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00:16:52to see the kitchen, you come here to see the quarters, you're coming here to see my mother's
00:17:01collection of china from the A&P grocery store.
00:17:04There is no old Sevre and old Paris and that sort of thing in here.
00:17:09The enslaved worked in here and they slept above.
00:17:13Behind the big house is the rest of the story.
00:17:23Tourism is a lifeline to the city, but that's weighing 30 percent in seven years or so.
00:17:29It turns out that millennials and Generation Z folks, them 20-something, 30-something-year-olds,
00:17:35they're not as interested in the antebellum story as I call them the gone with the wind
00:17:40stories that are being told here, as the baby boomers are.
00:17:44And Natchez has been really reluctant to expand the narrative, even in the face of Lost Revenant,
00:17:51which is where I come in.
00:17:52I'm about to violate some Southern Pride narratives with truths and facts, so hold your hat on.
00:18:02So when you're looking at these houses, you're going through Natchez, understand that they
00:18:07were built by slaves.
00:18:08And that's the piece of the history that you don't get in the antebellum houses.
00:18:13They use the word servant or help, you know, but these are slaves.
00:18:19Okay, this was Dr. Duncan's servant.
00:18:23That was their favorite servant.
00:18:25He became the overseer of this house.
00:18:27They taught him to read and write.
00:18:29Those are his actual writings right here.
00:18:31I am.
00:18:32Oh, sure.
00:18:33And back then it was against the law.
00:18:35Yeah.
00:18:36That's what I...
00:18:37Uh-huh.
00:18:38So Dr. Duncan, he was good to his people.
00:18:43Good afternoon, this is Auburn, this is Gwen.
00:18:46Yeah, this will be our last state to stay open.
00:18:51I've been a member here 40 years.
00:18:53For years, we made really, really, you know, good and we could pay our bills.
00:18:59But when you get to where you can't pay your bills, duh.
00:19:05We're all going to miss doing this, but it's just gotten to the point where we're all...
00:19:10I hate to say this, we're getting all too old.
00:19:14I guess he's not politically correct anymore.
00:19:17I'm guessing.
00:19:19What can you say?
00:19:22You know, older people sometimes wants it to remain the same, but regardless of what you
00:19:28want, you know, you can't live in the past.
00:19:32This is it.
00:19:33This is it.
00:19:34This is it.
00:19:34It's tragic.
00:19:35I hope somebody keeps it open to the public so that we can see the history.
00:19:40Instead of rewriting history, we continue the history.
00:19:49From the back, where are we from?
00:19:51Little Rock, Fox Springs.
00:19:53This is Hamburg, Arkansas.
00:19:55Arkansas, Arkansas.
00:19:56I think we're all Arkansas.
00:19:58Oh!
00:19:58Oh!
00:19:59Oh!
00:20:00Rikki!
00:20:01Sweet!
00:20:03Hey!
00:20:07Wonderful.
00:20:07Wonderful.
00:20:08I ain't got no damn Yankees on here, this is going to be a good tour.
00:20:14Hey, how did they like their money?
00:20:16Oh, I'm going to tell you, baby.
00:20:18When I get through with you, you're going to be able to buy a van and be my competition.
00:20:21There you go.
00:20:22Yes, sir.
00:20:23And so if I forget something, well, just ask away.
00:20:26By 1815, the textile mills in Manchester, England are producing 90% of the cloth for
00:20:33the entire continent.
00:20:34I said the continent of Europe.
00:20:36And the number one raw material for the cloth is?
00:20:39Cotton.
00:20:40Grown in the southern states.
00:20:41The demand for cotton becomes insatiable.
00:20:45Newspapers in Natchez say buy more slaves to grow more cotton, to buy more slaves to
00:20:49grow more cotton, to buy more slaves to grow more cotton.
00:20:52And the cotton kingdom, my dear friends, is born.
00:21:01First of all, I want to thank you for coming to Melrose.
00:21:04My name is Barney and I'll be your tour guide.
00:21:10Any time you're open for public tours, you're going to have the whole world come in.
00:21:15And they're all going to have their own education and their own experiences and their own expectations.
00:21:21We can never be everything to everybody.
00:21:26I mean, I will speak as a southerner and as a Mississippian.
00:21:29Natchez is a complicated little town.
00:21:35Because of tourism, Natchez swallowed a master narrative about the Old South.
00:21:40We all want to be rich.
00:21:42And we want to be princesses and live in palaces.
00:21:45If it's a fairytale, that's one thing.
00:21:48But if it's what you then decide is truth, then that can be much more dangerous.
00:22:00Hello.
00:22:03Beautiful.
00:22:08Oh, I got her skirt. That was it.
00:22:13The first time I put this dress on, as an older woman, I probably felt the most beautiful and ladylike
00:22:20that I've ever felt in my life.
00:22:24Hello.
00:22:26You look beautiful.
00:22:28It changes the way people look at me and it changes the way, you know, I feel about myself.
00:22:36I grew up always knowing that I was adopted.
00:22:39I didn't know any specifics because it was a very taboo subject back then.
00:22:44So I've struggled with a lot of things about myself.
00:22:54So when I put on this dress, I felt like I belonged, like I did fit in.
00:23:01I was going to go…
00:23:15And I was going to go and get out of my house.
00:23:16Next to me, I'd be like, I've got a team.
00:23:16And I'd be like a kid.
00:23:17And this lady, I – where I'm going to go, and I'm going to be able to go.
00:23:30And I went to go and get out of my house.
00:23:30That'd be a great job.
00:23:31look different because let me tell you look around we worked our butts off for
00:23:36what you see for seven generations and still working them off to keep it above
00:23:40water. Very few men can say that all their life their business has been their
00:23:49hobby. I had to wear my mic today my voice is going down y'all. At our age we're the
00:23:57old guard
00:23:58now. Of course I'm only 35. It's our damn houses that wear your butt out mentally
00:24:04physically and financially. So we're doing our regular tour day and on top of that our
00:24:13private tours then our tea dinners and things of that nature. Thank y'all for coming. Thank you. We live
00:24:22in another world we don't like it.
00:24:26Everything I do is the better of the Choctaw. It's a continuous workload.
00:24:37We're all crazy. I think it's the humidity that's affected our brain.
00:24:43We better not stay too long. David Garner at Choctaw.
00:25:06They throw me good pieces of business from time to time. You know every effort
00:25:12is made to be civil and sweet but my interactions with the Garden Club folks
00:25:19are surface level. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. We enjoyed it.
00:25:25I don't live in Natchez. Natchez is in Adams County 32 miles from where I live in Jefferson County.
00:25:39All right, Doc. What's happening? You still there? Yes, sir. It's been a long time, ain't it?
00:25:47Yes, sir. So Jesus, he say, who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am? Because he knew
00:25:55who he was.
