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Hunting Bundy: Chase for the Devil - Season 1 - Episode 02: Rocky Mountain Murder Spree
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00:06I don't want another parent to go through what my wife and I went through.
00:12A Smith girl turned up missing in October the 18th at 74 in a small town south of Salt Lake.
00:21Jerry Thompson said Bundy was like a monster, that's how it viewed him.
00:31In 2024, the producers of this series came into possession of case files from the family of the late Salt
00:38Lake City detective Jerry Thompson,
00:41including never before seen crime scene photos, new Ted Bundy interviews and audio files from an historic meeting called the
00:51Aspen Summit,
00:51which all show how, in the 1970s, detectives from different states came together to solve one of the most heinous
01:00serial killer rampages in history.
01:04From January to July of 1974, the King County area was engulfed in a wave of fear as young women
01:10were being attacked and murdered with alarming regularity.
01:15It's the fall of 1974, and detectives in Seattle are searching for the man responsible for murdering eight women in
01:23the Pacific Northwest.
01:25I took it as a heavy responsibility. I wanted to find the guy before he killed more people.
01:32The man who was described as a smooth-talking man with his arm in a cast who asked several women
01:37to help him load a boat onto a Volkswagen.
01:40There was the name, Ted. There was the composite drawing. There was a beige VW bug.
01:47But when the murders there abruptly stop, only to start up again in Utah, detectives in three states, Washington, Oregon,
01:57and Utah are working blind, unaware of any connection.
02:02At the time, jurisdictions didn't always cooperate with each other. They didn't share.
02:09Back in Seattle, Ted Bundy is just one name among 200 potential suspects.
02:17But then Bundy makes a huge mistake, and a victim gets away.
02:24When Carol Durant escaped, we felt that they were on the verge of breaking this case wide open.
02:49After she broke loose, Mr. Ronch flagged down a passing car, and an elderly couple drove her to the Murray
02:55Police Station.
02:57When I first heard about the attack on Carol Durant, I was actually on vacation in Oregon, salmon fishing.
03:06Retired detective Paul Forbes was with the Murray City Police Department in the Salt Lake City metro area.
03:14My boss said, you're going to have to give up the extra five days. We need you to get home.
03:20So I made it back home as quickly as I could.
03:23Now safe from harm, Carol Durant recounts the horrific ordeal to Detective Forbes.
03:30Carol Durant said he had tried to handcuff her to the Volkswagen glove compartment.
03:36But by some stroke of luck, he accidentally gets both cuffs on the same wrist.
03:41So she is not chained to the car.
03:46She just ran into the street.
03:48She said, I don't know how I did it, but I was able to get away.
03:56She was hysterical and it was hard getting out of her what happened.
04:00This man had kidnapped her and was maybe going to hurt her.
04:07Tough little girl.
04:10So he's got a woman out there somewhere in Salt Lake City that has seen him, heard his voice, seen
04:17his car.
04:18And the only thing that he has going for him that November night is that she doesn't know his name.
04:23And at this point, no one is connecting this to all of the murdered and missing girls.
04:30I have spent many hours with Carol going through the mall, all of the areas where he had taken her
04:37before he got her finally in the car.
04:39Carol Durant describes her attacker as having a mustache and long hair past his ears.
04:45She noticed that he was wearing green pants, a blazer and shiny patent leather shoes.
04:52She also remembers that he's driving this ratty Volkswagen and that the back seat was torn up.
04:59We fell in the newsroom and maybe some police officers did too.
05:04They ought to be able to identify this guy before too long.
05:10But that very same night, another girl was snatched from a crowded high school theater just 20 miles away in
05:17the Salt Lake suburb of Bountiful.
05:20Immediately after Carol Durant gets away, a man approached 24-year-old drama teacher, Raylan Shepard, who was directing a
05:31musical at a high school in Bountiful that night.
05:34He was following her around before the play began, asking her to come out to the parking lot to help
05:42him.
05:44He did. That night, a close girl in the hall, in the lobby.
05:48Well, I'm helping his automobile. I'm going to start over checking something.
05:53And she's like, no, I'm busy. I've got stuff to do.
05:57He subsequently approached another woman at the drinking fountain and was more aggressive and more assertive about it.
06:03The second woman rebuffs the man's advances as well.
06:07I think he got a little frustrated that he wasn't able to use his ruse to get anyone to go
06:13with him.
06:15Deborah Kent was a 17-year-old high school student in Bountiful, Utah.
06:21She came from a big family. She was very popular. She was described as just a really sweet, kind person.
06:29That night, Deborah goes to see the school musical with her parents, while her little brother goes roller skating at
06:36a nearby rink.
06:41Debbie's father gave me the keys to his car to grab and get the car to go downtown and pick
06:45up a young brother.
06:47During the play's intermission, Debbie heads out of the theater to pick up her brother, but she never makes it
06:54to the car.
06:56It's not known exactly what happened in the parking lot.
07:00It seems possible that he just accosted her and grabbed her.
07:06Deborah Kent was never seen again.
07:09The next morning, Bountiful PD are searching the entire area, and one officer finds a handcuff key laying on the
07:18sidewalk.
07:20You've got something that shouldn't be there, and it could likely be from the man who was involved in her
07:25abduction.
07:27Bountiful investigators interview witnesses and learn that the man was seen leaving the auditorium, but then returned a short time
07:35later.
