted to go clean up all.
01:14:58See, in Arkansas, our townhouse is next door to the governor's mansion like this.
01:15:02It's a townhouse outside of the country.
01:15:04Everybody had a townhouse.
01:15:06So we were all running buddies for years.
01:15:08You grew up next to the governor's mansion?
01:15:10Yeah.
01:15:10My house is pretty...
01:15:11When they redid the governor's mansion, they copied my stairway.
01:15:18You know, I just can't imagine the slaves...
01:15:22I mean, how do you walk 900 miles?
01:15:25I don't think I could have...
01:15:26I mean, I just feel sure I would have died.
01:15:29And no one would have cared.
01:15:31No.
01:15:32And I would have been glad of it.
01:15:33I mean, I would have rather died than...
01:15:35I'm sure some of them felt that way.
01:15:42Slaves couldn't read and write.
01:15:43So, where did education come from?
01:15:46Well, some of them are the bastard children of the aristocracy.
01:15:51See, the rich white male planner get to have sex with whoever he wanted to.
01:15:55And these men are raping women like 55 going south.
01:15:58You understand?
01:15:59Your husband gonna come tell you at 9 o'clock, baby, I'm going to check the chickens.
01:16:03He ain't going to check no chickens.
01:16:05He going down to the slave quarter.
01:16:07And he going to do that every night.
01:16:08And the only time you even come to your bed is to make an air.
01:16:12And the same women that he having sex with, raping, put it the way it is,
01:16:18they washing your clothes, cooking, cleaning, helping you put your clothes...
01:16:21She pouring your coffee in the morning, and he got that,
01:16:24I'm going to have sex with you tonight in his eyes, but he ain't looking at you.
01:16:29He looking at her.
01:16:30And guess what you get to say about it?
01:16:33Nothing.
01:16:34You can't say a word.
01:16:36Now, do you think you can't say anything because you won't say anything,
01:16:39or you can't say anything?
01:16:41What you think?
01:16:41I mean, what you think?
01:16:42If you're the wife?
01:16:43If you're the wife, why can't you say anything?
01:16:45You ain't going to be wrong, I promise you.
01:16:47Where would you go?
01:16:49Where would you live?
01:16:49Right.
01:16:50And because they're supporting your lifestyle.
01:16:52Right.
01:16:53Here we go.
01:16:57Jim Crow was constitutional law in the whole Deep South.
01:17:02Now, get this.
01:17:03From 1890 to 1965, I was born in 1964.
01:17:10Me too.
01:17:10We same age.
01:17:12Same name, same age.
01:17:13You my sister, man.
01:17:14You my sister.
01:17:15Yeah, you got to come to church with me.
01:17:18That was a drastic turn.
01:17:23I'm hip, right?
01:17:26Hey, Doc.
01:17:27Hey, that's my boy.
01:17:29Oh, man.
01:17:30And you the worst doggone muffler man in Mississippi.
01:17:34Get a job.
01:17:36Asshole.
01:17:39What did, what did Dean say?
01:17:42The muffler guy, oh, that black boy's lying.
01:17:48One of his little friends was over there.
01:17:51And every time it's three or more of them together, their ignorance just boils over.
01:18:01I get him straight in the morning, though.
01:18:10The first note that I got after my grandmother died was sort of handwritten, three pages from
01:18:15Will Clinton.
01:18:17Because, I mean, he was so kind, so down there.
01:18:20Definitely Bill.
01:18:21Now, Hillary and I kind of got into it several years ago.
01:18:24They took Confederate Boulevard, and she voted to have it changed to some black man's name.
01:18:30And I flew all over.
01:18:31I said, let me tell you, you're a brilliant woman, but you're going to go downhill getting
01:18:35involved in this black situation.
01:18:36And I said, you can just mark me off your little list of friends as you start licking up the
01:18:42blacks.
01:18:43That's exactly what she did.
