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Hunting Bundy: Chase for the Devil - Season 1 - Episode 02: Rocky Mountain Murder Spree
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00:06I don't want another parent to go through what my wife and I went through.
00:12A Smith girl turned up missing in October the 18th at 74 in a small town south of Salt Lake.
00:21Jerry Thompson said Bundy was like a monster, that's how it viewed him.
00:31In 2024, the producers of this series came into possession of case files from the family of the late Salt
00:38Lake City detective Jerry Thompson,
00:41including never before seen crime scene photos, new Ted Bundy interviews and audio files from an historic meeting called the
00:51Aspen Summit,
00:51which all show how, in the 1970s, detectives from different states came together to solve one of the most heinous
01:00serial killer rampages in history.
01:04From January to July of 1974, the King County area was engulfed in a wave of fear as young women
01:10were being attacked and murdered with alarming regularity.
01:15It's the fall of 1974, and detectives in Seattle are searching for the man responsible for murdering eight women in
01:23the Pacific Northwest.
01:25I took it as a heavy responsibility. I wanted to find the guy before he killed more people.
01:32The man who was described as a smooth-talking man with his arm in a cast who asked several women
01:37to help him load a boat onto a Volkswagen.
01:40There was the name, Ted. There was the composite drawing. There was a beige VW bug.
01:47But when the murders there abruptly stop, only to start up again in Utah, detectives in three states, Washington, Oregon,
01:57and Utah are working blind, unaware of any connection.
02:02At the time, jurisdictions didn't always cooperate with each other. They didn't share.
02:09Back in Seattle, Ted Bundy is just one name among 200 potential suspects.
02:17But then Bundy makes a huge mistake, and a victim gets away.
02:24When Carol Durant escaped, we felt that they were on the verge of breaking this case wide open.
02:49After she broke loose, Mr. Ronch flagged down a passing car, and an elderly couple drove her to the Murray
02:55Police Station.
02:57When I first heard about the attack on Carol Durant, I was actually on vacation in Oregon, salmon fishing.
03:06Retired detective Paul Forbes was with the Murray City Police Department in the Salt Lake City metro area.
03:14My boss said, you're going to have to give up the extra five days. We need you to get home.
03:20So I made it back home as quickly as I could.
03:23Now safe from harm, Carol Durant recounts the horrific ordeal to Detective Forbes.
03:30Carol Durant said he had tried to handcuff her to the Volkswagen glove compartment.
03:36But by some stroke of luck, he accidentally gets both cuffs on the same wrist.
03:41So she is not chained to the car.
03:46She just ran into the street.
03:48She said, I don't know how I did it, but I was able to get away.
03:56She was hysterical and it was hard getting out of her what happened.
04:00This man had kidnapped her and was maybe going to hurt her.
04:07Tough little girl.
04:10So he's got a woman out there somewhere in Salt Lake City that has seen him, heard his voice, seen
04:17his car.
04:18And the only thing that he has going for him that November night is that she doesn't know his name.
04:23And at this point, no one is connecting this to all of the murdered and missing girls.
04:30I have spent many hours with Carol going through the mall, all of the areas where he had taken her
04:37before he got her finally in the car.
04:39Carol Durant describes her attacker as having a mustache and long hair past his ears.
04:45She noticed that he was wearing green pants, a blazer and shiny patent leather shoes.
04:52She also remembers that he's driving this ratty Volkswagen and that the back seat was torn up.
04:59We fell in the newsroom and maybe some police officers did too.
05:04They ought to be able to identify this guy before too long.
05:10But that very same night, another girl was snatched from a crowded high school theater just 20 miles away in
05:17the Salt Lake suburb of Bountiful.
05:20Immediately after Carol Durant gets away, a man approached 24-year-old drama teacher, Raylan Shepard, who was directing a
05:31musical at a high school in Bountiful that night.
05:34He was following her around before the play began, asking her to come out to the parking lot to help
05:42him.
05:44He did. That night, a close girl in the hall, in the lobby.
05:48Well, I'm helping his automobile. I'm going to start over checking something.
05:53And she's like, no, I'm busy. I've got stuff to do.
05:57He subsequently approached another woman at the drinking fountain and was more aggressive and more assertive about it.
06:03The second woman rebuffs the man's advances as well.
06:07I think he got a little frustrated that he wasn't able to use his ruse to get anyone to go
06:13with him.
06:15Deborah Kent was a 17-year-old high school student in Bountiful, Utah.
06:21She came from a big family. She was very popular. She was described as just a really sweet, kind person.
06:29That night, Deborah goes to see the school musical with her parents, while her little brother goes roller skating at
06:36a nearby rink.
06:41Debbie's father gave me the keys to his car to grab and get the car to go downtown and pick
06:45up a young brother.
06:47During the play's intermission, Debbie heads out of the theater to pick up her brother, but she never makes it
06:54to the car.
06:56It's not known exactly what happened in the parking lot.
07:00It seems possible that he just accosted her and grabbed her.
07:06Deborah Kent was never seen again.
07:09The next morning, Bountiful PD are searching the entire area, and one officer finds a handcuff key laying on the
07:18sidewalk.
07:20You've got something that shouldn't be there, and it could likely be from the man who was involved in her
07:25abduction.
07:27Bountiful investigators interview witnesses and learn that the man was seen leaving the auditorium, but then returned a short time
07:35later.
07:36When he was seen earlier, he was well-dressed, clean, neat, well-kept, well-groomed, very calm, very cool.