00:25:57Yes, sir. Listen, let me help you out with a little history. You know I'm a big-time history buff.
00:26:02Well, one of the master's main tactics was to get us to hate one another.
00:26:09The light-skinned slave better than the dark-skinned slave.
00:26:12The house slave better than the field slave.
00:26:14The old better than the young. The female better than the male.
00:26:18And resentments would arise.
00:26:20But it really wasn't about hating one another.
00:26:23It was about hating ourselves.
00:26:25See, it don't matter what the world call Christ.
00:26:29In fact, let me help you, it don't matter what they call you.
00:26:32Huh?
00:26:33And you can't let other people's opinion determine your outlook on who you are.
00:26:40Huh?
00:26:41Hmm, something got a hold of me.
00:26:51Trouble in my way.
00:26:54Trouble in my way.
00:26:56I gotta cry sometime.
00:26:59Cry sometime.
00:27:00Hey, so much trouble.
00:27:04Trouble in my way.
00:27:06God blesses food and let it bless our bodies and we'll do it to our souls.
00:27:11In Jesus' name, amen.
00:27:12Amen.
00:27:13Good prayer, sir.
00:27:15Good prayer, sir.
00:27:18Good prayer, sir.
00:27:19Good prayer, sir.
00:27:21I know that my Jesus.
00:27:24Jesus, you will be.
00:27:26I know my Savior will fix it.
00:27:30Jesus, you will be.
00:27:35God blesses food and let it bless you.
00:27:36Y'all give a little help, Brady.
00:27:39Are you ready?
00:27:40Are you ready?
00:27:41Are you ready?
00:27:42Are you ready?
00:27:42Are you ready?
00:27:44Are you ready?
00:27:54Are you ready?
00:27:55Did y'all enjoy your tour?
00:27:56We did.
00:27:57Thank you so much for coming.
00:28:04As I said before, I grew up in a very small town.
00:28:08At the time that I met my husband, he was much older than me and was in the oil and
00:28:15gas
00:28:15business.
00:28:17When we married, we visited Natchez very, very often and was looking for a place.
00:28:22And one of the ladies from the garden club, a past president, invited me to join the pilgrimage
00:28:28garden club.
00:28:29You're still here now.
00:28:30I'm just...
00:28:31And so we bought the condo here in Natchez.
00:28:3517 years we've been married and, you know, we're having some really hard times, but neither
00:28:43one of us have drawn a line in the sand and we'll see what happens.
00:29:08Franklin, Arnfield, and Ballard, they could buy a slave in Virginia for $600 and sell the
00:29:14sand slave in Mississippi for $2,000.
00:29:17They could almost triple their money.
00:29:19So the cheapest way and the most common way to get slaves in the Deep South was to make
00:29:23them walk.
00:29:24One million and one half million people walked 800 plus miles barefoot and in chains into
00:29:31the cotton fields and the sugarcane plantations at Deep South.
00:29:34And it's going to take nine weeks.
00:29:37The second largest domestic slave market in the history of America was right here in Natchez.
00:29:44And it was called the Forks of the Road.
00:29:49We're right in the middle of it now.
00:29:55And this is the market itself.
00:29:58So please, guys, do not allow the size of this place to betray the magnitude of what
00:30:04happened here.
00:30:05The total number is 750,000.
00:30:08That's three quarters of a million human beings, men and women, boys and girls who are bought
00:30:14and sold at this very site on their way to survive labor until they die.
00:30:20The slaves came here bound at five points, both ankles, both wrists and around their necks.
00:30:27And then a chain between us and one going back 50 people deep.
00:30:31The neck collars and ankle braces are riveted on by a blacksmith.
00:30:36By the time the slaves get to Natchez, this iron is seasoned with flesh and with blood.
00:30:42And people ask, you know, why would you harm a product you're trying to sell?
00:30:45Well, how do you control six to 10,000 people for 30 years?
00:30:49You control them with violence and fear.
00:30:54This is a park service site.
00:30:55They already started buying properties around it to make this the premier slave market museum
00:31:01in the country.
00:31:03They're trying to buy these businesses, but, you know, the people are going to try to hold
00:31:07out for more money.
00:31:10From this point here, every plot of land that you can see with your eyes, all of these
00:31:15are slave trading companies.
00:31:17Franklin, Armfield, and Ballard's southern office, where their red muffler shop is across
00:31:21the street.
00:31:29Hello, Natchez Exile.
00:31:31Okay, that'd be cool.
00:31:33All right, Barbara.
00:31:34Thank you, baby.
00:31:36I'm Gene Williams.
00:31:37I own Natchez Exhaust across the street from the slave market.
00:31:42The state park, they made some offers on our property, and it was a joke.
00:31:50I have been working with the Forks of the Road for 18 years now.
00:31:57Land acquisition is a slow and complicated process.
00:32:00And so the challenge is always to find sellers who are willing and to have an appraised market
00:32:08value, which is what we can pay, that meets their expectations.
00:32:13Well, I mean, I've made a living here all my adult life.
00:32:17And you can't just up and move a business, you know, you've got to rebuild your business
00:32:22again.
00:32:23And at 64, I don't feel like rebuilding anything, you know?
00:32:28They'll go in here and try to buy me out for this much money.
00:32:32And then they'll spend this much money redoing everything that's here.
00:32:39And I told the guys, I said, what I look like, some poor old country guy with my bib overalls
00:32:44and chew tobacco running down my lip, going, well, you all take that far if you just give
00:32:48me that.
00:32:49And I'm going, no, I don't want that.
00:32:51It'll never happen.
00:32:55The National Park Service is in the forever business, and every parcel has its own stories
00:33:01and its own complications.
00:33:04Across the road is where Franklin, Armfield, and Ballard were located.
00:33:10And Franklin and Armfield were the largest slave traders in the United States.
00:33:15They became millionaires off of human trafficking.
00:33:20I don't know what that force of road is supposed to prove.
00:33:22I think it's just like everything else they say, they're promoting memory of something that
00:33:26was bad.
00:33:27It's over and done with.
00:33:28And I hate it.
00:33:30I wasn't here.
00:33:31None of us was here.
00:33:32No.
00:33:34Had I been here, I wouldn't have done it.
00:33:36You just have to keep reminding people of what happened 100 years ago.
00:33:41And if it's a bad, bad thought, don't remind them of it.
00:33:46If you're going to take down all the statues, take down all the statues.
00:33:49If you're going to go build something there to promote what they're taking the statues
00:33:52down about, why would they do that?
00:33:55That's kind of what my thoughts about it.
00:33:57I'm not trying to be a racist, I'm not trying to be anything like that, I'm just saying.
00:34:00Man, I thought about maybe just to open up my own force of the road over here.
00:34:05It'd be different than that.
