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Shan and Bobby recapped the Rangers’ frustrating 9-2 loss to the Yankees to drop the series. They discussed the team’s recent struggles on offense and defense, they also reacted to Jared Sandler’s heated debate with Gavin Dawson over the team, MacKenzie Gore, and more.
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00:00Things falling apart for the Rangers, giving up six runs.
00:04Trent Grisham with the bases, clearing double after Gore loads them.
00:09They tack on three more.
00:10Ballgame, Rangers lose the series.
00:13Defensive problems, Jock Peterson on the Bellinger double.
00:17Another pop-up issue with Josh Young losing it in the Sun.
00:22New York, he got them in the eighth inning with the Sun as well with Jazz.
00:28And, oh, by the way, Corey Seager reaching in eight straight.
00:31And the red-hot Chicago Cubs.
00:34This was the 40-game mark that Jared Sandler and a lot of other Ranger insiders were pointing to.
00:39Can they survive the first 40?
00:42If they end up two, three games under .500 after this first 40, is that surviving it?
00:51Yeah.
00:51Is that what you're doing?
00:52If you're able to be, I think in terms of if you clean up the other things,
00:58if it wasn't just a schedule thing, you know what I mean?
01:00Like, if the back half of this, they start going like, all right, we're facing an easier stretch.
01:05And so some of these things are happening.
01:07But a lot of that stuff yesterday, Osuna, like, going back first instead of coming in and charging at the
01:12ball,
01:12that's not a – I don't care who your opponent is.
01:14Like, that's just Osuna not doing what he's supposed to.
01:16So how does it happen?
01:18Like, how is it applied that you get to that point where you're two games under .500?
01:22The way they've played right now, no, it's not surviving because it feels like missed opportunity in a lot of
01:26ways.
01:27But if they were playing better baseball and just had this record, I'd look at it a little differently.
01:31But in a vacuum, yeah, that record is not – doesn't put you in so much of a hole that
01:35you can't climb out of it.
01:37Okay, check the standings for me before we get to Dawson versus Sandler 2.0 on how good this looks
01:46after the Cubs this weekend.
01:48You're going to get three at home against Arizona.
01:51Arizona right now is 17-19.
01:55Okay.
01:56And in the West, that's good for what?
01:58That is good for third.
01:59Okay.
02:00The armpit.
02:01The armpit currently is 15-23 with a negative 37 run differential.
02:08Now, this is part of a long road trip.
02:10So you're going to have three in Arlington against Arizona, three on the road against the Astros, three on the
02:17road against Colorado.
02:19Colorado is currently – what are they?
02:22They're 15-23, negative 25 run differential.
02:25Three on the road against the Angels.
02:27Okay, the Angels right now are last in the division tied with the Astros.
02:30They're 15-23.
02:31Then you get four at home against Houston.
02:3515-23.
02:36Then you get three at home against Kansas City.
02:3917-21.
02:41Dude, this is a gold mine.
02:45Now, they would also probably look at Texas right now on their schedule and be like, we've got three against
02:49Texas.
02:49That's good.
02:49They're 17-20 right now.
02:51Three on the road against the Cardinals.
02:53Cardinals are a good team.
02:55They're 22-15.
02:56Okay, so St. Louis really –
02:57But a zero run differential, even though they're plus seven, which means they've won some close games.
03:02That's your first opponent after, like, five straight 500 or less teams.
03:08Three at home against Cleveland.
03:09Cleveland at the moment is 20-19.
03:12Okay.
03:12Negative four run differential.
03:13At Kansas City again, that's good.
03:16At Boston.
03:17This is consecutively.
03:18Boston's last place, 16-22.
03:20Twins and Padres.
03:22Twins are last place at 16-22.
03:25Padres are second in the division, 22-15.
03:29Marlin – what?
03:30They were second in the division, 22-15?
03:31Yeah, their run differential is barely above zero, though, which means they've won close games.
03:35So San Diego and St. Louis are kind of the two outliers here.
03:38I can't believe I'm going this far down on the schedule with how good it looks.
03:41Three at Miami.
03:4317-21, second to last in the East.
03:45And then at Toronto?
03:47Toronto is currently 16-21.
03:50They're second to last in the East.