07:36When he was seen earlier, he was well-dressed, clean, neat, well-kept, well-groomed, very calm, very cool.
07:44At 10.30, which is about the time the play ended, the same people saw him again.
07:50Only now, he was very miserable, he was breathing hard, he was firing, he was just having a completely different
07:57appearance.
08:00My theory is that he realized that he had dropped the handcuff key, and if he couldn't find that handcuff
08:08key, they might be able to connect him to the Carol Durant's kidnapping.
08:15At this point, there are multiple young women missing or found murdered in the Salt Lake area.
08:20Melissa Smith in October, Laura Amy later that month, and now, Deborah Kent in early November.
08:29Carol Durant had barely escaped an abduction, and then, as if ripped from a horror movie, there's another grisly discovery.
08:49Right around Thanksgiving break, two Brigham Young University students were playing hooky, and they wanted to go for a hike
08:59in American Fork Canyon.
09:04American Fork was a beautiful canyon.
09:07It's just on the other side of the end of Salt Lake Valley.
09:11There was hikes that you could take up there.
09:16They were walking down just this trail that was kind of close to a stream.
09:30At the bottom of this embankment.
09:33And the girlfriend said,
09:35Oh my God, I think that's a dead girl.
09:38And they immediately went and notified police,
09:42who quickly identified it as being the body of Laura Amy.
09:49Laura Amy had been strangled, and she had blunt force trauma to her head from some kind of blunt object,
09:58which we would later find out was a crowbar.
10:05The body was dumped in amongst some logs just off of a road, a parking lot area up in American
10:11Fork Canyon.
10:12The body, a hoot.
10:21These are the EME photos.
10:39The 911 stocking cut on the neck, a chain, a necklace.
10:48The body was washed, the hair was washed, the shampoo smelled to it.
10:52The cause of death is either by strangulation or by a mass blow to the head.
10:59Sorry, that's heavy.
11:01Yeah.
11:03Take a minute.
11:08Laura Amy and Melissa Smith were both found nude and abandoned in remote canyons,
11:14beaten and then strangled.
11:17Jerry Thompson's boss, Pete Hayward,
11:19was one of the cops who realized these girls were likely killed by the same individual based on the similar
11:26M.O.,
11:27saying we got a real nut out there.
11:40A lot of these people took this case very personally.
11:45It was an attack on their towns, on their communities.
11:49You'd be hard-pressed to find a detective more invested than Mike Fisher of Colorado.
11:56He was working the Karen Campbell case,
11:58who would come with her boyfriend, Dr. Raymond Godowski, and his two children to Aspen, Colorado.
12:07Karen Campbell just wanted to have a nice vacation,
12:10and she was starting her life over.
12:13She had a new fiancé, and she was on a skiing trip that also happened to be a cardiology conference
12:21for her fiancé.
12:23It was supposed to be sort of a bonding trip for her to get to know these children before she
12:28married into the family.
12:29She had never been to Aspen before.
12:31She was from Dearborn, Michigan.
12:35Karen Campbell went to dinner the night of January 12th.
12:42She was walking with her fiancé, Raymond, his two kids, and their friend.
12:48She wanted to go back to her room to get a magazine.
12:51And so she walked through this complex, got on an elevator,
12:57and she never got to her room.
12:59The magazine was there.
13:00You know, the room wasn't open.
13:03She disappeared.
13:05And that's when Mike Fisher was called in.
13:10Mike Fisher was an investigator for Colorado with the attorney general.
13:15He was an investigator, really, for the state.
13:18At the time when he didn't have very many leads on the Karen Campbell disappearance,
13:24he was looking at every single hotel room,
13:27every single person who had checked in.
13:30He was comparing those hotel check-in lists
13:33to all the jurisdictions from where those people had originated
13:38to see if there were any priors.
13:40He was dogged, and he was chasing down every possible lead.
13:45His work was really extraordinary in piecing things together.
13:51Fisher became personally involved with the Karen Campbell case.
13:55I think that he felt offended that someone would come
14:00to his beautiful resort town
14:03just to be taken away from her family
14:06and this new life that she was trying to start.
14:12The night Karen disappeared.
14:14It snowed heavily, obscuring the roads and ditches,
14:18making the search for her body all but impossible.
14:29A month later, a passerby noticed driving down Owl Creek Road,
14:35which was at the time kind of a lonely, deserted road near Snowmass.
14:41They saw a flock of crows pecking at something
14:45and called police.
14:54It was her remains.
14:57It seemed that she had been just tossed over the guardrail
15:01and that when the snow plows had come through,
15:04they had covered her in snow.
15:11So hard to look at.
15:14Reports from Jerry Thompson's case files
15:17explain that coyotes had apparently consumed
15:20some of Karen Campbell's remains,
15:22making it impossible to determine if she had been strangled.
15:28I think the autopsy said blunt force trauma
15:32and exposure to the elements.
15:35They said that she may have been still barely alive
15:40and actually froze to death that night.
15:44Mike Fisher said that the DA said,
15:46Fish, you'll never find out who did this.
15:49You've got nothing to work with.
15:50And of course, Fisher chuckled at that.
15:53No, I'm going to find this guy.
16:02Just two weeks after Karen Campbell's remains are found,
16:06King County detectives in Washington get a big break,
16:10though a tragic one.
16:13A massive search was launched
16:15after the discovery of the skeletal remains
16:17of six women in the mountains east of Seattle.
