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00:19Guns, knives, explosives?
00:21No, sir.
00:22No, sir.
00:35Wow.
00:37I had no idea they had this wall.
00:45That brings back a lot of memories.
00:49He's in the middle there.
00:51It's my infamous father and then the bomb that he built next to it.
01:00He ruined a lot of lives along the way.
01:03The bomb went off yesterday as an attempt was being made to disarm it.
01:07It was a giant bomb of diabolic complexity and it went off, as Bernard Goldborg reports,
01:12with a giant roar.
01:14The bomb team was trying to defuse the device via remote control when something went wrong.
01:27FBI agents say that anyone sophisticated enough to make a bomb, such as the one that destroyed
01:32Harvey's, is capable of making another.
01:35We had a list of 500 possible suspects.
01:40It makes looking for a needle in a haystack look easy.
01:43To Harvey's management, the loss is monumental.
01:47And the bombers left a letter saying they would try again.
01:50The FBI is still looking for suspects.
01:55They knew that he built the bomb and he was just like, I built it, now catch me.
02:18And he used to kill aencie system.
02:18But he probably might do with a gunned pilot and the beastъ 형.
02:30And I went into an obé.
02:42The FBI is looking for three suspects in this case, two men and a woman.
02:47Several dozen agents have been poured into the area in hopes they can make a quick arrest.
02:52The bottom had just about hit the chair when I heard about the hotel blowing up.
02:57As a young attorney, you want challenging cases to start off with, and this certainly was that.
03:04The plan for the FBI was simply to find out who might be a suspect in the case.
03:11And that sounds real easy, but it was real hard.
03:14I was astonished at the amount of resources that they grew at.
03:18In fact, I was told by agents at the time this was the largest investigation ever undertaken by the FBI,
03:25not counting presidential assassinations or assassination attempts.
03:30Because of the heinous nature of this crime, it's absolutely imperative that we, the FBI,
03:38bring these perpetrators to justice as quickly as possible.
03:41Today, the FBI is searching for three people who agents believe may have been responsible for setting the bomb at
03:47Harvey's.
03:48There is a $175,000 reward sponsored by Harvey's and three other casinos
03:53for any information leading to arrest and conviction of the criminals who caused at least $3 million worth of destruction
03:58to the state-line gambling establishment.
04:03That was the beginning of almost a year of admitting nothing and denying everything, except to Kelly.
04:12No, I did not want to tell the authorities at all.
04:16I kept it secret.
04:20I think my biggest problem was I just didn't want to see the boys be put in prison.
04:24And I knew that if I said anything, they would be.
04:28I loved the guy.
04:31Workmen were busy today cleaning up the parking lot of Harvey's wagon wheel,
04:34while on the inside, investigators are picking through the debris in a search for clues.
04:45After any bomb goes off, what you're trying to do is you're trying to figure out what the bomb was
04:51comprised of.
04:51In wheel bomb, we at least had a head start.
04:58We took pictures before the detonation of the bomb.
05:02And from those pictures, we were able to identify certain parts.
05:07You're looking at the bits and pieces of the bomb itself, trying to figure out, post-blast, what it was.
05:14The bomb doesn't just disappear, it just gets smaller.
05:17So I had eight guys with sifting screens, and we recovered a total of 108 pounds of that bomb.
05:25And leads went out all over the country for the identification of those parts, who sold them, where they were
05:32sold.
05:34And we were getting hundreds of calls on a phone line that had been set up.
05:40If anybody had a tip, a location, a person, a car.
05:49When the FBI was investigating and looking for who the people were that were responsible for this,
05:55there was never a moment where Jim didn't worry that this was the day that he was going to jail
05:59for the rest of his life.
06:00You wake up in the morning, and that fear, it was constant.
06:04And it was never, never subsiding.
06:06Of course, every one of those calls, we had to evaluate it and see if it had any bearing on
06:11our case.
06:14That list grew to about 500 people.
06:19These officers had to respond very quickly.
06:23At one point, we did focus in on a group of engineers.
06:28You know, one was an aircraft guy, and he could fly, and, but they had alibis, so we'd scratch him
06:36on the list and go to number 276.
06:45What the FBI was looking for is something out of the ordinary.
