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Believe Me S01E03
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00:01Look over there.
00:02He's a big fat one.
00:04You see Mummy?
00:06Oh, yeah.
00:07Who's that?
00:08Mummy!
00:09Hello, sweetheart.
00:10Look at that balloon.
00:12Do you want that?
00:15Do you want to say hello to your baby brother?
00:17This is Lenny.
00:19Hello, Lenny. Can I touch him?
00:20Yeah, of course you can touch him again.
00:22Good boy.
00:26Oh, big grunts.
00:29How's it feel, Daddy?
00:31I can't believe it.
00:33What do you think?
00:34It's pretty.
00:35Yeah, it's pretty. It's very pretty.
00:37You're amazing.
00:39How are you?
00:41Yeah, my back's killing me.
00:42Leaking milk all over the place, but...
00:44I'm happy.
00:46What do you think?
00:47He likes that boy.
00:48You don't like that boy.
00:55Fart, she grind!
00:57On a scratch card.
00:59I couldn't believe it.
01:01I mean, like, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
01:04Er, no.
01:05Never.
01:07Congratulations.
01:08Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
01:15Cheers.
01:27No, no, I'm an idiot, really.
01:29You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, don't you?
01:32You win money as big as that, but, like, I'm driving, aren't I?
01:35I just didn't think.
01:37I was so excited.
01:39What am I like?
01:46So, how broad-minded are you then?
01:50You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
01:55What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
01:57Can you let me out, please?
02:02Look, would you say, give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
02:08Like, you know, like, say five grand, would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
02:12Look, I've texted my husband. He'll be waiting for me.
02:15So, yeah, you're a gorgeous looking girl.
02:17I'd love to have sex with you.
02:19I want to make a few quid on the side.
02:21Let me out. Open it.
02:22Just think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
02:24Let me out.
02:27That's my husband.
02:29Let me out.
02:30Open it.
02:38You're really wasting my fucking time tonight!
02:42My team has now taken over this investigation.
02:45And the number of attacks we are investigating has now risen to five.
02:49After further searches of our database revealed another possibly linked sexual assault in June 2005.
02:56So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning.
03:01With the object of making the women of London aware that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there
03:07driving a black cab.
03:09Why is a link between all these attacks only just been made?
03:11From what you've just told me, he's been doing this for a minimum of three years.
03:16So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
03:18Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
03:21The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
03:25Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then, could they?
03:28Not if this was missed for three years.
03:31We're doing all we can.
03:33One other question, why Friday?
03:37Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
03:40Plans have to be put in place.
03:42What about other girls going out in London tonight?
03:46They're in danger too, aren't they?
04:12No, no, no, no, no, no.
04:14Stop it.
04:14Stay down there.
04:15What do you think?
04:45The key information is that we believe there is a black cab driver out there tricking women passengers into drinking
04:52a glass of champagne, which he has drugged, and then sexually assaulting those women.
04:59Typically, he tells them he's had to win at a casino or on the lottery and that he wants them
05:03to celebrate with him.
05:05Then he offers them the champagne.
05:08No, we have linked five cases so far, but we believe there are more, which is why we're asking anyone
05:15who recognizes this method or any method similar to this to come forward and help us identify this man.
05:21You won't believe what he said to me this time. I'm so done now.
05:24I thought he was joking, right? But he says, if I bought you a ring, would you move in with
05:28me?
05:28What type of ring? And then he says, a friendship ring.
05:32What?
05:33Exactly. I said you could get lost, mate. A friendship ring. Do you want me to be your house, mate?
05:38Can I get veggie sausage, please? He's taking the piss, isn't he?
05:41Just the one?
05:42Yeah. Thanks.
05:44Rachel.
05:45What's up?
05:48I need the supervisor.
05:51A nurse?
05:53Works at a haven centre.
05:55She said she saw the sun today.
05:57And in July of last year, they dealt with a girl with an almost identical story.
06:00Driver said it one big at a casino, offered a champagne that she was convinced was corrupt.
