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Believe Me Season 1 Episode 3
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00:01Therefore, I do have to tell you that our investigation is being closed down.
00:05It just, it feels like you don't believe me.
00:07So this taxi driver offers you a drink and you take it?
00:10He was taking me home for a fiver. I mean, it's difficult to keep saying no.
00:14The taxi driver pushed this tablet in my mouth.
00:17If he did assault you, then it would be extremely unlikely for him to drive you home.
00:21His cab would be identified on university CCTV.
00:24They're asking how you want this designated as a crime.
00:26Just tell them not known at present.
00:30Because quite some time has passed, the substance you were given may not be present anymore in your blood.
00:36So how many times you've been out with this guy then?
00:38Four?
00:39I'm pretty serious.
00:40Yeah, I like him.
00:42I have been informed, my love, that the Crown Prosecution Service has declined to proceed with any charges.
00:48If you would like to come and collect your clothing and possessions, I can arrange for somebody to hand them
00:52over to you.
00:53You're going to need to hang on to them because one day you're going to need them as evidence when
00:55you realise you were wrong about me.
01:00I'd like to report a rape.
01:01He's a black cab driver.
01:02That's four attacks.
01:04And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:11You're going to need to stay.
01:11He's a black man…
01:11Over there, there's a new hat one.
01:13You see Mummy.
01:16Mummy, yeah.
01:17Who's that?
01:18Mummy!
01:19Hello Sweetheart, look at that balloon.
01:22Do you want that?
01:25Will I say hello to your baby brother?
01:27This is Lenny.
01:28Hello, Lenny. Can I touch him?
01:30Of course you can touch him again.
01:32Good boy.
01:35Oh, big grunts.
01:38How's it feel, Daddy?
01:41I can't believe it.
01:43What do you think?
01:44It's pretty.
01:45It's pretty. It's very pretty.
01:47You're amazing.
01:49How are you?
01:50Yeah, my back's killing me.
01:52Leaking look all over the place, but happy.
01:54Hey, what do you think?
01:57I think it's lovely, Peter.
02:0530 grand!
02:06On a scratch card!
02:08I couldn't believe it!
02:10I mean, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
02:14Uh, no.
02:15Never.
02:17Congratulations.
02:18Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
02:25Cheers.
02:37No, no, I'm an idiot, really.
02:39You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, don't you?
02:42You win money as big as that, but, like, I'm driving, aren't I?
02:45I just didn't think.
02:47I was so excited.
02:49What am I like?
02:56So, how broad-minded are you, then?
03:00You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
03:05What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
03:07Can you let me out, please?
03:12Look, would you say...
03:15Give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
03:17Like, you know, like, say five grand.
03:19Would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
03:22Look, I've texted my husband.
03:23He'll be waiting for me.
03:25Yeah, you're a gorgeous living girl.
03:27I'd love to have sex with you.
03:29I want to make a few quid on the side.
03:30Let me out.
03:31I'm going to...
03:32Think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
03:33Let me out!
03:35Hey!
03:37That's my husband.
03:38Let me out.
03:40Open it!
03:47It's really wasted my fucking size tonight!
03:52My team has now taken over this investigation.
03:55And the number of attacks we are investigating has now risen to five.
03:59After further searches of our database revealed
04:01another possibly linked sexual assault in June 2005.
04:06So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning
04:10with the object of making the women of London aware
04:13that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there
04:17driving a black cab.
04:18Why has a link between all these attacks only just been made?
04:21Or from what you've just told me,
04:23he's been doing this for a minimum of three years.
04:25So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
04:28Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
04:31The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
04:35Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then, could they?
04:38Not if this was missed for three years.
04:41We're doing all we can.
04:43One other question, why Friday?
04:47Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
04:50Plans have to be put in place.
04:52What about other girls going out in London tonight?
04:55They're in danger too, aren't they?
05:22No, no, no, no, no, no.
05:23Stop it.
05:24You stay there in there.
05:25Hmm?
05:28What are you doing?