06:49And you're talking about a gambling resort that is visited by tourists every day,
06:54and to look for something that just doesn't fit that pattern,
06:58it makes looking for a needle in a haystack look easy.
07:07In the meantime, Harvey's is back in business.
07:10It will be a long time before the 14-story casino hotel opens again,
07:15but the older adjoining one-story casino is back in business.
07:19Gaming control did let us become operational again pretty quickly,
07:23and I think that gave the community, the employees, everybody confidence that things will start to recover.
07:35Harvey was very worried about the employees.
07:39I know he wanted to get people back to work.
07:42Gaming control gave him permission to put up plywood.
07:45It had actually windows in it that you could see through and look to the other side.
07:51But in spite of the mess around them, employees and customers didn't seem to mind.
07:56We're like in here. We've been before.
07:59And you're not going to let a silly little thing like a boss this way you do?
08:02No, no, I didn't even stay home for that.
08:21You know, they also looked at Harvey really close because Harvey had made application
08:29to expand the hotel and was turned down.
08:33We've been told that Harvey's intended to lay off about 300 employees temporarily beginning next week
08:38for a short-term remodeling project.
08:40It appears as though that remodeling project has been expanded
08:43and came a little sooner than they had anticipated.
08:47Now, if his hotel all of a sudden got blown up, he would be able to rebuild.
08:52That, on itself, was grounds to look at Harvey.
08:59We examined the rubble for 25, 30 days, collecting pieces and trying to identify them.
09:07And we were not very successful with any of that.
09:11It just was either too damaged or it was too common an item.
09:17And what I needed as a prosecutor is either forensic evidence or statements from witnesses
09:23that would give me a case that I could take into court.
09:25And we weren't even closing in on that.
09:28I had men handling these leads that had come in, and none of them were really of value.
09:35It was an extremely frustrating investigation.
09:39It just was really hard to find anybody that was a legitimate suspect.
09:43A couple of months went by, and we were worried all the time about whoever it was trying to begin,
09:50building another bomb, because the bomber said in this original extortion letter
09:55they had the ways and means to do it again.
10:01It was everywhere that the FBI was conducting this huge investigation.
10:05And in the middle of all that, Big John decided he's going to build another bomb.
10:11But this time, it's going to be remote control and drive itself in.
10:17So one night, I go to sleep.
10:21And in that time, he found my keys, stole my truck, drove back up to the Helms Project,
10:30to the same locker, and stole another thousand pounds of dynamite.
10:36I wake up in the morning, and he's pulling in, and my truck is popping a wheelie.
10:40It's so full of dynamite in the back.
10:42And I went crazy.
10:43I went nuts.
10:44How the F can you use my truck to go steal dynamite?
10:47I mean, now I'm thinking I'm screwed.
10:55You know, there was a hundred agents involved in this investigation.
10:59And Big John really thought, in his mind, he wasn't going to get caught.
11:05He was invincible.
11:18The owner of a hotel in South Lake Tahoe called our hotline
11:23and said that she had rented a room the night of the 25th to three men who arrived in a
11:32white van
11:33and stayed one night.
11:37And she thought it was suspicious because she'd read in the newspaper that we were looking for a white van.
11:42So, some agents went out there, interviewed her, got that license plate.
11:51The license plate led us to John Burgess, senior.
11:58When the agents arrived at his house, they asked about the white van.
12:06If they hadn't written that license plate down, they might have never connected this to Big John's.
12:13But now that they've found us, there's no way they're not going to be able to put all this together.
12:18It's just too much.
12:22And so we selected John Burgess, senior to get the full treatment.
12:27And that meant that myself and another agent would visit him every single day.
12:34And I'd get varying responses.
12:37Sometimes he'd open the door and say, come in.
12:40Sometimes he'd be so angry and yelling and screaming at us.
12:44It just, you had no idea which senior you were going to get that day.
12:49He never refused to answer the door.
12:53On one occasion, I took a picture of the bomb itself.
12:57He told us that whoever built that sure knew what they were doing.
13:01We'd laugh and I'd say stuff like, well, if you were going to make any changes, what would you have
13:06done?
13:07Oh, he'd look at the picture and I don't think I'd change a thing.
13:10This just looks perfect.
