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00:00You're suing your former tenant?
00:02The place stunk. I wouldn't live in it.
00:04Why and how did your dog pee in the house so much?
00:08He didn't, ma'am.
00:09So what are you saying? That that was there before?
00:12I... There's no way to know that.
00:13That's ridiculous. I'm not a slumlord.
00:16Did you ever receive an itemized list of damages?
00:19No, ma'am.
00:19I'm having a hard time. Why does she think that you can enforce the law and ignore the law at
00:24the same time?
00:25Now on Tribunal Justice.
00:49Today's case was filed in Howell, Michigan.
00:53Your Honor, this is case number 3039 in the matter of Burger v. Fortune.
00:58All parties have been sworn in.
01:00You may be seated.
01:00Thank you, Cassandra.
01:02All right.
01:02Ms. Berger, you're suing the defendant, Mr. Fortune, your former tenant?
01:06Yes.
01:07According to your complaint, you're seeking $3,682, which covers the cost of replacing the damaged floors, that is, dog
01:16-caused, as well as other related expenses.
01:18Yes.
01:18And Mr. Fortune, according to your answer, you claim that the floors were damaged and they were pre-existing damage
01:25before you moved in.
01:26Yes, sir.
01:26You also argue that the $25 monthly pet fee that you charged and the one-time $250 pet deposit limit
01:36your financial accountability that your dog may have caused.
01:39Yes, sir.
01:39Okay.
01:40Ms. Berger, why don't you tell us, how long have you owned this rental property for?
01:45Since 2021, maybe mid-2021.
01:48Describe it.
01:48How big?
01:49How many bedrooms, bathrooms?
01:50It is a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,500-square-foot manufactured home and then a small yard.
01:56And can you please describe the condition of the home when the defendant moved in?
02:01Yes.
02:01It was in excellent condition as I keep all my rentals.
02:04In fact, I had the entire home completely re-floored, meaning all three bedrooms recarpeted and brand-new luxury vinyl
02:13planking put in right before he moved in.
02:16And he moved in.
02:17What was the date, if you recall?
02:18End of December 2022, maybe the 28th or 29th.
02:22Okay, let's take a look. I believe you supplied us photographs of the way that the home looked prior.
02:27That's just a photograph of the outside, correct?
02:30Lovely home. And that's a photograph of the inside, is that right?
02:33That is correct. You are looking kind of from the front door as you enter in.
02:37You're looking to the left is your living room.
02:41And then straight ahead you can see kind of behind the partial wall is the kitchen, and to the right
02:46would be a dining room.
02:47And can you please tell us whether there was a written lease in this matter?
02:51Absolutely.
02:51Absolutely. It was a one-year lease. Monthly rental rate was $1,460 a month.
02:57Included in the $1,460 is a $25 premium, if you will, for the pet.
03:02So I think when I listed the or marketed the house, it was $1,435.
03:06So when he came in, it was $1,460 with one pet.
03:10Security deposit was $1,460 a month, plus a one-time, non-refundable $250 pet fee.
03:16And if the dog chewed through the entire interior of the home, causing $10,000 in damage,
03:23is there anything in the lease that would limit your recovery to just the amount that was paid for the
03:30pet fee and the pet deposit?
03:32No.
03:32Mr. Fortune, can you point to anything in the lease that would have limited your liability?
03:37And I'm going to tell you right now, sir, I didn't see any.
03:40In the lease, no, sir.
03:43Going off of what we were told by the plaintiff when we moved in that this is a normal thing.
03:48She expects normal wear and tear from a dog.
03:51She will replace things.
03:52Flooring is, you know, normal wear and tear.
03:55Other than limitation, in the lease itself, no, sir.
03:58Okay.
03:58Ms. Berger, how many other rentals do you have?
04:01I have nine total.
04:02I have three houses on that particular street, so I'm up there often.
04:05And with respect to this one, Mr. Fortune and his wife, were they good tenants and they paid their rent
04:11on time?
04:12No, they did not.
04:13They were quite often late, and I actually went to landlord-tenant court and have a garnishment against them now
04:21for unpaid rent and utilities.
04:23Mr. Fortune, according to your answer, you said that there came a time during the period of your lease where
04:28you got sick, you were diagnosed with an illness.
04:31It was kidney cancer.
04:33During treatments and, you know, sickness, I missed a lot of work.