03:52And that's all the way to win?
03:54The end of June.
03:55It's pretty good.
03:55I'm playing the Creed music.
03:57That's amazing.
03:59That is incredible.
04:00So if they come out of that stretch 500, then it's time to pack it in.
04:04Yes.
04:05Because then you're getting up to the – didn't we hit a similar stretch going into the deadline last year?
04:09Where they had just a run of bad teams, and it's like, if you don't play better here, then you're
04:14not worth investing in it.
04:16I think they ran into something similar last year, and they were just very average.
04:19And so this will tell us a lot about them, maybe more so than some of the games they've played
04:23against good teams.
04:24Because if you don't come out of this with a positive record, then you feel like, okay, this might not
04:30be the team.
04:32877, 881, 105.3.
04:33I don't think we've ever gone in my 15 years here through a schedule for that amount of time with
04:40it looking as good.
04:42Definitely not with the Rangers to look at a stretch that has a ton of opportunity.
04:46So is the back half of it just brutal, too?
04:49I can't even remember who they're playing.
04:50I'm sure the back half is just disgustingly difficult then.
04:53I'm not going to go back in.
04:54We've got to get to the side.
04:55Not really.
04:56I don't know how that happens, but no, not really.
04:58All right.
04:59Sandler-Dawson 2.0.
05:01Yeah, this is – as we recall – how long ago was this?
05:04Was this a year and a half ago that they first mixed it up two years ago?
05:07Yeah, longer than a year, year and a half.
05:10So it was the Jack Leiter fight a couple years ago where they were mixing it up in a post
05:17-game show,
05:17one of these post-post-game shows.
05:19So Sandler does the post-game show, and then G-Bag rolls into the show,
05:23and then he does a hit with them right out of their first segment.
05:27So they did that hit, and it got a little tense over Jack Leiter,
05:32and that's where we got the great drop, screw you, Jared, goodbye, from Gavin Dawson
05:38because Dawson felt like, you're talking down to me a little bit here.
05:41Screw you, Jared, goodbye.
05:42And Sandler's whole point the whole time was like,
05:44you're putting expectations on Jack Leiter that were never there.
05:49And Dawson was starting to say, he was the second overall pick.
05:51You can't tell me that you were expecting him to be a number four starter.
05:54That's not true.
05:55So they mixed it up.
05:56They made up, but it was great content.
05:57We enjoyed it.
05:58Took a while.
05:59They got into it a little bit yesterday.
06:00This is not as bad as the Leiter fight,
06:03but the remnants of the Leiter fight, I think, are here.
06:08And it's a tension.
06:11There's a tension in the air that I think exists,
06:13and I think you'll hear the moment that it kind of shifts a little bit.
06:18But this is them getting into it yesterday over a young pitcher, McKenzie Gore.
06:22So what's going down with McKenzie Gore, you think?
06:25ERA creeps over five.
06:27Was it the right decision to trade for him?
06:30Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to base a decision.
06:33I think we get in trouble in the sport if you base a decision off of a month and a
06:37half.
06:38I don't really think the Rangers gave up a whole lot.
06:41You know, it's a lot of quantity.
06:43You know, we'll have to wait and see.
06:44Obviously, time will tell with that.
06:46But to get an all-star pitcher when you were strapped financially with resources
06:50and, you know, budgetary constraints to get an all-star pitcher to make your team better,
06:54I think, you know, that's a deal you've got to make.
06:58You know, today, you go to the sixth inning, you know, on him for walking the two lefties,
07:04if Alejandro Asuna catches that first fly ball,
07:06then maybe we're having a totally different conversation, right?
07:09So, you know, I think he bailed his guys out a few times today.
07:14Unfortunately, that sixth inning kind of unraveled.
07:17And, you know, when Jalen Beeks came in, some runs that were on the board
07:20or on the table when, you know, when Mackenzie Gore left came in.
07:24But, you know, for a guy who's your third or fourth best starter,
07:28you know, I feel pretty good that as the year goes on,
07:30you're going to get better results from him.
07:33You know, to answer, is it a mistake?
07:35I mean, it's kind of like hot take.
07:37Like, is it a mistake to trade for?