00:34:12I hope I'm around when they finish the Forks of the Road project, when it's developed.
00:34:17Because, man, that's going to be mind-boggling.
00:34:24That land literally has our blood in it.
00:34:27Literally.
00:34:29Literally has our blood in it.
00:34:32And if it were not for Sir Boxley, that story may still be lost to time.
00:34:41The enslaved ancestors here, and I asked the question, who is going to tell their story?
00:34:50And I said I would.
00:34:53And from that time on, I'm waging a protracted struggle to bring the Forks of the Road from
00:35:01and forgotten to a National Park Service Park.
00:35:06From here on out, for as long as your generation, your generation, generation, exists, they're
00:35:11going to have to tell our story here.
00:35:15Boxley fought for that.
00:35:17He fought hard for that.
00:35:19And he has been working with politicians.
00:35:23He has worked with nonprofit groups tirelessly for more than 30 years to call attention to
00:35:29this forgotten site.
00:35:33However, Natchez City itself was an enslavement selling market.
00:35:39Up until the Franklin and Armfield people brought in enslaved persons with cholera.
00:35:44That led to banning the selling and enslaved African within the city limits.
00:35:53So there were enslaved persons sold all over the whole city.
00:35:59This is my spot, so to speak.
00:36:01And it's been a long time that I've sat here avenging the ancestors.
00:36:09I'm a Christian woman.
00:36:11And I see them as a biblical prophet, because that's what the prophets did.
00:36:18They were all about pointing out to the status quo that they were not fulfilling their mission
00:36:24of justice.
00:36:32Okay.
00:36:33Slaves came here bound at five points, both wrists, both ankles, and around their neck.
00:36:38Talking about the custom preacher?
00:36:40They would have come.
00:36:41Can I borrow you?
00:36:42No, I haven't done.
00:36:43I know him.
00:36:44He's a good guy.
00:36:46He seems to be doing well with this.
00:36:48Can I borrow you?
00:36:49They would have come in columns of two.
00:36:51You can hear him hollering over here.
00:36:52A lot of folks come there to stand and listen to the Rev story.
00:37:01So there's a common misconception that everybody white in the South had a slave.
00:37:06Only 5% of Southerners ever owned slaves.
00:37:09Now everybody white in America benefited from the institution of slavery then and today.
00:37:15America's status is the richest nation on earth.
00:37:18The first big pot of money that existed on this continent or in America was cotton.
00:37:25And cotton can't exist without...
00:37:29Hmm?
00:37:30Say it.
00:37:32Slaves.
00:37:32So it is right, fair, true, just, equitable to say that America's wealth was built upon
00:37:38the backs of the enslaved.
00:37:49My grandma, she paid cotton.
00:37:51Not like as a slave, but it was like her job when she was younger.
00:37:55It was like the old days.
00:37:56So she would like pay cotton on the cotton like for money.
00:38:02And my great grandma, she had like a brother.
00:38:05And her brother got killed.
00:38:06Because it was like, you know, like a really racist back then.
00:38:10And they thought he was talking to like this white lady.
00:38:12And they hung them.
00:38:13And they don't know where his body is at all.
00:38:17I know.
00:38:18She was crazy.
00:38:19My grandma was like...
00:38:21My grandma...
00:38:21My grandma was like...
00:38:22Y'all need to just...
00:38:23Y'all should start working across that business and walk and learn.
00:38:27I'm like growing up.
00:38:27I'm like a hundred years ago.
00:38:48I always loved Vand Bellum Homes.
00:38:50Because as a matter of fact, my mother spent some time working in one of the antebellum
00:38:56homes.
00:38:57She worked there for more than 30 years.
00:39:00And I would go to work with her.
00:39:03And I thought, wow, you know, I'd like to own one of these one day.
00:39:08And then several years ago, we were driving around and I saw the top of the columns here.
00:39:16You couldn't see anything else because it was just covered in vines.
00:39:20And we crept in.
00:39:22And I thought, oh my God.
00:39:23And I called my husband.
00:39:25Right away, I said, oh, Gregory, you should see this place we could bless a bride.
00:39:30Plantation-style weddings were really big.
00:39:33And he says, we aren't blessing anybody.
00:39:35Get in the car and come home.
00:39:39You know, when we bought the place, I was so proud.
00:39:42And then I start to ask questions about the property.
00:39:48We find then that it is a slave dwelling.
00:39:52And then we find an inventory of 124 enslaved African-American men, women, and children.
00:39:59I didn't know what to do with that when I found that it was a slave dwelling.
00:40:04I didn't know how to handle that because I'd gotten a lot of pushback from my people.
00:40:10My grandfather, he was born in slavery.
00:40:14He didn't talk about it.
00:40:16And I'd ask him even, Papa, what was your dad's name?
00:40:21Totally embarrassed, the gentleman was.
00:40:22And he'd say, oh, Master Jones, gal, now get away from here.
00:40:29Here I was living in history.
00:40:33And so my emotions are all over the place.
00:40:38I was in tears.
00:40:39I was sitting there crying.
00:40:41I go to Walmart, and there's this colorful gentleman at Walmart.
00:40:46And he says, I heard what you were doing.
00:40:48It was Sir Boxley.
00:40:51And Boxley says to me, these buildings are worthy of preservation.
00:40:58Still, people don't understand it until they come.
00:41:27You know, and some people would be offended with this, but this just smells.
00:41:30I was like, home to me.
00:41:31I love it.
00:41:32Me too.
00:41:41Welcome to the Tiger Den.
00:41:45It's homecoming.
00:41:575, 4, 3, 2, 1.
00:42:002, 1.
00:42:02Hey!
00:42:15It's a man of hell.
00:42:16Y'all means all.
00:42:18It's a fundraiser for mental health.
00:42:21The gay society puts it on.
00:42:24If the gay population left, that's just having fun.
00:42:28Half the house is the whole gay guy.
00:42:32We're the only ones that got the money in the chains.
00:42:37They did a show at the auditorium.
00:42:40We donate the beat party on Friday.
00:42:42I found this.
00:42:45So I got a bed break full of drag queens.
00:42:48I want a version of you to take with me.
00:42:51If you have handles, I put you in the overhead vent.
00:42:54Which is so cool.
00:43:08And you ought to humble yourself.
00:43:10Instead of being proud of your perversion.
00:43:13I want a person.
00:43:15Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
00:43:17How are y'all doing this evening?
00:43:21I thank y'all so much for supporting the LGBTQ plus community.
00:43:25We're here to have a good time.
00:43:27We're here to raise a lot of money.
00:43:28For y'all means all, Natchez.
00:43:30Ladies and gentlemen, Choctaw Hall is one of our sponsors this evening.
00:43:33First of all, you two kids, if you have not been to see this.
00:43:38Oh, my God.
00:43:38Stand up.