13:12And he was just letting them know in his arrogant way that I built it.
13:16Now catch me.
13:21Since he was under investigation, he didn't feel comfortable storing the dynamite at our house.
13:27Go figure.
13:29So he decided he needed to move the dynamite.
13:37So he went out to this creek bed, full sand.
13:45And buried all this dynamite.
13:51Then the Fresno guys conducted extensive background.
13:55We learned that he had a landscape company.
13:57Certainly had experience with timers and electrical systems.
14:03He did owe Harvey's money over $100,000.
14:08His restaurant had suspiciously burned down one night.
14:14Nothing that we could use in a case, but certainly helped us realize we're getting closer and closer to this
14:20guy.
14:25And so he was trying to figure out how to build this new bomb.
14:29All while he's under the microscope of the FBI.
14:39John Sr. was holding fast.
14:42I mean, he was not giving an inch.
14:44He wasn't admitting that he had anything to do with the bombing.
14:47I think it appealed to his ego to be talking to them about it.
14:50But nobody was admitting that anything wrong had been done.
14:54So we were trying to think of a way to put pressure on him.
14:58And when we asked about the white van, John Burgess Sr. immediately pointed to his son, John Jr., and said,
15:07That's his truck. I don't drive it. That's his.
15:14Then I came home to a business card tucked in my front door.
15:18It was from the FBI.
15:20I felt the walls closing in on me, and I began to panic.
15:24I suddenly envisioned myself behind the bars of the county jail.
15:28I made a call to Big John.
15:30These guys are here. Why?
15:32And he just said, you know, come to the house.
15:34We'll make up a story why your van was up in the Tahoe area.
15:39That's when Big John started to outline this plan.
15:44After a couple of hours, the story was in place.
15:47I was skeptical, but what choice did I have?
15:51The next day after work, agents knocked on my door.
15:55When we showed up at Junior's house, on the coffee table, he had all kinds of dope.
16:01He had marijuana laying around.
16:03My brother, at that time, was a marijuana dealer, and he sold a lot of marijuana.
16:09And he's scrambling, trying to get rid of that, and the agent says,
16:13John, we're not here to talk to you about marijuana.
16:16We could care less.
16:18We want to talk to you about your trip up to Lake Tahoe.
16:23Both agents looked at me.
16:24I could feel my skin begin to crawl.
16:27I just kept telling myself, stick to the story, and everything will be all right.
16:34I told them I happened to be in the Placerville area, scouting out potential places to grow marijuana.
16:40I had left my radio on, and my battery went dead.
16:46I then hitched back to Fresno, coming back two days later to get my van.
16:57Apparently, someone must have used it during that time, returning it back to the mountain
17:01when they were through with it.
17:10After he told me that story, I pointed out, you don't drive to an area 6,000, 7,000 feet
17:17and elevation, to grow marijuana.
17:20That's crazy.
17:21But he wouldn't back away from that story.
17:24We knew he was lying about why he was in South Lake Tahoe.
17:27And everybody thought that if they put sufficient pressure on him,
17:31somebody would crack and some information would come out that would advance the case.
17:41They would follow us all around, go everywhere, everywhere we stopped in a vehicle,
17:45and not being discreet about it.
17:48They wanted us to know they were there.
17:54The feds put a pen register on my home phone,
17:56so everyone who called me or called from my house would get a visit from the feds
17:59whether they knew me or not.
18:02Then they upped the reward to half a million dollars.
18:06Now that made a difference with a lot of people.
18:10The feds had convinced everyone around me that I was guilty.
18:14A lot of them tried to get me to talk about the extortion
18:17because they were trying to get a piece of the reward.
18:21They had also began to put more pressure on Kelly.
18:24We were in love, but this whole thing was tearing us apart.
18:27I came out of my apartment, and there was the black car,
18:31kind of parked down a little ways, so they were a little more inconspicuous,
18:34but you could tell two suits were inside,
18:37and that scared me.
18:41But I just didn't say anything.
18:47Rain, sleet, snow, every single day.
18:50I knocked on John Sr.'s door.
18:55And this went on for months and months under the microscope from the FBI,
18:59and I was not even able to live my life at that point.
19:05I mean, they were living three feet behind me.
19:09It was terrifying.