07:38I don't really – like, you've got an all-star left-handed pitcher
07:42to add to your rotation.
07:44I think you have to ask, you know, what did we give up?
07:47What else was on the table?
07:49You know, Gavin, you know as well as I do,
07:50we only know the deals that are made.
07:51We don't know the deals that weren't made.
07:53So, I think to really be able to answer that question,
07:55I would need to know, like, was there someone else on the table?
07:59Could they have traded those guys or a package similar to another team
08:02for a different guy who maybe would have been better?
08:04Like, it's tough to answer that.
08:07Because I just don't know.
08:08Yeah, and I don't know how he made an all-star team with this stuff, you know?
08:12All right, stop.
08:13It's interesting.
08:13Okay.
08:14It shifts on Dawson's face.
08:16You can see it on the fan cam.
08:18When – he's just listening to Jared's answer.
08:21When Jared says, it's a little bit hot takey,
08:24then you see Dawson go, oh, okay.
08:26Yep.
08:27That was – Jared gave, I think, you know, like a two-minute answer,
08:33and he didn't need to go 201.
08:35That kind of – that lights things a little bit,
08:39because I think you're, in a way, accusing Dawson of being first takey,
08:45and I could see how that would get under his skin.
08:48So, early on, early on, 1-0 Gavin.
08:52Which, especially because of the history there over the lighter fight.
08:56And so, I think –
08:58There's nothing wrong – I didn't have any problem with Dawson's initial question.
09:01No.
09:02And the first three quarters of Jared's response, totally good, totally fine,
09:06explaining it all, and then he circled back to seemingly getting a little jab in the side.
09:12Was it a – do you think he recognized it and was trying to smooth it over
09:16by then going, like, you know as well as I do, Gavin, about, you know, the trade market.
09:19But was he trying to be like, look, we're – we both know these things the same way?
09:23Yeah.
09:24Yeah.
09:25So, you're saying on the fan cam, that lit the fuse.
09:28You saw Dawson all of a sudden go, oh, okay.
09:30And then, like, he was sitting there waiting, like, all right, let's wait for my chance now.
09:33Let's hear the rest.
09:33Yeah, and I don't know how he made an all-star team with this stuff, you know?
09:37It's interesting he was an all-star.
09:39I don't know if you're watching this stuff's really not the issue.
09:42Look, if you – he can't hit the strike zone.
09:45I mean, you're getting a guy at a half on – I don't know if you heard him say it
09:48under there.
09:49I think that's what took it up again for Dawson was he said, I don't know if you're watching.
09:55That's what Sandler said to him.
09:57It's interesting he was an all-star.
09:59And I don't know if you're watching this stuff's really not the issue.
10:02If you – he can't hit the strike zone.
10:05I mean, you're getting a guy at a half on base every inning.
10:08I understand that's not stuff, though.
10:09Yeah, but that's not stuff.
10:10That's that condition of the pitches.
10:11He's got the stuff.
10:12So we're getting semantical on it to defend him then?
10:15No, you just said he doesn't have good stuff.
10:17The stuff's not an issue with Mackenzie Gore.
10:18That's why he was the top prospect in baseball.
10:20The inability to consistently control and command pitches, that's an issue.
10:24I'm not disagreeing with you.
10:25I just wouldn't say – if you want to be accurate, I wouldn't say the stuff is a problem.
10:29He has the stuff.
10:29It's now being able to execute it.
10:31But isn't stuff like being able to throw strikes?
10:35That's command and control.
10:36Okay.
10:37So it's semantical then?
10:39Not really.
10:40They're two different things.
10:41It's like saying a guy can't hit for power, he can only hit for average when he hits a lot
10:46of home runs.
10:48I mean, they're important distinctions.
10:51I don't know if you're trying to start something or not, but it's just the reality.
10:54They're important distinctions.
10:55They're two different things.
10:56It would not be accurate for me, someone who's watching the game, to say that Mackenzie Gore doesn't have good
11:02stuff.
11:03That's just not the truth.
11:04If he doesn't – he has not done a good job executing it.
11:07No, it's my bad.
11:08I think, you know, I just didn't know how precise that definition of stuff was.
11:13Stop.
11:14Was that sincere?
11:17Was that last part sincere?