05:55A key information is that we believe
05:58there is a black cab driver out there tricking women passengers into drinking a glass of champagne
06:03which he has drugged and then sexually assaulted those women typically he tells them he's had a
06:10win at a casino or on the lottery and that he wants them to celebrate with him then he offers
06:16them the champagne now we have linked five cases so far but we believe there are more which is why
06:24we're asking anyone who recognizes this method or any method similar to this to come forward and
06:29help us identify this man what he said to me this time what's he done now i thought he was
06:34joking
06:35right but he says if i bought you a ring would you move in with me and i'm like what
06:39type of ring
06:40and then he says a friendship ring what exactly i said you can get lost mate a friendship ring
06:46do you want me to be your housemate now get veggie sausage please he's taking a piss isn't he
06:51just the one yeah thanks rachel what's up
06:58i need the supervisor a nurse works at a haven center now she said she saw the sun today and
07:07in july of last year they dealt with a girl with an almost identical story driver said it won bigger
07:12the casino or for the champagne that she was convinced was corrupt but that's it that's
07:15six victims yeah but the important bit is the cab was caught on cctv at the university halls of
07:22residence we've got a name and address for the driver john derek war boys lives in rotherhithe
07:29uh
07:39uh
07:41uh
07:41uh
07:59What's all this about, mate?
08:01John Ward, boys.
08:03Yeah?
08:04I'm a police officer.
08:06Can you come down and open the door, please?
08:11Now, I've been out working all night. What do you want?
08:14Come down and open the door.
08:26What is it?
08:27I'm Derek, Blue Boys.
08:29I'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008.
08:33You don't have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention my question.
08:36Something would you like to rely on a call?
08:43We're on our way back to Sutton Liquidim now.
08:45House is being searched.
08:48Why didn't she flag Dave?
08:50The girl that has told us about.
08:51Yeah.
08:52Right.
08:52I, um, I checked that out.
08:55Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime.
08:57So there's no criminal intelligence report in the system.
09:00What?
09:01It was only logged as a crime-related incident.
09:03But that's against protocol.
09:05The starting point is that she should be believed.
09:34It was believed.
09:50a suspect was arrested earlier today so we are now asking any women who think they may have been
09:56attacked by this man to please come forward they may well feel that something has happened to them
10:03we might not be certain what but it's important for everyone who recognizes this man's behavior
10:09to get in touch with us as a matter of urgency do i admit making a mistake getting into the
10:15back
10:15with her could say got in the back to help her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at
10:21me
10:23and what would you say to any women who do come forward to perhaps feeling scared or vulnerable
10:29i would say that they will be supported that they will be listened to
10:35and that they will be believed
10:41i'd go coasting over phuket every time every time i mean both in thailand but hannah said she sold
10:47three holidays in coasting in the last fortnight what do you think of coasting me yeah sorry i'm
10:53going there next year defo love coasting me up though hannah can you order some more a4 can you
11:01get a coconut scented candle can you go out and get me a coffee almond milk not dairy i've actually
11:05got a
11:05question to ask you hannah what's your last bloody slave guy uh i'm sorry i think i've forgotten
11:10something you what um can you just just tell hannah i won't be in it
11:34it didn't even warn me it's him isn't it yeah yeah it is it's him isn't it yeah it is
11:44it's me yeah i'm sorry i've seen you
11:44It's him. It's exactly what he did to me.
11:48Why am I finding out about it from a newspaper?
11:52What the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to do?
12:00Frankie, I'm just feeding the baby.
12:02Are you watching the news?
12:03What?
12:04Just turn the news on now. ICV.
12:06One second.
12:11Typically, he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery.
12:16Then he offers them a drink of champagne, which he has drugged.
12:20Most of the women who have so far come forward have no memory of what happened in the period after
12:25drinking the champagne.
12:28They said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver.
12:31Mate, that's exactly how you said it happened.
12:34They were listening to me.
12:37I thought I was going mad.
12:39You've got to call him, Sarah.
12:41No!
