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02:29reporter that the involvement of Profit, a private citizen, in the coup attempt on Ile
02:34Pavot will be linked to elements of the intelligence community, all the way to the Council of Security
02:39Advisors and its chairman, retired Admiral Walter Stryken, whose office is located in
02:44the White House. The arrival of the first witness, that process, is about to begin.
02:48This is Barbara Elkin in Washington.
02:58The Senate chamber is now here.
02:59Admiral Stryken's office.
03:01Is the admiral in?
03:02Who's calling, please?
03:03Herb Ketcher. It's vital that I...
03:04I'm sorry. The admiral's not in right now.
03:06Well, when do you expect him?
03:07I'm not sure, but if you'd like to leave a message...
03:09I've called him 12 times in the last two days. He has my number.
03:12Then we will be getting back to you.
03:13Yeah, fine. Thank you.
03:23We are now just moments away from the start of these Senate investigative hearings.
03:28Senator Pickering's ten-member committee of...
03:29Where's Lococo?
03:31He's upstairs.
03:34Anything from on high about getting him immunity?
03:36Well, last time I asked the RD, his exact words to me were,
03:40Frank, we're the bureau. Lococo's an agency, ma'am.
03:43We do not cross-pollinate.
03:45That stinks, man.
03:47I'm surprised he's not watching this, seeing how it's his butt in a witness chair tomorrow.
03:50Yeah, we like to see unexpected.
03:53He does it, too.
03:55You know, I never thought he'd agree to stay here under wraps.
03:58What are the choices they have?
03:59He's turning over on a lot of powerful people.
04:03He's gotta know that Ketcher and his friends would love to drill him a third eye.
04:08Well, Christmas came early for me this year, Frank.
04:12The subpoena from the committee, it's like a present under the tree.
04:17And what makes you think those senators are gonna believe what you have to say?
04:21I was there when the whole yield for vote thing was taking shape.
04:23I know Ketcher was behind him.
04:24Ketcher will discredit your testimony in two seconds.
04:28What are you talking about? I'm a federal agent.
04:30That committee subpoenaed you because you are Vinnie Terranova,
04:33former employee of the former male prophet.
04:35Now, you can say what you want about Herb Ketcher and the plot to overthrow,
04:39but sooner or later, Senator Getzloff and her pack of wolves
04:42are gonna get their chance at you.
04:43And I will bet you dollars to donuts she's gonna ask you what it felt like
04:47to pull the trigger for Sonny Steelgrave.
04:50You're still in the game, Vince.
04:53Orders are, if you're subpoenaed, you are not to testify as an agent.
04:57Hey, look, I wanna get Ketcher, and I'm willing to put myself on the line to do it.
05:01But I'm not willing to ruin the rest of my life for nothing.
05:03Now, what does that mean?
05:04Look, Frank, you may think this job is who you are, but I don't.
05:08I wanna get the hell out of it someday.
05:11I wanna fight with my wife and play with my kids,
05:13worry about my taxes and crabgrass.
05:15But if I testify on national television as a button man for the mob,
05:19none of that is ever gonna happen.
05:21Because as far as anybody I care about is concerned, I'd be a leper.
05:25So I'm either gonna appear before the committee
05:26as Vinnie Terranova OCB operative, or I'm not gonna appear at all.
05:35Could we bring this hearing room to order, please?
05:39Mr. Lalonde, would you please stand?
05:42Raise your right hand.
05:44Henri Lalonde, do you swear that the testimony
05:47you're about to give this committee is the truth,
05:49and that you testify without reservation or purpose of evasion?
05:53I do.
05:54Senator Delaney?
05:56I wanna welcome you, Mr. Lalonde.
05:58Is it fair to say that you have advocated the overthrow
06:02of the recognized government of Ile-Pavot?
06:04It is a totalitarian regime which cedes power by fraudulent means.
06:09So you have advocated the overthrow of a recognized government, haven't you?