04:37The rent was always paid.
04:39It was late, I will admit.
04:41There were times where we just did the best we could.
04:44I didn't disagree with the judgment.
04:46Ms. Berger basically went that day and started the garnishment process, so it has been paid off that way.
04:50Okay. You say that, Ms. Berger, that the defendant moved out around August 18th, 19th, or 20th?
04:56August 20th.
04:57When was the first time that you got into the home after he moved out?
05:01As soon as they moved out. I think they moved out late afternoon, and I was in there that evening.
05:06Tell us what you saw and what you smelled.
05:09There was immediately a pretty strong odor of dog smell.
05:13I know what that smells like. I've been through a lot of rentals, and I have dogs myself.
05:16Two of the three bedrooms were visibly stained with dog urine, but it lingered elsewhere.
05:22You would go in the laundry room, and especially in the living room.
05:25A lot of times, dog urine you can't see, or people shampoo the carpet, but you can still smell it.
05:30But if you take a black light, you go through, and you can see it very easily on the carpet
05:35and around some particular baseboards.
05:38Did anyone live in it before you rented it to the defendant and his wife?
05:41Yes, I had one gentleman live there.
05:43And did that gentleman have any pets?
05:45He did.
05:46And after he moved out with the pets, is that when you got the floorings done?
05:50Yeah. The carpeting was just kind of old. It needed redone.
05:53Now, sir, can you tell us what was it about the carpeting of the floor when you moved in that
05:58led you to believe that it wasn't new?
06:01The flooring itself, I can say I've been in construction my entire life on top of what I do for
06:06a living.
06:06It wasn't installed correctly.
06:08There were spots where in front of the bathroom, in the kitchen, there were gaps in the tongue and groove
06:13sticking up.
06:14So besides the way that it was installed, you have no issue with respect to the plaintiff's testimony that it
06:20was, in fact, new carpeting and new flooring?
06:22No, sir. I have no way of knowing that. It looked good.
06:25Okay. If we can please show this to the defendant.
06:27Plaintiff provided us with a copy of a receipt. What's the date of that receipt?
06:3312-17 of 22.
06:34So that was prior to you moving in, correct?
06:36Yes, sir.
06:37There were 72 yards of new carpeting, padding and labor?
06:40Yes, sir.
06:40That there was 900 foot of new vinyl flooring plus labor?
06:44Yes, sir.
06:44For the cost of $4,400?
06:46Yes, sir.
06:47And you have no reason to dispute that, do you?
06:48I do not, no.
06:49Thank you very much. Judge Acker.
06:51Mr. Fortune, I want to move back to a point about your eviction.
06:56Now, did you ask the plaintiff to make some sort of payment arrangement with you?
07:01Yes, ma'am. The whole entire process, even when I was sick, we wanted to stay in the home. We
07:07had no issues. I understand it was late. And finally, she almost went to a bully stage to a point
07:14where she no longer wanted us there. It was, get out now or I'll take you to court kind of
07:18thing.
07:19Were you ever inclined to try to make some payment arrangement with him and his wife?
07:23Yes, Judge. Well, first of all, if the defendant is right, by this time, honestly, I'm getting a little tired
07:28of...
07:29Right, because you have a lease.
07:31I have a lease.
07:31You have a lease that obligates them to pay you at a certain time.
07:35Right.
07:35And I assume that, you know, you don't go into a landlord as a, it's not a 501c3, it's not
07:41a nonprofit. You're trying to make a living.
07:43Yes.
07:43And that's why you have a lease.
07:45Absolutely.
07:45So they were out on August 22nd.
07:48They were out on August 20th. By the time we went to court on the 22nd, they were already out.
07:53And you retained the security deposit. And on top of the $1,460 that you retained, you're now suing them
08:00for another $3,682.
08:02Yes, ma'am.
08:03So what I would like to see is evidence that you sent them an itemization of those damages within 30
08:09days of their moving out.
08:10Yes. I do have one here. I don't know if, mine has my handwritten note.
08:16Yeah. Your handwritten note is not evidence to me that he received it.
08:21Yes.
08:21And your handwritten note also suggests that it was sent on October 11th, which is certainly well beyond 30 days.
08:29Yeah.
08:29So explain to me why it is he should be held to the letter of the lease and you shouldn't
08:33be held to the letter of the law.