06:05Well, that's it. That's not six victims.
06:07Yeah, but the important bit is the cab was caught on CCTV at a university hall of residence.
06:13We've got a name and address for the driver.
06:15John Derek Warboys. Lives in Rotherhithe.
06:19Maleuveか.
06:26Go on.
06:35John Derek's.
06:37Go on.
06:47Oops.
06:48It hurts.
06:48He's starting to pass with a demon in the house in the house.
06:50What's all this about, mate?
06:51John Warboys.
06:54Yeah?
06:54I'm a police officer.
06:56Can you come down and open the door, please?
07:02I've been out working all night. What do you want?
07:04Come down and open the door.
07:16What is it?
07:18I'm Derek Woolboys.
07:19I'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault
07:21between 2005 and 2008.
07:23You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defense
07:25if you do not mention my question, something which you later rely on and call.
07:34You're on the way back to something liquid in now.
07:35House is being searched.
07:38Why didn't she flag, Dave?
07:40The girl that has told us about.
07:41Yeah, right. I, um, I checked that out.
07:45Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime.
07:47So there's no criminal intelligence report in the system.
07:50What?
07:51It was only logged as a crime-related incident.
07:53But that's against protocol.
07:54The starting point is that she should be believed.
07:57The starting point is that she should be believed.
07:59It's a criminal.
08:00Who's wrong, who's wrong?
08:02No.
08:13The security?
08:14No.
08:22The security?
08:23The problema.
08:24The security?
08:25The security.
08:41a suspect was arrested earlier today so we are now asking any women who think they may have been
08:46attacked by this man to please come forward they may well feel that something has happened to them
08:53it might not be certain what but it's important for everyone who recognizes this man's behavior
08:59to get in touch with us as a matter of urgency do i admit making a mistake getting into the
09:05back
09:05with her could say got in the back to help her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at
09:11me
09:14and what would you say to any women who do come forward to perhaps feeling scared or vulnerable
09:19i would say that they will be supported that they will be listened to
09:26and that they will be believed
09:31i'd go coasting over phuket every time every time i mean both in thailand but hannah said she sold
09:37three holidays in coasting in the last night what do you think of coasting me yeah sorry i'm going
09:43there next year defo love coasting me oh she's wounding me up though hannah can you order some
09:50more a4 can you get a coconut scented candle can you go out and get me a coffee at almond
09:54milk not
09:54dairy i've actually got a question to ask you hannah what did your last bloody slave die for uh i'm
09:59sorry i think i've forgotten something you what um can you just just tell hannah i won't be a minute
10:24they didn't even warn me it's him isn't it yeah
10:30Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's him. It's exactly what he did to me.
10:38Why am I finding out about it from a newspaper? What the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to
10:44do?
10:50Frankie, I'm just feeding the baby.
10:52Are you watching the news?
10:53What?
10:54Just turn the news on now. ICV.
10:57One second.
11:01Typically, he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery.
11:06Then he offers them a drink of champagne, which he has drugged.
11:10Most of the women who have so far come forward have no memory of what happened in the period after
11:15drinking the champagne.
11:18They said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver.
11:22Mate, that's exactly how you said it happened.
11:25They won't listen to me. I thought I was going mad.
11:29You've got to call him, Sarah.
11:31No!
11:33Oh, I can't go through that again.
11:38Please just think about it.
11:41I haven't even told Dad what happened.
11:44I was told by a friend about the story in the Sun newspaper today, and when I read it, I
11:49knew straight away that this man had done something similar to me.
11:54Yes, it was in July of last year.
11:57I was told when my case was going to be closed down that one of your officers didn't think a
12:02black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fair.
12:05That is what was said to me.
12:08Look, what I want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the same man who attacked
12:13me last year.
12:14Can you at least tell me that, please?
12:17I don't need a name.
12:19I don't need a name.
12:21I don't need a name.
12:23I don't need a name.
12:23I don't need a name.
12:24Thank you very much.
12:25I've got to go now.
12:30It's the same man.
