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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 4
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00:11John Derrick Warboys, I'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008, but they won't
00:18be asking you to testify.
00:20I wanted to look the bastard in the eye and tell everybody what he did to me. I wanted to
00:25have my moment in court.
00:26Mr. Warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly, and you drank that too.
00:32Because he forced me to. He's like a professional con man.
00:36You continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm. I therefore pass down on you a minimum custodial term
00:44of eight years.
00:46I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service had looked at all the evidence.
00:51No, I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case.
00:55They lied to me.
00:57Why didn't she flag Dave?
00:58Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime. It was only logged as a crime-related incident.
01:03You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police for the way they treated us.
01:07So you're asking, do I want to sue the police with you?
01:11My advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act.
01:14The only problem is, is that it's never been done before.
01:17Eight years did spook me a bit.
01:19Yeah, he's not getting out.
01:20After eight years, he could apply for parole.
01:22In order to do that, he'd first have to admit to what he's done.
01:36So this is where you'll be working?
01:38Everybody!
01:39This is Carrie Simmons, who's joining the comms team today.
01:42Hey.
01:43Hello.
01:43Hi.
01:43Oh, it's actually, it's Simon's.
01:47And this is Cherry, your new neighbour.
01:50Hi.
01:51I'll leave you to it.
02:10Carrie.
02:11Yeah?
02:12Sorry.
02:12I hope you don't mind me bringing this up, but aren't you the girl who was a victim of that
02:17black cab guy?
02:20The rapist.
02:23Not sure about victim, but yes, I did do some interviews about it.
02:29I understand a lot of women came forward after that, but you have sort of put yourself out there now
02:34as like, that girl.
02:39Oh, well, I, I learnt a lot from that experience about how, you know, the media operates, so hopefully I'm
02:49a bit savvier now.
02:50Hmm.
03:07So, I printed you both a document of all the materials we've received from the Met.
03:12And as predicted, they were mightily pissed off at having to hand it over, and they even said that they
03:17had no desire in the current financial climate to spend disproportionate sums defending a claim that was many years out
03:25of date and legally had no prospect of success.
03:29Well, they can fuck right off.
03:31I couldn't have said it any better myself.
03:34Okay, so, as predicted, the IPCC investigations into both of your cases find the complaints are not substantiated, and the
03:42most serious disciplinary action that they recommended was a few written warnings.
03:47What about telling me that the CPS had reviewed my case when it hadn't?
03:54A genuine mistake.
03:56Okay, and what about not telling me that they found the drugs that he used to sedate me in my
04:02bloodstream?
04:03They actually do find that largely substantiated, but they, they do want to note that the investigating officer at the
04:09time had, um, a heavy workload.
04:12What?
04:13We now know that they didn't search Warboy's house when he was first arrested.
04:17I was told that they did, and that they didn't find anything incriminating.
04:21But actually, the most incredible revelation is of the CCTV footage of you leaving the club that night.
04:29They said that there was no sign of me on the footage.
04:33That's because they were looking at the wrong night.
04:35The 27th.
04:37Not the 26th.
04:38If they had the correct date, they would have seen that you'd left the club at 2am, and they would
04:42have known that Warboy's was lying when he said he picked you up at 3.50.
04:46The initial investigation didn't even analyse your mobile phone data, which would have confirmed when you got into his cab
04:53and where he took you.
04:56It's like a joke.
04:58I'm guessing it doesn't get any funnier for me.
05:00No.
05:01Because almost all the allegations in your case, they say, are not proven.
05:04You saying that you weren't believed?
05:05Not proven?
05:07Being told not to show emotion in your interview?
05:09Well, DC Stevens even denies ever saying that to you, so it's your word against his.
05:13The only concession is that they agree that the guy living in your old flat, Billy Houghton, should have been
05:20interviewed.
05:21And to cap it all off, they've released a statement saying that they have improved training and changed procedures so
05:28that none of this will ever happen again.
05:31It's what they always do.
05:32So, what do we do?
05:35Because, to be honest, this is only making me even more determined.
05:38Yeah, same.
05:39We need somebody who's going to take this on for us in court.
05:41And I have somebody in mind.
05:44A really top barrister.
05:49I've met this guy.
05:52Tell me more.
05:55It was an arranged thing.
05:57My mum insisted on it.
06:00I actually think she would have kicked me out onto the street if I hadn't agreed to it.
06:04What's his name?