08:37Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
08:39I can't expect that people are going to live with that stench.
08:44There's no way we would have put that down. There's no way I would leave that untreated. That's ridiculous.
08:53Landlord Kimberly Berger says former tenant Justin Fortune's dog ruined her luxury vinyl flooring, costing her over $3,600 to
09:02replace.
09:02Justin says Kimberly charged him a pet deposit and monthly fee for his dog. So she's just trying to double
09:09dip.
09:10Explain to me why it is he should be held to the letter of the lease and you shouldn't be
09:14held to the letter of the law.
09:15Yes, ma'am. I can. I can explain that. So, um, first of all, as you mentioned, I went to
09:19court on the 22nd.
09:20By that time, I did not have a full understanding of what the damages were.
09:24You had access to the home when the defendant and his wife moved out. Did you do a walkthrough with
09:29him at any time?
09:30No, ma'am. Did she do a walkthrough? No, ma'am.
09:33Did you ever receive an itemized list of damages from her? No, ma'am.
09:37I'm having a hard time. Why does she think that you can enforce the law and ignore the law at
09:41the same time?
09:42Okay. So first of all, according to law in my jurisdiction, I'm responsible for that 30-day if I'm given
09:48a forwarding address.
09:49I was never given a forwarding address. I'm not using that as an excuse, but I didn't find out half
09:53of the damage.
09:54Within the 30 days, we kept uncovering more and more and more, okay? The damage to the LVP and what
10:01we had to go through to understand that did not get done until the 11th.
10:04In fact, another tenant moved in because it's very easy to rent my houses. They're nice.
10:09I cleaned it up the best I could. I thought it was good.
10:12And then within two days, the current tenant who was in there said, it smells like dog urine and all
10:17that.
10:17I'm not disputing any of that. But the problem that I have is that not only do I not see
10:22that itemization happening within 30 days, I don't have any evidence that you ever sent it to him.
10:27And I'm not inclined to just assume he's lying.
10:30Judge Domingo?
10:31Let's look at the alleged culprit here.
10:33Yes, ma'am.
10:34And it's not you. I just wanted everybody to see.
10:37And the damages, let's look at O1 and P16. These are some of the damages that you're alleging to the
10:44subfloor.
10:45So that would be damages that were hidden underneath the vinyl planks that you had. Is that correct, ma'am?
10:51Yes, ma'am.
10:52Okay. So I have a question with regard to this receipt detail for the security deposit return that you provided
10:58us.
10:59The date on that itself, whether you mailed it or not, is October 9th.
11:03Yes.
11:04So the list was made after 30 days and your alleged mailing, what, of course, was a few days beyond
11:11that.
11:11Yes, ma'am.
11:12So I did think about that because I said, well, looking at what I've seen here, much of the damages
11:17were really undiscoverable, as you're trying to point out here, by just your simple nose test.
11:23And so whether or not we can extend that time is something I believe we can address.
11:29But the bottom line is, without that, you're sort of done.
11:33You know, the statute's pretty clear.
11:35You would need to return to him the 1460, which was the security deposit.
11:41Problem is, sir, you're saying that Jaeger didn't do that, or if he did do anything, it was not sufficient
11:49enough to require her to replace all the flooring.
11:52Would that be correct?
11:53Yes, ma'am.
11:53But if it's on the subfloor, the only way to know that that's got that type of damage, if we
11:58could put that damage up again, would be to rip the floor up.
12:02We did start digging it up, as you saw, and the more we dug up, it just kept going more
12:06and more.
12:06And then my flooring contractor found out we had a couple boxes left over from the initial installation.
12:12They don't even make that flooring anymore.
12:14So I had to redo the whole thing.
12:16It was about 850 square feet.
12:17I can't expect that people are going to live with that stench.
12:22Why and how did your dog pee in the house so much?
12:26He didn't, ma'am.
12:27So what are you saying?
12:29That that was there before?
12:30There's no way to know that.
12:32So when you put the flooring down the first time, had you seen this type of damage, would you have
12:38treated that floor?
12:39There's no way we would have put that down.
12:41There's no way I would leave that untreated.
12:43That's ridiculous.
12:44I don't, I'm not a slumlord.
12:45If the place stunk, I wouldn't live in it.
12:48If there was damage like that, I would fix it.
12:49I don't disagree with you, and I don't disagree that I wouldn't want to live in any place that had
12:53that odor.