12:43Oh, I can't go through that again.
12:46Well, please just think about it.
12:50I haven't even told Dad what happened.
12:53I was told by a friend about the story in the Sun newspaper today,
12:57and when I read it, I knew straight away that this man had done something similar to me.
13:04Yes, it was in July of last year.
13:07I was told when my case was going to be closed down that one of your officers didn't think a
13:12black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fair.
13:15That is what was said to me.
13:17Look, what I want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the same man who attacked
13:23me last year.
13:24Can you at least tell me that, please?
13:27I don't need a name.
13:33Okay.
13:34Thank you very much.
13:35I've got to go now.
13:40It's the same man.
13:44A long time ago, five years ago, before I met you,
13:52I was raped.
13:56But nobody believed me.
13:59The police didn't believe me.
14:02Not even Connor believed me.
14:07The man who did it, he's done it to other women, too, and he's just been arrested.
14:15Yeah.
14:15Um, he's so sorry, I don't need to cuddle.
14:21They've put it behind me, and that's the way it's going to stay.
14:25They've asked people to come forward, but I'm not going to.
14:31You have to go to the police, sir.
14:32It's enough that I know after all these years I was right.
14:38That that man did drug me.
14:41He did attack me.
14:44Beyond that,
14:46I don't want to waste any more of my life on him.
15:01Okay.
15:02Let's start with the allegations of you touching female passengers in your cab in a sexual way.
15:08How do you respond to this?
15:10No comment.
15:11Mr Warboys will not be answering any of your questions tonight, as is his right,
15:15but he has prepared a statement, which he is prepared to read out to you now.
15:19Okay, John.
15:21Let's hear what you have to say.
15:37I am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me.
15:42I have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab,
15:46and I have also never administered any form of drug to a passenger, also whilst in my cab.
15:56I am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me,
16:00and offended that anyone would think that I, as a respected black cab driver,
16:05would be capable of behaving in this despicable manner.
16:12I am completely innocent.
16:15Okay, John.
16:17You will be detained for further questioning,
16:19and we're also going to need some swabs and a DNA sample from you.
16:38It's been white-hot all day.
16:40How many link cases?
16:4243.
16:4443 positively linked.
16:46Same description, same martyrs operandi.
16:48And that number is only going to rise when the line's open again tomorrow.
16:5143?
16:51Yeah.
16:52I mean, 43.
16:55What is happening here?
17:30I just want to get it all straight in my head before I call them.
17:34A cup of tea?
17:36Yeah, please.
17:38Kill me, are you?
17:43I called him a lovely man.
17:48He gave me a cigarette, and I said he was a lovely man.
17:52What?
17:55It can't be that I fucking said that to him.
17:59You're doing the right thing.
18:09Why did nobody tell me that you were going to arrest this man?
18:15Very sorry about that.
18:17Why did I have to find out about it through the newspapers and the TV?
18:20The answer is to do with the original team who investigated your complaint.
18:25It seems they only recorded it as a crime-related incident,
18:30and not as a crime.
18:32So your details and the details of the complaint were never properly in the system.
18:38Right.
18:41Right.
18:44Because, you know, they...
18:46They didn't really believe anything that I said.
18:48I'm not going to sit here and try and defend the original investigation.
18:51Good.
18:51Because it appears that mistakes were clearly made.
18:56To be told effectively that I was lying was devastating.
19:03Do you understand that?
19:06Absolutely devastating.
19:10And I've had to live with that for the last five years.
19:15My parents were devastated when I left uni.
19:19But I've never told them, or my brothers,
19:24what happened to me.
19:26Because we're not that kind of family.
19:27So when the police,
19:28the only people that I thought would...
19:33support me,
19:35turn their backs on me,
19:36that left me totally alone.
19:37Well, if the CPS had reviewed the evidence in your case,
19:40perhaps there might have been a different outcome.
19:41But, unfortunately, that is...
19:43Wait, wait, sorry, you...
19:45Did you...
19:47Did you just say that the CPS did not review my case?