07:44At 10.30, which is about the time the play ended, the same people saw him again.
07:50Only now, he was very miserable, he was breathing hard, he was firing, he was just having a completely different
07:57appearance.
08:00My theory is that he realized that he had dropped the handcuff key, and if he couldn't find that handcuff
08:08key, they might be able to connect him to the Carol Durant's kidnapping.
08:15At this point, there are multiple young women missing or found murdered in the Salt Lake area.
08:20Melissa Smith in October, Laura Amy later that month, and now, Deborah Kent in early November.
08:29Carol Durant had barely escaped an abduction, and then, as if ripped from a horror movie, there's another grisly discovery.
08:49Right around Thanksgiving break, two Brigham Young University students were playing hooky, and they wanted to go for a hike
08:59in American Fork Canyon.
09:04American Fork was a beautiful canyon.
09:07It's just on the other side of the end of Salt Lake Valley.
09:11There was hikes that you could take up there.
09:16They were walking down just this trail that was kind of close to a stream.
09:30At the bottom of this embankment.
09:33And the girlfriend said,
09:35Oh my God, I think that's a dead girl.
09:38And they immediately went and notified police,
09:42who quickly identified it as being the body of Laura Amy.
09:49Laura Amy had been strangled, and she had blunt force trauma to her head from some kind of blunt object,
09:58which we would later find out was a crowbar.
10:05The body was dumped in amongst some logs just off of a road, a parking lot area up in American
10:11Fork Canyon.
10:12The body, a hoot.
10:21These are the EME photos.
10:22These are the EME photos.
10:23These EME photos.
10:24They are on the EME photos.
10:39They have a New England stocking tied on the neck.
10:41They have a chain, a necklace.
10:47the body was washed the hair was washed he had a shampoo smell to it
10:52the cause of death was either by strangulation or by a massive blow to the head sorry that's
11:00heavy yeah take a minute laura amy and melissa smith were both found nude and abandoned in
11:13remote canyons beaten and then strangled jerry thompson's boss pete hayward was one of the cops
11:21who realized these girls were likely killed by the same individual based on the similar mo
11:26saying we got a real nut out there
11:40a lot of these people took this case very personally it was an attack on their towns on their communities
11:49you'd be hard-pressed to find a detective more invested than mike fisher of colorado
11:56he was working the karen campbell case who had come with her boyfriend dr raymond godowski
12:01and his two children to aspen colorado
12:07karen campbell just wanted to have a nice vacation and she was starting her life over
12:13she had a new fiance and she was on a skiing trip that also happened to be a cardiology conference
12:21for her fiance it was supposed to be sort of a bonding trip for her to get to know these
12:27children
12:27before she married into the family she had never been to aspen before she was from dearborn michigan
12:35karen campbell went to dinner the night of january 12th
12:42she was walking with her fiance raymond his two kids and their friend
12:48she wanted to go back to her room to get a magazine and so she walked through this complex
12:53got on an elevator and she never got to a room the magazine was there the room wasn't open
13:03she disappeared and that's when mike fisher was called in
13:10mike fisher was an investigator for colorado with the attorney general he was an investigator
13:16really for the state at the time when he didn't have very many leads on the karen campbell
13:22disappearance he was looking at every single hotel room every single person who had checked in
13:30he was comparing those hotel check-in lists to all the jurisdictions from where those people
13:37had originated to see if there were any priors he was dogged and he was chasing down every possible lead
13:45his work was really extraordinary in piecing things together fisher became personally involved with
13:54karen campbell case i think that he felt offended that someone would come to his beautiful resort town
14:03just to be taken away from her family and this new life that she was trying to start
14:12the night karen disappeared it snowed heavily obscuring the roads and ditches
14:18making the search for her body all but impossible
14:29a month later a passerby noticed driving down owl creek road which was at the time kind of a lonely
14:37deserted road near snowmass
14:41they saw a flock of crows pecking at something and called police
14:54it was her remains it seemed that she had been just tossed over the guardrail and that when the
15:02snow plows had come through they had covered her in snow
15:11so hard to look at
15:14reports from jerry thompson's case files explain that coyotes had apparently consumed some of karen
15:21campbell's remains making it impossible to determine if she had been strangled
15:28i think the autopsy said blunt force trauma and exposure to the elements
15:35they said that she may have been still barely alive and actually froze to death that night