12:53At this point, I don't have any other questions, so I'm going to ask if anyone else does.
12:57Yeah, I do.
12:57So while it is true that the law in your jurisdiction and most jurisdictions require a landlord within 30 days
13:07of the tenant moving out to return their security deposit or send them an itemized list of damages they intend
13:14to deduct,
13:15what everyone seems to be forgetting is there's a responsibility in your jurisdiction that the defendant, the tenant within four
13:23days of moving out provides you, the landlord, with that forwarding address, right?
13:32Yes, ma'am, sir.
13:32Otherwise, the landlord shall be relieved of sending the tenant an itemized list of damages and the penalties adherent to
13:42that failure.
13:43So his failure to provide you with that forwarding address within four days makes all this other issue about you
13:51not giving him notice within 30 days moot.
13:54Would you agree with that?
13:55Yes, I do.
13:56Here's your problem, though, Ms. Berger.
13:58The documents that you provided this court with with respect to your damages?
14:02Yes, sir.
14:03You said that this is the sheet that indicated all the invoices for the repairs after the defendant moved out?
14:08Yes.
14:08$5,142.93.
14:11Right.
14:12But the receipts, the physical receipts that you provided us with, August 29th, $600.
14:18September 10th, $465.
14:21October 3rd, $695.91.
14:24$305.20.
14:26$978.62.
14:28$1,211.94.
14:31Right.
14:31Those are the only receipts that you provided us with that established out-of-pocket expenses for the flooring.
14:37Correct?
14:38Yes, with a note saying I have all the others.
14:40Yeah, but you didn't provide them.
14:42The Lowe's, the Home Depot, the Tool Time, the Rural King that you included on this list, you never provided
14:48us with those receipts.
14:50Right?
14:50With good reason, but yes, that is correct.
14:53And your good reason would say because they were kind of co-mingled with all your other properties.
14:56I live at Home Depot.
14:58I know you do.
14:58So the way I see it, after going through your proof, the total expenses were $4,256 minus the security,
15:08which is $1,460, equals $2,796 is what is outstanding to pay back.
15:15Yes, sir. Understood.
15:17I have nothing further.
15:17Okay.
15:18Ms. Berger, I note your response to Judge Levy about the defendant not having provided you a notice of a
15:24forwarding address within four days.
15:27In my view, it's not moot, because you're now in this court, in this jurisdiction.
15:31And so I certainly have the authority and the discretion to hold you to a standard that I find equitable.
15:39Yes, ma'am.
15:39I'm not persuaded by it, not under the circumstances in this case, you know, where you were brought to court
15:44and evicted.
15:45And frankly, you know, you know how to find a tenant.
15:48You can just send the information to the last known address.
15:51But we have an expert witness here.
15:53May we hear from the expert, please?
15:56Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
15:59How come you didn't call him to find out his address?
16:12Kimberly Berger is suing former tenant Justin Fortune for over $3,600, the cost to replace luxury flooring that she
16:19says his dog used as a toilet.
16:22Justin claims the mess was from previous tenants, and the pet fee Kimberly already charged him should cover any damage.
16:29Sir, raise your right hand.
16:30You swear to tell the truth in these matters.
16:31I do.
16:32State your name and occupation, please.
16:34My name's Chris Castro.
16:35I'm a flooring expert and construction expert and property manager for the last 30 years.
16:41Mr. Castro, do you have any personal relationship with either the plaintiff or the defendant in this case?
16:46No, ma'am.
16:46Did you ever have occasion to review or examine the flooring in the plaintiff's home that is the subject of
16:53this dispute?
16:54Just the photographs.
16:55Just the photographs.
16:56And the narrative, yes.
16:57And were you able to draw any conclusions about the cause of the damage to the flooring in the plaintiff's
17:03home?
17:03Yes, I have.
17:04That that floor was installed incorrectly from the start, and it's not luxury vinyl plank.
17:10It's a very inexpensive floor.
17:12It's not glue-down floor.
17:13If it was, you can't glue it down over OSB plywood like that.
17:16What's the impact of the improper installation?
17:19It goes right through.
17:21And I'm going to show you two separate things.
17:23So the first thing is, is I brought a sample of luxury vinyl plank for you.
17:28And the difference is, as you can see, it's got the built-in pad, and that's mostly for sound.
17:33It doesn't necessarily make it waterproof.