11:20I don't think so.
11:22But when you – it definitely was – the only thing that's sincere next is what happens right after that,
11:29which you'll hear because we're always doing it, but you'll hear Dawson's ready to wrap it.
11:34No, it's my bad.
11:35I think, you know, I just didn't know how precise that definition of stuff was.
11:43You know what I'm saying?
11:44All right.
11:44There he goes, Jared Sandler.
11:46Thank you so much for the report.
11:48Rangers fall to the Yankees 9-2.
11:50We're coming back with Krusty's Corner here in the nation.
11:53All right.
11:54And you see him just wait, like, take him off.
11:58But this is –
11:59Oh, he gave the wave off to Lucius?
12:00Like, just like, okay, take him off.
12:02And so it was – Dawson later said – he's like, I texted Jared.
12:09And he said, you know, Jared, last time we had our fight about Leiter, he showed it to Jack Leiter.
12:16And he's like, Leiter started pitching better.
12:18So he's like, I did text Jared.
12:20I said, why don't you show Mackenzie Gore that?
12:24And my shinks did not work on Gore.
12:26All right.
12:27So a lot of things in there.
12:28877-881-1053.
12:30We need you to be Mills Lane and decide on the Franklin Franco fan text.
12:35And assistant referee Peyton Russell will tally the votes.
12:38Where are you going with it first?
12:39Because we have the hot take thing that I think we're in agreement started it.
12:45Yep.
12:45That's a point deduction for Sandler.
12:49Then Dawson gets riled up.
12:51And then the argument over stuff and command.
12:55Man, that's a good one.
12:56Yeah.
12:57So here's a – because, yeah, if you're just deducting points, I would say that – this
13:03is a lot like when me and my wife disagree on something, okay?
13:06I am – I am right when we disagree.
13:11But frequently she has said – and I'm sure you've gotten a similar line like this before
13:15in your relationships.
13:17It's a tale as all the time, like between the way men and women discuss things, which
13:20is as Kristen will say, you can be right and not have to, like, be rude about it.
13:28Yeah.
13:28And I don't think that Jared went in there trying to be rude or anything, but I think
13:31when he said that, it lit the spark.
13:34And then when he threw on top of that, the – I don't know if you're watching, and he
13:38said it twice.
13:39Yeah.
13:39That.
13:40Now, by the end, the command versus stuff, he's right about that.
13:43Command and control is different than stuff.
13:45Like, we've talked before about – there are lots of guys who can't throw strikes who
13:49we've said, man, the stuff is really good.
13:50If he could control it, it'd be awesome.
13:52Yeah.
13:53So I think he's right about that.
13:54But the person at fault for the fight starting, I think, is Jared.
13:59Jared's problem –
14:00And I love you, Jared.
14:01I'm just saying.
14:02Jared's – which phone is going to ring?
14:04I know.
14:04I've already picked up my phone to look.
14:06Which phone is going to ring in the commercial break?
14:07I think Jared's problem sometimes that happens with him, he knows so much about baseball,
14:12and he knows he knows a lot about baseball.
14:15He's not going to brag about knowing a lot about baseball, but it can come across that he
14:19thinks he knows a lot about baseball.
14:21I think sometimes with the delivery – I mean, years ago, it would be much, much worse.
14:28But it may come across with some sprinkles of being condescending sometimes.
14:34It is – to be fair, it is my biggest problem, too, when I talk about the Cowboys, is that
14:40if I know things behind the scenes about the way they're operating and I want to talk to
14:43people about things, I know things.
14:44Yeah.
14:45And it's tough for me.
14:46So the first – I'll tell this while Choppy's out.
14:49It's tough for me to talk on knowing that they don't know those things.
14:52Right.
14:52And then so – but it comes across super condescending naturally at times.
14:56Yeah.
14:56And it's something that I've got to work on.
14:58And the way that I deliver that of like, hey, gentle correction instead of just being
15:02like, that's dumb.
15:03Right.
15:03Exactly.
15:04That's a good comparison.
15:05I'll tell this story while Choppy's out.
15:09And it may have been the biggest verbal beating and assault I've ever witnessed here at the
15:15station.
15:16Have I ever told you about this?