19:11They would park outside of our home.
19:13They would look over fences.
19:15I was like, this is too crazy for me.
19:18I was not going to jail.
19:20We decided the best thing to do would be to step away from each other
19:23until the whole thing blew over.
19:29They had taken Kelly away from me.
19:31They were turning my friends against me.
19:37This entire time, my father seemed oblivious to the fact
19:40or maybe he didn't care that I was the one being harassed.
19:45What I didn't know was that the same agents had called on Big John
19:48because the van was registered to him,
19:50and he was the one who sent them to me.
19:55It didn't bother him to put my head on the chopping block.
19:58That fact is one I wish I could forgive.
20:09Everyone, I think, was frustrated.
20:11I know that I was, just thinking,
20:13maybe we're never going to solve this thing.
20:15As we were coming up on a year anniversary
20:18of the Harvey's bombing,
20:20there were indications that John was planning a revenge attack.
20:27John, he was trying to figure out how to build his new vault,
20:29but he didn't have any money.
20:31So to earn money, he did a job for my aunt and uncle,
20:36built a big automated machine, Drow, for their pigs.
20:40And apparently the door didn't open the right way,
20:42so they wouldn't pay him.
20:44So he thought, okay, I'll show you.
20:47And he was counting on that money to build his new vault.
20:52In retaliation, Big John took about 50 pounds of leftover dynamite
20:57and blew up the bridge on the only paved road to the ranch.
21:06Big John really thought it was impossible for him to get caught
21:11because he was smarter than everybody else.
21:15That explosion showed us that Big John had an ego the size of Texas.
21:23So we went to this turkey ranch,
21:25and we asked to see the construction points.
21:29Realized it was the same identical technology, if you will,
21:35as to what was in the bomb.
21:38But we still needed witnesses.
21:44The FBI had come to me.
21:46They were threatening that if I didn't say what I knew,
21:50that they'd make sure I pay for it.
21:53And they said, if you don't tell us, you are an accomplice,
21:55and you're going to go to prison.
21:59They knew enough to know we were involved.
22:03They still did not have enough to issue an arrest.
22:07Remember, this time I was 16 years old.
22:10I was a child, and it was very scary.
22:16So then I called John Jr., and I said,
22:18look, I can't keep it in it much longer
22:22because they're really after me.
22:25And I didn't do this,
22:27so it's putting me in a precarious place.
22:29I didn't want to be in that place.
22:33I felt the walls closing in on me, and I began to panic.
22:37And I think that he'd had enough at that point.
22:41So John Jr. told me,
22:42you tell him whatever in the F you want to tell him.
22:46I had kept it secret up until I didn't.
23:01Okay, now that we knew John Jr. was lying,
23:04but to prove the fact that their dad's the mastermind,
23:07dad's the moving force,
23:08and that he directed and managed everything,
23:11we needed the boys.
23:14And so we called John Jr.
23:18to testify in front of a grand jury story
23:21about coming up to Reno to scout out the marijuana for him.
23:25And the grand juries do not like to be lied to.
23:29They put together enough information
23:31to prove that I had perjured myself.
23:34And in August of 81,
23:36they came to my house and arrested me.
23:41So at the same time,
23:42they wanted me down to the federal building
23:43for an interview,
23:46which I did.
23:49The whole idea of this was to scare these two enough
23:52that one or both of them would start talking.
23:56And it was a Hail Mary.
23:57If we had indicted John Jr.,
23:59and he just held fast and wouldn't collapse,
24:02we wouldn't have had anybody else.
24:04And once they knew that that was the shot
24:06that we had taken and missed,
24:08I figured we'd never see Big John again.
24:10In one office,
24:12there was myself and Jr.,
24:14and then just down the hall a little bit
24:17were agents and Jimmy Burgess.
24:19So we were talking to them separately.
24:22I'm being interviewed.
24:23The FBI agent, Bill O'Reilly,
24:25says, we've arrested your brother.
24:27You know, it's time to mess up
24:29and tell us what you know.
24:32With Johnny, we said,
24:34okay, you need to tell us about your dad
24:36and how he built this bomb.
24:37And, you know, he really wasn't too scared.
24:40But when we started to explain to him
24:42the federal consequences of his action,
24:45he really got concerned.