06:13Surely even you, Senator Delaney, would agree
06:16that excising this cancer of despotism in the hemisphere
06:19would be of interest not only to my people,
06:23but to the United States as well.
06:25By what means would you excise this cancer?
06:28The chains of a people cannot be broken merely by words.
06:31So we're talking a mercenary invasion?
06:33Followed by a free and democratic election.
06:36That you would win?
06:37Only if it were the will of the people.
06:39Mr. Chairman, does the Senator need a simpler explanation
06:43of free and democratic?
06:44Mr. Chairman, this is my time, isn't it?
06:46Well, I wasn't aware that this time belonged to any one individual,
06:49Mr. Chairman, but to the American people.
06:53I may be wrong, but I thought this time belonged to the searching for truth.
06:59Indeed, Mr. Chairman.
07:01Who first proposed the idea of a coup by which you became president of Ile-Pavot?
07:06My friend, Herbert Ketcher.
07:09Are you aware that Mr. Ketcher is a member of the United States Intelligence Community?
07:13Yes.
07:13Who was going to hire and equip the mercenaries who were going to stage the invasion?
07:17Herbert Ketcher.
07:18Admiral Strichen's office.
07:19I have to speak to the admiral now. I don't give a damn about it.
07:22I'm sorry, the admiral's not available.
07:23I am being crucified. He has to speak to me. I will not be ignored.
07:27The admiral has your number. We'll get back to you later.
07:29Any senior official, any member of the Council of the Security Advisors.
07:32Did he ever mention the name of retired Admiral Strichen?
07:34Chairman of that council.
07:35No.
07:36In all the time you worked with him, he never said a single word about who he was working for.
07:40It was my belief he was working for the cause of freedom, which I'm sure you are, Senator.
07:47This whole thing is being laid on me, me alone.
07:50If you think I am going to slowly twist in the wind without company...
07:54That's what these are for.
07:56Affidavits registering you as a representative of a foreign government.
08:00Sign them. We'll back date.
08:02We'll use them to support the notion that you were engaged in political re-education on Ile Pavot.
08:07That you had no idea that Lalonde was planning an invasion.
08:11Lenhard, the committee's not deaf.
08:13They heard the man say with immunity that I was the one.
08:16He has no documentation.
08:19But you can produce proof of payments to him in the amount of seven million dollars.
08:24Payments we intended for Democratic Voice of the Caribbean broadcasts.
08:29Publication of pro-Western pamphlets and filmic documentaries.
08:33But which he rerouted to the accounts of fictitious corporations for his personal use.
08:39He's a thief, Herb. His character can easily be brought into question.
08:43That's the tack the Admiral strongly feels that we have to take.
08:52The Admiral is well aware of the role that you've played in the program.
08:57And he appreciates the loyalty that you've shown him.
09:00He believes when loyalty is received, it must be returned.
09:11There are smooth waters ahead, Herb.
09:22So when are the marshals picking you up?
09:249.45.
09:2510 o'clock, I'll be in front of the committee.
09:27By the end of the day...
09:28Listen, Frank's talking with the brass about getting you immunity.
09:31Immunity?
09:33Couldn't mean less to me.
09:35You're talking to a man whose future is a thing of the past.
09:39Remember my friend Bobby Carl?
09:41He's gonna train my mercenaries for that invasion?
09:43Yeah.
09:44He and I spent three tours at NAM.
09:46He came back, moved to Utah.
09:48Survivalist.
09:49He could sense danger like an animal.
09:53Check it out.
09:59Gee, I guess he didn't see that two-ton truck bearing down on him at 80 miles an hour.
10:07They're not gonna get me, Vince.
10:10Running all the time is a rotten way to live.
10:12No, you missed the point.
10:13See, when the end comes, I want it to be on my terms.
10:16Why don't you take the immunity, or at least the witness program?
10:19Oh, forget about it.
10:20Your deal.
10:25Remember that day at that motel in Stockton?
10:28You're sitting around trying to buy artillery from that clown by the pool?