06:05What's he like?
06:08He's quite nice, actually.
06:11Arham.
06:13You're a good Muslim boy.
06:15He wore cream chinos.
06:18Good looking.
06:21Not bad.
06:23Are you going to see him again?
06:27I don't know.
06:31I just keep thinking...
06:35What's the point?
06:38I haven't even told my family about what happened to me.
06:41I certainly...
06:43I couldn't tell him.
06:48It's like...
06:51I feel like...
06:55I feel like nobody would want me if they knew.
07:02You know, at some point, you're going to have to talk about it.
07:05And not just with me.
07:08You know, I tried that with Gav at first.
07:11Keeping it all buried, worrying about what you think of me.
07:16It's exhausting.
07:19I couldn't do it anymore.
07:22I realised I had to come to terms with what happened to me, and so I thought, fuck it.
07:26I'm going to tell you whether you want to hear it or not for my sake.
07:31And Gav's not perfect.
07:33I'm sure he'd say I'm not easy to live with either, but...
07:38But to be fair, since I told him, he's been nothing but supportive.
07:45So, maybe give Cream Geno's a chance.
07:55You see, the problem I've got with this programme you're talking about is I would have to tell the truth.
08:00I can't just sit here and tell you lies, sir.
08:04The last thing we want in a treatment programme is for you to lie.
08:10It's just not in me.
08:11So, why don't we begin with you talking about the offences for which you've been convicted?
08:15Well, that's the problem, because I didn't do anything.
08:18I'm an innocent man.
08:21And that's your position?
08:22As far as I'm concerned, any encounters were consensual.
08:25It was all just a bit of harmless fun.
08:28And as for drugging them, that's complete nonsense.
08:34See, I shouldn't be in here, and that's the truth.
08:40I know you no longer call yourself John Warboys.
08:43You now call yourself John Radford.
08:45Where is that?
08:47It's very simple.
08:50The name Warboys is dirt, innit?
08:54Because of what those women said about me, because of their false accusations.
08:58I can't even call myself by my own name anymore.
09:05How is that fair?
09:18It's really late.
09:19Why not give it a rest and pick it up again tomorrow, eh?
09:21That police officer who first looked into my case, DC Stevens,
09:24I kept asking him to talk to Billy Houghton,
09:26the guy that lived in my old flat, because he saw Warboys that night.
09:29Stephen says here that I was reluctant for him to talk to Billy.
09:33What an arsehole.
09:35That's such absolute bollocks.
09:38It says here he has never had any specialist training
09:41for investigations into rape or sexual assault,
09:44and in fact, no training at all since 1989.
09:49I'll see you in the morning.
09:53Don't be too long.
10:03Come!
10:05Ladies, can I introduce you to Philippa Kaufman?
10:11Philippa, this is Sarah, and this is Layla.
10:14Very pleased to meet you.
10:15Hi.
10:15Welcome.
10:16Now, we're about to go in with the police's lawyers
10:19for what's called a structured settlement discussion.
10:22Basically, can we resolve this without going to court?
10:24Is there a non-financial remedy we can explore,
10:27such as a public apology to you?
10:29Can I just ask, is that a possibility?
10:31A public apology from them?
10:32Not a count's chance in hell, I'm afraid,
10:34but it may help our case later on
10:37if we can at least say we tried.
10:39Right.
10:40Ladies, follow me.
10:51Twenty-nine women were attacked by war boys
10:56after he attacked me,
10:57before he was finally arrested.
11:01Twenty-nine.
11:03Those are all individual lives messed up
11:07that didn't need to be.
11:10And those are just the women that we know about.
11:14I mean, there are almost certainly more
11:16who never reported what happened to them.
11:19I was disbelieved and humiliated,
11:21and I don't believe the police
11:24have sufficiently been held to account.
11:26I think the impact of what the police did to me
11:28was worse than the actual rape itself.
11:32Like Layla, I continue to live with a sense of guilt
11:35for all the women that came after me.
11:37Even though I know it's not my fault,
11:40I asked myself,
11:41could I have done more to stop him?
11:43I'm shocked that you won't just admit liability.
11:47The fact that you are fighting this
11:51makes me feel like you still don't believe me.
11:55The police's position is that,
11:58whilst we are, of course,
12:00sympathetic to the undoubted trauma
12:02you have both suffered,
12:04we do not admit any liability
12:06on the part of the Metropolitan Police.
