00:00This is audio from a basketball analyst named Jason Timphe, who was on with Colin Cowherd
00:05yesterday, and making a case for bringing Giannis Antetokounmpo to Houston. In fact,
00:11even cobbles together what a trade would look like. I'm wavering on this stuff right now,
00:17man. So here's Jason Timphe, and then Seth and I will chop this up.
00:21I keep thinking Houston's the best Giannis team, because Shane Goon, to me, is a guy that I don't
00:26think you can win a championship with, even in his theoretical ceiling. Because the one guy who
00:30was good enough on offense at that position to be a bad defender and win the title really was Jokic.
00:36He was bigger, and he was a transcendently great offensive player. Shane Goon is smaller,
00:42and he has nowhere near the touch, nowhere near the playmaking talent. So I don't think his ceiling
00:46on offense is nearly high enough. So what I would do if I was Houston is I actually think they're
00:51better off leaning into the present than leaning into the future. So I would call up Milwaukee this
00:56summer, and I'd be like, here's Shang Goon, here's Jabari Smith, here's a first-round draft pick or
01:01two, whatever it is that they haggle over. Now I've got Giannis, I've got KD, I've got Fred VanVleet
01:05coming back, I've got a man Thompson. That's a team that's kind of interesting in the West.
01:10Okay, they do look interesting. Kind of interesting? That's super interesting.
01:15Super interesting. Yeah, no, it's very interesting. I'm starting to think on Shang Goon,
01:22and I don't know if it's Giannis that I want or if it's Kawhi or whatever. Just Shang Goon in
01:28a
01:28vacuum. I agree with some of the things he's saying about Shang Goon and being able to win with him
01:33as
01:34your center, and this is my biggest thing with Shang Goon, and that argument that Jason Timp just made
01:39kind of continue to nudge me towards this. I think this is who he is. Like, well, I'm in Thompson.
01:45I think there's more out there for I'm in Thompson. Yeah, I think there's more out there potentially
01:49for even Jabari Smith Jr. I do. Tari Eason is an interesting one, but I think there may be more
01:54out there for him. They'd have to resign him. Obviously, he's going to be a restricted free agent.
01:58I think there's more out there for Reed Shepard. I don't know what the ceiling is for Reed Shepard.
02:03Operan Shang Goon is the one guy like, okay, the one thing he could have added to his game
02:07coming into this season was become a better defender. I just think he's too physically
02:14challenged in terms of his foot speed and his quickness and whatnot to ever be a good defender.
02:18He gives you the occasional block shot, but he's never going to be a good on-ball,
02:22like, shut guy down defender ever. I don't think he's even going to be average.
02:26The other thing he could have added was a three-point shot, and I know he was working on that
02:30in the
02:30Euro tournament he was playing in, and everybody talked about he's coming back here. He put more
02:35range in his game. That didn't pan out that way over the course of the season. I think if you
02:40trade Shang Goon, you might be selling high on him right now. I don't know what his stock is going
02:45to be with each year that passes. I like the way that guy phrased it and saying, lean more into
02:52the
02:52present than the future, because if you just keep kicking the can down the road with some version of
02:59what you have right now and waiting for the young core to develop, et cetera, et cetera,
03:03while meanwhile Kevin Durant gets older and ends up getting rolled out of the league or traded away
03:09or what have you. Okay, cool. There'll be some other GM's future.
03:13So, I mean, it's not... It's true. It won't be Stone's problem.
03:18You're right. Like, okay, well, we don't want to sacrifice the future for the present.
03:24All right, how glorious a picture are you painting for us of this city on the hill that you're
03:30building right now? Whereas it's a lot easier to visualize, all right, Durant and Antenna Kumpo
03:35with Fred Van Vliet back in the building. Yeah, I can see a city on the hill much closer to
03:42me.
03:42It would sell a lot of tickets. And I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit.
03:44It would sell a lot of tickets. My hunch is, Seth, that those Steven Silas years were probably
03:51miserable years to own the basketball team. As miserable as a billionaire can be,
03:55we're probably miserable. And by going essentially all in, you know, if you're keeping
04:02Amin Thompson, you know, once these guys are all gone, is Amin Thompson a guy that's a superstar
04:07that you build around? I don't know that Amin Thompson ever gets to that if he doesn't develop
04:12a jump shot. You know, he may just be a really, really superior wing defender type player.
04:18So if you are going in with Giannis and with Kevin Durant and Fred Van Vliet, who's in his 30s,
04:24they're all in their 30s. You are, chances are, you are conceding another rebuilding era with the
04:32Rockets, you know, whereas it feels like what they're trying to do now is sort of play both
04:37sides of the coin here, you know, where, Hey, we've got Kevin Durant. So we got this veteran who's,
04:41you know, probably going to be second team, all NBA this year, but we also got all these young guys.