19:52No.
19:55I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service
19:58had looked at all the evidence
20:01and decided not to proceed,
20:02which is why they closed the investigation in the first place.
20:09No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
20:14The decision to close your investigation
20:16was made by the senior officers overseeing it.
20:22They lied to me.
20:24I am sorry to say we haven't been able to locate your Achieving Best Evidence video
20:29or any of the items of clothing you told us about.
20:32What?
20:33None of the items you were wearing that night
20:35were where they should have been in the evidence store.
20:44I reckon they got rid of all my evidence
20:45when he was arrested
20:46because they knew it would make them look bad.
20:48I don't know if that's the case.
20:51I only hope that it isn't.
20:52Now, I'm guessing they were looking for the classic date rape drugs
20:56such as Riton, didn't find any.
20:57No, no, no, but they told me that they found nothing.
20:59Like I was...
21:00Like I was lying?
21:01Like I was lying about being drugged, that's...
21:04The test showed diphenhydramine,
21:06which is the active ingredient in nitro,
21:08was found in your urine.
21:09Okay, so if they'd have just...
21:12asked me,
21:13I could have told them
21:14that I've never knowingly taken that drug in my life.
21:18There were drugs in my bloodstream.
21:19Yes, citalopram, codeine, morphine.
21:23Hang on.
21:25I've never taken citalopram, whatever it is,
21:27my bloody life.
21:29It's a prescription antidepressant.
21:31Never taken an antidepressant?
21:33Why didn't they tell me
21:35they found these things in my blood?
21:37Why didn't they tell me?
21:41To feel like you're not being believed.
21:44And then to find out
21:45they couldn't even be bothered to do their job properly and...
21:52I can't explain to you
21:56how angry
21:59and brutalised
22:02and bewildered I feel.
22:09I would say that, um,
22:11based on just this conversation today,
22:14you might have grounds for a formal complaint.
22:17And if you like,
22:18I could give you the...
22:19the details
22:20of who to take that to.
22:23And who would that be?
22:25It's a body called the IPCC,
22:28the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
22:32You have heard about them.
22:35I work for a firm of solicitors.
22:39The IPCC,
22:40it's made up of ex-police officers, isn't it?
22:42Yeah.
22:44So the police market their own homework.
22:47I can tell you now,
22:48they'll find that nobody did anything wrong.
22:50I can tell you now.
22:57It's like this.
22:58And then,
22:59You get told you when we can THERE's all sorts of things that are involved Oh-
23:35Leila Mahmood
24:02Carrie Simons
24:05Sorry
24:12That's him
24:14Come on
24:24Sarah Adams
24:43Oh God, yeah, that's him
25:00I was talking to Mrs. Purvis today at my art class.
25:04She said her daughter's decided she wants to study law.
25:08She said she warned her it's going to take many years of hard work, but the girl seems adamant.
25:16She doesn't even want to take a gap here.
25:19She's going to start in September.
25:22Admirable, don't you think?
25:30I'm going to the garden centre tomorrow if you want to come, Leila.
25:35Pick up a few pots for the garden.
25:37Bouncy her?
25:40No, I can't.
25:41Sorry.
25:43To work on Saturdays.
25:47So how's things?
25:49Yeah, OK.
25:50Work?
25:51I may enjoy it rather than enjoy it.
25:53You still smoking?
25:55Er, no, I've quit.
25:58I mean, very occasionally.
26:00Hmm.
26:01I'm still trying to stop.
26:02Why?
26:03I'm just concerned about your health.
26:05My health's fine, isn't it?
26:06Yeah, well, that's good.
26:07That's good.
26:08I just, I wanted to say I'm sorry.
26:13I saw the news.
26:15And now I've read the papers.
26:17I'm sorry for not believing you.
26:28Jack, go back into the kitchen and get yourself a Snickers out of the fridge.
26:31Just go into the kitchen, just take whatever you want, but just eat it in there.
26:35Go on, babe.
26:42Sarah, I'm sorry.