16:20What do you got there, Bob?
16:22Just more bones so far.
16:24Jaw bones, as a matter of fact, aren't they?
16:26Well, one kind of looks like a jaw bone, yes.
16:29In March of 1975, forestry students were out surveying
16:35Taylor Mountain.
16:37They realized that they had discovered the dump site
16:40for the missing Pacific Northwest victims at that point.
16:44The word is that both you and Seattle police are proceeding on the assumption
16:48that there are more bodies out here.
16:51Well, that probably is.
16:54You get in that woods and you just don't know what's in there.
16:57It's so thick and so overgrown with bushes
17:00that you could find anything, you know, a couple hours from now or five minutes from now.
17:07It was heavy, fine maple,
17:10and as Bob Keppel was making his way through surveying the scene,
17:15he tripped and fell down.
17:18And as he looked up, he was looking at a skull.
17:23Up at Taylor Mountain, Linda Ann Healy, Susan Elaine Rancourt,
17:28Roberta Kathleen Parks, Brenda Ball.
17:31And then previously, in September, we identified Janice Ott and Denise Noslin.
17:36So there are six people definitely identified.
17:40We have found nothing but human remains,
17:42not one button, ring, so forth.
17:45The Taylor Mountain site shows detectives the same M.O. as the Issaquah site
17:50from the Lake Sammamish double murder.
17:53This was absolute proof that the same killer was responsible for all of these victims.
17:59It was urgency.
18:01You got to find this guy and stop the murders in the future.
18:05The victim tally balloons to 13 across the western U.S.,
18:10but detectives continue to toil in isolation.
18:14At the time, jurisdictions didn't always cooperate with each other.
18:18They didn't share.
18:20And that was a real detriment to law enforcement
18:23because they didn't realize these murders could all be connected.
18:29Law enforcement generally is distrusting of each other.
18:33And that's unfortunate that help, when most needed, gets ignored.
18:39The murders continue.
18:41In the span of just three months, three more young women are taken.
18:45Two in Colorado and one in Idaho.
18:49To this day, none of their remains have ever been found.
18:53For every victim he left behind,
18:56he left behind families that were tortured by the death of a loved one.
19:02It's like you drop a pebble into a pond,
19:06and the waves and the ripples just go out farther and farther.
19:26The night of August 16th, 1975,
19:30there was a Utah highway patrolman named Bob Hayward
19:33who lived in Granger, which is now West Valley City, Utah,
19:37a suburb of Salt Lake City.
19:40He was just getting off of his shift,
19:44and he noticed a VW bug
19:49with its lights off driving past him.
19:52He thought, that's a little odd.
19:54I know everybody in this neighborhood,
19:56and I don't know this car,
19:58and driving around at three in the morning.
20:01Later, he's filling out paperwork,
20:04and he gets a call he needs to respond to.
20:11He later said that he took a wrong turn driving out of his neighborhood,
20:16and if he hadn't taken this exact turn at this exact time,
20:20he wouldn't have seen that same VW bug
20:23parked with its lights off
20:26outside a house one block from where he lived.
20:31They had a lot of burglars in the area.
20:34He was suspicious of this guy immediately,
20:35but instead of letting him come over and talk to him,
20:39Bundy freaked out and took off.
20:43So the VW zoomed away.
20:45It's a great term.
20:46I love to use it.
20:47Then Bundy rabbited,
20:48so the chase was on.
21:00Bundy ran through a couple of stop signs,
21:03but he's driving this little big VW.
21:06He couldn't get away from him.
21:10So Bundy finally pulls over outside of this gas station,
21:17gets out of the car.
21:25Hayward opens his door and tells him to stop right there.
21:30Bundy says,
21:31well, what's the problem, officer?
21:33So Hayward goes over to Bundy,
21:35has him identify himself,
21:37said, I need to see your license.
21:38Bundy goes back in his car and gets it.
21:41He read his name out,
21:43Theodore Robert Bundy.
21:45Hayward didn't like him.
21:46He was dressed all in black,
21:49found sitting in front of this house,
21:51and he knew the people that lived in that house
21:54had two young daughters, teenage girls,
21:56and their parents were out of town.
21:58He knew that those girls would be asleep,
22:00and he didn't like that this man
22:01was parked outside of the house.
22:04The passenger seat is removed,
22:06and on the back seat,
22:07first thing he sees was
22:09the brown gym bag
22:11has stuff spilling out of it.
22:13In the open bag,
22:15Hayward sees a crowbar
22:16and other tools commonly used
22:18to commit burglaries.
22:20So Bundy gives him permission
22:22to search the car.
22:26Bundy started telling him
22:27about how he was a law student
22:28at the U.
22:30I was just driving around,
22:32you know,
22:32it was a different part of town,
22:33I'm just exploring.
22:35He was just lost in the neighborhood.
22:37He also said that he had seen
22:38a movie at a drive-in.
22:40Hayward said,
22:41oh yeah,
22:42what movie did you see?
22:43Ted goes,
22:43uh,
22:44the towering Inferno.
22:49And he thought to himself,
22:50that's not true,
22:50because I know exactly
22:52what's playing
22:52at that movie theater,
22:54and it was a trio of westerns
22:56that night.
22:56It was not the towering Inferno.
22:59So his credibility
23:01started to decay.