15:17I haven't heard specifics, but I know –
15:19We're in surprise.
15:21And this is when like –
15:23There was a disturbance in the force.
15:24I kind of had Choppy and Stanley – like Choppy to me is a baseball guy and he's all
15:28obsessed and he's, you know, texting pictures and all these relationships.
15:34And something came up over like the second best player in the sport or like – I think
15:39we were ranking the players or something.
15:41I think it was over Mookie Betts.
15:44And Choppy like challenged Jared on Mookie Betts and for about like – it felt like
15:5210 straight minutes.
15:54Jared like systematically took RJ apart to where I was sitting in this apartment and I was just
16:03like – I was starting to feel bad for Choppy.
16:06That takes a lot.
16:07But I was like, damn, Jared knows a lot.
16:10I mean, he's hitting with all these stupid stats that I have – I still can't recite
16:16today and this number and that.
16:18And then he's – I mean, it was – it was like watching Mayweather.
16:21Just – it wasn't one big blow.
16:25It wasn't one big haymaker.
16:26It was just –
16:27Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
16:28And that forever changed my mind about like Jared's baseball knowledge.
16:33Like when I want to pick a fight or go at Jared over something, it's very, very, very,
16:38very rare when it comes to baseball.
16:41Like the lighter thing, I would argue with him like for what the expectation was and
16:46what Jack would end up being.
16:47That would be a very, very rare thing.
16:49But what he did to Choppy in Surprise, Arizona, I'll never forget that.
16:54That may have been the biggest – the biggest verbal bashing I've witnessed here at the
16:59fan.
17:00All fair.
17:01I will always – Jared is incredibly knowledgeable about baseball.
17:05Like a ridiculous extent.
17:07Like I'll go at you about football before I would go to Jared about baseball.
17:12If I disagree with Jared on something, I will disagree with Jared in the form of a text
17:16message question.
17:17Hey, so is it not this way?
17:20And then I wait for him to explain it.
17:22And then if the explanation makes sense, then I go, oh, okay.
17:24Yeah.
17:25And if the explanation doesn't make sense, then I really go, oh, okay, because that means
17:28I don't know it at all.
17:29Right, right.
17:29And I'm not going to argue with him about it.
17:30Yeah.
17:31But I only talk to Jared in the form of questions about baseball.
17:34When we're on the phone, I just am interviewing him.
17:37That's it.
17:37I'm not challenging.
17:38I'm not saying that's stupid.
17:40Even with Broaddus, I'm like, no, get that out of here.
17:43I'm not disagreeing with Broaddus' opinion.
17:44But if it's a Cowboy topic, I feel like I'll challenge Broaddus about the Cowboys before
17:49I would challenge Jared about baseball.
17:50And I can't talk scheme with Broaddus.
17:52I really like baseball.
17:54I've always – like I've grown up a Rangers fan.
17:56I've had season tickets a few different times.
17:58Like that's – it's one of the sports that I grew up in love with.
18:01The very first time I cried about sports was when Juan Gonzalez got traded to the Detroit
18:05Tigers.
18:06So, like, I love the Rangers.
18:07I love the game.
18:08I recognize when talking to Jared, when talking to Bassick, when talking to anybody who doesn't
18:13– it's like there is such a deeper level, just like there's a deeper level on football
18:17and just like there's a deeper level on basketball that other people understand.
18:19There's such a deeper level.
18:20It's like I don't have that knowledge, and you do.
18:22Bassick's punk ass yesterday during the game – it was Judge.
18:31I can't remember who we had facing Judge, but he ended up striking him out.
18:36But Bassick goes, all right, it took two pitches for Judge to figure out this Ranger in Arlington
18:40last time they – last week.
18:42And then, boom, there were the adjustments and all – and he's – oh, he's looking change
18:46up.
18:47It was our pitcher who was – I can't remember which reliever.
18:50It wasn't Beaks, but I was like, dang.
18:53Like, hearing Mike – and even to a large extent hearing Bassick talk about basketball,
18:58like, a lot of times – like, yesterday I slipped up when I was going through Kyrie
19:02scenarios, and I was like, all right, the Mavs get lucky and get the fifth pick or the
19:06fourth pick.
19:07And Mike would have corrected him and been like, well, technically they can't get 5-6-7.