24:48And Bill O'Reilly, he says,
24:50we're in the boat here,
24:51and you're on the dock,
24:52and we're pulling away from the dock.
24:53You got to jump on board.
24:55Or you're going to be left.
24:57One of the agents pointed out
25:00that he would be a pretty young guy
25:02in a big man's institution.
25:04And I'm just, you know,
25:05I didn't know what to do.
25:07And about half hour in an interview,
25:10he says,
25:11your brother is giving us information.
25:13And I told him,
25:14no way, you're full of crap.
25:16He said, son,
25:16there comes a point in your life
25:18that you've got to believe somebody.
25:20And, you know,
25:21it's time,
25:21you've got to believe me.
25:23And I said, I can't.
25:24Jim and Johnny came from a man
25:26who, there's no trust in this,
25:28so could they really believe
25:30that the FBI agent
25:32was telling the truth?
25:34Big John was circling the federal building
25:36because I was nowhere to be found
25:37and my brother was nowhere to be found.
25:39You know, he thinks something's going on.
25:42They were asking me to turn against my father.
25:47I was 19.
25:48It was just all mixed feelings
25:51and mixed turmoil on how to feel.
25:55He was wanted by the FBI for a year.
25:57He wondered every day,
25:58am I going to spend the rest of my life in jail?
26:02I'm about to break down.
26:03I said, I just can't.
26:04I just can't.
26:05I got to know something.
26:06You got to tell me something.
26:09He thought about it
26:10and then he told me something
26:11that no way anybody wouldn't know.
26:14No way.
26:25And it had to have came from my brother.
26:36I gave a statement to the FBI.
26:39The statement was 17 pages long.
26:45Johnny was intermittently crying
26:48and I mean, he's talking about his dad, for God's sake.
26:54I believe what he told me.
26:57It felt like
27:00a pallet of bricks had been lifted off me
27:02and I just broke down.
27:05Grabbed me, put me in his arms.
27:07He said, it's okay.
27:08And he's crying.
27:09I'm crying.
27:10And then he goes,
27:12well, we realize you're not involved that much,
27:15but you could tell us what we know
27:16and help us out.
27:18And so when I started in with the story
27:19and his eyes got really big
27:21and you go, holy shit.
27:23Once he started talking,
27:25you couldn't shut him up.
27:27The boys had told us
27:28about some additional dynamite being stolen.
27:33Started digging
27:34and sure enough,
27:35here come boxes and boxes
27:37and boxes of dynamite.
27:42So he had big plans.
27:48Well, in a day,
27:49we got an arrest warrant for Big John.
27:53We had enough to put him in handcuffs
27:55and put him in jail.
28:08Today, the FBI announced the arrest
28:10of five persons
28:11in connection with the Harvey's bomb plot.
28:1459-year-old John Burgess
28:16was named as the mastermind.
28:17Ella Joan Williams,
28:19a Fresno County probation officer,
28:20is accused of typing
28:21the three-page extortion letter.
28:23Two other men were also arrested.
28:25The only official response
28:27from Harvey's today
28:28was this press release.
28:29Management said
28:30that they were elated
28:30by the arrest of the suspects
28:32in the bombing case.
28:33Once we found out
28:35John Burgess was arrested,
28:36it was a relief to the family.
28:38They put that bomb
28:40in the building with people,
28:41with guests,
28:42with employees.
28:44What were you hoping?
28:46That he would get life in prison.
28:55The first trials to take place
28:57were in federal court in Reno.
29:00After a motion to ban cameras
29:02from the courtroom was denied,
29:03James Burgess,
29:04the son of the alleged mastermind,
29:06took the stand.
29:07My father said he lost
29:08a budget-money gallon.
29:10He didn't have any money.
29:11He was going to get a million dollars
29:13to your Harvey.
29:14The bomb.
29:16For a week or so,
29:17we present all of our evidence,
29:19FBI agents, witnesses,
29:22and we rest
29:23and now it's John's turn
29:24and Big John takes the stand.
29:26And I was friendly
29:27with the attorney at the time,
29:28so I know this.
29:30John never told him
29:31what his defense was going to be.
29:46The questions over here
29:47is not I made the bomb.