15:44mike fisher said that the da said fish you'll never find out who did this you've got nothing to work
15:50with and of course fisher chuckled at that no i'm gonna find this guy
16:02just two weeks after karen campbell's remains are found king county detectives in washington get a
16:09big break though a tragic one a massive search was launched after the discovery of the skeletal
16:16remains of six women in the mountains east of seattle what do you got there bob uh just more bones
16:23so
16:24far jaw bones as a matter of fact aren't they well one kind of looks like a jawbone yes
16:29in march of 1975 forestry students were out surveying taylor mountain
16:37they realized that they had discovered the dump site for the missing pacific northwest victims at that
16:43point the word is that both you and seattle police are proceeding on the assumption that there are more
16:50bodies out here well that probably is uh within that woods and you just don't know what's in there
16:57it's so thick and so overgrown with bushes that you could find anything you know a couple hours from now
17:04or five minutes from now it was heavy vine maple and as bob keppel was making his way through surveying
17:14the scene
17:14he tripped and fell down and as he looked up he was looking at a skull
17:23up at taylormount linda ann healy susan elaine rancourt roberta kathleen parks brenda ball and then
17:31previously in september we identified janice ott and denise nozzle so there are six people
17:38definitely identified so we have found nothing but human remains not one button ring so forth
17:45the taylor mountain site shows detectives the same mo as the issaquah site from the lake sammamish
17:52double murder this was absolute proof that the same killer was responsible for all of these victims
17:59it was urgency you got to find this guy and stop the murders in the future the victim tally balloons
18:07to 13 across the western u.s but detectives continue to toil in isolation at the time jurisdictions didn't
18:16always cooperate with each other they didn't share and that was a real detriment to law enforcement
18:23because they didn't realize these murders could all be connected law enforcement generally is
18:31distrusting of each other and that's unfortunate that help when most needed gets ignored the murders
18:40continue in the span of just three months three more young women are taken two in colorado and one
18:47in idaho to this day none of their remains have ever been found for every victim he left behind he
18:57left
18:57behind families that were tortured by the death of a loved one it's like you you drop a pebble into
19:06a pond
19:06and the waves and the ripples just go out farther and farther
19:25the night of august 16th 1975 there was a utah highway patrolman named bob hayward who lived in granger
19:35what is now west valley city utah a suburb of salt lake city he was just getting off of his
19:42shift
19:44and he noticed a vw bug
19:49with its lights off driving past him he thought that's a little odd i know everybody in this
19:55neighborhood and i don't know this car and driving around at three in the morning
20:01later he's filling out paperwork and he gets a call he needs to respond to
20:11he later said that he took a wrong turn driving out of his neighborhood and if he hadn't taken this
20:17exact turn at this exact time he wouldn't have seen that same vw bug parked with its lights off
20:27outside a house one block from where he lived they had a lot of burglars in the area he was
20:34suspicious
20:34of this guy immediately but instead of letting him come over and talk to him bundy freaked out and took
20:40off so the vw zoomed away the great term i love they use it then bundy rabbited so the chase
20:49was on
21:04the car
21:10so bundy finally pulls over outside of this gas station
21:17gets out of the car
21:25Hayward opens his door
21:26and tells him to stop right there
21:30Bundy says
21:31well what's the problem officer
21:32so Hayward goes over to Bundy
21:35has him identify himself
21:36said I need to see your license
21:38Bundy goes back in his car
21:39and gets it
21:41he read his name out
21:43Theodore Robert Bundy
21:45Hayward didn't like him
21:46he was dressed all in black
21:48found sitting in front of this house
21:50and he knew the people
21:52that lived in that house
21:54had two young daughters
21:55teenage girls
21:56and their parents were out of town
21:58he knew that those girls would be asleep
22:00and he didn't like
22:01that this man was parked outside of the house
22:04the passenger seat is removed
22:06and on the back seat
22:07first thing he sees was
22:09the brown gym bag
22:11has stuff spilling out of it
22:13in the open bag
22:15Hayward sees a crowbar
22:16and other tools commonly used
22:18to commit burglaries
22:20so Bundy gives him permission
22:22to search the car
22:26Bundy started telling him
22:27about how he was a law student
22:28at the U
22:29I was just driving around
22:31you know
22:32it was a different part of town
22:33I'm just exploring
22:35he was just lost
22:36in the neighborhood
22:37he also said