10:32Man, I fell for your act like a kid in short pants.
10:36And when Ketcher would order me to whack you, I'd always find some reason not to do it.
10:43All of a sudden, it's starting to make sense to me.
10:47You and I were flip side of the same coin, brother.
10:51So you got a subpoena, too?
10:53Yeah.
10:54What are you gonna do about it?
10:58The OCB wants me to testify as a hood, which means my testimony's a joke.
11:04Well, from their point of view, it makes perfect sense.
11:07They don't want to lose a player.
11:08And their point of view is the only point of view that they're looking at.
11:11Vinny, you're a jerk!
11:13You play by their rules, and what have you got to show for it?
11:16Nothing.
11:18And when you go down in a hail of gunfire, they're gonna pretend you never even existed.
11:22Your mother will get a nice letter of condolence and 300 bucks a month.
11:25At least I got to keep some of my ill-gotten gains.
11:28Been squalling it away?
11:29You better believe it.
11:32For a long and cold winter.
11:35That's if I make it through the fall.
11:37If I don't, maybe I'll put a log in the fire for you and Mama Terranova.
11:41Hey, I don't want your money, Roger.
11:43Hey, man, you saved my life a couple of times.
11:45I want to even up the score.
11:47The only way you can do that is throw your badge down in front of that committee.
11:51Corroborate my testimony as a federal agent.
11:55And that's something your boys will never let you do.
12:18Hello?
12:19Walter.
12:20Herb Ketcher.
12:21I've got company.
12:22I'll have to call you back.
12:30Yes?
12:31How's it going, Nat?
12:32I'm fine.
12:33Who's this?
12:33Herb Ketcher.
12:42Hello?
12:42Don't hang up on me, Gordy.
12:44Huh?
12:44Yeah.
12:45Get real, Herb.
12:46I can't talk to you.
12:47Yeah, nobody can talk to me.
12:48I mean, what happened to the men who...
13:12Discreet escort?
13:13Yeah.
13:15Um...
13:16I need, uh, company.
13:20Mr. Ketcher?
13:22Herb.
13:23I'm Monique Herb.
13:31Do you always keep it this dark in here?
13:33Right now, I do.
13:37I understand.
13:39I've been following the hearings.
13:41Great.
13:42An educated tart.
13:44Sorry, nothing personal.
13:46Of course not.
13:49You probably feel all alone.
13:52Unprotected.
13:54You're taking all the flack.
13:56No wonder you need company.
13:59Your stomach feels like a gravel pit.
14:02There are people who care about you, though.
14:04I'm here.
14:31I'm here.
14:33You too.
14:39Damn it.
14:49If you're rushing to leave, I can never get dressed that quickly.
14:52Yeah.
14:54Well...
14:54Let yourself out.
14:57Can we do this again?
14:58Any time.
14:59I'll leave my private number on your nightstand.
15:04You're beautiful.
15:13And as my grandmother used to say, may you be a long time in heaven before the devil knows you're
15:18gone.
15:18Yeah.
15:21The test of your medal are moments like these.
15:24To see if a man's prepared to cross the Rubicon.
15:30Excuse me.
15:31I have to go potty.
15:33To see if you're hungry.
15:35Thing.
16:02I'll leave, too.
16:07Didn't Lenhardt talk to you?
16:10Lococo's testifying tomorrow.
16:12He's gonna crucify me.
16:13The only thing we have to fear, Herb.
16:18Lococo's testimony isn't worth spit.
16:20He's a lunatic renegade off on some illusionary mission.
16:25And that's how we'll paint him.
16:27Your testimony will mute, Lalance.
16:29You are doing your duty, keeping the lines open
16:32with a potential sympathetic foreign leader.
16:36Terranova's with the OCB.
16:38You are looking at diminished capacity in its raw state.
16:42Now get a grip on yourself.
16:45Our mission is scrubbed.
16:48The OCB can't afford to let Terranova testify as an agent.