26:44I can't say you're sorry.
26:46I was in a room the other day.
26:49It was full of women waiting to do identity parades.
26:54It almost killed me.
26:58All these women who'd gone through what I went through.
27:01Who would have been spared if...
27:05If they'd only believed me.
27:07Yeah, but you can't blame yourself.
27:10Can't I?
27:12Did I try hard enough?
27:13Yeah, you did.
27:14I know you did.
27:15Just...
27:15Sorry.
27:21You know, my life's okay.
27:24I'm happy enough.
27:26Gavin's a nice guy.
27:29I've got Lenny and...
27:31I've got Lenny and I.
27:32I thank God every day for him.
27:38But I should have still been here, Connor.
27:41Living with you.
27:43Jack should have been living with his mum and dad.
27:48Should have been your life.
27:50A love to you.
27:59That's how much this has fucked up my life.
28:06Thank you for your apology.
28:09I accept it.
28:15Jack?
28:19Uh...
28:20What's that?
28:23Come on.
28:28See you on Monday, baby.
28:30See you later, mate.
28:54We're going to proceed in court with charges relating to 14 of the women he attacked.
28:5714.
29:00But there are loads more than that.
29:02But CPS want to keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
29:05They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
29:08I'm not entirely sure I agree, but...
29:11Okay.
29:12We want you to be one of the 14.
29:14And give evidence in court against four boys.
29:17Me?
29:18But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
29:20Doesn't matter.
29:22You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
29:24And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
29:27And crucially, you had a really good recollection of most of your journey home with him.
29:34And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence about knowing that you weren't drunk,
29:40that she thought you'd been drunk,
29:42will also be helpful.
29:43So you want me to give evidence too?
30:04Oh, shit.
30:06Oh, shit.
30:16Okay, so we've heard from the CPS.
30:18The plan is...
30:20About 14 of the women are going to speak in court.
30:24But they won't be asking you to testify.
30:29Why?
30:30Well, the thing is, you...
30:32You didn't pick him out in the ID parade.
30:36It's been a long time, and he looked really different with me that night.
30:40Because so much evidence from your case has been lost.
30:43Fucking destroyed, in my opinion!
30:48It's about not giving the defence an opening, Sarah.
30:54That's hard.
30:56Because I wanted to look the bastard in the eye and tell everybody what he did to me.
31:01I wanted to have my moment in court.
31:06I wanted to look him in the eye and say,
31:07yeah, I'm sending you to prison because I don't want you to belong.
31:12I know. I'm sorry, Sarah.
31:15Sometimes in these...
31:16These big cases, it's easy to overwhelm the jury.
31:20So the strategy is to...
31:22To stick to the offences where we've been able to collect the most comprehensive evidence.
31:29With 14, is that enough?
31:31Well, the CPS are confident
31:32that this will give the trial judge enough ammunition
31:35to put him away for a long, long time.
31:43Mr. Warboys
31:45freely admits
31:46a good deal of the circumstances
31:48surrounding these events.
31:49For instance, he has always
31:51actively sought to engage
31:54female passengers in conversation
31:55in his taxi cab.
31:57Banter, as he calls it.
32:00And he sometimes did this
32:02by telling them
32:04falsely
32:04that he had won money that night through gambling
32:07and by showing them a bag filled with cash.
32:11But he says this was simply a conversation starter.
32:14And his objective was not sexual.
32:16It was simply female company.
32:18It was an icebreaker
32:20in that respect.
32:23He is adamant
32:24that any sexual contact
32:26between him and any woman
32:28in his taxi
32:29was consensual.
32:30That it was non-penetrative
32:32and that it was initiated
32:34by those women.
32:41No, I don't remember
32:42feeling scared that night.
32:43You didn't feel threatened
32:45by Mr. Warboys?
32:46No, I actually thought
32:47he came across
32:48as sort of pathetic.
32:50Not some sort of predatory monster,
32:52just a normal taxi driver
32:53engaging in some banter with you.