12:08We believe the investigation
12:10into the crimes of John Warboys
12:12was reasonable,
12:13ultimately successful.
12:15Successful?
12:16It took you five years
12:18to work out these attacks were linked.
12:20Year after year,
12:21you've left to roam the streets
12:22and attack other women
12:23when you should have been locked up.
12:30What we would like to do, however,
12:32is to invite you both
12:33to attend a police training program,
12:35present your experiences to the attendees.
12:38The hope is that this would be educational
12:41and beneficial to both sides.
12:44Right.
12:45I think we're down here, ladies.
12:47Harriet.
12:51Fucking training program.
12:53Shh.
12:58Okay, now you can talk.
13:00They've got two hopes of us
13:01talking to this load of trainee policemen
13:03about what happened to us.
13:04Bob hope and no fucking hope,
13:05and you can tell them that from me.
13:07What a patronizing load of all bullshit.
13:10Ladies,
13:11I think we're going to get along
13:12just fine.
13:22I think we're going to get along just fine.
13:42Where's DC Stevens?
13:44It appears the Met
13:45are not going to call him to give evidence.
13:47What?
13:48I suspect that they think
13:49he'll be so undermining to their case
13:51that they want to keep him away at all costs.
13:53Now, the problem is,
13:54if we call him,
13:55we won't be able to cross-examine him
13:57because in cases like this,
13:59that's the rule.
14:00So he won't have to give an account
14:02of himself in court?
14:05I'm sorry.
14:15I'm sorry.
14:16NBV told us that
14:18even after she'd been sick in the toilet,
14:20she still carried on drinking.
14:22Did this have an impact
14:25on your assessment of NBV?
14:27The CCTV footage
14:29of her falling over at the campus
14:31was entirely consistent
14:32with the actions of someone
14:33who had had too much to drink that night.
14:35I thought the whole thing
14:37was odd.
14:39I thought it was odd
14:40that an educated girl
14:42would accept a drink from a stranger
14:43in those circumstances.
14:46DSD told us she had taken
14:47some cocaine with her friends,
14:49and this showed up subsequently
14:50in her blood tests.
14:51Had she also drunk alcohol
14:54that evening
14:55before getting into Warboy's cab?
14:57Well, her friends told us
14:58they'd put her into the cab
14:59after their night out
15:00because she was so out of it.
15:04My conclusion was
15:05that DSD had not sustained
15:07any specific psychiatric injury
15:09as a consequence of the rape.
15:11She had, however,
15:12suffered a depressive episode
15:13as a consequence
15:14of how she'd been dealt with
15:15by the police.
15:17Well, following the assault,
15:20NBV developed symptoms
15:21of post-traumatic stress disorder,
15:23including nightmares,
15:25intrusive imagery,
15:26flashbacks,
15:28avoidance,
15:29anxiety and depression,
15:31poor concentration
15:31and social withdrawal.
15:34She still suffers
15:35from moderate to severe symptoms.
15:37She can be tearful
15:38and experiences mood swings.
15:41And she suffers
15:42from continuing sexual aversion.
15:45and a lack
15:46of sexual enjoyment.
15:54Are you aware,
15:56Inspector Underwood,
15:57of a guide
15:58which outlines
15:59the Met's
15:59standard operating procedures
16:01for investigative techniques
16:03in rape
16:04and sexual assault cases?
16:06I am aware of it, yes.
16:08It lays out detailed steps
16:10and considerations
16:11to be followed
16:11from a starting point
16:13of treating
16:14the victim's account
16:16as truthful,
16:17does it not?
16:19I don't know.
16:22Why not, may I ask?
16:24I just can't recall it
16:25in any detail.
16:26As a member
16:26of one of the Met's
16:28Sapphire teams,
16:30which are
16:30specialist rape
16:32and sexual assault
16:33investigation units,
16:34I find that
16:35quite an extraordinary
16:36thing for you to say.
16:38In my opinion,
16:39it's not something
16:39I consider practical
16:40to apply to each
16:41and every case.
16:43To this case?
16:46I think these policies
16:47are fine in theory,
16:49but they're not always
16:50applicable to
16:51day-to-day policing.
16:53Then why have they
16:54been set out
16:54by the Met
16:55as their guidelines?
16:58I think they have
17:00been created purely
17:02to protect the police
17:03from legal challenges.