00:43:39I don't know how long it takes you to run up that platform to get a hip.
00:43:45That is a mountain worth climbing right there.
00:43:47I swear.
00:43:59I'm not going to tell you how things are, God.
00:44:02If you made me a man, then I'm a man.
00:44:05And if you made me a woman, I'm a woman.
00:44:15I love to receive.
00:44:17I love the beautiful poems, the beautiful dress, and I love pilgrimage.
00:44:25I do miss it, but I have gone through a recent divorce.
00:44:31We had a prenup.
00:44:33I'm at a financial point where I need to make a living.
00:44:37It wouldn't all fit on the truck.
00:44:39Everything that would go on the truck is there.
00:44:44But I have one more trip.
00:44:47I'm downsizing my life.
00:44:50You know, I don't have to have a lake house and a boat.
00:44:54What I do have to have is peace.
00:45:12I'm going to sort through and keep the things that really are special to me.
00:45:17And then the things that are not, I'm just going to sell them at Cress.
00:45:23It's a consignment store.
00:45:26I'll just turn it into cash.
00:45:30Some days I do really well.
00:45:32Some days not.
00:45:34But I'm going to be all right.
00:45:36Yeah.
00:45:45By the time the war starts, half of Natchez is already Union.
00:45:48A little blue speck in a sea of red today.
00:45:51By 1862, the secessionists here have to make a choice.
00:45:54My Southern pride or my million dollar bank account.
00:45:57I'm going to give you five seconds to figure that one out.
00:45:59Ray Charles can see who's going to win the war.
00:46:02Stevie Wonder wouldn't wonder who's going to win the war.
00:46:05One more time in war, poor people die so rich people can stay rich.
00:46:101865, the Civil War ends.
00:46:12That ushers us into a period called Reconstruction.
00:46:14During Reconstruction, Natchez, I told you it was peculiar.
00:46:19Natchez get a black mayor, a black sheriff, a black tax assessor,
00:46:22a black tenancy clerk to hire on rebels.
00:46:24First black man in the U.S. Senate, Natchez.
00:46:26John R. Lynch.
00:46:27First black man in the U.S. House of Representatives, Natchez.
00:46:30J.B.
00:46:30Banks.
00:46:30First black physician, Natchez.
00:46:33Schools, haberdasheries, grocery stores, apothecaries, blacksmith shops, lawyers, banks,
00:46:37and doctors.
00:46:38Pump your brakes, Rev.
00:46:40Slow down.
00:46:42How you move from being a slave to having economic and political power in the richest
00:46:47city in the world?
00:46:48Now that does not happen anywhere else in the South like it does in Natchez.
00:46:51Upper mobility for newly freed slaves throughout the South is evident, but a mayor, a congressman,
00:46:56a sheriff?
00:46:57Hell no.
00:46:57Hell no, I say.
00:46:59I'm going to require a bit of brutal honesty from you for just a moment.
00:47:04Who do you think wants what's happening in Natchez to spread throughout the rest of the country?
00:47:10Nobody.
00:47:11Nobody.
00:47:11Nobody.
00:47:12If it happened today, who do you think would want it to spread?
00:47:16And I fear the answer would be the same.
00:47:19And so, in the aristocracy, they have to stop it.
00:47:32You come here and you get away from the current year.
00:47:36Current events.
00:47:37You go back.
00:47:38I feel like I have stepped out of the current mess and muddle and I have gone back in this
00:47:44lovely way.
00:47:45To a lovely world.
00:47:47To, and I can pick and choose what I want to think about.
00:47:50That's right.
00:47:51And nowhere.
00:47:52Nowhere in America is everything beautiful.
00:47:55But magic.
00:47:57I mean, you think about the lives we've learned about here.
00:48:00Although they lived in amazing beauty, their lives were turned upside down by current events.
00:48:05We have the luxury of removing ourselves from our unsightly current events and going back
00:48:11and enjoying just the beauty of their time.
00:48:23The history that they learned and the history that they believe is now being yanked out from under them.
00:48:32That's how people experience it.
00:48:35This change that they feel is being forced on them.
00:48:41And it's hard work to come to a point where you're able to say,
00:48:45the history I learned was a mythological construct that was used to sell tickets.
00:49:02Welcome to the family dining room here at Magnolia Hall.
00:49:06There would have been 12 bells in the house, one for each room of the house.
00:49:10The bells for what?
00:49:11Oh, I'm sorry.
00:49:12To call servants.
00:49:13Call the servants.
00:49:13Yes.
00:49:14Sorry about that.
00:49:14Yes, indeed.
00:49:21I think that would sound better than the Downton Abbey chime that they had.
00:49:25That's the tea closet.
00:49:26At the time it would have been locked because y'all, tea and sugar were so expensive during that time
00:49:33that you couldn't afford for even a little bit of it to get pilfered by the servants.
00:49:38So the lady of the house would have worn that key around her neck as I do today.
00:49:43Do you know what a punkah is?
00:49:45Some of the homes here have the punkah to shoo away the flies.
00:49:49These originated in India.
00:49:51So a servant would have stood on one side of the room and pulled on the rope.
00:49:55The punkah goes back and forth.
00:49:56It would, number one, cool the gas, but it was also to keep the flies and keep the air fanned.
00:50:04Ladies and gentlemen, this punkah fan, Mary McMurrin wrote this.
00:50:08And she says, you know when the slave is doing it right?
00:50:11When they don't blow the candles out.
00:50:14That's the trick.
00:50:15This was a job.
00:50:16And his job title was called the Punkah Wallah.
00:50:20Punkah's fan.
00:50:21Wallah's work.
00:50:22Operate.
00:50:23Punkah Wallah.
00:50:24That was the name of the job.
00:50:25It was a child.
00:50:27How do we know it?
00:50:28She wrote it.
00:50:30Think about this.
00:50:32Why a child?
00:50:33Why a child?
00:50:34First of all, it's a slave.
00:50:36All right.
00:50:36It's a child.
00:50:38Small.
00:50:39Look at that corner.
00:50:40Inconspicuous.
00:50:40Out the way.
00:50:42Illiterate.
00:50:42Can't read or write.
00:50:44Not a person.
00:50:46Harmless.
00:50:48Newsflash.
00:50:49Ladies and gentlemen, I ain't never met a harmless child in my life.
00:50:53I don't care if he is a slave.
00:50:54He's a child.
00:50:56Children are intuitively inquisitive.
00:50:59We're loose at dinner.
00:51:00Things are coming out.
00:51:02This child can't read or write, but words have meanings that cause an action.
00:51:05I repeat.
00:51:06Words have meanings that cause an action.
00:51:08That's how children learn.
00:51:09They're products of not only their environment, but the culture and their language of their environment.
00:51:12That's how they learn.
00:51:13This kid is no different.
00:51:15He's a slave, but he's no different.