32:57I actually think
32:58that harmless demeanour
32:59is what makes him so dangerous.
33:02Precisely because
33:03he puts you off guard
33:04as he hands over his drinks
33:05from the front.
33:06He's like a
33:07professional conman.
33:09It's clear,
33:10would you agree,
33:11that your daughter
33:12had been drinking that night?
33:14A few drinks, correct.
33:16So I put it to you
33:17that it's reasonable
33:18to assume
33:19that she was intoxicated?
33:21I've never seen her intoxicated.
33:24She rarely drinks alcohol.
33:26She was in distress.
33:28She was insensible.
33:30She was like a rag doll.
33:32There was something else
33:33in her system.
33:34She was vomiting continuously.
33:37You don't get like she was
33:38that night,
33:39just from a few drinks.
33:50I swear by Allah
33:51that the evidence I shall give
33:53shall be the truth,
33:54the whole truth,
33:55and nothing but the truth.
34:02Two large glasses
34:04of red wine.
34:06Yes.
34:07And you drank those
34:09and then you go to the toilet
34:10and you are sick.
34:13Yes.
34:14I...
34:14I sometimes get nauseous
34:16when I'm on my period.
34:18But that was not going to deter you
34:20from your plans
34:20for that evening
34:21and you went back
34:22to your friends
34:22and carried on as normal.
34:24In your statement,
34:26you say you then had
34:27two vodkas
34:28and lemonade.
34:30Yes.
34:31And did your drinking
34:32stop there?
34:34Or did you have
34:35rather more to drink
34:36that night
34:37than you've told us about?
34:39Not that I remember.
34:40Shortly after you got
34:41into his taxi,
34:42Mr. Warboys
34:43handed you a glass
34:44of something bubbly.
34:47Maybe champagne,
34:48something like that.
34:50And you drank that too?
34:53Yes.
34:55Why?
34:56Because he forced me to.
35:00He wouldn't take no for an answer.
35:02Oh, but he's driving.
35:03He's in the front of the cab.
35:04Yes, but he just...
35:05He kept persisting
35:06and persisting and persisting.
35:08But he can't actually
35:09force you to drink it,
35:10can he?
35:10Well, he forced me
35:11to take the pill.
35:12We'll come to that
35:13in a minute.
35:13My question to you
35:14is why you felt
35:15you had to drink
35:16that champagne
35:17when you were not obliged to.
35:22Because...
35:24He...
35:25He wouldn't take no
35:26for an answer.
35:27Or is the reality
35:29that he was being
35:29a very chatty
35:30and personable taxi driver
35:32engaging in some banter
35:33with you
35:35who'd offered you a drink
35:36and which you had accepted
35:37and drank
35:38perfectly happily?
35:40No.
35:42You say you remember him
35:44getting into the back
35:45of the cab
35:46with pills in his hand
35:47and that he forced one
35:49into your mouth, right?
35:50Yes.
35:51And what are you doing
35:52to resist?
35:56Well, I'm...
35:59I'm trying to...
36:01move him away from me.
36:03So you were perfectly able
36:04to struggle and resist?
36:06Yeah.
36:06But you don't mention
36:08struggling and resisting
36:09in your police statement.
36:13Well,
36:14if it's not there,
36:16it's not there,
36:17but I was...
36:18I was feeling quite
36:19drowsy
36:20after he made me
36:21drink the champagne.
36:22And after the pill
36:23went down,
36:23your mind
36:24is pretty much
36:26straight away
36:26a blank
36:27thereafter.
36:28Yes.
36:30So we really are
36:31in the realms
36:31of almost
36:33instant unconsciousness.
36:36Yes,
36:37that's right.
36:38Well,
36:38I suggest to you
36:39that you'd already
36:40consumed a large amount
36:41of alcohol
36:42before you got in
36:43Mr. Warboy's taxi
36:44and that he did not
36:45give you a pill
36:45or force it
36:46down your throat.
36:47Do you disagree
36:48with me?
36:49Yes.