01:18:45And one of them, Bill told me later, he said, you can tell her that.
01:18:50Get away with it.
01:18:52Well, it's the truth.
01:18:54And so she ruined herself.
01:18:57That's why she didn't get elected.
01:18:59It was two minutes of Negroism.
01:19:01If there's another monument built in Natchez, if I have to pay for it, it'll be to the white
01:19:06people.
01:19:07There's still white people left in this world.
01:19:09Who died and made all the black people queen for a day?
01:19:12I don't know.
01:19:13But, I mean, it's just disgusting.
01:19:16There's been people that have been persecuted much more than the blacks have.
01:19:20And whatever, if they'd pile them on a ship and send them back to Africa, they'd have
01:19:25another thought coming.
01:19:26They'd get over there and climb a coconut tree and make a living.
01:19:30Whatever.
01:19:31So I think it's just absolutely pitiful.
01:19:33Equality, which brings them everything on a silver tray.
01:19:36I mean, our taxpayers' money.
01:19:38I mean, I'm tired of taking care of somebody who won't take care of themselves.
01:19:44And I'm not saying there's not some good ones.
01:19:46There are, but they're outnumbered by the bad ones.
01:19:49It's disgusting.
01:19:51It's just black, black, black.
01:19:55I love to wear black.
01:19:59Men look so good with gray hair and black tie.
01:20:18They are not quiet.
01:20:20Hang on now.
01:20:24It's perfect.
01:20:26Everybody decide to take care of yourself.
01:20:27But I'm going from check in the Natural Das늦.
01:20:28I'm goingè¿‘ since two months of December two.
01:20:30And then we'll get back now.
01:20:31I'm going to have to decline sitting in your house.
01:20:31我tag prohibiting!
01:20:31Hopefully, 16 years of yesterday, and only when you've listened to this.
01:20:58So if you buy yourself a black mold, make sure the shoes are pointed.
01:21:02I don't want you to get ripped off, because I don't want you to go out and buy a little
01:21:05nigger for your house and let me out of your little car.
01:21:11You'll remember that, won't you?
01:21:19Do you have an elevator here?
01:21:20No elevator.
01:21:21Somebody says, what in hell, how are you going to get upstairs?
01:21:24I said, I'll get a couple of nigger boys to carry me.
01:21:27And then one lady said, if anyone will, you will.
01:21:32They also had that money to buy slave labor.
01:21:34That's part of the history.
01:21:36We need to embrace history, learn from it, profit from it, and continue on.
01:21:46I said, what happens.
01:21:47They understand.
01:21:47I'm without you.
01:22:17When I stretch my hand to thee, and all we help I know, if I withdraw thyself from me, where
01:22:41shall I
01:22:47I go, Jesus my God I know in name, the only help I know, if I withdraw thyself from me,
01:23:09the only help I know.
01:23:32This is my youngest son.
01:23:34This is, yeah, Bobby.
01:23:36Mr. Lewis, are you talking about me?
01:23:41He's the director of interpretation.
01:23:51Melrose here today commemorates over 700 slaves that John McMurrin owned over a 33-year period,
01:24:00paying homage to the enslaved people that were considered less than human, but yet built a country.
01:24:11This is the history of Americans.
01:24:15Are we really not going to tell that story?
01:24:24My barber says this place is never going to change.
01:24:35When I believe that, then I'll sell everything and move.
01:24:41This is all.
01:24:42This is all.
01:24:45And I'm proud to have a son.
01:24:57I'm proud to have a son.
01:25:06This is all.
01:25:06You're meant to do this import.
01:25:09You're always้am.
01:25:09You're hardly a man to do this.
01:25:09Then I'll have an ear underneath you.
01:25:09That's all.
01:25:09You're the mankind givingricht.
01:25:09You're always hesitating, as long as used by the light growingLA c- envie okay,
01:25:10you'restanding come you're ready to live.
01:25:13By the time thatо
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