19:10All right, they can't get 5-6-7 in the draft.
19:12They can only be one through four, and then the end of the lottery, Mike can do that with
19:15basketball.
19:16Peyton Russell, how are the Tolos deciding Sandler versus Dawson part two?
19:21It is not all one-sided.
19:23I think it leans slightly Jared here, but you do have a lot of people saying, well, Jared's
19:27a homer.
19:27Sandler's a homer here.
19:29A 9-4-0, Dawson isn't watching these games.
19:318-1-7, Gavin is wrong here.
19:33I'll die on that hill.
19:343-2-1 is against Sandler.
19:352-1-4, Gavin wins this one.
19:37So it's back and forth here, but I think it leans more Jared here.
19:40I think it leans more towards, because I was looking through it, I think it leans a little
19:44more towards Jared lost.
19:46Like, or just, on tactics, Jared lost.
19:50On tactics.
19:51Like, it was, I would say it's leaning about, 55% of people, I would say it's about 55%
19:58are
19:58saying Jared's more wrong than Dawson.
20:00Jared's right about the point, but.
20:02The cheap shot.
20:03It was a cheap shot.
20:04I asked the same question, and Jared was on the air with us, and Jared had said it's
20:08a little hot takey.
20:09I wouldn't have given him the extra 40 seconds to finish after that.
20:12I would have interrupted him.
20:13Right.
20:14I would have been like, wait, no, no, no, no, hold on, wait, why?
20:16Why is that?
20:16Like, I would have been offended by it.
20:18Yeah.
20:18And if he would have then said, I don't know if you're watching, I would have stopped
20:21him again.
20:22I would have said, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
20:24He kind of, he bit Dawson's ear in the fight.
20:28Yeah.
20:29He went over the line the most.
20:31And that's what I remember from this fight the most.
20:33And I'll be honest.
20:33I don't, this is 100% true.
20:36I don't think it's malice.
20:37I don't, I don't think he was, I don't think he was like, Ooh, let me just get in this
20:41dig on Dawson.
20:42I think it's like, we're talking about, he knows it so well that when you're talking to
20:47somebody else, like you got to forget, like, not everybody like knows the depth as much
20:51as you.
20:51That's why you're there as the interview expert to explain it.
20:54Not to.
20:55Would Dawson have followed up with how did this guy make an all-star game that aggressively
20:58if not for the hot take comment?
21:01No, I don't think so.
21:02Yeah.
21:02I think he would have just listened to the answer.
21:04And then I think it would have been Zach or Eric asking the next question.
21:07So I'll score like 10, eight Gavin.
21:09Yeah.
21:10Cause again, on the actual point at the end of the command versus control versus stuff,
21:14Jared's right.
21:15He made up some ground.
21:16Yeah.
21:16And then to be fair, Dawson didn't go, Dawson listened to it, gave a little pushback.
21:21And then at the end, whether it's sarcastic or not, he said, he did, he did ultimately just
21:26go though.
21:27Didn't know it was that precise.
21:28Okay.
21:29Like, I mean, he, he, no, don't give him credit for that.
21:32I'm saying he was being condescending, but I'm saying he didn't spit.
21:35Like he didn't get, he just recognized that he was done with the interview.
21:38That's what I'm saying.
21:39He recognized this isn't going anywhere.
21:40So we're just cutting it off anyway.
21:41All right.
21:41The layout from Jared was a little odd there of the six seconds.
21:45I don't know if he thought that there was something coming behind it or what?
21:47There was a couple of times he tried to like speak and then it like Dawson was not going
21:51to let it happen.
21:52So, all right.
21:52That was good.
21:53Thanks to all the Tolos for informing us, Peyton and Bobby pulling the audio of round two
21:59and the AI video is pretty good too.
22:01Jared's cut up.
22:02He ain't getting that early dad bod.
22:04No, they were talking about that yesterday.
22:06Gavin was like, man, I got a dad bod in this video, but I did, I did ask AI.
22:10I was like, just finish the fight.
22:11Cause I, and I was like, surprise me with who the winner is.
22:14And they had Dawson knocking Jared.
22:15Oh gosh.
22:17Two victories for Dawson.
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