17:36That's what the underlayment is for, in a vapor barrier.
17:39And it would have protected that subfloor.
17:41So when I saw the damage to the floor, the only logical way that the liquid could have got through
17:46there is if it was installed incorrectly, and not maliciously incorrectly.
17:50So I bought this box yesterday, and I noticed that the click system had a little damage on it.
17:56And it's brand spanking new.
17:58That's why we have it notated here.
17:59So when you click it together, and in our display, I have one with a little nick, you wouldn't be
18:05able to see that nick in a large area unless you're really paying attention.
18:09And I'll show you how the liquid goes through.
18:12Watch.
18:12I'm just going to do it real slow for everybody.
18:14See if I can get it to go through.
18:16And it'll just sit on the subfloor because there's nothing underneath it.
18:20But if it was installed correctly by a licensed contractor who knew what he was doing, we wouldn't have had
18:25this problem.
18:26How do you know that her contractor wasn't licensed?
18:28On the invoice, there's no license on there.
18:30And if he's a licensed contractor, he has to have that on his bill.
18:33Great.
18:34Who knows who that guy is?
18:35Judge Domingo.
18:36How come you didn't call him to find out his address?
18:44I would just say at the time they left, we weren't exactly on wonderful talking arrangements.
18:49The thing is, you are required to try.
18:52And so we're just trying to figure out was there a way.
18:54Just with a processor.
18:55Was there a way within which those four days you could have reached out?
19:00That's not to say that you kind of knew that there was dog urine on the floor.
19:05I would imagine you knew, correct?
19:07That your dog had been urinating on the floor?
19:10Sure.
19:10I knew that he's had accidents.
19:11Yes, ma'am.
19:12Yeah.
19:12But this is more than just an accident.
19:14And ma'am, did you see the subflooring before you put those floors down?
19:19It was brand new subflooring.
19:20The subflooring was new as well?
19:23Absolutely.
19:23Okay.
19:24So anybody have any other questions?
19:26Okay.
19:26We're going to retire to deliberate.
19:28Court is now in recess.
19:30Parties will be recalled.
19:40The plaintiff testified, I believe convincingly, that her home was in immaculate condition when the defendant moved in.
19:47When the defendant moved out with his wife, the credible testimony is that the house stunk of urine.
19:52The reports that we have and the information, the evidence that's in the file is that she went through stages
19:58of repairs before ripping out everything.
20:01The first thing she did was use a machine to try to get the smell out of the air.
20:06Simple.
20:07Cheap.
20:07Didn't work.
20:08Then she brought someone in to do the venting and to clean the vents.
20:11Maybe that's where it was.
20:13It was cheaper.
20:14Nothing.
20:14And then when they took up pieces of the floor, that's when they saw this horrific damage.
20:20That dog was peeing in that house.
20:22Her Exhibit 8 lists all the expenses associated with the damages.
20:26She listed that as $5,142.
20:30She deducted the security, $1,460, which is where she came up with $3,682.
20:36However, there were no receipts from the Lowe's, the Home Depot, etc., which totaled $886.
20:43I don't believe that she should get that.
20:45So if you take the $5,142 minus the $1,460 is $3,682 minus the $886, which she did
20:54not prove,
20:55leaves $2,796 that the defendant owes her.
20:58And yes, you were right.
21:00There is a 30-day requirement.
21:01But there's also a requirement on the part of the tenant that they notify within four days.
21:06Michigan cannot be any more clear about that.
21:09And the failure of a tenant relieves the landlord of any penalties of that failure.
21:14And she's not getting $4,400.
21:16All she, if you agree with me, is getting is $2,796.
21:20That's all.
21:21We're not in Michigan.
21:22We're here.
21:23And when people come to our courtroom, we have always held that a landlord has a certain duty
21:29before holding on to a tenant's hard-earned money, that they have a duty to examine the premises
21:36and tell the tenant what's wrong with the premises.
21:38Now, I don't dispute that it wasn't all apparent right away, but you do have an obligation as a
21:45landlord to do the diligence and let people know what's up when they leave.
21:49So I have to admit, I'm a bit on the fence with this one.
21:54I'm not sure that I can get there.
21:56Well, I think that this puppy used this 1,500-square-feet apartment as his toilet.
22:01I believe that when she put down the original flooring, which cost her about $5,000, the floor,
22:06the subflooring, and all were clean.