00:51:18What do you think is going to happen when that kid goes back to the quarters at night?
00:51:22Man, this kid.
00:51:23Man, y'all not going to believe what happened last night.
00:51:26Information is power.
00:51:28Information is power.
00:51:29Information is power.
00:51:31Information is power.
00:51:32Information is power.
00:51:33Information is power.
00:51:34Information is power.
00:51:35Especially to a race of people that can't read or write and it's against the law to teach them.
00:51:39It's power.
00:51:41How do I know this?
00:51:42Why is this park ranger saying all this?
00:51:44Simple.
00:51:45Read John Roy Lynch.
00:51:47What was John Roy Lynch job as a child?
00:51:50As a slave?
00:51:51What was John Roy Lynch job?
00:51:53He was at a house called Dunleat.
00:51:55On home of Chitter.
00:51:57What did John Roy Lynch do?
00:51:58He was a punkawalla.
00:52:00He operated the fan.
00:52:02What did John Lynch do?
00:52:03Freed himself from slavery.
00:52:04Joined the Union Army.
00:52:06What did John Lynch do?
00:52:07Became a postmaster general during the war in Natchez.
00:52:09What did John Lynch do?
00:52:11He became a United States congressman legislated out of Reconstruction.
00:52:15What did John Lynch do?
00:52:16He later left Reconstruction.
00:52:18Left politics.
00:52:19Became an attorney.
00:52:20Moved to Chicago.
00:52:21And practiced law for 38 years in Chicago.
00:52:23What was his job as a child?
00:52:27A punkawalla.
00:52:28A slave punkawalla.
00:52:30Why?
00:52:31Jesus.
00:52:46One of our goals is to try to raise the bar.
00:52:50To talk about slavery as a part of every tour.
00:52:54And I think that some of the other museum houses in town move in that direction.
00:53:01Well, you know, with mixed results.
00:53:05This painting of a black man.
00:53:07There's only three in the state of Mississippi.
00:53:10And by the way, that white is, I think, a reflection on his lip, not necessarily his teeth.
00:53:19They should be out in a minute.
00:53:24I was very resistant to talking about enslavement because I had so few facts, but we've gotten braver over the
00:53:33years.
00:53:33All of us who are from the South and who come from families who were plantation owners in the 19th
00:53:40century have to deal with the issue of slavery, chattel slavery.
00:53:46It's obviously not a nice system.
00:53:51Lansdowne was my great-great-grandparents' house.
00:53:54He had a lot of plantations, owned a huge, horrible number of slaves.
00:54:00And, yeah, that's my history.
00:54:02That's part of my history, and I have to tell it as much as I hate it.
00:54:07And the other part of our story is about the African-Americans who lived here at Greenleaf's with the family.
00:54:15Unfortunately, one of them, we know, was not happy because this is Matilda, who ran away in 1850, and this
00:54:23is an advertisement for her return.
00:54:26All right, this is what I ring when I want someone to bring me a Diet Coke.
00:54:35Welcome to the summer kitchen.
00:54:36This is an original dependency, as we say in Natchez, or outbuilding, of Gloucester.
00:54:44In National Geographic, 1949, check out this gorgeous picture.
00:54:50There is an actress portraying the shucking of all these vegetables right by the fire during pilgrimage one time.
00:55:01Isn't that lovely?
00:55:05Here I am with this slave dwelling.
00:55:08So I said, oh, you know, I'm going to invite the Garden Club ladies out here to see this house.
00:55:13And I did.
00:55:15Now, I love how Debbie has gone through, because the unique history of this property here, I would say the
00:55:23majority of us that have these other homes don't really have that type of opportunity to focus on what she
00:55:30can focus on.
00:55:31But we have the responsibility of doing what we've got at our places as well.
00:55:37Anyway, you know, the thing I like about Debbie is the one thing we have in common is that we
00:55:43both seem to just have our own ideas and our own research, and then we just do whatever we want.
00:55:52Mm-hmm.
00:55:53Mm-hmm.
00:55:54I find that very fun about you.
00:55:56Mm-hmm.
00:55:59I am fun, fun, fun.
00:56:01I'm fun Debbie.
00:56:02That's just who I am.
00:56:04She went over to our house to visit it, but I didn't even get to meet her then.
00:56:08When you're telling a story about, say, a kitchen, a Black woman's kitchen, for me, you bring a Black person
00:56:17in to talk about kitchen.
00:56:19And you say to me, well, you come and you do it.
00:56:24I don't have time to tell the story for your kitchen.
00:56:28But I'm almost certain your guest would most probably be more receptive of a Black person, woman, in that kitchen
00:56:45telling your story.
00:56:48That's all.
00:56:49Mm-hmm.
00:56:49We probably have two different kinds of people coming, some who just want to look at pretty things and some
00:56:56who want to learn more about it.
00:56:57I don't know.
00:56:58I bet they're different there now.
00:56:59I know who comes to my house.
00:57:01Yeah, yeah.
00:57:01I mean, yeah, well, I know who comes here, and I know, you know what I'm saying.
00:57:06It might be an argument if I don't want to do that.
00:57:08Oh, no.
00:57:09Okay.
00:57:09No, what I want to say is that a lot of people come to Natchez and they see the pictures.
00:57:17They're not even oftentimes reading anything about it.
00:57:21They see that, that mansion.
00:57:22So they come here to find, oh, it's a slave quarter.
00:57:28I have people who stay with me who have no idea.
00:57:32Yeah, because it's, yes, because it's concealed by design.
00:57:35What's frustrating to me is reading the stories of the enslaved people, they're at least getting to learn some names.
00:57:43But we don't have, it frustrates me to know we don't know what they look like.
00:57:47We don't have a portrait of any of them.
00:57:50And I kind of, it's the way it was.
00:57:52But I'm like, what do you do?
00:57:54Do you have a silhouette created?
00:57:55Is there something to, to symbolize someone without it?
00:57:59I'll never have something real.
00:58:00Or do you just honor the name or what little bit you know?
00:58:04You certainly didn't answer your own question.
00:58:07That is exactly what you do.
00:58:09I don't know how y'all feel about it, but I like how Helen Smith, I thought she said it
00:58:12well.
00:58:12She said there's clearly examples of there being great affection, you know, between people in the home.
00:58:18But she says affection will never be a substitute for freedom.
00:58:21Right.
00:58:21And I thought that was a nice way to say it.
00:58:23But you at least like, I hope there's affection.
00:58:25It makes you feel a little, like, okay, they weren't.
00:58:28Gloucester was built in 1803 and the Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863.
00:58:34So it did have slavery for 60 years.
00:58:37But then, from then on, from 1863 to 1920, when they built an indoor kitchen finally, they had, you know,
00:58:47paid servants out there working in that very primitive kitchen.