29:49I made the bomb,
29:50I don't deny it.
29:52The reason I made the bomb,
29:53I deny it.
29:55I fall for a setup.
29:58You see,
29:59Mr. Harvey Gross
29:59knew me very well.
30:01I was such a high roller
30:02that Harvey want me on the ranch.
30:04And I had about
30:05six or seven meetings with him.
30:08He told me that his intention
30:10is to build a 20-story,
30:11540-room hotel
30:12and five-story garage.
30:15But he was frustrated.
30:17He was fighting
30:18the regional planning agency.
30:20And he couldn't build
30:21his dream hotel.
30:23My idea was to completely
30:25bring down the sage room,
30:26bring down the casino,
30:28and build a new one
30:31so that nobody could stop him.
30:35Did they have a pretty large policy?
30:38They had a very large policy.
30:42There was never any question
30:43of amounts or coverage
30:44or adjusting at all.
30:47Paul, specifically,
30:48George Hoppenstead,
30:49the adjuster,
30:50who watched the explosion,
30:51came back the next day
30:53with a check for three-quarters
30:55of a million dollars
30:56to Harvey's
30:56and gave it
30:57to their chief financial officer
30:58and said,
30:59just keep sending the bills
31:00and we'll keep paying.
31:05In a wacko television universe,
31:07could Harvey gain
31:08from an insurance scam
31:09like that?
31:10Absolutely.
31:11But there was nothing
31:12to indicate
31:13that he would do
31:14that kind of thing.
31:15It was all just preposterous.
31:18Something that a jailhouse crook
31:21is going to say
31:22to try to get some attention.
31:24We knew what happened.
31:27Unfortunately,
31:2720 years at the top end
31:29for extortion,
31:30that's what we went after,
31:30that's what we got.
31:32But many people felt
31:34that that wasn't sufficient.
31:44Meanwhile,
31:45Douglas County District Attorney
31:46Mike Rowe says
31:47he fully intends
31:48to go ahead
31:48with his own prosecution
31:50of the accused bombers.
31:51I feel that this
31:52is a heinous crime
31:53and it should go punished
31:54by more than
31:56a simple 20 years.
31:57The Douglas DA
31:58said he would not be bound
31:59by any deals
32:00federal prosecutors
32:01might strike
32:01with the defendants.
32:04These guys
32:05had done serious damage
32:06to one of the principal
32:07industries in the county.
32:09We felt that
32:10they needed to be brought
32:11to justice for that.
32:13I was in Ed Cain's office
32:15when that phone call
32:16came to the U.S. attorney.
32:20We wanted to prosecute the boys.
32:22They admitted
32:24to being participants
32:25in this venture.
32:28That's life in prison there
32:29and we have no bargaining chip.
32:32But I thought
32:33that the boys were entitled
32:34to some consideration
32:35for their cooperation.
32:37Those boys went through hell
32:38to testify as they did
32:40against their father.
32:41I didn't want to see
32:44them do any time.
32:46Mr. Cain goes,
32:47well, if you're going
32:48to charge them,
32:49we're not going to cooperate
32:50whatsoever.
32:52And the FBI said,
32:53well, you're not going to
32:54get any cooperation from us.
32:57The phone call was over.
32:59I went to bat for them
33:01the same as I did
33:02with the federal judge
33:03and told them that
33:04the boys were the absolute
33:05linchpin of this case.
33:07That without them,
33:08we didn't have a case.
33:11Ed Cain goes,
33:12don't worry,
33:12he'll be calling back shortly.
33:16So they called back
33:17and they, you know,
33:19promised immunity for us
33:20if they turn over the evidence
33:22and help in the state prosecution.
33:26I definitely had sympathy
33:27for both boys.
33:29They just didn't have
33:30much of an upbringing
33:30or a very good upbringing.
33:31And they had this tyrant
33:34for a father.
33:37Those men are probably
33:39the biggest example
33:40of a father figure
33:42that Jim had ever seen.
33:44That's the closest thing
33:45to a dad he had.
33:56It's been about 40 years.
33:58This is where the state
33:59trial took place.
34:06Since my dad was
34:07acting as his own attorney
34:09with no chance
34:11of any acquittal,
34:12his only thing
34:13he wanted to accomplish
34:14was his attack,
34:16his kids,
34:17blaming us for
34:18him getting caught.