12:34A long time ago, five years ago, before I met you, I was raped.
12:47But nobody believed me.
12:49The police didn't believe me.
12:52Not even Connor believed me.
12:57The man who did it, he's done it to other women, too, and he's just been arrested.
13:05Come here.
13:05I'm so sorry, I don't need to cuddle.
13:11They've put it behind me, and that's where it's going to stay.
13:15They've asked people to come forward, but I'm not going to.
13:21You have to go to the police, Sarah.
13:23It's enough.
13:24I know after all these years I was right.
13:28That that man did drug me.
13:31He did attack me.
13:34Beyond that, I don't want to waste any more of my life on him.
13:51Okay.
13:52Let's start with the allegations of you touching female passengers in your cab in a sexual way.
13:59How do you respond to this?
14:00No comment.
14:01Mr Warboys will not be answering any of your questions tonight, as is his right, but he has prepared a
14:06statement, which he is prepared to read out to you now.
14:10Okay, John.
14:11Let's see what you have to say.
14:27I am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me.
14:32I have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab, and I have also never administered any
14:38form of drug to a passenger, also whilst in my cab.
14:46I am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me, and offended that anyone would think
14:52that I, as a respected black cab driver, would be capable of behaving in this despicable manner.
15:02I am completely innocent.
15:06Okay, John.
15:07You will be detained for further questioning, and we are also going to need some swabs and a DNA sample
15:12from you.
15:28It has been white hot all day.
15:30How many linked cases?
15:32Forty-three.
15:34Forty-three positively linked.
15:36Same description, same milder's operandi.
15:39And that number is only going to rise when the line is open again tomorrow.
15:41Forty-three?
15:42Yeah.
15:42I mean, forty-three.
15:46What is happening here?
15:58Forty-three.
16:03Forty-three.
16:04Forty-three.
16:04Forty-three.
16:04Forty-three.
16:04Forty-three.
16:20I've just got to get it all straight in my head before I call them.
16:25A cup of tea?
16:26Yeah, please. Thank you.
16:28Call me, are you?
16:33I called him a lovely man.
16:38He gave me a cigarette and I said he was a lovely man.
16:45Can't be that I fucking said that to him.
16:49You're doing the right thing.
16:55Come on.
17:00Why did nobody tell me that you were going to arrest this man?
17:05Very sorry about that.
17:07Why did I have to find out about it through the newspapers and the TV?
17:11The answer is to do with the original team who investigated your complaint.
17:15It seems they only recorded it as a crime-related incident and not as a crime.
17:22So your details and the details of the complaint were never properly in the system.
17:27Right.
17:31Right.
17:34Because, you know, they didn't really believe anything that I said.
17:38I'm not going to sit here and try and defend the original investigation.
17:41Good.
17:42Because it appears that mistakes were clearly made.
17:47To be told effectively that I was lying was devastating.
17:53Do you understand that?
17:57Absolutely devastating.
18:00And I've had to live with that for the last five years.
18:05My parents were devastated when I left uni.
18:10But I've never told them, or my brothers, what happened to me.
18:16Because we're not that kind of family.
18:17So when the police, the only people that I thought would support me, turn their backs on me, that left
18:26me totally alone.
18:28Well, if the CPS had reviewed the evidence in your case, perhaps, there might have been a different outcome.
18:32But, unfortunately, that is...
18:33Wait, wait, sorry, you had, um...
18:35Did you...
18:37Did you just say that the CPS did not review my case?
18:42No.
18:45I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service had looked at all the evidence and decided not to proceed, which
18:53is why they closed the investigation in the first place.
18:59No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
19:04The decision to close your investigation was made by the senior officers overseeing it.
19:12They lied to me.
19:14I am sorry to say we haven't been able to locate your Achieving Best Evidence video, or any of the
19:20items of clothing you told us about.
19:22What?
19:23None of the items you were wearing that night were where they should have been, in the evidence store.
19:34I reckon they got rid of all my evidence when he was arrested because they knew it would make them
19:37look bad.