00:58:52Some stayed on and just, you know, got paid, I'm sure.
00:58:57Okay.
00:58:58Surely not much, but got paid and stayed on with the family long after the war.
00:59:02We pay our housekeeper.
00:59:04She doesn't come for free.
00:59:05Mm-hmm.
00:59:07Okay.
00:59:07Yeah.
00:59:08Yeah.
00:59:09It was like a nightmare today.
00:59:11By the time you got here, I wanted to just burst into tears.
00:59:14Mm.
00:59:15I did.
00:59:16Oof.
00:59:16And I mean, cause it, this shit is hard and then you have to sit in here and listen at
00:59:20all
00:59:21that old care and stuff.
00:59:22Mm-hmm.
00:59:23So she bought a house and she doesn't know.
00:59:26That's it.
00:59:27She knows the history of her house, but she knows and that is so it.
00:59:30Her, the lingo, it's not proper.
00:59:33The things she needs to, she needs some, she needs to go get some help with that because
00:59:38it's offensive.
00:59:40It truly is.
00:59:41And I was trying not to be so offended in my home as well as not to offend her.
00:59:48That woman made me so, I don't usually get that rabble.
00:59:53But that is so, that's it.
00:59:56Um, bless her heart.
00:59:57And I'm gonna send her some candy.
01:00:00Some cookies.
01:00:01Don't send her no candy and cookies.
01:00:02Send her a book.
01:00:03So she need to be educated.
01:00:05Oh!
01:00:18She sure seen this one.
01:00:25Perfect!
01:00:28You got some food!
01:00:32He's like, damn, damn, damn, damn.
01:01:01Walk out the door, the one thing that you need, baby, is one mucket on stock on the show.
01:01:07Like you wanna go, baby, go ahead and walk out the door.
01:01:11Go and walk one door.
01:01:20Take your time as you exit.
01:01:25The old aristocracy, they went from have to have not.
01:01:2975 years of absolute wealth and power ended in four years of war.
01:01:33At Melrose, they're planting tomatoes after the war to pay taxes.
01:01:37What do you think the first thing was on the aristocracy's mind?
01:01:40How do I get it back?
01:01:43By 1890, all 13 ex-federal states passed the Mississippi Plan,
01:01:47and it becomes a lot of land in the South.
01:01:49These new constitutions in the South will forbid black representation
01:01:53on a state, federal, and local level.
01:01:54Just like that, all those elected officials sit down.
01:01:57It's gonna create voter suppression laws like literacy tests and poll taxes.
01:02:00There's no more black voting.
01:02:01White-only and cuddling-only bathrooms.
01:02:03Limited access to public facilities.
01:02:04A black man can't wear a white shirt on Sunday morning.
01:02:07If you were walking down the sidewalk and I approached you,
01:02:09I had to step into the street by my head and call you miss.
01:02:12If I looked in your eyes, constitutional law called that simple assault.
01:02:16You told I went to jail, hello Karen.
01:02:19She born right here in Natchez.
01:02:22The most insidious thing it did was to rewrite criminal justice codes called black codes for black people.
01:02:26This will elevate misdemeanors to felonies and create inmate lease programs so that state prisons,
01:02:32county jails, and local jails can rent inmates to farmers.
01:02:34That set of laws had a name, and it was not the name of a human.
01:02:39It was the name of a minstrel act where an actor put on blackface and pasted feathers on his arms,
01:02:45danced around as a buffoon, and it was called Jim Crow.
01:02:48Jim Crow.
01:02:49Jim Crow.
01:02:50Jim Crow was not some Spidey municipal ordinate social norm and custom.
01:02:55Jim Crow was constitutional law in the whole Deep South from 1890 to 1965.
01:03:0265.
01:03:04Yeah, I was born in 1964.
01:03:07It was not until LBJ signed the Voter Rights Act in 64 and Civil Rights Act in 65
01:03:12that Jim Crow got wiped out the books.
01:03:14It was too late.
01:03:15It was a scar.
01:03:16It was a wound on the soul of America.
01:03:1975 years of government-sanctioned, institutionalized, systemic racism and white supremacy
01:03:24had done its dastardly deed.
01:03:27America is still segregated.
01:03:29There are black schools, white schools, black churches, white churches, black neighborhoods,
01:03:33white neighborhoods to this very day in Natchez.
01:03:37Is that on purpose?
01:03:39Well, it's got to be on purpose.
01:03:41Well, you know what I mean, like...
01:03:43I mean, are there, you know, new developments that actual white and black people are living...
01:03:51I mean, there are exceptions.
01:03:53No, there's no signs.
01:03:55But Jim Crow was ingrained into America's psyche, culture, heart, mind, and it's still there.
01:04:18Thank you all, you gotta be careful now.
01:04:19When it's thin, I'm about to sit down before I fall around.
01:04:30The Parkinson's, it controls you.
01:04:35You don't control him.
01:04:39I don't shake that much.
01:04:42Every once in a while, I do.
01:04:47See, if I stood up right now too quickly, I'd keep walking.
01:04:51My body would stop mentally, but that's when I fall so much.
01:04:56So I've got where I just creep around.
01:04:59I've been reluctant to use a cane.
01:05:01That makes me look older than I am.
01:05:06My voice is just terrible.
01:05:10It's becoming an issue.
01:05:13For the doctors' sake, it's just overusage is what it is,
01:05:17but I don't know if I go along with that or not.
01:05:22There's no pain, just no voice.
01:05:26It's kind of strange and mysterious.
01:05:32If it gets any worse, I'll just quit talking.
01:05:36I'll just stop.
01:05:44Y'all got any questions, comments, anything?
01:05:47You ain't going to get a whole lot of opportunities to talk to an articulate black man about this kind
01:05:53of stuff, so go ahead.
01:05:55How do you turn that around?
01:05:57Oh, baby, if I knew, I'd be rich.
01:06:00Well, I know that.
01:06:01But I mean, it starts with sitting down and talking, just like you said.
01:06:04It does.
01:06:06But then you have to focus more on, do you feel like, education?
01:06:10I always felt like education was the key.
01:06:14Yeah, I think so.
01:06:15The whole family idea, women having numerous children and with no father.
01:06:21Yeah.
01:06:21You know, I mean, that.
01:06:22Well, they got fathers.
01:06:23Well, yeah, yeah.
01:06:24They all got, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:25You know what I'm saying?
01:06:26They're not.
01:06:26In the home.
01:06:27They're absolutely not.
01:06:28Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
01:06:30And that's designed.
01:06:32You see, if you want to kill a snake, do you cut the tail off of the head?
01:06:35Right, sure.
01:06:35You cut the head off.
01:06:37And so the cradle to the prison pipeline, the injection of drugs and poverty and the gentrification in communities and
01:06:47the redlining, all that stuff works just fine.