23:02He knew he was lying,
23:04but he didn't understand
23:05why he was there.
23:06He thought maybe he was planning
23:08on burglarizing some houses.
23:13They searched his car.
23:14They found a crowbar,
23:17trash bags,
23:18rope.
23:19An ice pick.
23:20There were a pair of handcuffs.
23:21And a ski mask.
23:24Not the kind of thing
23:25that you would usually find
23:26in a regular person's car.
23:30These seem like
23:31burglary tools.
23:36So he asks him
23:37about the various things,
23:38and he says,
23:38oh,
23:39they're just commonplace items.
23:41What about the handcuffs?
23:43I found them somewhere,
23:44and, you know,
23:45in someone's trash.
23:48Not only was Hayward
23:49going to charge him
23:51with evading a police officer,
23:53he was going to also charge him
23:55with burglary tools.
23:57Of course,
23:57he knew that this is more
23:58than burglary tools.
23:59It's got stuff in there
24:00for tying people up.
24:04I'm a criminal defense attorney,
24:06and I've tried over 300 cases.
24:09Lots of circumstantial evidence
24:10is the most difficult kind of case
24:13for a defense lawyer.
24:15Because you can explain in a way
24:16and say,
24:17well,
24:17I had the ice pick in there
24:19because I went to a kegger.
24:21But the nylon mask
24:23with the eyes,
24:25you know,
24:26and after three or four of them,
24:29everything becomes unbelievable.
24:32It appears the man
24:33they've arrested
24:34is planning to burglarize houses.
24:37But it doesn't make sense
24:38that he's a law student.
24:40He has no criminal record.
24:42We want to find out more
24:43about this guy.
24:44We're not just going to let him off.
24:47So they brought him down
24:48to the police station
24:49and booked him,
24:51fingerprinted him,
24:52and then let him go on bail.
24:59A few days later,
25:01there was a meeting
25:02of several of the detectives,
25:06sergeants,
25:07at the Salt Lake County Sheriff.
25:09They would meet every Tuesday
25:10and they would discuss
25:12what's going on
25:13in their county
25:14to see if anything
25:16would link up
25:17to something else.
25:18The Utah sheriff said,
25:20hey,
25:21I arrested this guy
25:22whose name is Ted.
25:24He had handcuffs
25:26and a crowbar
25:27in his car.
25:28And Jerry Thompson was there.
25:31One of the detectives mentioned
25:32that Bundy was the strangest guy
25:34he'd ever met.
25:35I remember Thompson said,
25:37once his name was mentioned,
25:38something went off
25:39in my mind
25:39and I thought,
25:40wait a minute,
25:41I know that name.
25:45And he said,
25:46I went back to my office
25:50and sure enough,
25:54there was the information
25:55on Bundy.
25:58Jerry Thompson remembers
25:59the Seattle tip
26:00he received months earlier
26:01after Bundy's girlfriend,
26:03Liz,
26:04came forward
26:04with her suspicions
26:06about Ted.
26:07He was very,
26:08very interested
26:09in this guy
26:10from the moment
26:10he heard about him
26:11because he drove
26:12a Volkswagen.
26:14He had handcuffs
26:15in the car.
26:17And so these things
26:18started coming back
26:20to his mind
26:20about Carol Durant.
26:22In a flash,
26:23the attempted kidnapping
26:25of Carol Durant
26:26and her statement
26:27to police
26:28to connect Ted Bundy
26:29as a possible suspect
26:31in all of the disappearances
26:33and murders
26:33over the past 18 months.
26:36That was a brilliant piece
26:38of intuitive police work.
26:39I mean,
26:40that's a big turn
26:41in this whole case.
26:43I got a call
26:44from the Salt Lake County Sheriff
26:46who said,
26:46I stopped a guy
26:49in a car
26:50that matched
26:50the description.
26:51I think he might
26:53be your guy.
26:54According to
26:55Detective Thompson's files,
26:57Ted Bundy truly
26:58came to light
26:59in his eyes
27:00with the burglary tools arrest.
27:02Thompson thought
27:03Bundy's explanation
27:04for the items
27:05was very poor.
27:07Jerry Thompson
27:09can't get over
27:10the similarities
27:10between all the cases
27:12and was determined
27:15to catch this killer.
27:20So they're talking
27:21to Bundy
27:22about the burglary tools charge
27:24and they're saying,
27:26you know,
27:26we'd really like
27:27to clear you of this.
27:29Is there a way
27:29that you could,
27:30you know,
27:31let us search
27:31your apartment
27:32and we can make sure
27:34that, you know,
27:35you're not associated
27:36with these other cases?
27:38And he says,
27:39sure,
27:40search my apartment.
27:41I'll sign a waiver.
27:43Jerry Thompson was there.
27:45Other detectives
27:47were there
27:47and a couple
27:48patrol officers
27:49who sat on either
27:50side of the couch
27:51while Bundy
27:52had to sit there
27:53and chatter away
27:54for a while.
27:55Thompson said
27:56he couldn't shut his mouth.
27:57He chattered
27:57like a magpie.
28:01Jerry was a long-time
28:03friend of mine.
28:04He was an aggressive guy
28:06when we worked together.
28:07He was very tenacious
28:09about his job
28:10as I was myself.
28:13We were doing
28:15a thorough search
28:16of Bundy's apartment
28:16and looking for anything
28:18that could place him
28:19anywhere
28:20in hopes that we could
28:22bring more charges
28:24against him.