22:38that he had seen a movie
22:39at a drive-in
22:40Hayward said
22:41oh yeah
22:41what movie did you see
22:42Ted goes
22:43uh the towering Inferno
22:48and he thought to himself
22:50that's not true
22:50because I know exactly
22:52what's playing
22:52at that movie theater
22:54and it was
22:54a trio of westerns
22:56that night
22:56it was not
22:57the towering Inferno
22:59so his credibility
23:00started to decay
23:02he knew he was lying
23:04but he didn't understand
23:05why he was there
23:06he thought maybe
23:07he was planning on
23:08burglarizing some houses
23:13they searched his car
23:14they found
23:15a crowbar
23:17trash bags
23:18rope
23:19an ice pick
23:20there were a pair of handcuffs
23:21and a ski mask
23:23not the kind of thing
23:25that you would
23:25usually find
23:26in a regular person's car
23:30these seem like
23:31burglary tools
23:36so he asks him
23:37about the various things
23:38and he says
23:38oh they're just
23:39commonplace items
23:41what about the handcuffs
23:43I found them somewhere
23:44and you know
23:45in someone's trash
23:48not only was Hayward
23:49going to charge him
23:51with evading
23:51a police officer
23:53he was going to also
23:55charge him
23:55with burglary tools
23:57of course he knew
23:58that this is more
23:58than burglary tools
23:59it's got stuff
24:00in there for tying
24:01people up
24:04I'm a criminal
24:05defense attorney
24:06and I've tried
24:07over 300 cases
24:08lots of circumstantial
24:10evidence
24:10is the most difficult
24:12kind of case
24:13for a defense lawyer
24:15because you can
24:16explain in a way
24:16say well
24:17I had the ice pick
24:19in there
24:19because I went
24:20to a kegger
24:21but the nylon mask
24:23with the eyes
24:24you know
24:25and after
24:27three or four of them
24:29everything becomes
24:30unbelievable
24:32it appears
24:33the man they've arrested
24:34is planning
24:35to burglarize houses
24:37but it doesn't make sense
24:38that he's a law student
24:40he has no criminal record
24:41we want to find out
24:43more about this guy
24:44we're not just
24:45going to let him off
24:47so they brought him
24:48down to the police
24:49station
24:49and booked him
24:51finger printed him
24:52and then let him go
24:54on bail
24:59a few days later
25:00there was a meeting
25:02of several of the
25:05detectives
25:06sergeants
25:06at the Salt Lake
25:07County Sheriff
25:09they would meet
25:10every Tuesday
25:10and they would discuss
25:12what's going on
25:13in their county
25:14to see if anything
25:16would link up
25:17to something else
25:17the Utah sheriff
25:19said
25:20hey I arrested
25:22this guy
25:22whose name is Ted
25:24he had handcuffs
25:26and a crowbar
25:27in his car
25:28and Jerry Thompson
25:29was there
25:31one of the detectives
25:32mentioned that
25:33Bunny was the strangest
25:34guy he'd ever met
25:35I remember Thompson
25:36said once his name
25:37was mentioned
25:38something went off
25:39in my mind
25:39and I thought
25:40wait a minute
25:41I know that name
25:45and he said
25:46I went back
25:47to my office
25:50and sure enough
25:53there was the
25:54information on Bundy
25:57Jerry Thompson
25:59remembers the Seattle
26:00tip he received
26:01months earlier
26:01after Bundy's
26:03girlfriend Liz
26:03came forward
26:04with her suspicions
26:06about Ted
26:07he was very
26:08very interested
26:09in this guy
26:10from the moment
26:10he heard about him
26:11because he drove
26:12a Volkswagen
26:14he had handcuffs
26:15in the car
26:17and so
26:17these things
26:18started coming back
26:20to his mind
26:20about Carol Durant
26:22in a flash
26:23the attempted
26:24kidnapping
26:25of Carol Durant
26:26and her statement
26:27to police
26:28connect Ted Bundy
26:29as a possible suspect
26:31in all of the
26:32disappearances
26:33and murders
26:33over the past
26:3418 months
26:35that was a
26:37brilliant piece
26:38of intuitive
26:38police work
26:39I mean that's
26:40a big turn
26:41in this whole case
26:43I got a call
26:44from the
26:45South Lake County
26:45Sheriff
26:46who said
26:46I stopped
26:48a guy
26:49in a car
26:50that matched
26:50the description
26:51I think he might
26:53be your guy
26:53according to
26:55Detective Thompson's
26:56files
26:57Ted Bundy
26:58truly came to
26:59light in his eyes
27:00with the
27:00burglary tools
27:01arrest
27:02Thompson thought
27:03Bundy's explanation
27:04for the items
27:05was very poor
27:07Jerry Thompson
27:09can't get over
27:10the similarities
27:10between all the
27:11cases
27:13and was
27:15determined
27:15to catch
27:16this killer
27:19so
27:20they're
27:21talking to
27:21Bundy
27:22about the
27:23burglary tools
27:23charge
27:24and they're
27:25saying
27:26you know
27:26we'd really
27:27like to
27:27clear you
27:28of this
27:29is there
27:29a way
27:29that you
27:30could
27:30you know
27:31let us
27:31search your
27:32apartment
27:32and we
27:34can make
27:34sure that
27:34you know
27:35you're not
27:35associated
27:36with these
27:36other cases
27:38and he
27:39says
27:39sure
27:39search my
27:40apartment
27:41I'll sign
27:41a waiver
27:43Jerry Thompson
27:44was there
27:45other
27:46detectives
27:47were there
27:47and a couple