19:38I don't know if that's the case.
19:41I only hope that it isn't.
19:43Now, I'm guessing they were looking for the classic date rape drugs, such as Rhypnol, and didn't find any.
19:48No, no, no, but they told me that they found nothing.
19:49Like I was, like I was lying?
19:52Like I was lying about being drugged, that's...
19:54The test showed diphenhydramine, which is the active ingredient in NITOR, was found in your urine.
19:59Okay, so if they'd have just asked me, I could have told them that I've never knowingly taken that drug
20:06in my life.
20:08There were drugs in my bloodstream.
20:10Yes, citalopram, codeine, morphine.
20:13Hang on, I've never taken citalopramine, whatever it is, my bloody life.
20:19So, a prescription, antidepressant?
20:22Never taken an antidepressant?
20:23Okay.
20:23Why didn't they tell me they found these things in my blood?
20:27Why did they tell me?
20:31To feel like you're not being believed.
20:34And then to find out they couldn't even be bothered to do their job properly.
20:42I can't explain to you
20:46how angry
20:50and brutalised
20:53and bewildered I feel.
20:59I would say that, um,
21:02based on just this conversation today,
21:04you might have grounds for a formal complaint.
21:07And if you like, I could give you the
21:09the details of who to take that to.
21:13And who would that be?
21:15It's a body called the IPCC.
21:18The Independent Police Complaints Commission.
21:22Yeah, I've heard about them.
21:25I work for a firm of solicitors.
21:29The IPCC, it's made up of ex-police officers, isn't it?
21:32Yeah.
21:34So the police market their own homework.
21:37I can tell you now they'll find that nobody did anything wrong.
21:53I can tell you now.
21:56I work for a firm of a work for a firm of the knives and 很
21:56to work for a firm of stakes.
21:57And what do I do?
21:59I focus to the firm of the markets.
22:00I begin to take a firm of the myself.
22:02It takes a firm of an of the peace to open the doors and members.
22:26Layla Mahmood.
22:52Gary Simons.
22:55Sorry.
23:03That's him.
23:13Sarah Adams.
23:16Sarah Adams.
23:33Oh, God, yeah, that's him.
23:50I was talking to Mrs Purvis today at my art class.
23:55She said her daughter's decided she wants to study law.
23:58She said she warned her it's going to take many years of hard work, but the girl seems
24:04adamant.
24:06She doesn't even want to take a gap year.
24:09She's going to start in September.
24:13Admirable, don't you think?
24:20I'm going to the garden center tomorrow, if you want to come, Layla, pick up a few pots
24:26for the garden.
24:27Vancia?
24:30No, I can't.
24:32Sorry.
24:32Sorry.
24:33To work on Saturdays.
24:38So how's things?
24:39Yeah, okay.
24:40Work?
24:41I may enjoy it rather than enjoy it.
24:43You still smoking?
24:46No, I've quit.
24:48I mean, very occasionally.
24:51I'm still trying to stop.
24:52Why?
24:53I'm just concerned about your health.
24:55Well, it's fine, isn't it?
24:56Yeah.
24:57Well, that's good.
24:57That's good.
24:59I just, I wanted to say I'm sorry.
25:03I saw the news.
25:05And I've read the papers.
25:07I'm sorry for not believing you.
25:18Jack, go back into the kitchen and get yourself a Snickers out of the fridge.
25:21Just go into the kitchen, just take whatever you want, but just eat it in there.
25:24Go on, mate.
25:32Sarah, I'm sorry.
25:34I got so sorry.
25:35I was in a room the other day.
25:39It was full of women waiting to do identity parades.
25:44It almost killed me.
25:48All these women who'd gone through what I went through.
25:52Who would have been spared if, if they'd only believed me.
25:58I mean, you can't believe yourself.
26:00Can't I?
26:02Did I try hard enough?
26:04Yeah, you did.
26:04I know you did.
26:05Just...
26:06Sorry.
26:12You know, my life's okay.