16:52He's too valuable to be given up for a failed mission.
16:55He'll testify, but as one of Lococo's thugs.
16:58Now how much weight do you think that carries?
17:02My skin.
17:03My skin's being torn off.
17:06Look for the logic.
17:08How else can they play it?
17:11You'll be left with a few battle scars.
17:13That's all.
17:14You're doing the noble thing.
17:16And I'll see to it.
17:18That you get everything that you justifiably deserve.
17:21That's a promise.
17:23But, uh, you and I haven't had contact.
17:28Not now.
17:30Not for the last two years.
17:31Except for the, uh, infrequent casual telephone chat.
17:36Stay here another five minutes.
17:39We should avoid being seen together.
17:44Hey, Herb, quit worrying about Lococo.
17:46This is yourself.
17:47Let's go.
17:52Hello.
17:56Let's go.
17:58Let's go.
17:59Let's go.
18:01Let's go.
18:02Oh, let's go.
18:02Here we go.
18:04Whoa.
18:05What did you do?
18:09Let's go.
18:11Get out of here.
18:24Will this committee come to order, please?
18:28You're a certified war hero, aren't you, Mr. Lococo?
18:32I serve my country, sir.
18:34And after serving your country, you were recruited by the CIA?
18:38I became a field operative after the fall of Saigon, yes, sir.
18:43And you were recruited by?
18:45Herb Ketcher.
18:47And what did Mr. Ketcher order you to do while under his supervision?
18:51I was involved in various covert activities from 1974 to 1986.
18:58People I work with might be in jeopardy by any further comment on those activities.
19:04But you were basically murdering people.
19:06Mr. Chairman, is Senator Getzloff been given carte blanche to interrupt me?
19:10I apologize.
19:12It's just hard for me to sit here in silence knowing that you're making this murderer out to be a
19:16hero.
19:17This is intolerable.
19:18We will try and remember this is the United States Senate and not the D.C. dog pound.
19:27I admire your concern for your colleagues, Mr. Lococo.
19:31This operation was done in the name of national security.
19:35Mr. Lococo.
19:35Yes, sir.
19:36According to who?
19:38Herb Ketcher.
19:39You were under direct orders from Herbert Ketcher?
19:42Yes, sir.
19:43And did Mr. Ketcher's orders include murdering people?
19:46No.
19:54I believed I was acting in the best interest of our nation.
19:58So did Adolf Icke.
19:59Mr. Chairman.
20:00This man is a confessed murderer.
20:02A terrorist.
20:04And now he's looking to lay off his actions on a patriotic American.
20:09Madam Senator.
20:10The program of this committee are specifically Ile Pavot and Mr. Lococo's involvement with mail process.
20:18We're going to recess for the weekend.
20:20Mr. Chairman, Mr. Lococo must finish testifying today.
20:23He is at significant risk.
20:25Mr. Lococo is well protected.
20:28These hearings are recessed for the weekend.
20:34They want me to testify as a button man.
20:37Asking an awful lot, aren't they?
20:39Damn right they are.
20:40Thanks for the help, Uncle.
20:43They want the world to see you as a hired killer.
20:45Hey, man, they're nailing Roger to a cross.
20:47They're going to put one up for me and Ketcher's going to get off as some innocent who got conned
20:50by two hitmen.
20:51They come clean.
20:52They're going to tell the world you were undercover for the OCB.
20:55What other choice do I got?
20:57What about going behind the screen?
20:58Oh, come on, Frank.
21:00What kind of truth is delivered in a brown paper bag?
21:02Who's going to believe it?
21:05Now, the only way Roger's testimony has any legitimacy is if I come out and say what I know in
21:09the light of day.
21:11I'm not going to send out notes from under a rock.
21:14Out in the open as an OCB agent, that'll say something.
21:17That's right.
21:18You won't be able to go back under.
21:20Well, I don't know that I want to.
21:22Yeah, that'll make it hard on other guys under.