28:26When they were
28:27searching his apartment,
28:28they thought it was
28:30oddly clean
28:32and very, very well organized.
28:35They uncovered
28:36some things there
28:37that turned out
28:39to be significant
28:40to the case.
28:43Detectives found
28:45a bill
28:46for a Chevron
28:46gas card
28:48which tipped him off
28:49to the fact
28:49that Ted had
28:51gas receipts
28:52that they would be able
28:53to subpoena eventually.
28:56Jerry also noticed
28:58in his closet
28:59a pair of shiny
29:00patent leather shoes.
29:03Detective Thompson
29:04recalled that
29:05Carol Durant
29:05had said
29:06her attacker
29:06was wearing
29:07black patent
29:08leather shoes.
29:11He also finds
29:12other possibly
29:13incriminating items
29:14in Bundy's apartment
29:15including a brochure
29:17for the recreation
29:18center in Bountiful,
29:19the Salt Lake City
29:20suburb
29:21where Deborah Kent
29:22had vanished
29:22nine months earlier.
29:24He also asked him
29:25if he'd ever been
29:26to Bountiful.
29:27He said,
29:27oh, I've driven through.
29:29So this is
29:30from Constance Files.
29:32Oh, cool.
29:35I've never seen
29:36this before.
29:37This is
29:39the original
29:40Bountiful Recreation
29:42Center
29:42pamphlet
29:43that was
29:46confiscated
29:47from Ted Bundy's
29:48apartment
29:49on the avenues.
29:52I'm glad
29:53you're allowing me
29:54to see this
29:54because I've never
29:55seen this.
29:56Hmm,
29:57isn't that something?
29:59Oh, my God.
30:05I don't think
30:06I've ever touched
30:07something he touched.
30:08I've sort of wondered
30:09about keeping
30:09these things
30:10that were sort of
30:11souvenirs
30:11that allowed him
30:12at some level
30:14to kind of
30:14relive
30:15and revisit.
30:16They became
30:17almost sacred objects
30:19in this narrative
30:19of death
30:20that he was spinning
30:21and yet
30:22they were
30:22hugely incriminating.
30:24I think he was
30:26considering
30:26each murder
30:27a trophy.
30:30They found
30:31ski guides
30:31for Colorado.
30:33He asked
30:34Ted at the time
30:35if he'd ever
30:36been to Colorado
30:36and he said no,
30:37which was strange
30:38because he had
30:39these things
30:40in his house.
30:46Earlier in
30:47the questioning
30:48that he denied
30:48being in Colorado
30:49at all,
30:50did he think?
30:51Yeah,
30:51it was his first
30:52statement on
30:52Wendy's apartment.
30:53He said,
30:54that's one state
30:54I've never been in.
30:55Part of circumstantial
30:57evidence is
30:57lying to the police
30:59about things
30:59that you know
31:00you're going
31:00to get caught for.
31:02Ted was a sociopath
31:03and sociopaths
31:05think that
31:05they can control
31:06everything.
31:08I think he did
31:09actually believe
31:09that he was
31:11smarter than they were.
31:15Inside the ski guide,
31:17Bundy had taken
31:18and placed an X
31:19beside the complex
31:21in Snowmass,
31:22the Wildwood Inn.
31:25when Jerry Thompson
31:26called Mike Fisher
31:28and he told them
31:30where the X was.
31:31This is Fisher's
31:32exact words.
31:34You're shitting me,
31:35Jerry.
31:35That's where our girl,
31:37Karen Campbell,
31:38went out.
31:40Gotta be the same guy.
31:42Gotta be.
31:43And of course,
31:43from that point forward,
31:44Fisher knew,
31:45I like Thompson.
31:48They knew
31:50this was the guy.
31:55But of course,
31:56knowing it
31:57is one thing.
31:59Proving it
32:00is something else.
32:01Something far
32:02more difficult.
32:06Before leaving
32:08Bundy's boarding house,
32:09Thompson and Forbes
32:10want to search his car
32:11for more evidence
32:12to bolster
32:13the Carol Durant's
32:14kidnapping case.
32:17When I went
32:18through the park
32:19and I also asked him
32:21if I could look
32:21at his car,
32:23he stated,
32:24sure,
32:24there's no problems.
32:25It was down in the back.
32:27And I asked him then
32:28if I could take
32:29some pictures of the car,
32:30which he had no objection.
32:32At which point,
32:33Thompson goes back
32:34to the little parking lot
32:36outside of Ted's house
32:37and photographs
32:38his VW.
32:45He never asked
32:46why,
32:47what for,
32:47or anything else
32:48without it.
32:49Because he already
32:50knows what we're
32:51there for.
32:53That's why
32:53he didn't say anything.
32:55In taking the pictures
32:56of the Volkswagen,
32:58I noticed
32:59the back seat
33:00on the top
33:00had a chair,
33:01almost the whole
33:02length of it,
33:03which matched
33:04the description
33:06from a girl
33:07who was calling
33:07stuck in the back
33:08being horned.
33:11His comment then
33:12I thought was
33:12very unusual.
33:13He says,
33:14Jerry,
33:14you do a pretty good job.
33:16And I asked him,
33:17well,
33:18I think I do a damn good job.
33:19And he says,
33:20now you've got a straw
33:21and you're trying
33:22to fill up the broom
33:23and keep going
33:23on the stage.