34:20So that basically
34:21turned into
34:22two days of torture.
34:26Mr. Burgess,
34:28you've made statements
34:29to the FBI
34:29and testified
34:30in the trial
34:31that you acted
34:33out of fear.
34:35Yes.
34:36Could you explain
34:37why did you have
34:38fear from me?
34:40Probably from
34:41our childhood.
34:44You know,
34:44in those days
34:45I was so desperate
34:46to actually
34:47be acknowledged
34:50as a son,
34:53loved or cared for
34:54by your father.
34:58Do I come home
35:00drunk
35:00and beat you up?
35:03You beat us up,
35:05splitting my lip in half.
35:08You beat the shit
35:09out of me
35:09with a coat hanger
35:11until I was bleeding.
35:15Do you remember?
35:19I do remember,
35:20Mr. Burgess.
35:29Now,
35:29did you leave the house
35:30and move out one time?
35:34Yes.
35:36But you did
35:36move back in.
35:40If you had such fear,
35:42why did you want
35:43to come back again?
35:48Because I still loved you.
35:51You still do,
35:52Mr. Burgess?
35:55Yes.
35:59It's a twisted form
36:00of love.
36:02I'm trying to please him
36:03by going along
36:04with this.
36:05I'm trying to
36:07get his affirmation
36:08by
36:11potentially killing people.
36:14Everybody was a victim
36:15of one guy,
36:17my dad.
36:19It pains me
36:20to even use that
36:21in reference to him.
36:23It really does,
36:24because he wasn't that.
36:35I think that
36:36once everything happened
36:37and Big John
36:38went to prison,
36:40Jim and Johnny
36:41took very different paths.
36:44They just never
36:45could put that
36:45back together.
36:46It was just
36:47reminders of
36:47what had happened.
36:50My brother was
36:53just a tormented soul.
36:55Tormented.
36:58But I did think
36:59when he was down
37:00in Nicaragua
37:00and in the surf
37:02community there
37:03that he had
37:04found peace.
37:12When my brother died,
37:14it didn't surprise me
37:16that ultimately
37:16the drugs and alcohol
37:17were his demise.
37:18what surprised me
37:20is he committed suicide.
37:23I think he got a copy
37:25of my mother's
37:27autopsy report
37:28and it's compelling.
37:30I mean,
37:30it really does indicate
37:31that, you know,
37:33my father murdered her
37:34versus the
37:35accidental suicide.
37:37And he just,
37:38he just couldn't handle it.
37:42that's my assumption
37:44that that was
37:46the final blow
37:47that did it.
37:50Well,
37:51people mask their pain
37:53in different ways.
37:55My brother
37:55turned to drugs
37:56and alcohol
37:57and I chose
37:59to be a
38:01horrific codependent.
38:04And as far
38:06as I'm concerned,
38:06that's just as bad
38:07as putting a needle
38:07in your arm
38:08with heroin.
38:09And it just
38:09is destructive.
38:11I never saw Jimmy
38:12really grieving much
38:13when his brother
38:14passed away.
38:15I mean,
38:15you could tell
38:16he was sad.
38:16You could tell
38:16it bothered him.
38:17It was, you know,
38:18the last part
38:19of his family.
38:23I wish
38:25I could have
38:26done more
38:28to have a brother
38:30relationship.
38:32I never had that
38:33with him.
38:36If Johnny
38:37was alive today,
38:39I believe that
38:40Jim's heart
38:40has softened enough
38:41that would have
38:42a different outcome.
38:44Because he,
38:45Jim was starting
38:46to get to a place
38:48of some sort
38:49of healing.
38:51Even though I'm sad,
38:53you know,
38:53he's not,
38:55he's not in torture
38:56anymore.
39:06You know,
39:07I think that
39:07little John
39:08never had
39:09that second family
39:10like Jimmy does.
39:13You know,
39:13my dad was
39:13non-existent.
39:15So,
39:16I spent a lot
39:17of time
39:17with the Wilson
39:17family.
39:20And his mom
39:20and his dad,
39:21Bob Wilson's mom
39:22and dad,
39:22took me in
39:23as their own.