22:08Now, whether or not the contractor did the right job, that's not our issue.
22:12But right now, the testimony of the expert was unequivocal that the floor was damaged from urine
22:18and that the only way it could have gotten there was from the floor into the subflooring,
22:23even if it was just through the cracks.
22:25Now, with regard to the notice and all, I asked her if she could call,
22:28because sometimes there's questions I'm just curious about, like, could you have called him?
22:31But I don't believe with the statutory applications that the landlord in this case would have been
22:36obligated to make the phone call to say, oh, let me give you your money back.
22:40I'd hate to penalize her because, indeed, that home was truly damaged.
22:44Now, the last and final issue is with regard to the not wanting to give her the itemized lists here
22:50that she didn't have actual receipts for.
22:52But I think if you look at them carefully, she couldn't have done some of the things she did
22:56without replacing it, like replace bedroom door trim and labor.
23:00She replaced the rug and the flooring, so she would have had to buy that item to fix that.
23:04She couldn't have had it somewhere else in the house.
23:06For the damages that I saw there and the work that she did, I would give her what she's asking
23:10for.
23:11And no one's concerned about the fact that prior to this tenant, prior to the defendant,
23:15there was another resident that had a dog in the house?
23:18She did all the floor over after that.
23:20And the subflooring, everything.
23:21And more importantly, the defendant did not say that when he moved in, he smelled any urine smell.
23:25Yeah.
23:26Okay.
23:26Fair enough.
23:27I'm going to dissent.
23:28So we're just an issue on the damages.
23:29I mean, I can't see her going through all this and making up a $73 bill here from Lowe's.
23:35And I take her testimony.
23:36I mean, her testimony is sufficiently credible that I could rely on it without an actual document.
23:41Would you agree to split it in the middle?
23:42I would.
23:43Because did you see evidence of the showerhead replacement?
23:47No.
23:47Okay.
23:47So she could have just fixed all that up and not replace it.
23:50That would bring $235 off the bill.
23:52So take $235 off?
23:53Mm-hmm.
23:54Off of what she's asking for the full amount.
23:56So it would be $3,682 is what she's asking for.
24:01Minus $235.
24:02$236.
24:03$236.
24:04$3,446.
24:06Mm-hmm.
24:06Fine.
24:07I agree with that.
24:08Done.
24:08All right.
24:13Court is back in session.
24:15Parties are reminded that you're still under oath.
24:17Thank you, Cassandra.
24:18You're welcome.
24:18We are not unanimous, but we do have a verdict.
24:22Judge DiMango and I are in the majority, and Judge Acker is dissenting.
24:26First off, this is a court of equity.
24:29So while laws are important and we try to follow them whenever we can, that sometimes when the
24:34laws doesn't always seem to make sense, then courts like ours has some fudge room.
24:39What's equitable is what it means to be a court of equity.
24:42And that is something that Judge Acker wanted me to mention, that looking at this case in
24:47its totality with respect to what you did and what you paid and what you didn't pay and
24:54how you got your rent back and all of those things put together, it would be Judge Acker's
24:58position, ma'am, that you would be unsuccessful in securing any additional money from the defendant
25:03from the damages.
25:04Judge DiMango and I, however, we see things a little differently.
25:08Did you prove the $3,682 in damages?
25:13We said no because there was no testimony with respect to the replacement of the shower
25:18heads that we have no receipts for.
25:20With respect to the other items that you don't have receipts for, Judge DiMango convinced me
25:25that those items would have been necessary and part and parcel of doing the floors.
25:30So the $3,682 that you were asking for minus the $236 for the replacement shower head is
25:38$3,446.
25:41And that, ma'am, is the verdict of the court that that is what is owed to you by the
25:45defendant.
25:46And we thank you both very much.
25:49This case has concluded.
25:50All parties are excused.
25:56He's a good dog, but, you know, they have accidents.
25:58It smelled.
25:59She was even in the house days before we were, we moved out and she had no complaints.
26:04And he knows it smelled because when I came over, the door was left open, wide open, because
26:08they were trying to air it out.
26:09That's absolutely not true.
26:11It's business.
26:12It's not personal.
26:13Did someone break an agreement?
26:15Let tribunal justice decide your case.
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26:32We'll see you next time.
26:32Do it.
26:57You like that.
26:58You
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