27:48patrol officers
27:49who sat
27:50on either
27:50side of the
27:51couch
27:51while Bundy
27:52had to sit
27:52there
27:53and chatter
27:54away for a
27:54while
27:55Thompson said
27:56he couldn't
27:56shut his
27:57mouth
27:57he chattered
27:57like a
27:58magpie
28:01Jerry
28:02was a
28:02long-time
28:03friend of
28:03mine
28:04he was an
28:05aggressive guy
28:06when we
28:06worked together
28:07he was very
28:08tenacious
28:09about his
28:10job as I
28:10was myself
28:13we were
28:14doing a
28:15thorough search
28:16of Bundy's
28:16apartment
28:16and looking
28:17for anything
28:18that could
28:18place him
28:19anywhere
28:20in hopes
28:21that we
28:22could bring
28:23more charges
28:24against him
28:25when they
28:27were searching
28:28his apartment
28:28they thought
28:29it was
28:30oddly
28:31clean
28:32and very
28:34very well
28:34organized
28:35they uncovered
28:36some things
28:37there
28:37that turned
28:39out to be
28:39significant
28:40to the
28:41case
28:43detectives
28:44found a
28:45bill for a
28:46chevron gas
28:47card
28:48which tipped
28:49him off
28:49to the fact
28:49that Ted
28:50had gas
28:52receipts
28:52that they
28:53would be
28:53able to
28:54subpoena
28:54eventually
28:56Jerry
28:57also noticed
28:58in his
28:58closet
28:59a pair
28:59of shiny
29:00patent
29:00leather
29:01shoes
29:02detective
29:03Thompson
29:04recalled
29:04that
29:05Carol
29:05Durant
29:05had said
29:06her
29:06attacker
29:06was wearing
29:07black patent
29:08leather
29:09shoes
29:10he also
29:11finds other
29:12possibly
29:13incriminating
29:14items in
29:14Bundy's
29:15apartment
29:15including
29:16a brochure
29:17for the
29:17recreation
29:18center
29:18in Bountiful
29:19the Salt
29:20Lake City
29:20suburb
29:21where Deborah
29:21Kent had
29:22vanished
29:23nine months
29:23earlier
29:24he also
29:25asked him
29:25if he'd
29:26ever been
29:26to Bountiful
29:27he said
29:27oh I've
29:27driven
29:28through
29:29so this
29:30is from
29:30Constance
29:30Files
29:32oh cool
29:35I've never
29:36seen this
29:36before
29:37this is
29:39the original
29:41Bountiful
29:41recreation
29:42center
29:42pamphlet
29:44that was
29:46confiscated
29:47from Ted
29:47Bundy's
29:48apartment
29:49on the
29:49avenues
29:52I'm glad
29:53you're
29:53allowing me
29:54to see
29:54this
29:54because
29:54I've
29:55never
29:55seen
29:55this
29:56hmm
29:57isn't
29:57that
29:57something
29:59oh my
30:00god
30:05I don't
30:06think I've
30:06ever touched
30:07something he
30:07touched
30:08I've sort
30:08of wondered
30:09about keeping
30:09these things
30:10that were
30:10sort of
30:11souvenirs
30:11that allowed
30:12him at
30:13some level
30:14to kind
30:14of relive
30:15and revisit
30:16they became
30:17almost sacred
30:18objects in this
30:19narrative of
30:20death that he
30:20was spinning
30:21and yet they
30:22were hugely
30:23incriminating
30:24I think he
30:25was considering
30:26each murder
30:27a trophy
30:30they found
30:31ski guides
30:31for Colorado
30:32he asked
30:34Ted at the
30:34time if he'd
30:35ever been to
30:36Colorado and
30:37he said no
30:37which was strange
30:38because he had
30:39these things
30:40in his house
30:46earlier in
30:47questioning
30:48that he denied
30:48being in
30:49Colorado at
30:49all
30:49that was
30:51his first
30:52statement
30:52on Wendy's
30:53apartment
30:53that's one
30:54state I've
30:54never been in
30:55part of
30:56circumstantial
30:57evidence is
30:57lying to
30:58the police
30:59about things
30:59that you
31:00know you're
31:00going to
31:00get caught
31:01for
31:01Ted was
31:02a sociopath
31:03and
31:05sociopaths
31:05think that
31:05they can
31:06control
31:06everything
31:08I think
31:08he did
31:09actually
31:09believe
31:09that he
31:10was smarter
31:11than they
31:11were
31:15inside the
31:16ski guide
31:16Bundy had
31:17taken and
31:18placed an
31:19X beside
31:20the complex
31:21in snowmass
31:22the wild
31:23wood inn
31:25when Jerry
31:26Thompson
31:26called Mike
31:28Fisher and he
31:29told them
31:30where the X
31:31was this is
31:32Fisher's exact
31:33words you're
31:34shitting me
31:35Jerry that's
31:36where our
31:36girl Karen
31:37Campbell went
31:38out
31:40gotta be the
31:41same guy
31:41gotta be
31:42and of course
31:43from that
31:43point forward
31:44Fisher knew
31:45I like
31:46Thompson
31:48they knew
31:50this was
31:51the guy
31:55but of course
31:56knowing it
31:57is one thing
31:59proving it
32:00is something
32:00else
32:01something far
32:02more difficult
32:07before
32:07before leaving
32:08Bundy's
32:08boarding house
32:09Thompson
32:09and Forbes
32:10want to
32:11search his
32:11car for
32:12more evidence
32:12to bolster
32:13the Carol
32:14Durant's
32:14kidnapping
32:15case
32:17when I
32:18went through
32:19his apartment
32:19I also
32:20asked him
32:21if I could
32:21look at
32:22his car
32:23he stated
32:24sure there's
32:24no problems
32:25it was
32:25down in
32:26the back
32:27I asked
32:28him then
32:28if I could
32:29take some
32:29pictures of
32:30the car
32:30which he
32:30had no
32:31objection
32:31at which
32:33point
32:33Thompson
32:34goes back
32:34to the
32:35little
32:35parking lot
32:35outside of
32:36Ted's