33:24And I think
33:25he would not
33:26elaborate any further
33:27on his comment.
33:29Yeah,
33:30he must have said
33:30that to me
33:31six or eight times.
33:33And I said,
33:34I've already made
33:34the broom
33:35and you're holding it.
33:37Arrogant prick.
33:39He then bailed
33:41out of jail
33:42on this charge.
33:47While Bundy
33:48is out on bail
33:48for the burglary
33:49tools arrest,
33:51Jerry Thompson
33:51continues investigating
33:53him for the
33:53Carol Durant's
33:54kidnapping.
33:55Thompson goes
33:56to the University
33:57of Utah campus
33:58to speak
33:59with Bundy's
33:59professors,
34:00but he realizes
34:02that Bundy
34:02is stalking him.
34:05During the investigation
34:06through the law
34:07school up there,
34:09he followed me
34:10around numerous times
34:11which I wouldn't
34:12worry if he'd
34:12follow me.
34:13Going to different
34:14professions.
34:16It seemed
34:17each time
34:17that he made it
34:18a point that I knew
34:19he was behind me,
34:20he would run
34:21over to me,
34:22holler at me,
34:23shake my hand,
34:24tell me I was
34:25doing a hell of a
34:26nice job,
34:26but I was getting
34:27tired and I looked
34:28like I needed
34:28rest.
34:29He was sorry
34:30that he worked
34:30so hard,
34:31but after all
34:32I got paid for
34:33it, he didn't.
34:34He enjoyed
34:35the chase,
34:37he enjoyed
34:37the capture,
34:38and he enjoyed
34:39the finish.
34:41All steps,
34:42he enjoyed
34:42the whole thing.
34:44It was part
34:45of the narcissism,
34:46I think.
34:47He just couldn't
34:48help himself.
34:49He just loved
34:50being the center
34:51of attention.
34:53Jerry Thompson
34:54visited Carol
34:56Durant at her
34:56place of work,
34:57and he brought
34:58with him
35:00pictures of
35:00Bundy's DW,
35:02as well as
35:03a number of
35:04photographs of
35:05men from
35:06the lineup.
35:07And she looked
35:08at them and
35:08laid them over
35:09one after another,
35:11but she put
35:11one on her leg,
35:13and she said,
35:15well, I don't
35:15see anybody here.
35:16He said, well,
35:17what about the
35:18one you're
35:18holding on to?
35:19She said, yeah,
35:20that does look
35:21kind of like him.
35:23On September
35:2410th,
35:25investigators put
35:26Ted Bundy
35:27under surveillance.
35:30this surveillance
35:31started on
35:329-10-75,
35:35and we ran it
35:36for approximately
35:36four or five days
35:38on the individual.
35:42He would be
35:43working on the
35:44car, the VW,
35:45and he was
35:46actively replacing
35:47parts of the car,
35:49washing it out,
35:51sanding down
35:52the rust spots,
35:53changing the
35:53appearance of the
35:54car, and he knew
35:55they were watching
35:56him and couldn't
35:57do anything about
35:57it.
35:58At this time,
35:59the car had
36:00been changed.
36:01The seat no
36:03longer had a
36:04care in it.
36:05The hubcaps are
36:06different.
36:08The Volkswagen
36:09never had a
36:10front bumper or
36:11lice plate on
36:11it, but now it
36:14had a bumper on
36:14it, and a
36:15lice plate on
36:16it.
36:18The surveillance
36:19on Bundy
36:20unnerved him.
36:22According to
36:23the surveillance
36:23reports, Bundy
36:25would constantly
36:26come out from
36:26under his
36:27Volkswagen, look
36:28up and down
36:29the street, and
36:30then go back to
36:31working on the
36:32car's bumper.
36:34They're following
36:35him around.
36:36They're watching
36:37his house to
36:38the point where
36:38his neighbors are
36:40getting a little
36:41upset.
36:42Some of them
36:43are smoking weed,
36:44and they don't
36:45like the cops
36:46hanging around
36:46their house.
36:48His neighbor
36:48knocked on Ted's
36:49door, and it
36:51was partially open
36:52until he walked
36:53in, and Ted was
36:53drunk sitting on
36:55his couch, and
36:56he said, Ted, I
36:58want to know
36:58what's going on.
37:01And Ted said,
37:03oh, the girls.
37:05I'm caught.
37:06It's because of
37:07all the girls.
37:09And he said,
37:10what do you
37:11mean?
37:12And Ted said,
37:13never mind.
37:13Never mind.
37:23In September of
37:241975, Detective
37:27Jerry Thompson
37:28knows he doesn't
37:28have enough evidence
37:29for a prosecutor to
37:31charge Ted Bundy
37:32with murder.
37:33So he flies to
37:34Seattle, hoping to
37:35convince Bundy's
37:36girlfriend, Liz, to
37:38talk to him.
37:39On three different
37:40occasions on this
37:41trip, Thompson
37:42interviewed Liz
37:43about what she
37:44knew about Bundy,
37:45what she knew
37:45about the murder
37:46kit.
37:48Maybe I shouldn't
37:49do this.
37:50I have a picture
37:51here of all the
37:53items that we took
37:54from his car.
38:02I will let you
38:03look at them
38:03first.
38:05And this is,
38:07there is cord and
38:08rope.