36:49And you can't
36:50make up your mind
36:51whether you could
36:52or couldn't
36:52fight him off
36:53or did or
36:54didn't have a lot
36:54to drink
36:55or pretty much
36:55anything else
36:56that night
36:56because you
36:57were so
36:58intoxicated.
37:12Layla,
37:13I just want to
37:14thank you
37:14for giving evidence.
37:15I don't think
37:16there's any doubt
37:17you'll be found guilty.
37:18I thought you held up
37:19really well in there.
37:21Did you?
37:22Yeah.
37:23Yeah,
37:24that was tough.
37:26Layla,
37:26can I get you
37:26anything?
37:27Bring a cup of tea?
37:27No, thanks.
37:28I'd just like to go home.
37:30I'm Debbie
37:30from the police press office.
37:32I just wondered
37:33if you'd consider
37:34waiving your anonymity
37:35and providing us
37:35with some media interviews.
37:37What?
37:38We just thought
37:39if someone could stand up,
37:40someone articulate
37:41like yourself
37:42and talk about
37:42what had happened to you,
37:44this might encourage
37:45more women to come forward.
37:46No.
37:47No,
37:47I can't do that.
37:48I'm sorry.
37:50You've got the wrong person.
37:51Sorry.
38:07Hi,
38:08I'm sorry.
38:09I'm Sarah.
38:09Oh, I know you.
38:10I've been through
38:11exactly what you've been through.
38:14Have you got time
38:14for a coffee?
38:16I wanted to punch
38:17that fucking barrister
38:19in his stupid face.
38:22And why is it okay
38:24for him to make out
38:25I'm a liar?
38:26He was going through
38:26every tiny thing
38:28in your statement
38:28in minute detail
38:29just trying to find
38:30some little thing
38:30to pick away at.
38:32Why is that still happening?
38:33I was raging too,
38:34just watching.
38:35What is the point
38:36of this farce?
38:36He's fucking guilty.
38:38You know,
38:39I've been looking
38:39into bringing a complaint
38:40against the police
38:41for the way they treated us.
38:43And with me,
38:44there was so much stuff
38:44that they missed out
38:45in the first few weeks.
38:46It was just ridiculous.
38:48Yeah,
38:49but it's their own
38:49disciplinary people,
38:50isn't it?
38:51What's the point?
38:52I'm not talking
38:53about going through
38:54the IPCC.
38:55I want to make
38:55some proper noise.
38:57I'm looking into
38:58suing them.
38:59Suing?
39:00Yeah.
39:02And there's a lawyer
39:03I've been put in touch with
39:04who might be prepared
39:05to take it on.
39:06She's called Harriet Wistrich.
39:08She's got a great reputation.
39:11But I can't do it by myself.
39:13I had a quick chat with her
39:14and she'd said
39:15it'd be a much stronger case
39:16if there was someone else
39:17who had been through
39:18the same thing.
39:19So you're asking
39:21do I want to sue
39:22the police
39:23with you?
39:24Well, yeah.
39:27You don't have to make
39:28a decision.
39:29Yes.
39:30What?
39:31Yes.
39:32Let's sue the bastards.
39:34Oh.
39:35Great.
39:36Yeah.
39:55You developed and perfected
39:58a web of deceit
39:59that was sufficient
40:01to ensnare young,
40:02intelligent,
40:03and sensible women
40:04and sensible women
40:05who had enjoyed
40:05a night out
40:06and whose only mistake,
40:08as it turned out,
40:09was to get into your cab
40:11late at night.
40:13There is no doubt
40:14that you continue
40:15to constitute
40:16a significant risk
40:17of serious harm
40:18through the commission
40:19of further offences.
40:21I therefore pass down
40:23on you
40:23an indeterminate sentence
40:25of imprisonment
40:26for public protection
40:27with a minimum
40:29custodial term
40:30of eight years.
40:46I wouldn't worry
40:47about the eight years.
40:49As I understand it,
40:50the judge had to give a number,
40:52but a parole board
40:53still has to decide
40:54if it's safe to release him,
40:55and I can't see that happening.