26:14I'm happy enough.
26:17Gavin's a nice guy and...
26:20We've got Lenny and I.
26:23I thank God every day for it.
26:28But I should have still been here, Connor.
26:31Living with you.
26:33Jack should have been living with his mum and dad.
26:38It should have been your wife.
26:40A love to you.
26:49That's how much this has fucked up my life.
26:56But thank you for your apology.
27:00I accept it.
27:05Jack!
27:09Uh...
27:10What's that?
27:13Come on.
27:18See you on Monday.
27:20See you later, mate.
27:44We're going to proceed in court with charges relating to 14 of the women he attacked.
27:4714.
27:50But there are loads more than that.
27:52The CPS want to keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
27:55They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
27:58I'm not entirely sure I agree, but...
28:01Okay.
28:02We want you to be one of the 14.
28:04And give evidence in court against war boys.
28:07Me?
28:08But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
28:10That doesn't matter.
28:12You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
28:14And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
28:17And crucially, you had a really good recollection of most of your journey home with him.
28:25And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence about knowing that you weren't drunk,
28:30she thought you'd been drugged, will also be helpful.
28:33So you want me to give evidence too?
28:55I see...
29:06Okay, so we've heard from the CPS.
29:09The plan is that 14 of the women are going to speak in court.
29:14But they won't be asking you to testify.
29:19Why?
29:20Well, the thing is, you...
29:21You didn't pick him out in the ID parade.
29:26It's been a long time, and he looked really different with me that night.
29:30And because so much evidence from your case has been lost...
29:33Fucking destroyed, in my opinion!
29:38It's about not giving the defence an opening, Sarah.
29:44That's hard.
29:46Because I wanted to look the bastard in the eye and tell everybody what he did to me.
29:51I wanted to have my moment in court.
29:56I wanted to look him in the eye and say,
29:58Yeah, I'm sending you to prison because that's where you belong.
30:02I know. I'm sorry, Sarah.
30:05Sometimes in these...
30:06These big cases, it's easy to overwhelm a jury.
30:10So the strategy is to...
30:12To stick to the offences where we've been able to collect the most comprehensive evidence.
30:19And 14, is that enough?
30:20Well, the CPS are confident...
30:23That this will give the trial judge enough ammunition to put him away for a long, long time.
30:33Mr. Warboys freely admits a good deal of the circumstances surrounding these events.
30:40For instance, he has always actively sought to engage female passengers in conversation in his taxicab.
30:48Banter, as he calls it.
30:50And he sometimes did this by telling them, falsely, that he had won money that night through gambling, and by
30:58showing them a bag filled with cash.
31:01But he says this was simply a conversation starter.
31:04And his objective was not sexual. It was simply female company.
31:09It was an icebreaker in that respect.
31:12He is adamant that any sexual contact between him and any woman in his taxi was consensual.
31:20That it was non-penetrative.
31:23And that it was initiated by those women.
31:31No, I don't remember feeling scared that night.
31:34You didn't feel threatened by Mr. Warboys?
31:36No, I actually thought he came across as sort of pathetic.
31:40Not some sort of predatory monster, just a normal taxi driver engaging in some banter with you.
31:47I actually think that harmless demeanor is what makes him so dangerous.
31:52Precisely because he puts you off guard as he hands over his drinks from the front.
31:56He's like a... a professional conman.
32:00It's clear, would you agree, that your daughter had been drinking that night?
32:04A few drinks, correct.
32:06So I put it to you that it's reasonable to assume that she was intoxicated?
32:11I've never seen her intoxicated.
32:14She rarely drinks alcohol.
32:16She was in distress.
32:18She was insensible.
32:20She was like a rag doll.
32:22There was something else in her system.
32:24She was vomiting continuously.
32:27You don't get like she was that night, just from a few drinks.
32:40I swear by Allah that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
32:46the truth.
32:52Two large glasses of red wine.
32:56Yes.
32:57And you drank those, and then you go to the toilet, and you are sick.