38:09It's the handcuffs,
38:10it's the punch,
38:11the gloves,
38:12the ski mask.
38:13This is a pair of
38:14women's nylon pantyhose
38:16with eye holes
38:18and a mouth
38:19cut out.
38:20It's the flashlight
38:21and it's the
38:22crowbar.
38:24Have you ever seen
38:25what's in that gym
38:25bag?
38:28No,
38:29she's empty.
38:31She's way
38:31bit crying there,
38:32isn't she?
38:33It sounds like she's
38:34crying.
38:34Do you hear that?
38:35I hear sniffles
38:37like she's,
38:38like she's
38:39emotional.
38:41Very highly
38:42unusual,
38:43would you say,
38:44that any man
38:45would have these
38:45things other than
38:47for what reason?
38:48An armed robber,
38:49maybe?
38:50The handcuffs,
38:52the rope bindings,
38:53what would you
38:54surmise they might
38:55be in a person's
38:56possession for?
38:59To tie somebody
39:00up, I would assume.
39:02I don't buy his
39:03explanation for them.
39:05He's leaning or
39:05he's very good.
39:07The nylon pantyhose,
39:09he had an explanation
39:10that he put them
39:12on to keep his ears
39:14and his face warm
39:15when he was skiing.
39:16I said,
39:17you don't ski in
39:18August.
39:19What about the ice
39:19cake?
39:20I can't answer that
39:21either.
39:21What did he say?
39:23It was just a
39:24house tool.
39:25And there was
39:26another,
39:27a tire iron.
39:30he left my house
39:32right at night
39:32and then he came
39:33back to get that.
39:35And he looked
39:36really sick,
39:37you know,
39:37like he was
39:37hiding something.
39:38And I said,
39:38what have you got
39:39in your pocket?
39:40And he wouldn't
39:41show me.
39:41I reached and
39:42grabbed a surgical
39:43glove.
39:45Weird.
39:47She was expecting
39:49an explanation.
39:50He walks down
39:51the steps
39:51and gets in
39:51the car
39:52and leaves
39:53and never
39:53says a word.
39:57I've wondered,
39:58I read in the
39:58paper long ago
40:00that there was
40:00a girl in Salt Lake
40:02had gotten away
40:03that the guy
40:04tried to hang up
40:05with me both
40:05things or something.
40:06I wondered
40:07if you had shown
40:08his container
40:11Yes.
40:14You put me
40:15on the spot,
40:15don't you?
40:18I can't tell you,
40:19Liv.
40:25She was really
40:26hoping that his
40:27answer would be,
40:28no, she wasn't
40:29able to identify him.
40:31She was still
40:32at this point
40:33very much hoping
40:34that he was
40:35innocent and
40:36anything she said
40:36would be able
40:37to exclude him.
40:39After the interview,
40:41Jerry Thompson
40:41obtains a warrant
40:42for Bunny to appear
40:43in a lineup
40:44for Carol Durant,
40:45as well as
40:46two witnesses
40:47from the Deborah
40:48Kent disappearance.
40:50He's hoping
40:50they'll be able
40:51to identify Ted.
40:53Thompson delivers
40:54this court order
40:55to Bundy's apartment
40:56himself.
40:57He had just
40:58got out of the shower
40:59and stained the door
41:00with a towel.
41:02I confronted him
41:03with the paper
41:04not telling him
41:05what it was
41:06and I thought
41:07he was going
41:08to cash out.
41:10And he must
41:11have thought
41:11he was about
41:12to be arrested
41:12for one of these
41:13murders
41:14because Thompson
41:15later told me
41:16we could see
41:17his heart beating
41:18out of his chest.
41:20And I said,
41:21are you all right?
41:21He says,
41:22I'm fine.
41:23When I handed him
41:24the paper
41:24and he read it
41:25and he says,
41:26oh, well,
41:26if that's all,
41:27there's going to be
41:27no problem.
41:28I'll be there.
41:29He looked at the papers
41:30and he was like,
41:30oh, it's just a lineup.
41:33He thought at that point
41:34that he could still
41:35get away with it.
41:38Detectives were taking
41:39a big risk
41:39with the lineup.
41:41All it takes
41:41is for these people
41:42to say,
41:43no, he's not the guy.
41:45And if that were
41:45to happen,
41:50Bundy would walk.
41:54And so the next day
41:56when he came in there,
41:59Thompson's heart
42:00was in his throat
42:00because he thought,
42:02she's going to
42:03misidentify him.
42:04His hair's
42:05completely different.
42:08The man who walked in
42:10was clean-shaven,
42:12no mustache,
42:14short hair,
42:15and the hair
42:16was parted
42:17on a different side.
42:19What the detectives
42:20don't know
42:20is that
42:21the day before,
42:23Bundy goes to
42:23a barbershop,
42:25cuts his hair
42:26really short
42:26and parts it
42:27on the other side.
42:30He was convinced
42:32that he could
42:33do things so well
42:34that they would
42:35never actually
42:35pick him out.
42:37He thought that
42:38they wouldn't be able
42:39to identify him.
42:41Carol Durand
42:42instantly picked him
42:44right out of the bunch
42:45and said,
42:46that's the gentleman.
42:48He didn't take her
42:49any time at all.
42:51That's all detectives
42:53need to arrest
42:54Bundy for kidnapping,
42:55and they throw him
42:56in the Salt Lake
42:57County Jail.