01:06:51I get thousands of people, I've done these tours in the last eight years or so, and I get this
01:06:56comment a bit repetitively where folks say, well, what black people need to do is this or this or this
01:07:03to solve this problem.
01:07:04But y'all understand that black people didn't create the problem.
01:07:08White people created the problem.
01:07:10And so if it's going to be solved, white folks are going to have to solve it.
01:07:13Plus, let me finish.
01:07:15Right.
01:07:15Let me finish.
01:07:17Black people don't have enough money or power to solve the problem.
01:07:20And so the inequities that exist in our culture will require something that I think is going to be difficult.
01:07:29And that's why folks are going to have to give up something.
01:07:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:33Opportunity.
01:07:34Wealth.
01:07:35All those things.
01:07:36And who wants to give up anything that they feel like they work for?
01:07:41You know what I'm saying?
01:07:41And so how you fix them, man, that's real tough.
01:07:49I welcome those conversations.
01:07:52And sometimes after the tours, I'm a little sad because I feel like we've made a connection and now it
01:07:59has to end.
01:08:01You got to analyze as you're talking to people and it's almost an art what they're able to bear.
01:08:09You know, you get more from non-verbal cues than you do verbal cues.
01:08:12So, you know, I'm really in tune to them while I'm talking.
01:08:16And that's how I know when to shut up.
01:08:19You ever pick cotton rib?
01:08:20No, sir.
01:08:21No, sir.
01:08:50I have.
01:08:50You know, he made some blatantly racist comments.
01:08:54I always picture him as just trying to portray what a Southern aristocratic gentleman, how they would talk as opposed
01:09:08to being him.
01:09:09Yeah, I mean, he gay in America still.
01:09:12Y'all will get to know him a little bit more and maybe you can see if there's a real
01:09:15him or if that is the real him.
01:09:19Jacques Petit loved monkeys.
01:09:21He owned three.
01:09:23He made scent bottles with rose oil in the shape of monkeys.
01:09:28Look at her.
01:09:29She's dressed in royal clothes.
01:09:30Her top comes off.
01:09:31Poor rose oil.
01:09:32Look, she's got a flask in her hand.
01:09:34She's smashed.
01:09:36She can tell by looking and look how beautifully signed she is.
01:09:39Don't you look at her face.
01:09:41Isn't she hysterical?
01:09:42I mean, this girl is blitz.
01:09:45And what's so interesting is cracked and crazed.
01:09:48You still smell rose oil.
01:09:51Isn't that great?
01:09:53I feel like I'm doing communion.
01:09:56When I made a good priest, I love him.
01:10:00But have you been in Choctaw, too?
01:10:02Yes.
01:10:02Did you see David?
01:10:03Oh, yes.
01:10:04Very entertaining.
01:10:05Biggest characters you'll ever meet.
01:10:07He's a nice guy.
01:10:08Yeah, he is.
01:10:09And believe it or not, he took a bunch of stuff out.
01:10:11Yeah.
01:10:12He did, especially at Christmas.
01:10:12Well, he said the Hoot Skirt Mafia made him take a lot of things.
01:10:15That's right.
01:10:17They got on to him all the time about inappropriate words that he might use.
01:10:22And he didn't like that at all.
01:10:24So he was reprimanded numerous times over his tours.
01:10:28But everybody loves his tours.
01:10:30He just says it like it is.
01:10:31He's entertaining.
01:10:32Bye-bye.
01:10:33Y'all come back now, you hear?
01:10:44In recognition and appreciation for their many contributions to our city,
01:10:51don't start doing that.
01:10:53You're going to make me.
01:10:54We honor Deborah Cozy with his key to the city.
01:11:04Wow, I'm so overwhelmed.
01:11:06Natchez is a place of healing of the ugly past.
01:11:09And yes, I am the first African-American woman to be a member of the Pilgrimage Garden Club.
01:11:14And then when they're early, my friend here, he'll tell you, I do this for them.
01:11:20And then I break them down if they want to be ugly.
01:11:23Oh, freedom.
01:11:29Oh, freedom.
01:11:32Oh, freedom.
01:11:36Oh, freedom.
01:11:37Over me and before I'd be a slave, said I'd be buried in my grave.
01:11:45And go home, home to my lord, and I'd be free.
01:12:01I have really bad days sometimes.
01:12:05When I think I'm going to just be this little wimpy girl, woman or whatever, it's like I'm tired and
01:12:10I can't do this anymore and I can't go.
01:12:12So, I think of them, the enslaved people here, Flora Upshaw, Hester Williams, George and Charity Martin.
01:12:28I give honor to them.
01:12:32I say their names.
01:12:34I ask for their guidance.
01:12:44You know, these were handmade.
01:12:52They made these bricks, you know.
01:13:12One day I was out here, as I am every morning.
01:13:15And a van drove up.
01:13:18I introduced myself.
01:13:20And as it turns out, I'm Tracy.
01:13:22He's Tracy.
01:13:22So, we chatted for a little while.
01:13:24And, you know, I had wanted to do his tours since then.
01:13:28I love learning about all of the beautiful architecture that's here and the culture of our city.
01:13:35Well, y'all know my name is Tracy Collins, and I'm a local pastor here.
01:13:42And I'm a bit of a historian.
01:13:49The fastest growing cash crop in the state is the southern pine.
01:13:52My very first job was in the Quoboids.
01:13:55Shut up.
01:13:56You ain't been in no woods, girl.
01:13:58You were Beverly Hill building.
01:13:59My dad loaded the truck, and then my mom drove the truck to the mill the next morning and unloaded
01:14:06it.
01:14:06I hauled wood for one day.
01:14:10The next day, I went and got in college.
01:14:12Right.
01:14:13By the time slavery moves from the east to the south, the chains aren't on their arms anymore.
01:14:18The chains are on their minds.
01:14:24You been in Melrose?
01:14:26I have not.
01:14:32It's so sad that people can be so, you know, so cruel.
01:14:37He said some things that made me think about it a little differently than what I had before.
01:14:51And this is my mother who died last year.
01:14:54This is what my mother wanted to go clean up all.
01:14:58See, in Arkansas, our townhouse is next door to the governor's mansion.
01:15:02Like, this is townhouse outside of the country.
01:15:04Everybody had a townhouse.
01:15:06So we were all running base for years.
01:15:08You grew up next to the governor's mansion?
01:15:10Yeah.
01:15:10My house is pretty...
01:15:11When they redid the governor's mansion, they copied my stairway.
01:15:18You know, I just can't imagine the slaves.
01:15:21I mean, how do you walk nine hundred miles?
01:15:25I don't think I could have...
01:15:26I mean, I just feel sure I would have died.
01:15:29And no one would have cared.
01:15:31No.
01:15:32And I would have been glad of it.
01:15:33I mean, I would have rather died than...