33:04Yes, I... I sometimes get nauseous when I'm on my period.
33:08But that was not going to deter you from your plans for that evening, and you went back to your
33:12friends and carried on as normal.
33:15In your statement, you say you then had two vodkas and lemonade.
33:20Yes.
33:22And did your drinking stop there?
33:24Or did you have rather more to drink that night than you've told us about?
33:29Not that I remember.
33:31Shortly after you got into his taxi, Mr Warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly.
33:37Maybe champagne, something like that.
33:40And you drank that, too?
33:44Yes.
33:45Why?
33:47Because he forced me to.
33:50He wouldn't take no for an answer.
33:52Oh, but he's driving. He's in the front of the cab.
33:54Yes, but he just... he kept persisting, and persisting, and persisting.
33:58But he can't actually force you to drink it, can he?
34:01Well, he forced me to take the pill.
34:02We'll come to that in a minute.
34:03My question to you is why you felt you had to drink that champagne when you were not obliged to.
34:12Because...
34:15He wouldn't take no for an answer.
34:18Or is the reality that he was being a very chatty and personable taxi driver, engaging in some banter with
34:24you?
34:25Who'd offered you a drink, and which you had accepted and drank perfectly happily?
34:30No.
34:32You say you remember him getting into the back of the cab with pills in his hand, and that he
34:38forced one into your mouth, right?
34:40Yes.
34:41And what are you doing to resist?
34:47Well, I'm...
34:49I'm trying to...
34:51move him away from me.
34:53So you were perfectly able to struggle and resist?
34:56Yeah.
34:57But you don't mention struggling and resisting in your police statement.
35:04Well...
35:05If it's not there...
35:06It's not there, but I was...
35:08I was feeling quite drowsy after he made me drink the champagne.
35:12And after the pill went down, your mind is pretty much straight away a blank thereafter.
35:19Yes.
35:20So we really are in the realms of almost instant unconsciousness.
35:27Yes, that's right.
35:28I...
35:28Well, I suggest to you that you'd already consumed a large amount of alcohol before you got in Mr. Warboy's
35:33taxi.
35:34And that he did not give you a pill or force it down your throat.
35:37Do you disagree with me?
35:39Yes.
35:40And you can't make up your mind whether you could or couldn't fight him off,
35:43or did or didn't have a lot to drink, or pretty much anything else that night because you were so
35:47intoxicated.
36:03Layla, I just want to thank you for giving evidence.
36:05I don't think there's any doubt he'll be found guilty.
36:09So you held up really well in there?
36:11Did you?
36:12Yeah.
36:13Yeah, that was tough.
36:16Layla, can I get you anything, a cup of tea?
36:17No, thanks. I'd just like to go home.
36:20I'm Debbie from the police press office.
36:22I just wondered if you'd consider waiving your anonymity and providing us with some media interviews.
36:27What?
36:28We just thought if someone could stand up, someone articulate like yourself,
36:32and talk about what had happened to you, this might encourage more women to come forward.
36:36No. No, I can't, I can't do that. I'm sorry.
36:40You've got the wrong person.
36:41Sorry.
36:58I'm Sarah.
36:59Oh, I know you.
37:01I've been through exactly what you've been through.
37:04Have you got time for a coffee?
37:06I wanted to punch that fucking barrister in his stupid face.
37:12And why is it okay for him to make out I'm a liar?
37:16He was going through every tiny thing in your statement in minute detail just trying to find some little thing
37:20to pick away at.
37:22Why is that still happening?
37:23I was raging too. Just watch it.
37:25What is the point of this farce? He's fucking guilty.
37:29You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police for the way they treated us.
37:33And with me there was so much stuff that they missed out in the first few weeks. It was just
37:37ridiculous.
37:38Yeah, but it's their own disciplinary people, isn't it? What's the point?
37:43I'm not talking about going through the IPCC. I want to make some proper noise.
37:47I'm looking into suing them.
37:49Suing?
37:51Yeah.
37:52There's a lawyer I've been put in touch with who might be prepared to take it on.