39:26Jim and I,
39:27like I said,
39:28we're like brothers.
39:29You know,
39:30I owe a lot
39:30to Bobby
39:31and his parents
39:32and,
39:33you know,
39:33to this day.
39:35Jim's at a place
39:36where his friends
39:37are now saying,
39:38he's coming out
39:39on the other
39:39side of this.
39:41He is opening
39:42up a little bit more.
39:45This was
39:46a piece of the bomb.
39:47I don't know
39:47if you've ever
39:48seen that or not.
39:49Wow.
39:50She looked like
39:51it got twisted up.
39:52Well,
39:52you probably saw
39:53it when it was flat.
39:54I did.
39:55I did.
39:55Yeah.
39:56You'd be hard-pressed
39:57to find any time
39:58that I was treated
39:59with the dignity
40:00and respect
40:00that the FBI
40:01and the U.S.
40:02Attorney's Office
40:02treated me
40:04and the honesty
40:05and integrity
40:06that they showed
40:07and had.
40:10In doing that,
40:11it instilled
40:11my belief
40:13that there were
40:13still good people
40:14out there.
40:16And so,
40:17we were able
40:17to keep you out
40:18and free
40:20and give you
40:20a good start
40:21in life
40:22and that's
40:23what we wanted
40:23to do.
40:24That was the start
40:25of a whole new journey.
40:27Yeah.
40:27Yeah, so.
40:30I'm so happy
40:31with Jim's progression
40:32because I actually
40:33see him loving himself now.
40:34I think that
40:35Jim feeling
40:37finally safe
40:38for the first time
40:38in his life
40:39has allowed him
40:41to tell his story
40:43and stop
40:44holding things back.
40:47people are always
40:48in fear
40:49that you're going
40:49to be your father
40:51and behave
40:52that same way.
40:53But I,
40:54it gave me
40:55a good benchmark
40:56of what not
40:57to do
40:57with my own children.
40:58So.
41:01Well, I already
41:02got the cheese
41:02on there.
41:03I'll make the whole
41:04sandwich
41:04before you finish
41:05your cheese.
41:05Listen.
41:08It was the complete
41:09officer with my kids.
41:12This is all through that.
41:13And you see,
41:13there's a picture
41:14of me and my brother.
41:15You look so different.
41:17No, I don't.
41:18Yes, you do.
41:19You have a, like,
41:20you have the tiny little mustache.
41:21That's just the style
41:22bathroom.
41:24And, you know,
41:26I just never had
41:27moments like that
41:27with, with my dad.
41:30So I tried to be,
41:31tried to be a,
41:32a good father
41:33and be the person
41:35he wasn't.
41:37Just, it just,
41:38it gives me a purpose.
41:41Really ashamed
41:42that that's all we got.
41:44But,
41:46that's it.
41:46We could start new pages.
41:47There we go.
41:48We can add to these.
42:03Yeah, this is all
42:04the new building
42:05that, uh,
42:06was a big part
42:07of my dad's defense
42:09in the state trial
42:10that Harvey
42:11was going to forgive
42:12his gambling debts
42:13in exchange
42:14to blow up the casino
42:15so he could build
42:16a new wing
42:16and, as preposterous
42:18as it sounds,
42:19kind of does make sense.
42:21The total loss
42:23turned out to be
42:23somewhere in the
42:24neighborhood of 20 million.
42:25If it was today,
42:27it would be probably
42:27150 million or more.
42:29So,
42:30when all was said and done,
42:31they were delighted.
42:35Harvey's has reopened.
42:36Their owner,
42:37Harvey Gross,
42:38cut the ribbon
42:38formally opening
42:39the new Harvey's,
42:40the newly sleek,
42:41sophisticated casino hotel.
42:43And I know
42:44I'm going to do everything
42:45within my power
42:46to help them pay for it.
42:50I actually got married
42:52there in 1989,
42:54which is the weirdest
42:55thing in the world.
42:56You got married at Harvey's.
42:57I got married at Harvey's.
42:59Yes, I did.
43:00It was beautiful.
43:01It was the best wedding chapel
43:02in all of Lake Tahoe.
43:05Due to the remodel.
43:061800
43:08Sunday
43:12dth
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