17:05If a case is not
17:06classified as a
17:07serious sexual assault,
17:09then details of
17:09the investigation
17:10are not entered
17:11into the criminal
17:11intelligence computer
17:12database, are they?
17:15No.
17:17Meaning, no closing
17:18report would need
17:19to be done, would it?
17:20No.
17:21Is that a good thing?
17:22Honestly,
17:24an opportunity
17:25to not have to do
17:25one would be
17:26taken gladly.
17:28Was there a drive
17:29from your superiors
17:31at Borough Management
17:32to disprove
17:33allegations of
17:34rape and sexual
17:35assault?
17:37Yes.
17:38Why was that?
17:40Because if an
17:41allegation can be
17:42legally disproved,
17:43then it would
17:44improve detection rates.
17:45So junior officers
17:46were effectively
17:47encouraged not to
17:48pursue allegations
17:49of rape and sexual
17:50assault, and instead
17:50to focus on other
17:51crimes, such as
17:52burglary,
17:53which were easier
17:54to clear up.
17:54Is that right?
17:57Broadly speaking,
17:58yes.
18:00Coming now,
18:01DC Coldham,
18:02specifically to the
18:03case NBV.
18:04Even though her
18:05case bore all the
18:06hallmarks of a drug
18:06facilitated sexual
18:07assault, she was not
18:08treated as such,
18:09was she?
18:10Personally, I
18:11believed her account,
18:12but I knew there
18:13was no prospect of
18:14the case being reopened
18:15once the forensic and
18:16toxicology results had
18:17come back as
18:18inconclusive.
18:18even though there
18:19were still many
18:20important leads
18:21still to be
18:21followed up.
18:22Yes.
18:23So under pressure
18:24from on high,
18:26her case was not
18:27recorded as a
18:27serious sexual assault,
18:29supervision from more
18:30senior officers did
18:31not occur, and her
18:32case was not entered
18:33into the databases?
18:35No.
18:35And the case was
18:36cleared up in three
18:37months.
18:38No case closure
18:39report, no detailed
18:41report entered into
18:42the system, and the
18:43borough's clear-up rate
18:44was thereby improved
18:45since the case was
18:46not left as
18:47unsolved.
18:49Like I say, that
18:51was the situation
18:52at the time.
19:03Thanks.
19:04I can't believe you're
19:05still waiting on a
19:06judgment.
19:07Well, this one'll be
19:08born before we hear.
19:09So, how's life then?
19:12I'll be honest, things
19:13are not great with Gav.
19:14Hmm?
19:15It's me.
19:16It's pushed me away.
19:17I know I do.
19:19I just find it so hard
19:21to really let go
19:23emotionally, you know?
19:25He's always been
19:25pretty understanding
19:26though, hasn't he?
19:27Yeah, and he still is.
19:30Sexy shit.
19:32I hate being naked.
19:36I actually hate opening
19:37my fucking legs,
19:38to be honest with you.
19:40Must be like going to
19:41bed with a slab of
19:42marble.
19:43At least he got you
19:44pregnant.
19:45Yeah, I got a bit
19:46of junk that night,
19:46which helped.
19:49Let's just say,
19:50it wasn't entirely
19:51planned.
19:54love, for Jesus,
19:59the strife will not belong.
20:03This day, the noise of battle
20:07pertence the winter song.
20:10To him who overcometh a crown of blood shall be.
20:20He with the gains of glory shall bring eternally.
20:30Let us pray.
20:33Lord, comfort and heal all those who suffer in body, mind or spirit.
20:38Give them courage and hope in their troubles, and bring them joy and salvation.
20:43In your mercy.
20:45Lord, hear our prayer.
20:47That those who face difficult times will find the strength to prevail.
20:51In your mercy.
20:52Lord, hear our prayer.
20:54For the grace this week to live by faith in every circumstance of life.
20:59In your mercy.
21:01Lord, hear our prayer.
21:08Hello.
21:09Hello, Sarah.
21:11Hi.
21:12Hey, what's happening?
21:14I've just got off the phone to Harriet.
21:15The judge said there was clear evidence that I had suffered significant harm over a long period and with you.
21:23But for the failures of the police, you wouldn't have been raped at all.
21:30Well, we won.
21:31No way.
21:33We won.
21:35And they've awarded me 22 grand and you 19.
21:40Fuck.
21:41I'm like, I'm...
21:44I can't...
21:45I'm...
21:45Harriet said she's sure they'll appeal, but...