37:57She's called Harriet Wistrich. She's got a great reputation.
38:01But I can't do it by myself.
38:03I had a quick chat with her and she said it'd be a much stronger case if there was someone
38:07else who had been through the same thing.
38:09So you're asking, do I want to sue the police with you?
38:15Well, yeah.
38:17You don't have to make a decision.
38:19Yes.
38:20What?
38:21Yes.
38:22Let's do the bastards.
38:24Oh.
38:25Great.
38:27Yeah.
38:45You developed and perfected a web of deceit.
38:50That was sufficient to ensnare young, intelligent and sensible women who had enjoyed a night out and whose only mistake,
38:58as it turned out, was to get into your cab late at night.
39:03There is no doubt that you continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm through the commission of further
39:10offences.
39:11I therefore pass down on you an indeterminate sentence of imprisonment for public protection, with a minimum custodial term of
39:20eight years.
39:36I wouldn't worry about the eight years. As I understand it, the judge had to give a number, but a
39:42parole board still has to decide if it's safe to release him. And I can't see that happening.
39:47Eight years did spook me a bit.
39:50Yeah, he's not getting out.
39:52Anyway, Carrie, thanks for agreeing to do some interviews. I think if someone like yourself, someone so articulate can stand
39:59up, then it will encourage more women to come forward.
40:01I'm nervous, but if it gives others a voice, it seems like the right thing to do.
40:05Thanks again. I'll start to get some things set up, okay?
40:08Okay. Thanks, Carrie.
40:11What have you got to do?
40:12Well, just some interviews about what happened to me. They need someone to waive their anonymity and be a focal
40:17point.
40:17My goodness, do you think that's a good idea? You're so young. Do you want this hanging over you?
40:24Well, they said it's important that more people come forward.
40:29I'm just sick of us all being on the back foot, Mum.
40:35Could he really get out that soon? Because the thought of him ever being released terrifies me.
40:40Me too.
40:41Well, theoretically, yes. After eight years, he could apply for parole, but in order to do that, he'd first have
40:48to admit to what he's done.
40:49And his position has consistently been that he is totally innocent.
40:53Oh, it's not just a psycho. A thick psycho.
40:56So his position is 105 women have all just made it all up?
41:01It's up to 105 now.
41:02Well, I was told the actual number might be nearer 500.
41:06Is that correct?
41:07That's what the police said.
41:09So what do you think, Harriet?
41:11There's potentially hundreds of women out there who have suffered needlessly because the police didn't do their job properly.
41:16They shouldn't be allowed to get away with what they've done.
41:19Well, neither of you qualifies for legal aid, so you're asking me to take this on on a no-win,
41:24no-fee basis?
41:26I'm afraid we are, yeah.
41:29Okay.
41:30Firstly, the problem is you can't sue the police for negligence.
41:33Why not?
41:34The law states that if they could be sued, they wouldn't be able to do their jobs properly because they'd
41:38always be looking over the shoulder waiting for the next writ.
41:40It's just how the law is, I'm afraid.
41:44But my advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act and argue that the police's actions-
41:50Or inactions.
41:51For?
41:52Inactions.
41:53Infringed on your right to not be subjected to inhuman or degrading treatment.
41:57Well, that exactly describes what happened to us.
42:00Yes.
42:02The only problem is, is that it's never been done before.
42:05And, um, in your case, Sarah, there is a statute of limitations issue.
42:10You must take an action within one year, and it's been five years since the police investigated your case.
42:15And in your case, Leila, they could argue that, however ineffective their initial investigation was, they did ultimately arrest the
42:20correct man.
42:23Should we close the door on our way out, then?
42:24But, the first thing I would do, is I would contact the police, and declare our intentions.
42:30Now, they will jump up and down, tell us we don't have a legal leg to stand on, and that
42:33we're out of time.
42:34But, they will have to disclose to us, statements, and other evidence.
42:39And I'm betting, that will throw up some pretty interesting stuff.
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