32:36house
32:37and photographs
32:38his
32:39VW
32:45he never
32:46asked why
32:46what
32:47or anything
32:48else
32:48because he
32:49already knows
32:50what we're
32:51there for
32:53that's why
32:53he didn't
32:54say anything
32:54in taking
32:55the pictures
32:56of the
32:56Volkswagen
32:57I noticed
32:59the back
32:59seat on the
33:00top
33:00had a
33:01tear
33:01almost
33:01the whole
33:02length
33:03of it
33:03which
33:04matched
33:04the
33:04description
33:06from a
33:06girl
33:07calling
33:07stucking
33:08in the
33:08back
33:08being
33:09horn
33:10his
33:11comment
33:11then
33:12I
33:12thought
33:12was
33:12very
33:12unusual
33:13he says
33:14Jerry
33:14you do
33:15a pretty
33:15good
33:15job
33:16and I
33:17asked
33:17him
33:17well
33:17I
33:18think
33:18I
33:18do
33:18a
33:19damn
33:19good
33:19job
33:19and he
33:20says
33:20now
33:20you
33:20got
33:20a
33:21straw
33:21and
33:22you
33:22trying
33:22to
33:22fill
33:22up
33:22the
33:23room
33:23keep
33:23going
33:23on
33:24the
33:24stage
33:24and
33:24vacant
33:25he
33:26would
33:26not
33:26elaborate
33:26further
33:27on
33:27his
33:28comment
33:29yeah
33:29he
33:30must
33:30have
33:30said
33:30that
33:31to
33:31me
33:31six
33:31or
33:31eight
33:32times
33:32and I
33:33said
33:34I've
33:34already
33:34made
33:34the
33:35room
33:35and
33:35you're
33:35holding
33:36it
33:37arrogant
33:38prick
33:40he then
33:40bailed out
33:41of jail
33:43on this
33:43charge
33:47while Bundy
33:48is out
33:48on bail
33:48for the
33:49burglary
33:49tools
33:49arrest
33:50Jerry
33:51Thompson
33:51continues
33:52investigating
33:53him
33:53for the
33:53Carol
33:54Durant's
33:54kidnapping
33:55Thompson
33:56goes to
33:57the
33:57University
33:57of
33:57Utah
33:58campus
33:58to
33:59speak
33:59with
33:59Bundy's
33:59professors
34:00but he
34:01realizes
34:02that
34:02Bundy
34:02is
34:03stalking
34:04him
34:05during
34:05the
34:06investigation
34:06through
34:07the
34:07law
34:07school
34:08up
34:08there
34:08he
34:09followed
34:09me
34:10around
34:10numerous
34:11times
34:11which I
34:12wouldn't
34:12worry
34:12if he
34:12would
34:12follow
34:13me
34:13going
34:14to
34:14different
34:14professors
34:16it
34:16seemed
34:17each
34:17time
34:17that he
34:18made
34:18it a
34:18point
34:18that I
34:19knew
34:19he
34:19was
34:19behind
34:20me
34:20he
34:20would
34:20run
34:21over
34:21to
34:21me
34:22holler
34:22at
34:22me
34:22shake
34:23my
34:23hand
34:24tell me
34:25I
34:25was
34:25doing
34:25a
34:25hell
34:25of
34:25nice
34:26job
34:26and I
34:26was
34:27getting
34:27tired
34:27and I
34:28looked
34:28like
34:28I
34:28needed
34:28rest
34:29and he
34:29was
34:29sorry
34:30that he
34:30worked
34:30so hard
34:31but after
34:32all I
34:32got paid
34:33for it
34:33he
34:33didn't
34:34he
34:35enjoyed
34:35the
34:36chase
34:36he
34:37enjoyed
34:37the
34:38capture
34:38and he
34:39enjoyed
34:39the
34:40finish
34:40all
34:41steps
34:42he
34:42enjoyed
34:42the
34:42whole
34:43thing
34:44it was
34:45part
34:45of
34:45the
34:45narcissism
34:46I
34:46think
34:46he
34:48just
34:48couldn't
34:48help
34:48himself
34:49he
34:49just
34:50loved
34:50being
34:50the
34:51center
34:51of
34:51attention
34:53Jerry
34:54Thompson
34:54visited
34:55Carol
34:56Durant at
34:56her place
34:57of work
34:57and he
34:58brought
34:58with him
34:59pictures
35:00of Bundy's
35:01DW
35:01as well
35:03as
35:03a number
35:04of photographs
35:04of men
35:05from the
35:06lineup
35:06and she
35:07looked at
35:08them and
35:08laid them
35:09over
35:09one after
35:10another
35:11but she
35:11put one
35:12on her
35:12leg
35:13and she
35:14said well
35:15I don't
35:15see anybody
35:16here
35:16he said
35:17well what
35:17about the
35:18one you're
35:18holding on
35:18to
35:19she says
35:20yeah that
35:20does look
35:21kind of
35:21like him
35:23on September
35:2410th
35:25investigators
35:26put Ted
35:26Bundy
35:27under
35:27surveillance
35:30this
35:30surveillance
35:31started
35:32on
35:331910
35:34and 75
35:35and we
35:35ran it
35:36for approximately
35:36four or five days
35:38on the individual
35:42he would be
35:43working on
35:43the car
35:44the VW
35:45and he was
35:46actively replacing
35:47parts of the car
35:49washing it out
35:50sanding down
35:52the rust spots
35:53changing the
35:53appearance of the car
35:54and he knew
35:55they were watching
35:56him and couldn't
35:57do anything about it
35:58this time
35:59the car
36:00had been
36:00changed
36:01the seat
36:02no longer
36:03had a care
36:04in it
36:04the hubcaps
36:06are different
36:07the Volkswagen
36:09never had a
36:10front bumper
36:10or lice
36:11laid on it
36:12but
36:13now
36:13it had a bumper
36:14on it
36:15and a lice
36:15laid on it
36:18the surveillance
36:19on Bundy
36:20unnerved him
36:21according to the
36:23surveillance reports
36:24Bundy would
36:25constantly come out
36:26from under his Volkswagen
36:27look up and down
36:29the street
36:29and then go back
36:31to working
36:31on the car's bumper
36:34they're following
36:35him around
36:36they're watching
36:37his house
36:37to the point
36:38where his neighbors
36:39are getting
36:40a little upset
36:42some of them
36:43are smoking weed
36:44and they don't like