21:24Organizations they've infiltrated will be taking a real hard look at all their employees.
21:29Yeah, but that'll pass.
21:31Some old acquaintances might recognize you as the enemy, might come gunning for you.
21:35Yeah, but you live with that anyway.
21:38Maybe the entire program comes under scrutiny.
21:40Maybe it folds, but you will have an honest moment.
21:43Maybe it's worth it.
21:48Even if it is self-indulgent.
22:04Thanks for coming down, Uncle.
22:06I needed the support.
22:07You carry more weight with him than anybody.
22:09Yeah, well, we got him thinking anyway.
22:15Vince?
22:19How does it look, Frank?
22:20Just what you want?
22:21Come on, Vince.
22:23This is it, right?
22:24This is how I go before the nation as Agent X.
22:38What the hell did I end up here?
22:45Ah, most honorable Vince.
22:48Chinese downstairs.
22:50No, thanks.
22:54What's this?
22:55Going to a masquerade?
22:57It's a proper attire for the Inquisition, isn't it?
23:00Look, Vince, you do this thing, you do it for yourself.
23:04You don't do it for me.
23:08All I ever wanted was to be a cop.
23:13I had this naive notion about keeping it simple.
23:18You hurt somebody, you're out of here.
23:22Take something that isn't yours, psst, you're gone.
23:27I joined the Bureau because I figured, you know,
23:30that's the ultimate cop.
23:32Yeah.
23:35Then you realize that it's okay to break the law,
23:39just so long as you don't transgress policy.
23:51Take the driver and check the breath.
23:54Stay down.
23:55No kidding.
23:57You're supposed to stay away from the windows in the front.
24:00He's gone, Frank.
24:01How do you know?
24:02Because I would be.
24:04I'm out of here.
24:05The hell you are.
24:07I am not taking my last breath as a sitting duck.
24:09You're going to stay and you're going to testify again.
24:12Mr. McPike?
24:17Area's clean.
24:18No sign of anyone.
24:20There's a car in the garage.
24:21I want the keys.
24:22You're going to stay and you're going to testify.
24:24I have to be alive to do that.
24:29Give them the keys, Frank.
24:31Are you kidding me?
24:32I can't do that.
24:33That's exactly what they think.
24:35That's why it's the only way I'm likely to get out of here with my skin.
24:41Go on.
24:42Give them the keys.
24:48Thanks.
24:51We'll never see him again.
24:53He'll be there.
24:54If he isn't, then we'll light a candle and pray for his soul.
24:57Oh.
25:01All right.
25:09Oh.
25:14Ah.
25:15Oh.
25:18Oh.
25:21Oh.
25:22Oh.
25:30Vinny, put the gun down, I'm alone.
25:34You followed?
25:35Yeah, for a while.
25:38I don't know if it was the company or the bureau, but whoever it was, halfway to Baltimore by now.
25:42I've been turning this city upside down since you split last night.
25:48Nice to be wanted.
25:50Tell McPike not to worry.
25:52I'll be in the witness chair on Monday morning.
26:00Where'd you get that?
26:01Well, Mel's a little bit of a squirrel himself.
26:04But this is nothing.
26:08These signature cards provide the bearer with access to three of Mel's Swiss accounts.
26:12You know how much?
26:13I got a rough idea.
26:15Let me smooth it out for you.
26:17Over a hundred million.
26:20If things go down the way I think they will, it's all yours.
26:27Do with it what you want.
26:28We're going back to the safe house, Roger.
26:31The hell we are.
26:34Take your hands off of it.
26:35I'm trying to help you.
26:37Take your hands off of me.
26:39Son of a bitch.
26:40There might be a way out of this if you give me a chance to find it.
26:43Why are you going to play the martyr?
26:44I've got to go about this my own way.
26:48I thought you of all people would understand.
27:01I'll be in touch, Buckwheat.
27:11Oh, God.
27:21It's alright.