01:15:35I'm sure someone felt that way.
01:15:41Slaves couldn't read and write.
01:15:43So, where did education come from?
01:15:46Well, some of them are the bastard children of the aristocracy.
01:15:51See, the rich white male planter get to have sex with whoever he wanted to.
01:15:55And these men are raping women like 55 going south.
01:15:58You understand?
01:15:59Your husband gonna come tell you at nine o'clock,
01:16:02baby, I'm going to check the chickens.
01:16:04He ain't going to check no chickens.
01:16:05He going down to the slag quarter.
01:16:07And he gonna do that every night.
01:16:08And the only time he even come to your bed is to make an air.
01:16:11And the same women that he having sex with,
01:16:15raping, put it the way it is,
01:16:19they washing your clothes, cooking, cleaning,
01:16:20helping you put your clothes...
01:16:21She pouring your coffee in the morning.
01:16:23And he got that, I'm going to have sex with you
01:16:25to look tonight in his eyes.
01:16:27But he ain't looking at you.
01:16:29He looking at her.
01:16:30And guess what you get to say about it?
01:16:33Nothing.
01:16:34You can't say a word.
01:16:36Now, do you think you can't say anything
01:16:38because you won't say anything
01:16:39or you can't say anything?
01:16:40What you think?
01:16:41I mean, what you think?
01:16:42If you're the wife?
01:16:43If you're the wife, why can't you say anything?
01:16:45You ain't going to be wrong, I promise you.
01:16:47Where would you go?
01:16:49Where would you live?
01:16:49Right.
01:16:50What would you do?
01:16:50And because they're supporting your lifestyle.
01:16:52Right.
01:16:53Here we go.
01:16:57Jim Crow was constitutional law
01:17:00in the whole Deep South.
01:17:02Now, get this.
01:17:03From 1890 to 1965,
01:17:07I was born in 1964.
01:17:1018.
01:17:10We same age.
01:17:12Same name, same age.
01:17:13You my sister, man.
01:17:14You my sister.
01:17:15Yeah, you got to come to church with me.
01:17:18That was a drastic turn.
01:17:23I'm hip, right?
01:17:26Hey, Doc.
01:17:26Hey, that's my boy, boy.
01:17:29Oh, man.
01:17:30And you're the worst doggone muffler man in Mississippi.
01:17:34Get a job.
01:17:36Asshole.
01:17:39What did, what did Dean say?
01:17:42The muffler guy, oh, that black boy's lying.
01:17:48One of his little friends was over there.
01:17:51And every time it's three or more of them together,
01:17:58their ignorance just boils over.
01:18:01I get them straight in the morning, though.
01:18:10The first note I got at my grandmother died was from handwritten,
01:18:14three pages from Bill Clinton.
01:18:17Because, I mean, he was so kind, so down there.
01:18:20He definitely built.
01:18:21Now, Hilary and I kind of got into it several years ago.
01:18:24They took Confederate Boulevard, and she voted to have it changed
01:18:28to some black man's name.
01:18:30And I flew all over.
01:18:31I said, let me tell you, you're a brilliant woman,
01:18:34but you're going to go down a hill getting involved
01:18:35in this black situation.
01:18:37And I said, you can just mark me off your little list of friends
01:18:41as you start licking up the black.
01:18:43That's exactly what she did.
01:18:45And one of them, Bill told me later, he said,
01:18:48you could tell her that and get away with it.
01:18:52Well, it's the truth.
01:18:54And so she ruined herself.
01:18:57That's why she didn't get elected.
01:18:58It was two minutes of niggerism.
01:19:01If there's another monument built in Natchez,
01:19:04if I have to pay for it, it'll be to the white people.
01:19:07There's still white people left in this world.
01:19:09Who died and made all the black people queen for a day?
01:19:12I don't know.
01:19:13But, I mean, it's just disgusting.
01:19:16There's been people that have been persecuted much more
01:19:19than the blacks have.
01:19:21And whatever, if they had to pile them on a ship
01:19:24and send them back to Africa,
01:19:25they'd have another thought coming.
01:19:26They'd get over there and climb a coconut tree
01:19:28and make a living.
01:19:30Whatever.
01:19:31So I think it's just absolutely pitiful.
01:19:33Equality, which brings them everything on a silver tray.
01:19:36I mean, our taxpayers' money.
01:19:38I mean, I'm tired of taking care of somebody
01:19:42who won't take care of themselves.
01:19:44And I'm not saying there's not some good ones.
01:19:46There are, but they're outnumbered by the bad ones.
01:19:50It's disgusting.
01:19:51It's just black, black, black.
01:19:55I love to wear black.
01:19:59Men look so good with gray hair and black tie.
01:20:17Men look so good with black...
01:20:58So if you buy yourself a black mortar,
01:21:00make sure shoes are pointed.
01:21:02I don't want you to get ripped off,
01:21:03because I don't want you to go out
01:21:04and buy you a little nigger for your house
01:21:06and let me out of your car.
01:21:11You'll remember that, won't you?
01:21:19Do you have an elevator here?
01:21:20No elevator.
01:21:21Somebody says,
01:21:22what in hell would you get over,
01:21:23how are you going to get upstairs?
01:21:24I said, I'll get a couple of nigger boys to carry me.
01:21:27And then one lady said,
01:21:28if anyone will, you will.
01:21:31They also had that money to buy slave labor.
01:21:34That's part of history.
01:21:36We need to embrace history,
01:21:39learn from it,
01:21:40profit from it,
01:21:41and continue on.
01:22:02and to become more of the old.
01:22:02We have an arche.
01:22:02We have another figure
01:22:02So I want to make the chef of the bitch with him.
01:22:02To come back to it,
01:22:05the chef of the bitch alone!
01:22:12You can't turn around,
01:22:16Oh, when I stretch my hand to thee, and all we have I know, if I withdraw thyself from
01:22:37me, where shall I go, Jesus my God, I know his name, the only help I know, if I withdraw
01:23:07thyself from me, where shall I go.
01:23:19I know.
01:23:31This is my youngest son.
01:23:34This is Bobby.
01:23:36This is Bobby.
01:23:36This is Bobby.
01:23:38Thank you for your, you know.
01:23:40He's the director of interpretation.
01:23:51Melrose, here today commemorates over 700 slaves that John McMurray owned over 33 year period,
01:24:00Paying homage to the enslaved people that were considered less than human, but yet built a country.
01:24:11This is the history of Americans. Are we really not going to tell that story?
01:24:24My barber says this place is never going to change.
01:24:31A couple of choices.
01:24:35When I believe that, then I'll sell everything and move.
01:24:41This is home.
01:25:00Clean� and harmonize.
01:25:01Strongly.
01:25:17Clean� and low surrendered.
01:25:18You want them let me know that story?
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