21:48We should enjoy today.
21:53I'm glad you picked up.
21:55So, tell me.
21:57Did he ask the question?
21:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:00I said yeah.
22:02Layla.
22:03I'm so happy for you.
22:05Yeah, Mom and Dad are throwing us a party.
22:08It's...
22:08All right.
22:09Well, go enjoy it, lovely.
22:11We'll go for a coffee soon.
22:13Yeah.
22:14Yeah, and I can meet your new baby.
22:16Yeah.
22:17All right, I'll see you soon, yeah.
22:18Okay, see you soon.
22:32There you are.
22:35You okay?
22:38The happy twos.
22:44They're all waiting in the garden.
22:47Okay.
22:50Just one sec.
22:52Mm-hmm.
23:16I love you.
23:17I love you.
23:21I love you.
23:24I love you.
23:40I am Dr. Crisati, a consultant, clinical and forensic psychologist.
23:46And I'm here, Mr. Radford, to review your progress.
23:51OK.
23:58Well, I told the other psychologist that I met recently that the time had come for me to change my
24:06stance.
24:08I've withdrawn my application with the Criminal Cases Review Commission to overturn my convictions
24:12and I've decided to accept full responsibility for all my offences.
24:19Can I ask what has brought about this change of heart?
24:23Him.
24:26Up there.
24:28The Lord Jesus Christ has shown me the way.
24:34I felt so guilty, I didn't know who to speak to.
24:39And then I found religion and I decided that, you know, if I'm going to follow the Lord, I've got
24:44to be honest and admit to what I've done.
24:49Let's talk about what happened.
25:02I always felt guilty about my offences.
25:07To begin with, I maintained some hope that my convictions would be overturned and I might be released.
25:15But I can see now that this is unrealistic.
25:17And so, I've decided to use this as a motivation for me to take responsibility for what I've done.
25:28You know, to let these women know how sorry I am.
25:36And to be honest, you know, to talk about everything, I hope that they will be okay and get on
25:50with their lives.
25:51I really do.
25:54I'm sorry, can I get a tissue?
25:59Sorry.
26:02Do you think you're ready to start the sexual offenders treatment programme?
26:10That's what he's telling me.
26:15I'm sorry.
26:20Hello, y'all.
26:22As-salamu alaykum bittah.
26:24Alaikum salam.
26:27Hello.
26:30How are you both?
26:32We'll get them on to sleep, but, yeah.
26:34We're good.
26:36I'll go and make some tea.
26:38Shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh.
26:44House is looking smart.
26:50Is that the climate change?
26:50What would you like to hold her?
26:53Can I?
26:55Yes, yes, yes.
26:58Yes, yes.
26:59As-salamu alaykum.
27:00What would you like to say?
27:03Shh.
27:04Shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh.
27:07She's so beautiful.
27:12You know, I've only ever wanted the best for you.
27:15Hmm? You know that?
27:19I know. I know.
27:24Adam is a good man.
27:27Yeah.
27:30He is.
27:48You got knocked back then?
27:51On your parole?
27:57I told him about finding God.
28:01I put me hands up to it all.
28:03I told him how remorseful I am.
28:06That only get you so far, mate.
28:09In my experience, you need to give him a reason.
28:12What do you mean?
28:14The reason why you started doing what you were doing in the first place.
28:17You can't do that.
28:19They're never going to believe that you know how to stop.
28:25She was an old girlfriend, you know?
28:27I don't really want to talk about her.
28:29I mean, can I, you know, talk about someone completely innocent?
28:34Whoever this person is, they can be anonymised in any reports.
28:42Well, she left me.
28:44When was this?
28:46Well, it was about, uh, summertime 2005.
28:52And I was really cut up about it.
28:54You know, and then we were sort of on off and...
28:58And then I remember about a year later, she phoned me
29:01and asked me to come and pick her up and take her back to mine.
29:04And I was excited about this.
29:06But when I got to this bar, she was absolutely hammered.
29:10They're totally drunk.
29:13All I could do was take her home to her mum's.
29:16And I was on me own again.
29:18I kept absolutely furious.
29:32That night, I went looking for someone.
29:36That would have been the first one.
29:38That was around...
29:40September, October 2006.
29:46And then it just grew from now.
29:48The truth was, I only gave them half a tablet
29:51because I didn't want to do them too much harm.
29:56And then when they were out of it, I'd just...