42:59Later on that day,
43:01I confronted him
43:02in the jail
43:03and told him
43:04that he was under arrest
43:05or attempted
43:05to kidnap,
43:06attempted criminal
43:07homicide.
43:08The man at that time
43:09seemed to breathe easy.
43:11His comment was all
43:13hell or symptoms
43:14is that all?
43:15And he seemed
43:16from that point on
43:17a very reliant
43:18in the video.
43:19I'm sure he's
43:20starting to panic
43:21a little bit
43:21at this point.
43:22He was very good
43:23at concealing it,
43:24at least in public view.
43:25It wasn't me.
43:26I didn't do it,
43:27and on and on and on.
43:29They're not reliable.
43:30They're just guessing.
43:32And I just let him ramble.
43:34I didn't even answer him.
43:35I was just smiling inside.
43:37Knew we had him,
43:38and there was nothing
43:39he was going to change.
43:41It meant that Bundy,
43:42now,
43:43instead of being the hunter,
43:44he was being the hunted.
43:46Because this wasn't
43:47about burglary tools,
43:48or this wasn't
43:49about evading police.
43:51This was about
43:52kidnapping Carol DeRanche,
43:53and also already
43:56being suspected
43:57in all the other
43:58missing women.
44:01When the news
44:02hits the press
44:03that Ted Bundy
44:04has been arrested
44:04for the kidnapping
44:05of Carol DeRanche
44:06in Salt Lake City,
44:08the media back in Seattle
44:09catch on that
44:10Utah Ted
44:11could also be
44:13Seattle Ted.
44:14Is Utah Ted
44:17Seattle Ted?
44:19Oh, that was
44:19headline
44:20top of the fold.
44:22And, of course,
44:23then the media
44:23really goes wild.
44:24Bundy once lived
44:25in both Seattle
44:26and Tacoma.
44:27He's charged
44:28in Salt Lake City
44:28with aggravated
44:29kidnap
44:30and attempted murder.
44:31Once Bundy
44:32was arrested
44:33and was on their radar,
44:34they let
44:35Washington State
44:36know it.
44:37But through all
44:38the excitement
44:39of the Salt Lake City
44:40arrest,
44:40there's one man
44:41here in Seattle
44:41who's not at all
44:42excited.
44:43He is Captain
44:44Nick Mackey.
44:45Jeannie,
44:46the reason Captain
44:47Nick Mackey
44:47says he's not excited
44:48is simple.
44:49He says Ted Bundy
44:50is not a prime suspect
44:51in the murder
44:52of the Seattle women.
44:53The media are the ones
44:54that are making him
44:55the prime suspect.
44:56We are not.
44:58They thought,
44:58well, this man
44:59has no criminal record
45:01whatsoever.
45:02He's a student.
45:03He's in law school.
45:05He has a college degree
45:07that he received
45:09with honors.
45:10He's clean cut,
45:11charismatic.
45:12The governor
45:13of Washington
45:14wrote him
45:15a letter of recommendation
45:16to law school
45:17extolling the virtues
45:19of Ted Bundy.
45:20There was no reason
45:21to think someone
45:22like that
45:23could be connected
45:24to these sorts
45:25of crimes.
45:26We have
45:28quite a few
45:29people
45:30that look
45:31very good
45:32and it's surprising
45:34that you get
45:34onto one person
45:35and people tend
45:37to make
45:37their suspect
45:39fit
45:40all the aspects
45:42of Ted.
45:43Everything we heard
45:44was that
45:45he was
45:46God's gift
45:47to women
45:48and the community
45:49and that
45:50we were way off base.
45:51The photograph
45:52of Ted Bundy
45:53was shown
45:53to at least
45:54eight witnesses
45:55from Lake Sammamish.
45:56Seven positively
45:58said Ted Bundy
45:59was not
45:59the mysterious Ted.
46:01One said
46:02he looked
46:02something like
46:03the man.
46:04Mackey added
46:04that the pictures
46:05of Ted Bundy
46:06so far
46:06have produced
46:07no results
46:08when showed
46:08to the witnesses
46:09and he said
46:10he has no plans
46:11to send any
46:11county detectives
46:12up to Salt Lake City.
46:14But in Colorado
46:15Mike Fisher
46:16looked at it
46:17thinking
46:17no that's not enough
46:18I need to get
46:19a murder warrant
46:20placed against this guy.
46:22We believe
46:22it's Bundy
46:23how are we
46:24going to make
46:25it stick to him?
46:31Next
46:32on Hunting Bundy
46:33We have asked
46:34Ted to come up
46:35here today
46:35to talk to him
46:36in regards
46:37to numerous
46:38homicides.
46:40Ted
46:40have you ever
46:41committed murder?
46:42Who's the answer
46:43to that?
46:45Convicted kidnapper
46:46Theodore Bundy
46:47has escaped
46:48from jail
46:48in Colorado.
46:49Now how did he
46:50get out of the cell
46:51sir?
46:51Well they
46:52tore a light
46:53fixture out
46:54of there
46:54years ago.
46:55He just went
46:56out through there.
46:57The monster
46:58has been set
46:59free again.
47:01The monster
47:08was the killer
47:10of the
47:10the
47:10one
47:11who
47:11killed
47:11a
47:11another
47:11and
47:18he
47:19died
47:30the
47:30who's the
47:30who's the
47:30who's the
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