36:45the cops
36:46hanging around
36:46their house
36:48his neighbor
36:48knocked on Ted's door
36:50and it was
36:51partially open
36:52until he walked in
36:53and Ted was drunk
36:54sitting on his couch
36:55and he said
36:57Ted I want to know
36:58what's going on
37:00and Ted said
37:02oh
37:03the girls
37:05I'm caught
37:06it's because of
37:07all the girls
37:09and he said
37:10what do you mean
37:11and Ted said
37:13never mind
37:13never mind
37:22in September
37:24of 1975
37:26Detective Jerry Thompson
37:28knows he doesn't
37:28have enough evidence
37:29for a prosecutor
37:30to charge Ted Bundy
37:32with murder
37:32so he flies
37:34to Seattle
37:34hoping to convince
37:36Bundy's girlfriend
37:37Liz
37:37to talk to him
37:38on three different
37:40occasions on this trip
37:41Thompson interviewed
37:42Liz
37:43about what she knew
37:44about Bundy
37:45what she knew
37:45about the murder kit
37:48maybe I shouldn't
37:49do this
37:50I have a picture here
37:52of all the items
37:53that we took
37:54from his car
38:02I will let you
38:03look at them first
38:05and this is
38:06there is cord
38:08and rope
38:08it's the handcuffs
38:10it's the punch
38:11the gloves
38:12the ski mask
38:13this is a pair
38:14of women's
38:14nylon pantyhose
38:16with eye holes
38:18and a mouth
38:19cut out
38:20it's the flashlight
38:21and this is the crowbar
38:24have you ever seen
38:25what's in that gym bag
38:28no
38:29she's weeping
38:31crying there
38:32isn't she
38:32it sounds like
38:33she's crying
38:34do you hear that
38:35I hear sniffles
38:37like she's
38:37like she's
38:39emotional
38:40very highly unusual
38:43would you say
38:44that any man
38:45would have these things
38:46other than
38:47for what reason
38:48an armed robber
38:49maybe
38:49the handcuffs
38:51the rope bindings
38:53what would you
38:54surmise
38:55they might be
38:55in a person's
38:56possession
38:57to tie somebody up
39:00I would assume
39:01I don't buy
39:03his explanation
39:03for them
39:04he's leaning
39:05or he's very good
39:07the nylon pantyhose
39:09he had an explanation
39:11he put them on
39:13to keep his ears
39:14and his face
39:15warm
39:15when he was skiing
39:16I said
39:17you don't ski
39:18in August
39:18that's the ice pick
39:20I can't answer
39:21that either
39:21what he said
39:23it was just
39:24a house tool
39:25and there was
39:26another
39:26a tire iron
39:30he left my house
39:32right at night
39:32and then he came
39:33back to get that
39:35and he looked
39:36really sick
39:36you know
39:37like he was
39:37hiding something
39:38and I said
39:38what have you
39:39got in your pocket
39:40and he wouldn't
39:41show me
39:41I reached
39:42and grabbed
39:42a surgical glove
39:45weird
39:47she was expecting
39:49an explanation
39:50he walks down
39:51the steps
39:51and gets in
39:51the car
39:52and leaves
39:53and never
39:53says a word
39:57I've wondered
39:57I read in the paper
39:59long ago
40:00that there was
40:00a girl
40:00in Salt Lake
40:01had gotten away
40:03the guy tried
40:04to handcuff
40:05with me
40:05both things
40:05or something
40:06I wondered
40:06if you had shown
40:08his container
40:11yes
40:14you put me
40:15on the spot
40:15don't you
40:18I can't tell you
40:19Liv
40:25she was really
40:26hoping
40:26that his answer
40:27would be
40:28no
40:29she wasn't
40:29able to
40:29identify him
40:31she was still
40:32at this point
40:33very much
40:34hoping that
40:34he was innocent
40:35and anything
40:36she said
40:36would be able
40:37to exclude him
40:39after the interview
40:40Jerry Thompson
40:41obtains a warrant
40:42for Bundy
40:43to appear
40:43in a lineup
40:44for Carol
40:45Durant
40:45as well
40:46as two witnesses
40:47from the
40:47Deborah Kent
40:48disappearance
40:50he's hoping
40:50they'll be able
40:51to identify
40:52Ted
40:53Thompson delivers
40:54this court order
40:55to Bundy's apartment
40:56himself
40:57he had just
40:58got out of the shower
40:59and stained
41:00the door
41:00with a towel
41:02I confronted him
41:03with the paper
41:04not telling him
41:05what it was
41:06and I thought
41:07he was going
41:08to cash out
41:09and he must
41:11have thought
41:11he was about
41:12to be arrested
41:12for one of these
41:13murders
41:14because Thompson
41:15later told me
41:16we could see
41:17his heart beating
41:18out of his chest
41:29he looked at the papers
41:30he was like
41:30oh it's just
41:31a lineup
41:33he thought
41:33at that point
41:34that he could
41:35still get away
41:36with it
41:38detectives
41:38were taking
41:39a big risk
41:39with the lineup
41:40all it takes
41:41is for these people
41:42to say no
41:43he's not the guy
41:44and if that
41:45were to happen
41:50Bundy would walk
41:54and so
41:55the next day
41:56when he came
41:58in there
41:59Thompson's heart
42:00was in his throat
42:00because he thought
42:02she's going to
42:03misidentify him
42:04his hair
42:05is completely
42:05different
42:08the man who
42:09walked in
42:10was clean shaven
42:12no mustache
42:14short hair
42:15and the hair
42:16was parted
42:17on a different side
42:18what the detectives
42:20don't know
42:20is that
42:21the day before
42:22Bundy goes
42:23to a barber shop