30:01Touch their leg or look up their skirts.
30:04I sort of...
30:07Played with myself.
30:08I only actually put my penis inside one of them.
30:15That's all.
30:16For maybe...
30:20Four seconds.
30:21I mean, I don't blame her, my ex.
30:24You know, I take full responsibility for me actions.
30:31I can see now that that was the trigger.
30:38Do you want a cereal or toast?
30:42Uh...
30:42Toast, please.
30:44There you go.
30:45You take that.
30:48Hey!
30:48Oh, no!
30:49It's toast falling.
30:50Yes!
30:51Hi!
30:51Hi!
30:55Good.
30:58Dance.
30:58Good.
30:58Can you take over a sec?
31:00Dance before you eat.
31:02Now let's dance.
31:19it can't be true it's the same as before we just find out about it from the telly they all
31:24said
31:25they were confident they wouldn't get out of prison it's bullshit it's just more fucking
31:30bullshit he's attacked over a hundred women how can anyone think it's safe to let him back out on
31:38the streets because we are not allowed to know the reasoning the biggest problem we have is trying
31:44to understand why they approved this because they live on mars but why weren't we even consulted
31:51because the system doesn't take into account the views of the victim when these things are decided
31:56the criminal gets a place at the table the parole board the ministry of justice do too but the
32:00views of the victim are not even considered so we just have to stand by and watch once they let
32:05him
32:05out well no we have to bring pressure on david gawk the justice secretary we'll get him to order a
32:12judicial review of the decision on the grounds that it was legally irrational to release war boys and
32:17we have to move fast one thing we have been able to find out is that as late as 2015
32:23he was denied
32:24transfer from a high security prison to a lower security open prison on the grounds that he
32:29posed an unacceptable risk yet two years later they're saying he's suitable for pro that sounds
32:35pretty irrational to me the thought of him being released in just a few weeks is
32:45it's terrifying listen to me we are going to fight to stop that from happening we are going to scrap
32:52and we are going to fight we've got to go leila no they'll be wondering where i am i'll go
33:00after her
33:01make sure she's all right
33:06but this is a fucking disgrace
33:14you know i've heard there's a lot of people who are very unhappy with today's decision whispers that
33:19labor and the lib dems might even call for an inquiry well that will certainly shove it under david
33:25gork's hooter we need to keep it there we need to make a lot of noise and quickly well i
33:32had a very
33:33interesting phone call from carrie simons this afternoon she gave evidence of the original trial
33:38yes i remember her well now she works for the conservative party press office and she phoned to
33:45say how angry she was and to offer her services oh yeah yeah so i think she'd be very useful
33:52in lobbying david gork
33:55war boys never once showed remorse he described his behavior as banter and insisted that the women
34:03accusing him of rape who took to the stand in tears shattered by the experience had in fact wanted
34:12to have sex with him the decision to free him was made a few months ago by a parole board
34:17panel
34:17we don't know who made up this panel and we don't know how and why they came to this decision
34:25hi david uh just two minutes once you're done please i'll catch you i just wondered if you might
34:33want to read this op-ed piece that i've written what's it about the war boys parole board decision
34:39you know that decision was based on the reports from several psychologists i think he's pulled the wool over
34:44their eyes you might not know this but as a young woman i was drugged by him in the back
34:51of his taxi
34:52and i just thought full disclosure as justice secretary you should know what i've said here okay i'll have
34:59read thank you moving down to bell marsh then john not long to go now is it from there by
35:20the grace of god
35:23i'll be released free man
35:38i would just like to say that i was uh just as surprised as you all probably were when i
35:44was
35:44asked to take this job on but i was pleasantly surprised i promised to give it my all
35:51thank you
35:58congratulations youngest ever head of comms
36:01you've done so well thank you
36:05i do have just um a small fly i must put in the ointment though david gawk told me that
36:11the moj will
36:12not be pursuing a judicial review of that parole board decision on john warwick why not he said
36:18something about legal advice but then he's gonna get out fuck shit carrie i'm telling you this is
36:26a friend okay but people have been saying you've been a bit distracted lately well then they can
36:31mind their own business come on i'm just saying don't let this stuff get in the way of what's really
36:36important okay why you're actually here your career is taking off carrie don't blow it now
36:47i really thought david fucking gawk would get behind us this is so disappointing my guess is he's
36:53looked at all of this and he's thinking his department doesn't come out of its milling of roses so what
36:57can we do now we can push for a review of the decision on behalf of sarah and leila can
37:02we do