27:24To strain your under herb, just knowing that you want me is enough.
27:30It's okay.
27:31Dan Lococo.
27:34Fifty million people heard him say I was some kind of psychotic zealot.
27:40But when you take the stand, you can tell them the truth.
27:43You can tell them all who gave you your orders.
27:45No, no, no.
27:47I have a responsibility to protect my superiors as they have to protect me.
27:52That's a sacred responsibility, Monique.
27:56Yes.
28:01You're a man of honor.
28:11I have another client.
28:14He's been watching the hearings, too.
28:16He wanted me to let you know if there's anything he can do for you.
28:19I mean, anything at all.
28:20It would be his privilege.
28:22Legal fees, whatever.
28:25What does he do?
28:27I think he's in publishing.
28:31I'll keep it in mind.
28:33Yeah.
28:50Quiet, please.
28:53Counselor, is your client Mr. Lococo present?
28:56Uh, Mr. Chairman, I'm afraid he is not.
28:59You realize your client's buttoned right up against a charge of contempt.
29:03I have not communicated with Mr. Lococo since, uh, Friday night, when the attempt was made on his life.
29:12Counselor, you have ten minutes to produce your client or this committee release your warrant.
29:28I apologize for being late, Mr. Chairman.
29:30I'm reminding the witness he's still under oath.
29:33We only have a few questions left.
29:35Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
29:37Senator Getslow.
29:38During the time you worked for Mel Profitt, how many people did you kill?
29:43I really don't know, Senator.
29:45Well, I realize it's tough keeping track.
29:47Excuse me, Senator.
29:48With all due respect, um, I'm not going to make excuses for what I've done.
29:53The people I associated with were drug traffickers, sellers of human beings.
29:57It was absolutely vital that I set my cover with Mel Profitt.
30:01Convince him that I was a loyal and reliable employee,
30:06so that I could eventually direct him towards the plan to take over Il Pavo.
30:10And that was a course of action you decided to take entirely on your own?
30:14No, Senator, let me make this absolutely clear.
30:16That was a plan outlined to me by Herb Ketcher.
30:20No further questions at this time?
30:22Mr. LoCocco, why did you blow the whistle on the Il Pavo operation?
30:27I was lied to, Senator.
30:29It came to my attention that the beneficiary of the takeover of Il Pavo
30:33was not going to be the people of Il Pavo nor the people of the United States,
30:40but rather Henry Lalonde and his, um, friends at Unified Bottling Corporation.
30:45Now, you've come before this committee without a grant of immunity
30:48and obviously at great personal peril. I'd like to know why.
30:54I've left a lot of friends lying under crosses all over this globe.
30:59They died for something more than increased profits for corporate Americana.
31:05For them, freedom wasn't some abstract idea.
31:08It was as tangible and as personal as the right to make up your own mind
31:12about how you want to live.
31:18That's why I'm here, Senator. I'm here because they can't be.
31:22Thank you, Mr. LoCocco.
31:24Mr. LoCocco, your excuse pending further investigation of these allegations against you.
31:29Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
31:32This committee now calls Herbert W. Ketcher.
31:41I don't think you realize what you've done.
31:45Oh, yes, I do, Herb. Yes, I do.
31:56Raise your right hand, please.
31:59Herbert W. Ketcher, do you swear the testimony you're about to give this committee is the truth
32:04and that you testify without reservation on purpose of evasion?
32:07I do, Mr. Chairman.
32:09No, ma'am. Thank you.
32:11Your love.
32:12Your understanding of the purpose of the money that you gave to Mr. LoCocco...
32:16They just okayed LoCocco for the witness program.
32:19Frank, that's great.
32:21He won't go for it, will he?
32:23No.
32:24Thanks for taking the shot.
32:26You expect to hear from him?
32:27He said he'd be in touch if he's able to. I'm sure he will.
32:30This witness has every right to present him.
32:33Mr. Ketcher, please continue, if you will.
32:37I know nothing about mercenaries, Senator Delaney.