04:45So we're making sure that when 2030 rolls around or 2032, we've still got a core nucleus that'll
04:51make us a competitive basketball team. It feels like they're trying to just make sure that they're
04:56maintaining a long-term level of competitiveness as opposed to trying to create the best nuclear
05:02weapon you can create in 2026, 2027. Yeah. And I've got an appetite for nukes. I just want to,
05:10yeah, I want to, I want to build a, I want to build as potent a weapon as you can.
05:14Yeah. And
05:15we'll live to fight. We'll live to fight another day. I'm starting to come around on it. Do it for
05:19your own job security, Raphael Stone. I'm starting to come around on it. I thought that was a really
05:23good argument by Jason Temp. Here was Kendrick Perkins. We all know that Kendrick Perkins at first
05:29called the Rockets a pasture of bleep. Yeah. Like 10 days ago. And then five days after that,
05:34he said that they're going to beat the Lakers and, and, and now he's doing the same thing to
05:40the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs were Kendrick Perkins pick to win the NBA title. They lost game
05:47one by two points to Minnesota a couple nights ago. And now here's Kendrick Perkins and where he is
05:53on the San Antonio Spurs. I know I picked the San Antonio Spurs to win the championship. And I'm
05:59going to say right now that I was wrong. I was wrong. And I'm going to take all the heat
06:03that
06:04comes with it because they're not going to win this series. They're not going to win this series.
06:10I know when the team has that it factor, the Minnesota Timberwolves, they got that it factor.
06:18Those guys are on. I used to call the Miami heat when they had Jimmy Butler and bam, and they
06:23made
06:24they final run the goons from Dade County where these are the goons from Minnesota because they
06:30want all the smoke. Okay. So Kendrick Perkins is doing multiple Kendrick Perkins things there.
06:36He's totally flip-flopping on his pick to win the title has lost one game in the semifinal
06:43conference semifinals. And now they're losing. Now they're not even making it to the conference
06:48finals anyway. Why? Lack of it factor. Lack of it factor. So how did you pick them to win it
06:54all
06:54when did they lose the it factor somewhere along the way? Usually you wouldn't pick a team to win
07:01it all unless they have some kind of an it factor. Well, he was saying the Timberwolves have the it
07:05factor. So that's, I guess, by definition, the Spurs don't have the it factor. Yeah. So him declaring
07:13himself sort of the czar of the it factor. Like, I know it factor when I see it. So there
07:20was that. The other thing he did at the end there, Seth, Kendrick Perkins likes to declare
07:24what he nicknames people all the time. Yeah. I used to call the Jimmy Butler bam out of bioheat
07:30the Dade County goon squad. Okay. And now this is the Minnesota goon squad. Like, all right,
07:37we don't care about your nickname. We need to come up with more nicknames. You think?
07:40Mm-hmm. Yeah, probably. Perk's doing pretty good for himself. You know? Yeah.
07:46Just thinking of the Astros, like this current version of the Astros. What kind of a squad
07:51would you call them? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What would this, the Space City Suckers? Yeah,
07:57I don't know. Something. Yeah. I'll ask ChatGPT. That has something to do with injuries.
08:02Probably, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I call them the third
08:10Ward MASH unit. Yeah, there you go. Because they're injured all the time. There you go.
08:14All right. That's good. We'll workshop some of them. Boy, our careers are going to take
08:17off right now. We'll spend two hours brainstorming at the end of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:21By that, I mean, I'll have ChatGPT come up with some stuff. Of course, of course, yeah.
08:24By the way, there's a couple guys online that I just, I don't want to call them out by name
08:29just yet, but they've all of a sudden started using way more analogies and stuff in a way that
08:36they never did before. And I'm like, ah. Wait, who? Who's doing it? I'm not saying
08:41who it is. No, no, no. A couple of commentators. Commentators. Okay, yeah, yeah. Sports commentators.
08:45Gotcha. That all of a sudden, over the course of the last year, they've really introduced a
08:48whole lot of analogies and stuff and colorful language and metaphors in a way that they
08:53never did before. And I, like, I, you know what? Kudos to them. They're, they're asking ChatGPT
08:58for stuff. They are. And they're prepping for it and they're using it. They're making. But
09:02it just, it's, uh, it's almost, I don't want to, I don't want to see the sausage being made.
09:08Well, you, you are, you are the king of analogies, right? I know you're not to be until I was
09:14supplanted
09:14by ChatGPT. Well, I think that's, I think that's where you're, you're not the self-proclaimed king
09:18of analogies. You're the anointed by the listeners and me king of analogies. So I think is, it would
09:24be like a comedian recognizing that, oh my God, this comedian's using AI. It's an insult. It's a,
09:29it is a disgrace to, to that corner of the, of the business. I feel like John Henry is what
09:34I feel
09:35like. Okay. There's this locomotive, this steam engine in the form of a, in form of a data center
09:41has come and taken all my work and precious resources. The irony is that's a really good
09:47analogy right there by you. Uh, all right. Pain and Pendergast. Enjoy it. Do you know the story of
09:52John Henry? Spoiler alert. Yeah. He dies. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Um, so, and we'll all die at some point.
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