37:03that i'm not sure private individuals will have the legal standing but we can certainly give it a
37:07try money is going to be a problem though the rules have changed since the human rights case it's now
37:12no longer possible to take out insurance against losing meaning that sarah and leila would be
37:16personally responsible for the parole board's legal costs if we lost precisely we need to raise money
37:22fast but by going against the government you could be risking your career i'm on it yes it is a
37:30letter
37:30that i've been asking london mps to sign a lot of them already have protesting against the parole board's
37:36decision the women he attacked are fighting to have his parole overturned and maybe this is something
37:43that your paper could take a more detailed look at and hey if you do decide to print don't forget
37:49to
37:49include the details of the crowd justice link at the bottom of your story okay well i'll talk to my
37:53editor and we'll keep in touch all right uh we're still being contacted by women who say that they
37:57are victims of war boys in the last few days i spoke to a woman in bournemouth who's convinced that
38:03eventually more victims will come forward from that area because he also drove his cab down there
38:07how about the appeal for donations to help with legal support well we've been completely overwhelmed by
38:13the level of support that we've received since opening our crowd justice page the
38:17donations have been pouring in for which we are incredibly grateful
38:33rehabilitated he denied everything until nine months before the first time he could apply for
38:38parole hmm and then he found god right conveniently just in time for parole he saw the light
38:45only gave half a tamazepam says he only raped one woman penis inside vagina for four seconds wait a minute
38:55yes here
38:57says he only started offending in 2006 after the breakup with his girlfriend
39:04yes i'm just saying that oh thank you lord
39:19go on you two i'm just really late
39:24it's going to be really good for connor okay right hold the bell right there okay
39:32okay there he is it's exciting
39:38be good guys go on run up there's cakes up there bye thanks so much for doing this
39:46right i knew what happened on half term uh jack's with his mate so it's not a problem you know
39:51i'm happy to help
39:52how's things at home um not great uh gab's actually moved out now so okay sorry to hear
40:04anyway i beg i go and i'll be late but thanks again and i'll see you later all right good
40:09luck
40:15hi hi hi i'm running late are you nearly there yet i'm sorry i didn't get on the train
40:24i'm not coming down i just i suddenly thought the idea of seeing him again
40:31i just can't do it yeah i don't know how you can face going back to that horrible time
40:36sarah because i want to have my moment in court with him today sorry i know i'm letting you down
40:43no you're not listen if that's what you want to do what you need to do
40:49fuck it fuck them whatever works i am sorry stop apologizing okay okay listen i'm gonna have to go
40:58one of those i'll be late but um i'll let you know how it goes okay okay thank you okay
41:01bye bye
41:23i'm gonna have to go to court to justice please
41:52thank you
42:02my lord this is a unique case in which someone who has been granted his freedom
42:09has then had it taken away from him if ever there was a case for the use of the judicial
42:16review jurisdiction to be exercised with the greatest care and anxious scrutiny this is that case
42:31we say that mr warboys has been seriously minimizing the nature and extent of his offending
42:37and has been dishonestly manufacturing his explanation furthermore we say the board has
42:43failed to take into account critical evidence evidence which it was not in its discretion to ignore
42:49evidence which if it was going to reach a lawful decision it had to take into account in the notes
42:57of the sessions attended with the psychologists mr warboys admits responsibility only for those
43:04offenses for which he was convicted a total of 19 offenses carefully selected by the crown prosecution
43:12service as you can see as you can see from their statement so as to not overload the indictment
43:19these offenses were against a total of 12 women and war boys says his offending began in september october
43:292006 but let's look then at what evidence is out there because that evidence paints a very very
43:37very different picture to the one presented by mr war boys to the parole board
43:41the police's conclusion having investigated all of the offenses that resulted in the charges brought
43:48against mr war boys is that he committed offenses against a total of 105 women
44:00we submit this is very powerful evidence that mr war boys offending was more extensive than anything
44:09he has admitted and crucially we can see from the evidence given to the police by the witness dsd
44:18we can see that his offending went back to at the very least may 2003
44:28that is more than three years before the date he says is when he began offending which blows out of
44:37the water the parole board's assessment that he has taken full responsibility for his offenses
44:41or that he has been open and honest in his account
44:45so
44:54ah
45:00so
45:02so
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