32:40Mr. LoCocco said you ordered him to procure and train them.
32:43In 1974, I judged Roger LoCocco to be one of the finest young men I'd ever met.
32:49But as our association continued, it became clear to me that he suffered from certain delusionary conditions,
32:56a sense of paranoia, an inability to deal with stress in a logical, non-confrontational manner,
33:02and an almost blind ambition that renders him unable to see the subtleties that many of our operations require.
33:09And to what do you attribute that, Mr. Ketcher?
33:12Agent Orange.
33:15Mr. Ketcher, an expert of the investigation report.
33:17I mean, what kind of evidence can he produce that indicates Mr. LoCocco was ever exposed to that defoliant,
33:21let alone ingested quantities of...
33:24Mr. Chairman, I ask your...
33:26I'll move off that for a moment.
33:28What did Admiral Strykin have to do with Operation Il Povot?
33:32His involvement was spiritual.
33:34Oh, well, you're really going to have to explain that.
33:37Gladly, Senator.
33:39It was his spirit that fueled the idea of political realignment of Il Povot through democratic means.
33:45In that spirit, I was able to obtain funding as part of covert operations.
33:51At no time was the Admiral...
33:54did he authorize, nor was he aware of the subversion of funds by LoCocco and Lalonde.
34:00Admiral Strykin is one of the preeminent patriotic thinkers this country has ever produced.
34:06He believes, as do the American people, that the strength of democracy lies in its ability to win people to
34:15its cause without the use of force.
34:18This nation owes him a great debt.
34:24A debt that, in my humble opinion, it can never repay.
34:37It's just game for you, Vinnie.
34:39Oh, thanks.
35:04You're welcome.
35:19Mr. Sullivan, pick up a gold Oldsmobile, headed west on K Street. Could be Terranova.
35:41I don't know.
36:09I don't know.
36:55I don't know.
37:04I don't know.
37:05Ready, sir?
38:35Is this the briefcase?
38:38Yes, sir, it is.
38:41Is this all the evidence you have against Mr. Ketcher?
38:45Through travel and phone records, we have established that Herbert Ketcher's movements duplicate those of Roger Lococo's. And through phone
38:53records, we established that Herb Ketcher has made contact with Admiral Strykin.
38:58Do you have transcripts?
39:00Do you have transcripts of conversations between Strykin and Ketcher?
39:03No, ma'am, I do not.
39:04Do you have any physical evidence that Strykin and Ketcher actually talked to one another?
39:10Only records that show that Ketcher's telephone was frequently online with Admiral Strykin's.
39:16Did Lococo or Ketcher ever mention Admiral Strykin?
39:21No, ma'am.
39:23Have you ever seen Admiral Strykin?
39:26No, ma'am.
39:30Do you think Roger Lococo was a sane man?
39:35I'm not sure I know how to answer that question.
39:38Well, that seems pretty simple.
39:40Yes or no?
39:42None of this is simple.
39:43Well, you were with him for a long period of time.
39:46Do you have any personal judgment?
39:49Yes, I do.
39:50What is it?
39:53I believe that Roger Lococo's patriotism was subverted by Micavellian forces within the government.
40:01Are you saying that this former tough, independent war hero suddenly became a puppet?
40:06People can be blinded by their beliefs.
40:08A man blinded by his beliefs is allowing delusions to determine his actions.
40:15Mr. Lococo was not deluded.
40:18Wait a minute.
40:19That's all.
40:21Do you have a closing statement, John?
40:24Yes, sir, I do.
40:28Sometimes in the pursuit of principles, we lose sight of those principles and get caught up in the adrenaline that
40:35comes with the pursuit.
40:37Has that happened to you?
40:39It's a disease that is caused by ambition.
40:42And yes, Senator, I have been too ambitious.
40:43What about you?
40:48Now, Roger was blinded by his pursuit.
40:51But his vision returned.
40:52He understood his guilt.