42:24cuts his hair
42:26really short
42:26and parts it
42:27on the other side
42:30he was convinced
42:32that he could
42:33do things so well
42:34that they would
42:35never actually
42:35pick him out
42:37he thought
42:38that they wouldn't
42:38be able to
42:39identify him
42:42Carol Durand
42:42instantly picked him
42:44right out
42:44of the bunch
42:45and said
42:45that's the gentleman
42:48he didn't take her
42:49any time at all
42:52that's all
42:52detectives need
42:53to arrest Bundy
42:54for kidnapping
42:55and they throw him
42:56in the Salt Lake
42:57County Jail
42:59later on that day
43:01I confronted him
43:02in the jail
43:03and told him
43:04that he was
43:04under arrest
43:05they were kidnapped
43:06and attempted
43:07criminal homicide
43:08the man at that
43:09time seemed
43:10to breathe easy
43:11his comment was
43:12all hell
43:13or symptoms
43:14is that all
43:15and he seemed
43:16from that point
43:17on a very
43:18relaxed individual
43:19I'm sure he's
43:20I'm sure he's starting
43:20to panic a little
43:21at this point
43:22he was very good
43:23at concealing it
43:23at least in public
43:24view
43:25it wasn't me
43:26I didn't do it
43:27on and on and on
43:28they're not reliable
43:30they're just guessing
43:31and I just let him
43:33ramble
43:34I didn't even answer
43:35him
43:35I was just smiling
43:36inside
43:37knew we had him
43:38and there was nothing
43:39he was going to change
43:40it meant that Bundy
43:42now instead of being
43:44the hunter
43:44he was being
43:45the hunted
43:46because this wasn't
43:47about burglary tools
43:48or this wasn't about
43:50evading police
43:50this was about
43:52kidnapping Carol
43:53de Ranche
43:53and also already
43:56being suspected
43:57in all the other
43:58missing women
44:01when the news
44:02hits the press
44:03that Ted Bundy
44:04has been arrested
44:04for the kidnapping
44:05of Carol de Ranche
44:06in Salt Lake City
44:07the media
44:08back in Seattle
44:09catch on
44:10that Utah Ted
44:11could also be
44:13Seattle Ted
44:14is Utah Ted
44:17Seattle Ted
44:18oh that was
44:19headline
44:20top of the fold
44:22and of course
44:22then the media
44:23really goes wild
44:24Bundy once lived
44:25in both Seattle
44:26and Tacoma
44:27he's charged
44:28in Salt Lake City
44:28with aggravated
44:29kidnap
44:30and attempted murder
44:31once Bundy
44:32was arrested
44:33and was on their radar
44:34they let
44:35Washington State
44:36know it
44:37but through all
44:38the excitement
44:39of the Salt Lake City
44:40arrest
44:40there's one man
44:41here in Seattle
44:41who's not at all
44:42excited
44:43he is Captain
44:44Nick Mackey
44:45Jeannie the reason
44:46Captain Nick Mackey
44:47says he's not excited
44:48is simple
44:49he says Ted Bundy
44:50is not a prime suspect
44:51in the murder
44:52of the Seattle women
44:53the media are the ones
44:54that are making him
44:55the prime suspect
44:56we are not
44:57they thought
44:58well this man
44:59has no criminal
45:00record whatsoever
45:01he's a student
45:03he's in law school
45:04he has a college degree
45:07that he received
45:09with honors
45:09he's clean cut
45:11charismatic
45:12the governor
45:13of Washington
45:14wrote him
45:15a letter of recommendation
45:16to law school
45:17extolling the virtues
45:19of Ted Bundy
45:20there was no reason
45:21to think
45:22someone like that
45:23could be connected
45:24to these sorts
45:25of crimes
45:26we have
45:28quite a few
45:29people
45:30that look
45:31very good
45:32and it's surprising
45:34you get onto
45:35one person
45:35and people tend
45:37to make
45:37their suspect
45:39fit
45:40all the aspects
45:42of Ted
45:43everything we heard
45:44was that
45:45he was
45:46God's gift
45:47to women
45:48and the community
45:49and that
45:50we were way off base
45:51the photograph
45:52of Ted Bundy
45:53was shown
45:53to at least
45:54eight witnesses
45:55from Lake Sammamish
45:56seven positively
45:58said Ted Bundy
45:59was not
45:59the mysterious Ted
46:01one said
46:02he looked
46:02something like
46:03the man
46:04Mackey added
46:04that the pictures
46:05of Ted Bundy
46:06so far
46:06have produced
46:07no results
46:08when showed
46:08to the witnesses
46:09and he said
46:10he has no plans
46:11to send any
46:11county detectives
46:12up to Salt Lake City
46:14but in Colorado
46:15Mike Fisher
46:16looked at it
46:17thinking
46:17no that's not enough
46:18I need to get
46:19a murder warrant
46:20placed against
46:21this guy
46:21we believe
46:22it's Bundy
46:23how are we
46:24going to make
46:25it stick to him
46:31next on
46:32Hunting Bundy
46:33we have asked
46:34Ted to come up
46:35here today
46:35to talk to him
46:36in regards
46:37to numerous
46:38homicides
46:39Ted
46:40have you ever
46:41committed murder
46:42who's to answer
46:43that
46:45convicted kidnapper
46:46Theodore Bundy
46:47has escaped
46:48from jail
46:48in Colorado
46:49now how did
46:50he get out
46:50of the cell
46:51well they
46:52tore a light
46:53fixture out
46:54of there
46:54years ago
46:55he just went
46:56out through there
46:57the monster
46:58has been set
46:59free again
47:08he's done
47:12Raptor
47:14I
47:28I
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