40:57Eight years did
40:58spook me a bit.
40:59Yeah, he's not getting out.
41:02Anyway, Carrie,
41:03thanks for agreeing
41:03to do some interviews.
41:05I think if someone
41:06like yourself,
41:07someone so articulate
41:08can stand up,
41:09then it will encourage
41:10more women to come forward.
41:11I'm nervous,
41:12but if it gives others a voice,
41:13it seems like
41:14the right thing to do.
41:15Thanks again.
41:16Yeah.
41:16I'll start to get
41:17some things set up,
41:18okay?
41:18Okay.
41:19Thanks, Carrie.
41:21What have you got to do?
41:22Well, just some interviews
41:23about what happened to me.
41:24They need someone
41:25to waive their anonymity
41:26and be a focal point.
41:27My goodness,
41:28do you think
41:28that's a good idea?
41:29You're so young.
41:30Do you want this
41:31hanging over you?
41:33What?
41:34They said it's important
41:35that more people
41:35come forward.
41:39I'm just sick of us
41:40all being on the back foot,
41:41Mum.
41:45Could he really get out
41:46that soon?
41:47Because the thought
41:48of him ever being released
41:49terrifies me.
41:50Me too.
41:51Well, theoretically, yes.
41:53After eight years,
41:54he could apply for parole,
41:55but in order to do that,
41:57he'd first have to admit
41:58to what he's done.
41:59And his position
42:00has consistently been
42:01that he is
42:02totally innocent.
42:04Right, so not just a psycho,
42:05a thick psycho.
42:06So his position is
42:07105 women have all
42:09just made it all up?
42:10It's up to 105 now.
42:12Well, I was told
42:13the actual number
42:14might be nearer 500.
42:16Is that correct?
42:17That's what the police said.
42:19So what do you think, Harriet?
42:21There's potentially
42:22hundreds of women out there
42:23who have suffered needlessly
42:24because the police
42:25didn't do their job properly.
42:26They shouldn't be allowed
42:27to get away with
42:27what they've done.
42:29Well, neither of you
42:30qualifies for legal aid,
42:32so you're asking me
42:33to take this on
42:33on a no-win, no-fee basis?
42:36I'm afraid we are, yeah.
42:38OK.
42:40Firstly, the problem is
42:41you can't sue the police
42:42for negligence.
42:43Why not?
42:44Well, the law states
42:45that if they could be sued,
42:46they wouldn't be able
42:46to do their jobs properly
42:47because they'd always
42:48be looking over their shoulder
42:49waiting for the next writ.
42:50It's just how the law is,
42:51I'm afraid.
42:54But my advice
42:55would be to pursue this
42:56under the Human Rights Act
42:58and argue that
42:59the police's actions...
42:59Or inactions.
43:00Or inactions.
43:03Infringed on your right
43:04to not be subjected
43:05to inhuman
43:05or degrading treatment.
43:07Well, that exactly
43:09describes what happened
43:09to us.
43:10Yes.
43:12The only problem is
43:13is that it's never
43:13been done before.
43:15And, um,
43:16in your case, Sarah,
43:17there is a statute
43:18of limitations issue.
43:19You must take an action
43:20within one year
43:21and it's been five years
43:22since the police
43:23investigated your case.
43:24And in your case,
43:25Slaylor, they could argue
43:26that, however ineffective
43:27their initial investigation
43:28was, they did ultimately
43:30arrest the correct man.
43:32Shall we close the door
43:33on our way out, then?
43:34But the first thing
43:35I would do is I would
43:37contact the police
43:38and declare our intentions.
43:40Now, they will jump up
43:41and down, tell us we don't
43:42have a legal leg to stand
43:42on and that we're out
43:43of time, but they will
43:45have to disclose to us
43:47statements and other
43:48evidence.
43:49And I'm betting that
43:51will throw up some pretty
43:54interesting stuff.
44:22And I'll see you next time.
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