40:54And he tried to redeem himself for it in testifying to this committee.
40:58Now, he died for that testimony.
41:00And whatever footnote he may hold in history, at least for me, Roger Lococo died a hero.
41:07Thank you, John.
41:15Hello?
41:16Monique?
41:18Can you come over?
41:19I'll be right there.
41:21Ah, great.
41:22Thanks.
41:41We have quiet, please.
41:44Admiral Strichen, please stand.
41:47Raise your right hand.
41:49Admiral Strichen, do you swear that the testimony you're about to give this committee is the truth?
41:53And that you testify without reservation or purpose of evasion?
41:57I do, sir.
42:01You said some good things, Vince.
42:04Ah, it doesn't matter.
42:06We'll skate.
42:08I won't be coming back, Frank.
42:15You're okay.
42:21What are you doing?
42:23I'm resigning.
42:25Don't do that.
42:26Frank, it's done.
42:30Never want to see another lie as long as I live.
42:34I will turn this into a six-month leave.
42:39Frank, it is what it is.
42:41You take care of yourself.
43:00I suppose, in retrospect, I should have smelled that something was amiss.
43:05But Mr. Ketch's duties as I expected them to be exercised was simply the maintenance of a relationship with Henri
43:12Leland, an exile leader of Il Pavot.
43:15Well, I had no idea that that relationship would terminate in an airplane hangar on the eve of an illegal
43:22invasion of a sovereign nation.
43:24You actually expect this committee to believe that Herbert Ketch was acting without your authority or knowledge?
43:29I'm embarrassed to admit it.
43:31And insofar as Mr. Ketch clung to my political philosophy and perverted it, I accept the responsibility for his actions.
43:42God, he's destroying me.
43:44How would you explain his actions?
43:46That would be better left for psychiatrists.
43:49Do you want to meet my friend?
43:50You mean this entire scheme was a single act of a lunatic?
43:53I believe Herb lost sight of principle in favor of ambition.
43:57I believe he fantasized that a successful invasion of Pavot would herald his return to Washington.
44:03I believe Herb actually felt that we would forgive his means if he reached a successful end.
44:09Yes.
44:10What Herb failed to understand is that there is no excuse for subverting democracy in order to arrive at it.
44:22Monique's wonderful, isn't she?
44:23Oh, yeah. She, uh, tells me you're in some kind of, uh, publishing?
44:28I'm in all forms of the media business, Mr. Ketcher.
44:31Mm.
44:32What you've been through, what you know has a value we're willing to make an offer on.
44:38What kind of offer?
44:40Political asylum.
44:44Asylum?
44:44You're a man without a country, Herb.
44:47The end result of plausible deniability.
44:50There's a very real possibility the Justice Department's gonna come through that door any second now
44:56and confine you behind bars for the rest of your life.
44:59If you're willing to leave immediately, I'll provide you with a new life in the Soviet Union.
45:10You're nuts.
45:12What kind of life could I have in your country?
45:15What kind of life do you have here?
45:17Look, we're not exactly doing backflips for your citizenship, Herb.
45:21We're reluctantly willing to accept you into our home in exchange for your knowledge of U.S. government affairs.
45:27Whatever little media value we can exploit out of your defection.
45:32Take it or leave it.
45:36Monique's job is here in Washington.
45:41I'm gonna turn you over.
45:43I'm gonna turn you over to the State Department.
45:46We intercepted a phone call you made to an escort service.
45:50And we sent you one of our own.
45:52Now you take us to the State Department.
45:55All they'll have a record of is you're soliciting a prostitute.
45:59Yes or no.
46:01Right now.
46:06Uh, uh, excuse me.
46:41I've been living in the shadows for two years now, Uncle Mike.
46:45Dance, I really don't wanna lose you.
46:48You're not going to.
46:49I'll keep in touch.
46:51One way or the other.
46:52Take care of yourself, son.
46:54You deserve it.
46:56Thanks, Uncle Mike.
46:57For everything.
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